Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Perhaps with the caliper still in/near the car, the brake line is still
attached, thus blocking that hole and allowing the bleeder hole connection
to build the pressure.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I mean, if you're pumping grease into the bleed fitting, don't you need
> to have the hydraulic line fitting blocked also? Otherwise I'd think the
> grease/fluid will take the path of least resistance and come out there
> rather than pushing out the piston.
>
> Allan
>
> Curt Raymond  writes:
>
> > Shouldn't have to. Assuming the caliper is full of fluid you'd be
> > introducing a fairly small amount of grease.
> >
> > A year or two ago I used the grease gun to pop a dent out of a Coleman
> > lantern fount. I filled the fount with ATF first. I found there was a
> > little grease in the adapter I made but none in the fount itself.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:02:46 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Larry Turner via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Hey Curley,
> >> I had a similar problem. I read somewhere I could hook up a chassis
> >> grease pump thingie into the bleed valve hole. I found it screwed in
> >> easily and a few pumps of the grease pump handle and the puck slowly
> >> walked out. I had to clean the small amount of grease that remained
> >> but it was less trouble than I thought it would be.
> >>
> >> Hydraulic action is a powerful force!
> >>
> >> Let me know how this works for you, I used it on 2 or 3 calipers.
> >>
> >> Stay Safe,
> >> LarryT
> >> 06 E350
> >>
> >> On 2/14/2020 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can
> >>> be rebuilt? I have 3 of them that need to be freed up. I've tried
> >>> soaking in solvent and mechanical. I can get the pucks to turn a
> >>> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
> >>>
> >>> Vinegar soak?
> >>> coca cola soak?
> >>> sulferic acid soak?
> >>>
> >>> Anyone BTDT?
> >>>
> >>> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.
> >>>
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I mean, if you're pumping grease into the bleed fitting, don't you need
to have the hydraulic line fitting blocked also? Otherwise I'd think the
grease/fluid will take the path of least resistance and come out there
rather than pushing out the piston.

Allan

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Shouldn't have to. Assuming the caliper is full of fluid you'd be
> introducing a fairly small amount of grease.
>
> A year or two ago I used the grease gun to pop a dent out of a Coleman
> lantern fount. I filled the fount with ATF first. I found there was a
> little grease in the adapter I made but none in the fount itself.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:02:46 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?
>
> Allan
>
> Larry Turner via Mercedes  writes:
>
>> Hey Curley,
>> I had a similar problem. I read somewhere I could hook up a chassis
>> grease pump thingie into the bleed valve hole. I found it screwed in
>> easily and a few pumps of the grease pump handle and the puck slowly
>> walked out. I had to clean the small amount of grease that remained
>> but it was less trouble than I thought it would be.
>>
>> Hydraulic action is a powerful force!
>>
>> Let me know how this works for you, I used it on 2 or 3 calipers.
>>
>> Stay Safe,
>> LarryT
>> 06 E350
>>
>> On 2/14/2020 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can
>>> be rebuilt? I have 3 of them that need to be freed up. I've tried
>>> soaking in solvent and mechanical. I can get the pucks to turn a
>>> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
>>>
>>> Vinegar soak?
>>> coca cola soak?
>>> sulferic acid soak?
>>>
>>> Anyone BTDT?
>>>
>>> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.
>>>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Clamp the line? Is that going to damage the 
line?
-Curt

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 2:04:07 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > > Allan wrote: 
> > I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?

> Curt wrote:

>  Shouldn't have to. 

But how will it build any pressure if the line fitting is open and
the grease gun is connected to the bleeder screw?

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > Allan wrote: 
> > I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?

> Curt wrote:

>  Shouldn't have to. 

But how will it build any pressure if the line fitting is open and
the grease gun is connected to the bleeder screw?

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Shouldn't have to. Assuming the caliper is full of fluid you'd be introducing 
a fairly small amount of grease.
A year or two ago I used the grease gun to pop a dent out of a Coleman lantern 
fount. I filled the fount with ATF first. I found there was a little grease in 
the adapter I made but none in the fount itself.
-Curt

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:02:46 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?

