Re: [MBZ] Ethanol-free gasoline

[clay]

Well that is handy.  I will fuel up Frosch there.  No need to screw her up with 
corn spirits.  It is nice that the pump is about a mile away.

clay

On Sep 9, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Craig wrote:

> For those of you who want ethanol-free gasoline for your MB or small
> power equipment:
> 
> http://blog.jackssmallengines.com/2013/09/going-the-extra-mile-for-ethanol-free-gas/
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Ethanol-free gasoline

[Craig]

For those of you who want ethanol-free gasoline for your MB or small
power equipment:

http://blog.jackssmallengines.com/2013/09/going-the-extra-mile-for-ethanol-free-gas/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol-free gasoline

[Dan Penoff]

I'm in the process of changing over to top-tier fuel suppliers to see if it 
makes a difference in my fuel economy.  I have plenty of Mobil stations in the 
area, but they rip you off on the "cash or credit" surcharge.  There is a Shell 
relatively close that I'm going to use from now on.

I'm on my first tank right now, and don't plan on passing judgement until I've 
run at least three or four tanks through to see the results.

Do realize that my W140 wants premium, so it's more of an issue for me than if 
I could run regular...

http://www.toptiergas.com

Dan


On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Craig wrote:

> For those of you who want ethanol-free gasoline for your MB or small
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> 
> http://blog.jackssmallengines.com/2013/09/going-the-extra-mile-for-ethanol-free-gas/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ethanol

[Dieselhead]

BZZT  Wrong again.  I have no vested or unvested financial interest 
in ethanol industry.


I do believe in attempting to set the record straight with facts when 
facts are not involved with a diatribe.


We all have an interest in availability and price of fuels, since we 
all use fuel.





 >
I know quite a bit because I belong to a group that has done considrable
research on the subject. But, I have no vested interest in it, unlike
yourself.

RLE
 >


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Re: [MBZ] ethanol

[RELNGSON]

> ...You certainly are silent about ethanol, a subject about which you know 
> nothing...
> 
I know quite a bit because I belong to a group that has done considrable 
research on the subject. But, I have no vested interest in it, unlike 
yourself. 

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ethanol

[RELNGSON]

> ..RLE/Seattle, who has been drining too much MTBE...
> 
Pretty hard to be "drining" MTBE when it's never been used in Washington 
State.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

AHHhh. same result... different candidate.. love the irony.  Send me
a few trillion.

Either way, next diesel I shop for will have armor and riot control gear
most likely.
Is there a forum for those vehicles?  ;))

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free.  ;)
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> > I have a local guy that will make "one off" bumper stickers. That's where
> I
> > had this one made.  I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as
> > wanted.
> > The "one of a kind" cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense
> of
> > humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;))
> > Grant...
> > Gas is something you don't pass in public,
> > Drive a diesel.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> > > I like this. Where can I get one?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann <
> > > >
> > > > The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie
> > Lohan
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Walt Zarnoch]

Leslie? Thought it was Lindsy?

Walt, who thinks people shouldn't get "special treatment " because there's a
box-office flop with their name in the credits...
On Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:
> Dan,
> I have a local guy that will make "one off" bumper stickers. That's where
I
> had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as
> wanted.
> The "one of a kind" cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of
> humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;))
> Grant...
> Gas is something you don't pass in public,
> Drive a diesel.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
>> I like this. Where can I get one?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann <
>> >
>> > The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie
Lohan
>> > 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free.  ;)


Should be interesting to see who the Dem nominee is.
Unlike 1980, challengers won't be put off by the president quietly muttering 
"Chappaquiddick".


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[andrew strasfogel]

I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free.  ;)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Dan,
> I have a local guy that will make "one off" bumper stickers. That's where I
> had this one made.  I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as
> wanted.
> The "one of a kind" cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of
> humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;))
> Grant...
> Gas is something you don't pass in public,
> Drive a diesel.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > I like this. Where can I get one?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann <
> > >
> > > The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie
> Lohan
> > > 2012  Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

Dan,
I have a local guy that will make "one off" bumper stickers. That's where I
had this one made.  I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as
wanted.
The "one of a kind" cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of
humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;))
Grant...
Gas is something you don't pass in public,
Drive a diesel.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I like this. Where can I get one?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann <
> >
> > The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan
> > 2012  Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[astrasfogel]

Well put.  
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But the US government is -- TOO BIG TO FAIL.   hahahahahaha
The Chinese economy would crash if can't buy all their crap. They won;t let
it happen.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And don't forget they just "bought" another credit card and charged another
> $40,000 on it last week.
>
>
>
>  I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that
>> makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest
>> "big" belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All
>> the while having a credit card balance of $384,000.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Dan Penoff]

I like this. Where can I get one?

