Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
These will work http://jalopnik.com/watch-what-happens-when-you-use-iphones-as-brake-pads-1723214018 --R On 8/10/15 10:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: It is not the pads that need the breakin. It is the rotors. proper breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to the rotor. hink the ceramic pads come already "set" by a baking process, read that over the weekend on one of the makers websites. Not sure if Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I installed them a few years ago. Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
It is not the pads that need the breakin. It is the rotors. proper breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to the rotor. hink the ceramic pads come already "set" by a baking process, read that over the weekend on one of the makers websites. Not sure if Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I installed them a few years ago. Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Yep, Akebono on two sedans and a TD. Love them! Manfred Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:21:11 -0400 From: Jon Agne Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123? Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
I think the ceramic pads come already "set" by a baking process, read that over the weekend on one of the makers websites. Not sure if Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I installed them a few years ago. Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Are the organic pads still using asbestos?! Sent from my iPhone > Not for 30-40 years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Apparently it still is to some extent. I'd expect it probably in the cheapest pads. I'm surprised it hasn't been banned... IIRC I've seen the boxes pads come in marked asbestos free. -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dimitri Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads Are the organic pads still using asbestos?! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > >> I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put >> Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than >> a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They >> stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The >> last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the >> price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me. >> -Curt >> From: Max Dillon via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Max Dillon >> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads >> Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just ordered >>a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set >>with free shipping on Amazon. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD >> '95 E300 > > > Curt brings up a good point. The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely > they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors. > > I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads. it is easy > to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors. > > Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to > not warp your rotors. > > The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little > over 100k. Mucho dinero$$$ > > I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the "organic" or asbestos > pads. > > I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant > factor. I see several DISadvantages to ceramic. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Correction, the squealing pads were conventional Car Quest "red" which were supposed to be their better pads...I didn't notice any lower rotor life using ceramic, here the rotors lots of times rot out from rust put there with road salt... -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads >I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also >put Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they >are.Other than a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific >about them. They stopped good but they didn't seem to last any >better than anything else. The last time I changed the pads on the >190D I put Pagid which were half the price though still twice the >price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me. >-Curt > From: Max Dillon via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List >Cc: Max Dillon > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads > >Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just >ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 >for the front set with free shipping on Amazon. >-- >Max Dillon >Charleston SC >'87 300TD >'95 E300 Curt brings up a good point. The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors. I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads. it is easy to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors. Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to not warp your rotors. The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little over 100k. Mucho dinero$$$ I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the "organic" or asbestos pads. I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant factor. I see several DISadvantages to ceramic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Are the organic pads still using asbestos?! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > >> I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put >> Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than >> a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They >> stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The >> last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the >> price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me. >> -Curt >> From: Max Dillon via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Max Dillon >> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads >> Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just ordered >> a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set >> with free shipping on Amazon. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD >> '95 E300 > > > Curt brings up a good point. The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely > they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors. > > I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads. it is easy > to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors. > > Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to > not warp your rotors. > > The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little > over 100k. Mucho dinero$$$ > > I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the "organic" or asbestos > pads. > > I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant > factor. I see several DISadvantages to ceramic. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Max Dillon Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set with free shipping on Amazon. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Curt brings up a good point. The harder the pads (ceramic) the more likely they are to squeal, AND the more they wear your rotors. I can get 200 to 300k out of rotors with the cheap (dusty) pads. it is easy to change pads and cheap, it is harder and expensive to change rotors. Ceramic pads DO have to be broken in properly to work properly and also to not warp your rotors. The ceramic pads of the dogde and the rotors needed to be changed at a little over 100k. Mucho dinero$$$ I've never had to buy rotors for my Mercedes with the "organic" or asbestos pads. I see no advantage, unless you have a show car and the dust is a significant factor. I see several DISadvantages to ceramic. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
I did them on a 201, some kind of random brand Rusty sent me. I also put Akebonos on my Ranger after everybody told me how great they are.Other than a lack of brake dust I never saw anything so terrific about them. They stopped good but they didn't seem to last any better than anything else. The last time I changed the pads on the 190D I put Pagid which were half the price though still twice the price of the squeeky pads Car Quest sold me. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Max Dillon Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set with free shipping on Amazon. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 10, 2015 1:21:11 PM EDT, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: >Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123? > >Jon > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Not a 123, but a 124 and an Infiniti. Superior in every way. Just ordered a set for my 124 wagon to replace the OEM pads, about $45 for the front set with free shipping on Amazon. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 10, 2015 1:21:11 PM EDT, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: >Anyone using ceramic pads on a W123? > >Jon > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