Allan

Larry Turner via Mercedes  writes:

> Hey Curley,
> I had a similar problem. I read somewhere I could hook up a chassis
> grease pump thingie into the bleed valve hole. I found it screwed in
> easily and a few pumps of the grease pump handle and the puck slowly
> walked out. I had to clean the small amount of grease that remained
> but it was less trouble than I thought it would be.
>
> Hydraulic action is a powerful force!
>
> Let me know how this works for you, I used it on 2 or 3 calipers.
>
> Stay Safe,
> LarryT
> 06 E350
>
> On 2/14/2020 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can
>> be rebuilt? I have 3 of them that need to be freed up. I've tried
>> soaking in solvent and mechanical. I can get the pucks to turn a
>> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
>>
>> Vinegar soak?
>> coca cola soak?
>> sulferic acid soak?
>>
>> Anyone BTDT?
>>
>> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I used to hit the hydraulic line fitting with a rubber tipped air nozzle 
after stuffing shop rags in front of the piston.

But with multi piston calipers that only gets the easiest piston out.
Sometimes I'd get the easy piston done, put it back together, put a 
clamp on it and try to blow the stuck piston out but half the time it 
would be stuck too firmly to remove with air.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I assume you also need to plug the brake line fitting?

Allan

Larry Turner via Mercedes  writes:

> Hey Curley,
> I had a similar problem. I read somewhere I could hook up a chassis
> grease pump thingie into the bleed valve hole. I found it screwed in
> easily and a few pumps of the grease pump handle and the puck slowly
> walked out. I had to clean the small amount of grease that remained
> but it was less trouble than I thought it would be.
>
> Hydraulic action is a powerful force!
>
> Let me know how this works for you, I used it on 2 or 3 calipers.
>
> Stay Safe,
> LarryT
> 06 E350
>
> On 2/14/2020 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can
>> be rebuilt? I have 3 of them that need to be freed up. I've tried
>> soaking in solvent and mechanical. I can get the pucks to turn a
>> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
>>
>> Vinegar soak?
>> coca cola soak?
>> sulferic acid soak?
>>
>> Anyone BTDT?
>>
>> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-04-09 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes

Hey Curley,
I had a similar problem.  I read somewhere I could hook up a chassis 
grease pump thingie into the bleed valve hole.   I found it screwed in 
easily and a few pumps of the grease pump handle and the puck slowly 
walked out.  I had to clean the small amount of grease that remained but 
it was less trouble than I thought it would be.


Hydraulic action is a powerful force!

Let me know how this works for you, I used it on 2 or 3 calipers.

Stay Safe,
LarryT
06 E350

On 2/14/2020 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can be 
rebuilt?   I have 3 of them  that need to be freed up.    I've tried 
soaking in solvent and mechanical.  I can get the pucks to turn a 
little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.


Vinegar soak?
coca cola soak?
sulferic acid soak?

Anyone BTDT?

A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Scott wrote:

> This (wood block) worked for me last time (stuck 126 rear
> caliper).  Compressed air didn't budge it.

Compressed air is typically less than 125 PSI.  Pretty wimpy
compared to common brake pressure of 400-500 PSI or hard braking
that can generate over 1000 PSI.  So if the piston was stuck
enough to not move with brake line pressure, it sure won't move
with typical shop compressed air.

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
This (wood block) worked for me last time (stuck 126 rear caliper).  Compressed 
air didn't budge it.

> -Original Message-
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> Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 1:34 PM
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> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers
> 
> I forgot - c-clamps to keep the pistons from coming all the way out, or even a
> loose fitting block of wood.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:25 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > that might get one side out, but how do you get the other side out.
> > I've tried 100+psi air.
> >
> > > OK Don via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> February 14,
> 2020
> > > at 12:20 PM Hook one onto a brake line, stomp on the brake pedal,
> > > the puck will shoot out.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yeah, that might just work!   Especially with the shop vac reversed to 
make a "forge blower"    I have some water oak that should be dry.



fmiser via Mercedes 
February 14, 2020 at 9:27 PM
Charcoal grill?  Especially with "natural lump" charcoal.




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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curley wrote:

> yes, that would help for sure.   Unfortunately I don't even have
> a propane torch here.  A real flame wrench would be better.

Charcoal grill?  Especially with "natural lump" charcoal.

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Put it in a pail of water and heat it on the bbq?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-02-14  8:16 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Randy 
Bennell via Mercedes  Cc: Curley McLain 
<126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers yes, that would help 
for sure.   Unfortunately I don't even have a propane torch here.  A real flame 
wrench would be better.> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> February 14, 2020 at 4:38 PM> Heat?>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yes, that would help for sure.   Unfortunately I don't even have a 
propane torch here.  A real flame wrench would be better.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 14, 2020 at 4:38 PM
Heat?

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I wish I did!  no.  I should figger out how those guys built one from a 
bottle jack.



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
February 14, 2020 at 12:59 PM
Got a diesel injector pop tester?
As much as I dislike this guy sometimes, this is a pretty decent idea. 
Hope I don't get a bill for sharing the video.


https://youtu.be/qc4zlGaJgoA

Rick



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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Heat?