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann <
> 
> The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan
> 2012  Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

The relationship of the American Citizen and Congress [and apparently every
other citizen with their Government worldwide] is on parallel with a
marriage where one spouse finds to late the other spouse is a drug addict
with a gambling habit, and has lost or blown the entire net worth of the
marriage and ran up debts that can never be paid.  Next step is the debt
collectors and knee breakers dropping by for a "chat".

Time for an intervention and Rehab, don't you think?

The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says "Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan
2012  Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way"

Grant...
If it's diesel, I own it.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:12:04 -0400 "Larry"  wrote:
>
> > They don't seem to understand the S&P reaction - it's the same as those
> > who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not
> > possible to spend your way out of debt.  The TP is made up of
> > Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending
> > brought under control.   The S&P and most (IMO) of the population that
> > works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't
> > go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying
> > to throw the Hot Potato to someone else.
>
> I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that
> makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest
> "big" belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All
> the while having a credit card balance of $384,000.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[OK Don]

But the US government is -- TOO BIG TO FAIL.   hahahahahaha
The Chinese economy would crash if can't buy all their crap. They won;t let
it happen.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And don't forget they just "bought" another credit card and charged another
> $40,000 on it last week.
>
>
>
>  I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that
>> makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest
>> "big" belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All
>> the while having a credit card balance of $384,000.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Dieselhead]

And don't forget they just "bought" another credit card and charged 
another $40,000 on it last week.




I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that
makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest
"big" belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All
the while having a credit card balance of $384,000.

Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Craig]

On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:12:04 -0400 "Larry"  wrote:

> They don't seem to understand the S&P reaction - it's the same as those
> who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not
> possible to spend your way out of debt.  The TP is made up of
> Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending
> brought under control.   The S&P and most (IMO) of the population that
> works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't
> go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying
> to throw the Hot Potato to someone else.

I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that
makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest
"big" belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All
the while having a credit card balance of $384,000.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Lee]

Read about it here -

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3

There was some serious sleight of hand going on with the Wall Street 
Boys and their cronies in Washington, and it hasn't been easy to trace 
as I understand it. The Bloomberg report ended up having a pitched 
battle with the Federal Reserve and finally prevailed in their FoIA 
request. They put the price tag to taxpayers at 12.8 trillion, which is 
still a lot of money. Enough that if you started spending a million 
dollars a day when Jesus was born, and kept it up until today, you still 
wouldn't  have come close to spending that much.


Check this out, and watch the video- 
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/economy/the-true-cost-of-the-bank-bailout/3309/


Lee


Mountain Man wrote:

Lee wrote:
  

What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street banksters.
The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found
that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars,
the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown,
combined.



Do you have links to this documentation?
That sounds interesting.  I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[John Freer]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Total_Wall_Street_Bailout_Cost

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street banksters.
>> The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found
>> that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars,
>> the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown,
>> combined.
>
> Do you have links to this documentation?
> That sounds interesting.  I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mountain Man]

Lee wrote:
> What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street banksters.
> The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the Bernanke, and found
> that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the cost of our several wars,
> the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic spending and the economic meltdown,
> combined.