Wagner top of line Ceramic pads made by whom? I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good fronts... Rusty sold me some other brand (Wagner maybe?) for the fronts on my 190D when Akebonos weren't available. They've been great. Car Quest seems to have failed me on the rears. I may grease them again and see if it makes a difference, if not I'll be looking for something else. They only squeak when they're hot and just before the car comes to a stop, like when creeping along in heavy traffic... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
I have had ATE ceramics on my TE for a few months now and no dramas, except for a bit of squeal when reversing down the drive. Also getting a bit of slow braking ABS pulsing but not sure if the pads are to blame for that. It's getting close to needing to do a few jobs on the S124, so will investigate. Hendrik who has cleaner wheels now On 31/08/13 02:33, Dieselhead wrote: I got my first set if Akebono ceramic pads from Gary a couple of months ago. I have yet to need to clean my wheels, and they stop great. Wish I had done these a long time ago. I broke down and decided to try ceramic pads in the van about a year and a half ago. Nothing in the box about a required breakin procedure, and long before the breakin procedure discussion started here. The ceramic pads sometimes work fine and sometimes grab and jerk worse than anything. Brake pressure does not seem to be related. The brakes may be fine, or may be jerky on soft, moderate or hard braking. Very disappointing. Sometimes the jerking is so bad the front tire comes off the ground and it feels like something in the front end could break. Let up and hit the brake again, and it may be smooth, less jerky or bad. very disappointing performance. I am not sure if new rotors, and this breakin procedure would perform correctly or not. I don't think that if I spent the money for rotors that i'd want to spend the $$$ for ceramic pads again. What I do know is that the cheap pads from flaps are very good for normal use. They are dusty, but no jumping, and no ruining rotors. I am not impressed so far with ceramic pads. -1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
Put decent pads on there, usually fixes weird stuff. Also make sure the axle seals are good -- differential lube on the brake pads does all sorts of nasty things. So does leaking brake fluid. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
Thanks Rick, It occurs to me that all the rear brake work on that truck has been done at a shop and they've probably put in whatever cheap Chinese thing they would for any other schmuck. It'll be good for a couple months and then get grabby. Last time the friction material came loose from the shoe. Its way worse when they're wet... -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:14:37 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good fronts... Curt, I put Wearever Gold (Advance Auto premium) shoes on my Ranger and they work great. My brakes were really grabby (nearly un-drivable in snow) and the problem I discovered after I changed the brake shoes was the emergency brake cables were worn and rusted and would not fully release. It stops WAY better now. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes > SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good > fronts... Curt, I put Wearever Gold (Advance Auto premium) shoes on my Ranger and they work great. My brakes were really grabby (nearly un-drivable in snow) and the problem I discovered after I changed the brake shoes was the emergency brake cables were worn and rusted and would not fully release. It stops WAY better now. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads
Ceramic pads made by whom? I put Akebono on the Ranger and they've been great. The Ranger rear brakes SUCK, when they're wet they're very grabby so its nice to have very good fronts... Rusty sold me some other brand (Wagner maybe?) for the fronts on my 190D when Akebonos weren't available. They've been great. Car Quest seems to have failed me on the rears. I may grease them again and see if it makes a difference, if not I'll be looking for something else. They only squeak when they're hot and just before the car comes to a stop, like when creeping along in heavy traffic... -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:03:35 -0500 From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] ceramic Brake pads Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I got my first set if Akebono ceramic pads from Gary a couple of >months ago. I have yet to need to clean my wheels, and they stop >great. > >Wish I had done these a long time ago. I broke down and decided to try ceramic pads in the van about a year and a half ago. Nothing in the box about a required breakin procedure, and long before the breakin procedure discussion started here. The ceramic pads sometimes work fine and sometimes grab and jerk worse than anything. Brake pressure does not seem to be related. The brakes may be fine, or may be jerky on soft, moderate or hard braking. Very disappointing. Sometimes the jerking is so bad the front tire comes off the ground and it feels like something in the front end could break. Let up and hit the brake again, and it may be smooth, less jerky or bad. very disappointing performance. I am not sure if new rotors, and this breakin procedure would perform correctly or not. I don't think that if I spent the money for rotors that i'd want to spend the $$$ for ceramic pads again. What I do know is that the cheap pads from flaps are very good for normal use. They are dusty, but no jumping, and no ruining rotors. I am not impressed so far with ceramic pads. -1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
> Curt wrote: > > I don't think its that important, I didn't do it on either my > Ranger or 190D and both have been just fine. It is. You might get lucky - but the only way to be sure to avoid problems is to bed the pads. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
I don't think its that important, I didn't do it on either my Ranger or 190D and both have been just fine. -Curt Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:27:55 -0400 From: Dan Penoff To: Okie Benz Subject: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm going to do my due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from the list regarding "bedding in" if necessary and any other things related to their use and operation. TIA. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
Thanks for the link. I recall reading this guy's write up a few years back when trying to remember the proper procedure for bedding pads. Good stuff. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Fmiser wrote: >> Dan wrote: >> >> Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm >> going to do my due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from >> the list regarding "bedding in" if necessary and any other things >> related to their use and operation. > > As I understand, bedding the pads is necessary with all materials. > > Here is the best article I've found on the chemistry, metallurgy, and physics > involved. > > http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths > > "Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not > properly broken in, material transfer between the two materials > can take place in a random fashion - resulting is uneven > deposits and vibration under braking." > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
> Dan wrote: > > Going to install my first set of ceramic pads this weekend. I'm > going to do my due diligence, but I am interested in hearing from > the list regarding "bedding in" if necessary and any other things > related to their use and operation. As I understand, bedding the pads is necessary with all materials. Here is the best article I've found on the chemistry, metallurgy, and physics involved. http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths "Regardless of pad composition, if both disc and pad are not properly broken in, material transfer between the two materials can take place in a random fashion - resulting is uneven deposits and vibration under braking." -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