RB


On 14/02/2020 12:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can be 
rebuilt?   I have 3 of them  that need to be freed up.    I've tried 
soaking in solvent and mechanical.  I can get the pucks to turn a 
little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.


Vinegar soak?
coca cola soak?
sulferic acid soak?

Anyone BTDT?

A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some day.

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Got a diesel injector pop tester?
As much as I dislike this guy sometimes, this is a pretty decent idea. Hope I 
don't get a bill for sharing the video. 

https://youtu.be/qc4zlGaJgoA

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I already bought new ones and put them on the car.   I'm trying to see 
if these can be salvaged to put on the shelf as spares.   Probably not, 
but I was able to save 1 of the 4.   It is already on the shelf, ready 
to go.



OK Don via Mercedes 
February 14, 2020 at 12:34 PM
I like Craig's idea of the grease gun best, if you can't stomach 
buying new

ones ...





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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Yes, grease gun and a C clamp, works fairly well.
Do one side, put puck back in, then do other side.
You can't have any air in the system, it's too compressible.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I like Craig's idea of the grease gun best, if you can't stomach buying new
ones ...

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:33 PM OK Don  wrote:

> I forgot - c-clamps to keep the pistons from coming all the way out, or
> even a loose fitting block of wood.
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:25 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> that might get one side out, but how do you get the other side out.
>> I've tried 100+psi air.
>>
>> > OK Don via Mercedes 
>> > February 14, 2020 at 12:20 PM
>> > Hook one onto a brake line, stomp on the brake pedal, the puck will
>> shoot
>> > out.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I forgot - c-clamps to keep the pistons from coming all the way out, or
even a loose fitting block of wood.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:25 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> that might get one side out, but how do you get the other side out.
> I've tried 100+psi air.
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > February 14, 2020 at 12:20 PM
> > Hook one onto a brake line, stomp on the brake pedal, the puck will shoot
> > out.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 The great thing about a grease gun is the control you've got...
-Curt

On Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:26:20 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:07:53 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can be 
> rebuilt?   I have 3 of them  that need to be freed up.    I've tried 
> soaking in solvent and mechanical.  I can get the pucks to turn a 
> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
> 
> Vinegar soak?
> coca cola soak?
> sulferic acid soak?
> 
> Anyone BTDT?
> 
> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some  day.

When I came upon this situation at the end of my conversion of our
'82 240D to a 240D/3.0, I opted to buy new calipers and, since we were
going to be moving, threw the old ones away.

I did not know at that time about Kroil. Have you tried Kroil and
compressed air?

Better would be Kroil and brake fluid by connecting them to the car's
hydraulic line or to a pressure pack (which might be a grease gun -- fill
the caliper with brake fluid, put a zerk on the supply hole, and pump
grease into the caliper, which can get up to 10,000 psi.).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:07:53 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can be 
> rebuilt?   I have 3 of them  that need to be freed up.    I've tried 
> soaking in solvent and mechanical.  I can get the pucks to turn a 
> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
> 
> Vinegar soak?
> coca cola soak?
> sulferic acid soak?
> 
> Anyone BTDT?
> 
> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some  day.

When I came upon this situation at the end of my conversion of our
'82 240D to a 240D/3.0, I opted to buy new calipers and, since we were
going to be moving, threw the old ones away.

I did not know at that time about Kroil. Have you tried Kroil and
compressed air?

Better would be Kroil and brake fluid by connecting them to the car's
hydraulic line or to a pressure pack (which might be a grease gun -- fill
the caliper with brake fluid, put a zerk on the supply hole, and pump
grease into the caliper, which can get up to 10,000 psi.).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
that might get one side out, but how do you get the other side out.   
I've tried 100+psi air.



OK Don via Mercedes 
February 14, 2020 at 12:20 PM
Hook one onto a brake line, stomp on the brake pedal, the puck will shoot
out.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <



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Re: [MBZ] Stuck calipers

2020-02-14 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Hook one onto a brake line, stomp on the brake pedal, the puck will shoot
out.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Has anyone come up with a way to free up stuck calipers so they can be
> rebuilt?   I have 3 of them  that need to be freed up.I've tried
> soaking in solvent and mechanical.  I can get the pucks to turn a
> little, but not to come out. They are all 124 rears.
>
> Vinegar soak?
> coca cola soak?
> sulferic acid soak?
>
> Anyone BTDT?
>
> A could throw them out, but if I can fix em, I can use em some  day.
>
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