Do you have links to this documentation?
That sounds interesting.  I wanna read more about this expansion to $16T.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[rogerhga]

>From what I've read in following this, yes, you might not get foreclosed by 
>the bank/mortgage company because they can't produce the proper paperwork, 
>BUT, it seems that you can't get a title to the property either. So, you can 
>stay and leave it to your heirs, but not sell it. At least that's how it seems 
>from what I've read, but as always, I could be wrong :-( 
Best Wishes, 
Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Hans Neureiter]

I don't talk politics, religieon and other personal issues in a bar and any
other public place.
But
Snce all the above is correct I cant pass.
We are a conglomeration of idiots'es'es thinking to be clever'er'er.
Sorry. We (you all and myself) didn't write the Constitution.
But all uf us, including your parents, GP's nd GGP's watched it fall apart.
Solution: Fire Congress (the members of it, I mean).
Put an new bullet in the gun.
Public service (Isn't that the coin phrase " I want to serve the piblic...?
= No Pay, excet expenses,
Oh, I opened up another can of worms.
During the "Cold war" we accused the Ruskies of being brain washed.
Ring a bell?
Signing off...got to piss.(I didn't say pee).
Got the KLIMA fixed on the "82.
Hurray!


On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Allan Streib wrote:
>
> The liens I've seen are in terms of "So and So Bank, its succesors
>> and/or assigns" so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold
>> the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure.
>>
>
> Only if they could prove a lawful assignment.
> Many states the law requires the assignment to be recorded with the county.
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


The liens I've seen are in terms of "So and So Bank, its succesors
and/or assigns" so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold
the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure.


Only if they could prove a lawful assignment.
Many states the law requires the assignment to be recorded with the county.

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Allan Streib]

"Luther's Benz"  writes:

> Foreclosure?  Search on Google for "home loan documents missing"
> and you will find that when some banks sold mortgages electronically,
> they failed to transfer the title paperwork.  If pressed for the
> paperwork, the banks might not be able to produce said proof of
> ownership

The liens I've seen are in terms of "So and So Bank, its succesors
and/or assigns" so even if they didn't update the lien when they sold
the mortgage it would likely still hold up in a foreclosure.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Luther's Benz]

Foreclosure?  Search on Google for "home loan documents missing" and you 
will find that when some banks sold mortgages electronically, they failed to 
transfer the title paperwork.  If pressed for the paperwork, the banks 
might not be able to produce said proof of ownership

Luther

On Aug 8, 2011 9:41 AM, Lee <einer...@yahoo.com> wrote: 

Yep.



Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports 

to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, 

the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and 

technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 

4 trillion dollars.



What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street 

banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the 

Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the 

cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic 

spending and the economic meltdown, combined.



What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped.  Having GIVEN these 

greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they 

gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on 

the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned 

things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing 

number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT 

programs that Morgan Chase administers.



I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken.





Lee







G Mann wrote:

> Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would

> have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of

> attention".

>

> Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and 
helplessness

> remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function as 
the

> rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing 
the

> "entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

>

> All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by...

> O no, not again.

>

> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T <l02tur...@comcast.net> 
wrote:

>

>   

>> G Mann wrote:

>> <<The Modes Operands is always as follows:

>> Manufactured Problem

>> Orchestrated Reaction

>> Planned Solution

>> All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.

>> 

>> Yep, I'd have to agree with that.

>> That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun 
running

>> problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun 
control. And

>> it's already starting with "executive orders"

>>

>> LarryT

>> 91 300D

>>

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>> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!

>>

>> - Original Message -

>> From: "G Mann" <g2ma...@gmail.com>

>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

>> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM

>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

>>

>> Nothing in politics happens by accident.

>> I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. 
We are

>> being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to 
large

>> be understood.

>> The Modes Operands is always as follows:

>> Manufactured Problem

>> Orchestrated Reaction

>> Planned Solution

>> All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.

>>

>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man 
<maontin@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> 

>>> OK Don wrote:

>>>   

>>>> Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the 
industry

>>>> 

>> was

>> 

>>>> driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were 
paid to

>>>> 

>> do.

>> 

>>> Ya, well...

>>> Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC 
has

>>> been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the

>>> distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10%

>>> of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether 
intentional

>>> or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can

>>> contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has 
done

>>> what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So,

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Rolf]

Doesnt this belong in banned?

-Rolf

On 08/08/2011 10:41 AM, Lee wrote:

Yep.

Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports 
to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The 
wars, the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and 
technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion 
to 4 trillion dollars.


What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street 
banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the 
Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the 
cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic 
spending and the economic meltdown, combined.


What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped.  Having GIVEN these 
greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they 
gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose 
on the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the 
damned things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the 
growing number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to 
switch to EBT programs that Morgan Chase administers.


I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken.


Lee



G Mann wrote:
Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you 
would

have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of
attention".

Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and 
helplessness
remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function 
as the
rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from 
seeing the

"entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed 
by...

O no, not again.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T  wrote:


G Mann wrote:
<All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.

Yep, I'd have to agree with that.
That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun 
running
problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun 
control. And

it's already starting with "executive orders"

LarryT
91 300D

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- Original Message -
From: "G Mann" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Nothing in politics happens by accident.
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to 
large

be understood.
The Modes Operands is always as follows:
Manufactured Problem
Orchestrated Reaction
Planned Solution
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.


On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:


OK Don wrote:

Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry

was

driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to

do.

Ya, well...
Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has done
what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all
suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
separated further from the top 10% for sure.
mao - pure communism...

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Larry]

Lee wrote <chicken.>>



Hmm... maybe add politicians to that rumor?  After all, they're the ones who 
through all those billions down the black hole with absolutely no 
accountability.


On second thought no one would believe Chicken - Skunk maybe - but the 
skunks would be offended. And rightly so...


LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: Lee

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:41 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Yep.

Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports
to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars,
the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and
technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to
4 trillion dollars.

What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street
banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the
Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the
cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic
spending and the economic meltdown, combined.

What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped.  Having GIVEN these
greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they
gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on
the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned
things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing
number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT
programs that Morgan Chase administers.

I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken.


Lee



G Mann wrote:

Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would
have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of
attention".

Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and 
helplessness
remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function as 
the
rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing 
the

"entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by...
O no, not again.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T  wrote:



G Mann wrote:
<All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.

Yep, I'd have to agree with that.
That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun 
running
problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. 
And

it's already starting with "executive orders"

LarryT
91 300D

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Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!

- Original Message -
From: "G Mann" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Nothing in politics happens by accident.
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to 
large

be understood.
The Modes Operands is always as follows:
Manufactured Problem
Orchestrated Reaction
Planned Solution
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized 
power.


On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:



OK Don wrote:


Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry


was


driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to


do.


Ya, well...
Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has done
what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all
suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
separated further from the top 10% for sure.
mao - pure communism...

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[Larry]

Unfortunately, it's a Perfect Analogy.  .   It's strange to watch the 
politicians (there's got to be a better name for them - maybe gangsters? con 
men? Morons? predators?)  trying to diminish the Tea Party by calling them 
all kind of demeaning names.  I know the main stream will try to marginalize 
the TP but come next election time they will learn how effective the people 
can be - once aroused.   I know there's a huge number of people happy to 
watch the rape of this country - those who are filled with apathy, greed, 
ignorance, stupidity and a lot more adjectives, who are perfectly content to 
let things go the way they have been.  And of course the rapist will keep 
doing what they have been.   Meanwhile, the MSM will keep ignoring the 
problem like they always do.   Actually it seems they never get too fired up 
about *any* kind of activity unless it has been done (or reportedly) done by 
a republican/conservative.  The kind of media attention given S Palin Vs 
Obama is a prime example  People went through her garbage and old emails 
looking for something to criticize her for  while seemingly ignoring obama's 
past and what passed for a voting record.Actually, I don't them 
searching through a candidates background with tenacity - but I would ask 
they work as hard looking into ALL candidates' backgrounds and not allow 
personal agenda's to get involved.


They don't seem to understand the S&P reaction - it's the same as those who 
would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not possible 
to spend your way out of debt.  The  TP is made up of Republicans, Democrats 
and independents who want to see spending brought under control.   The S&P 
and most (IMO) of the population that works and supports this country 
through taxes know the congress didn't go far enough - they just moved the 
fight down the road a piece, trying to throw the Hot Potato to someone else.


Unfortunately we have very few Statesmen in Congress (oh, how I hate to 
capitalize that word like it deserves special attention) --  the vast number 
having been replaced by silver tongued con men.  Of course the voters 
deserve lots of the responsibility - by looking at surface attributes rather 
than voting records and putting credibility in what a candidate has *done* 
over what he says he *will* do.


Hopefully next November will see a major shift.   Sorry for the rant - I am 
very angry - our "representatives"  don't deserve the name.


LarryT
91 300D

-Original Message- 
From: G Mann

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:13 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would
have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of
attention".

Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness
remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function as the
rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the
"entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by...
O no, not again.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T  wrote:


G Mann wrote:
<>>


Yep, I'd have to agree with that.
That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun 
running
problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. 
And

it's already starting with "executive orders"

LarryT
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- Original Message -
From: "G Mann" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Nothing in politics happens by accident.
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large
be understood.
The Modes Operands is always as follows:
Manufactured Problem
Orchestrated Reaction
Planned Solution
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man




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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Lee]

Yep.

Just saw a bar graph published July 27 by the White House. It purports 
to list the four biggest factors contributing to the US debt. The wars, 
the Bush tax cuts, domestic spending, and changes in economy and 
technology were listed. Cost for each factor ranged from 1.5 trillion to 
4 trillion dollars.


What wasn't on the bar graph? The "bailout" to the Wall Street 
banksters. The GAO investigated it, over the shrill protests of the 
Bernanke, and found that it cost 16 trillion dollars, nearly twice the 
cost of our several wars, the Bush tax cuts, all of our domestic 
spending and the economic meltdown, combined.


What did we get in return? We got bitch-slapped.  Having GIVEN these 
greedy bastards an incomprehensible sum with no strings attached, they 
gave their top thieves million-dollar bonuses, continue to foreclose on 
the houses of working-class people, and are now bulldozing the damned 
things by the hundreds. JP Morgan Chase is capitalizing on the growing 
number of poor by persuading state food stamp programs to switch to EBT 
programs that Morgan Chase administers.


I'm ready to start circulating the rumor that bankers taste like chicken.


Lee



G Mann wrote:

Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would
have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of
attention".

Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness
remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function as the
rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the
"entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by...
O no, not again.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T  wrote:

  

G Mann wrote:
<
Yep, I'd have to agree with that.

That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running
problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And
it's already starting with "executive orders"

LarryT
91 300D

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- Original Message -
From: "G Mann" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

Nothing in politics happens by accident.
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large
be understood.
The Modes Operands is always as follows:
Manufactured Problem
Orchestrated Reaction
Planned Solution
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:



OK Don wrote:
  

Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry


was


driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to


do.


Ya, well...
Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has done
what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all
suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
separated further from the top 10% for sure.
mao - pure communism...

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

Watching politics in action these days brings the same emotions you would
have watching a video of a prison gang rape where you are the "center of
attention".

Doesn't matter what political party, the sense of violation and helplessness
remains when reported by the "news media" who serve the same function as the
rest of the prisoners standing in a circle to keep the bulls from seeing the
"entertainment" while they laugh, point and cheer.

All while you keep thinking this can't be happening... followed by...
O no, not again.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Larry T  wrote:

> G Mann wrote:
> < Manufactured Problem
> Orchestrated Reaction
> Planned Solution
> All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.
> >>>
>
>
> Yep, I'd have to agree with that.
> That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running
> problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And
> it's already starting with "executive orders"
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For
> Inexpensive Oil Test Kits!
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "G Mann" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
>
> Nothing in politics happens by accident.
> I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are
> being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large
> be understood.
> The Modes Operands is always as follows:
> Manufactured Problem
> Orchestrated Reaction
> Planned Solution
> All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
>
> > OK Don wrote:
> > > Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry
> was
> > > driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to
> do.
> >
> > Ya, well...
> > Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
> > been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
> > distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
> > of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
> > or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
> > contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has done
> > what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all
> > suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
> > separated further from the top 10% for sure.
> > mao - pure communism...
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Larry T]

G Mann wrote: 
<>> 


Yep, I'd have to agree with that. 
That's what worries me about all the furor about the fabricated gun running 
problem to Mexico - they're setting the stage for increased gun control. And 
it's already starting with "executive orders" 

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Nothing in politics happens by accident. 
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned. We are 
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large 
be understood. 
The Modes Operands is always as follows: 
Manufactured Problem 
Orchestrated Reaction 
Planned Solution 
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power. 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man  wrote: 

> OK Don wrote: 
> > Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was 
> > driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do. 
> 
> Ya, well... 
> Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has 
> been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the 
> distance between us and them. I doubt any of us are in that top 10% 
> of money holders? Too bad, because these programs whether intentional 
> or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can 
> contemplate. This system is in a huge hurt, big time. S&P has done 
> what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate. So, now we all 
> suffer once again. How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being 
> separated further from the top 10% for sure. 
> mao - pure communism... 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
> The Modes Operands is always as follows:
> Manufactured Problem
> Orchestrated Reaction
> Planned Solution
> All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.

This has been the manner for all incidents for a hundred+ years.
Yep - I *do* feel raped.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

Nothing in politics happens by accident.
I'll put my bets in that even the S&P downgrade was pre-planned.  We are
being played like a cheap trick by master manipulators on a scale to large
be understood.
The Modes Operands is always as follows:
Manufactured Problem
Orchestrated Reaction
Planned Solution
All actions to the benefit of the criminal grifters who have seized power.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
> > Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was
> > driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do.
>
> Ya, well...
> Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
> been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
> distance between us and them.  I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
> of money holders?  Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
> or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
> contemplate.  This system is in a huge hurt, big time.  S&P has done
> what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate.  So, now we all
> suffer once again.  How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
> separated further from the top 10% for sure.
> mao - pure communism...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> Theres no shortage of ground available for food production, nobody is renting 
> my farm for instance but our addiction to cheap food has kept food prices so 
> low for so long its hard to find people stupid enough to try farming.
>

Have you considered Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) for your
farm?  If nobody can pay the rent, perhaps you could let someone
improve the value as they use sustainable agricultural practices to
grow locally produced organics for sale at local markets?  I like the
concept of CSA, but know nothing about the actual implementation.
mao - pure communism

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mountain Man]

OK Don wrote:
> Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was
> driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do.

Ya, well...
Not to be too partisan here, the reality is that all the games DC has
been playing with large dollar amounts did nothing but increase the
distance between us and them.  I doubt any of us are in that top 10%
of money holders?  Too bad, because these programs whether intentional
or not merely took more away from all of us than any of us can
contemplate.  This system is in a huge hurt, big time.  S&P has done
what nobody in DC had the cahoonas to contemplate.  So, now we all
suffer once again.  How? - who knows, but we will be the ones being
separated further from the top 10% for sure.
mao - pure communism...

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Curt Raymond]

An interesting thing about food as fuel is that farmers will tell you that only 
recently has the price of corn risen above the cost of production. 
Realistically corn was way to cheap for decades.

Corn as ethanol is a stupid choice and pretty much everybody agrees on it. 
Brazil's ethanol made from sugar cane is a much better choice as would using 
sugar beets which grow well even in places that corn doesn't.

Theres no shortage of ground available for food production, nobody is renting 
my farm for instance but our addiction to cheap food has kept food prices so 
low for so long its hard to find people stupid enough to try farming.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:58:49 -0700
From: G Mann 
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If that was the only downside we would have some reason to be happy.. it's
not.
Ethanol production has gone into direct conflict with our human food chain.
It's driven food prices up over 20%, consumed producing farm land, and in
general messed with fuel production by complication of the blending/refinery
production process.  Fuel costs more, food cost more, and we pay higher
taxes by virtue of higher fuel costs [$1 a gallon fuel pays less tax that $4
a gallon fuel] so we get double hammered. Make that tripple hammered, since
the "new fuel" gets less mileage even though it costs more.

Even worse, Ethanol from food grains is grossly lacking in efficency. Return
per pound of grain to BTU of energy is on an alarmingly low rate while cost
to plant goes up almost geometric.

Second generation production of Ethanol from waste bio mass product such as
grass clippings and corn stalks, or wood chips is likely decades away.

It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed,
burden on the public.

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[OK Don]

Like many other things - follow the money. Last I heard, the industry was
driving the ethanol mandate, congress just did what they were paid to do.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM, G Mann  wrote:

>
> It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed,
> burden on the public.



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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[G Mann]

If that was the only downside we would have some reason to be happy.. it's
not.
Ethanol production has gone into direct conflict with our human food chain.
It's driven food prices up over 20%, consumed producing farm land, and in
general messed with fuel production by complication of the blending/refinery
production process.  Fuel costs more, food cost more, and we pay higher
taxes by virtue of higher fuel costs [$1 a gallon fuel pays less tax that $4
a gallon fuel] so we get double hammered. Make that tripple hammered, since
the "new fuel" gets less mileage even though it costs more.

Even worse, Ethanol from food grains is grossly lacking in efficency. Return
per pound of grain to BTU of energy is on an alarmingly low rate while cost
to plant goes up almost geometric.

Second generation production of Ethanol from waste bio mass product such as
grass clippings and corn stalks, or wood chips is likely decades away.

It is yet another government mandated, poorly planned, poorly executed,
burden on the public.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:34 PM, MG  wrote:

> Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on it, but the
> octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower then gasoline. (What you
> never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe to produce a pin point flame in
> science class? Try that with gas! IF you are suicidal.) That is what a
> higher octane number means, slower burning. The ping or detonation in a
> cylinder is just the gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and
> yes flame front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that
> but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves reducing the
> burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol burns slower anything it
> is mixed with burns slower overall. Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to
> do that then some other chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy
> released per gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as
> an octane booster.
>
> Manfred
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400
> From: Michael Canfield 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
> >
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>
> "utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating"
>
> Now that is an interesting statement.  I say bullshit.
>
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[MG]

Don't know about the oxygen part, haven't done any research on 
it, but the octane part is correct. Alcohol burns a lot slower 
then gasoline. (What you never used an alcohol lamp and blow pipe 
to produce a pin point flame in science class? Try that with gas! 
IF you are suicidal.) That is what a higher octane number means, 
slower burning. The ping or detonation in a cylinder is just the 
gasoline/air mixture burning too fast (exploding, and yes flame 
front propagation in an engine is a lot more involved then that 
but those are the basics). Increasing the octane involves 
reducing the burning speed of the gas/air mixture. Since alcohol 
burns slower anything it is mixed with burns slower overall. 
Unfortunately it takes more alcohol to do that then some other 
chemicals so over all there is less heat or energy released per 
gallon. Less energy less MPG the downside to using alcohol as an 
octane booster.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:41:29 -0400
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"utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and 
octane rating"


Now that is an interesting statement.  I say bullshit.

Mike

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Mountain Man]

Allan wrote:
> Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to 
> contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky 
> storage tanks and pipelines.  Ethanol then became the favored additive for 
> oxygenation.
>

The industry has gotten smarter.
Today, even with reports of similar contamination of groundwater
sources, hydro-fracking gets a pass.  All in the name of national
self-sufficiency paying no attention to our bloated hydrocarbon use.
Certainly there are better ways to kill our bloated uses.  Not
electric - merely fewer drivers.  My guess is over half the drivers in
cars these days are incapable as drivers, so we make ABS, ASR, etc so
we can keep darwin-award people alive.  Sounds stoopid to me, but I
guess I'm just a luddite.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Allan Streib]

One of the reasons it was added was to add oxygen to the fuel to achieve 
reduced CO emission.  I don't know how it might affect octane rating, which is 
an indicator of resistance to pre-ignition.

Originally MBTE was used until it was discovered that it has a tendency to 
contaminate groundwater/drinking water as a result of spills and leaky storage 
tanks and pipelines.  Ethanol then became the favored additive for oxygenation.

Allan


On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:41 -0400, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:
> "utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating"
> 
> Now that is an interesting statement.  I say bullshit.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[Michael Canfield]

"utilized as a gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating"

Now that is an interesting statement.  I say bullshit.

Mike
On Aug 4, 2011 10:38 PM,  wrote:
> Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
> by Staff Writers
> Washington (UPI) Aug 3, 2011
>
> Plans to use existing U.S. pipelines to carry increasing ethanol
production
> poses the problem the fuel can dramatically degrade them, researchers say.
> Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology warn that

> ethanol, and especially the bacteria sometimes found in it, can worsen
> fatigue crack growth rates by 25 times the rate in air alone.
> Researchers evaluated fatigue-related cracking in two common pipeline
> steels exposed to ethanol mixtures, including simulated fuel-grade ethanol
and an
> ethanol-water solution containing common bacteria, an NIST release said
> Wednesday.
> "Substantial increases in crack growth rates were caused by the microbes,"

> NIST researcher Jeffrey Sowards said. "These are important data for
pipeline
> engineers who want to safely and reliably transport ethanol fuel in
> re-purposed oil and gas pipelines."
> The tests were performed on common pipeline steels, which are alloys of
> more than a dozen metals.
> Ethanol, an alcohol that can be derived from corn, is often utilized as a
> gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines

[RELNGSON]

Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
by Staff Writers
Washington (UPI) Aug 3, 2011 

Plans to use existing U.S. pipelines to carry increasing ethanol production 
poses the problem the fuel can dramatically degrade them, researchers say.
Scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology warn that 
ethanol, and especially the bacteria sometimes found in it, can worsen 
fatigue crack growth rates by 25 times the rate in air alone.
Researchers evaluated fatigue-related cracking in two common pipeline 
steels exposed to ethanol mixtures, including simulated fuel-grade ethanol and 
an 
ethanol-water solution containing common bacteria, an NIST release said 
Wednesday.
"Substantial increases in crack growth rates were caused by the microbes," 
NIST researcher Jeffrey Sowards said. "These are important data for pipeline 
engineers who want to safely and reliably transport ethanol fuel in 
re-purposed oil and gas pipelines."
The tests were performed on common pipeline steels, which are alloys of 
more than a dozen metals.
Ethanol, an alcohol that can be derived from corn, is often utilized as a 
gasoline additive for its oxygen content and octane rating.







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[Mountain Man]

OK Don wrote:
> The "news" media is only an extension of Madison Ave. It is neither liberal
> nor conservative - it is advertising, should to the highest bidder. the
> market always wins!

Agreed.
You have made my point.
We have already passed a point of recovery.
We are a dead nation, pure and simple.  There is zero desire for
recovery, there is zero opportunity for recovery - we are run by a
military-industrial-complex that pays Madison Ave, and we are duped by
Madison Ave in all we think and desire.
mao

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[OK Don]

The "news" media is only an extension of Madison Ave. It is neither liberal
nor conservative - it is advertising, should to the highest bidder. the
market always wins!

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Mountain Man wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
> > This will be the downfall of the USA.
>
> I think you are wrong.
> I think this *was* the downfall of the USA.
> There is zero desire or movement away from listening to jazz about
> black friday / cyber monday - we love the palliative.  We are dupes,
> we know that, and we do not want to change.  We have fallen, and the
> news media is lying to us about all things trying to make us feel
> better, along with Madison Ave.
> mao--
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol, again

[Mountain Man]

OK Don wrote:
> This will be the downfall of the USA.

I think you are wrong.
I think this *was* the downfall of the USA.
There is zero desire or movement away from listening to jazz about
black friday / cyber monday - we love the palliative.  We are dupes,
we know that, and we do not want to change.  We have fallen, and the
news media is lying to us about all things trying to make us feel
better, along with Madison Ave.
mao

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[OK Don]

Madison Ave., regardless of who they are working for, distorts markets more
than anyone else -- most people beleive what they are told and don't check
the facts. This will be the downfall of the USA.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, wall street meddling distorts markets too.

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[Dieselhead]

SocSec and healthcare I agree the gummit has no business in. 
However, defense is one of the few things besides tariffs the gummit 
IS authorized to do by the constitution.




Dieselhead wrote:

 I agree, gummit meddling messes up the markets, but if you want to stop the
 meddling, lets get the gummit out of ALL the markets, including gas and oil,
 food, and more.


Social Security, standing army, healthcare - the three third-rail items also.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol, again

[Mountain Man]

Dieselhead wrote:
> I agree, gummit meddling messes up the markets, but if you want to stop the
> meddling, lets get the gummit out of ALL the markets, including gas and oil,
> food, and more.

Social Security, standing army, healthcare - the three third-rail items also.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol, again

[Dieselhead]

Fact check please

1.   "though we've been hearing that advanced ethanol is just a
year or two away from viability for two decades."

WRONG.  Cellulosic ethanol is here now.  The first plants are in 
design and construction phase.  The technology has been licensed by 
brazil, and is being licensed to chinee-land and scandanavia.  I have 
seen it work.  It produces over 100 gal per ton from corn stover, oak 
chips and can dramaticly increase the yield from corn.  Just because 
it has been kept out of the media does not mean the technology is not 
present.  WSJ is NOT the font of all knowledge.


Current plants can use the new technology without modification of 
equipment.  Third gen ethanol production is available.


2.  from Grassley:  "R they ready sunset tax subsidies oil AND gas 
enjoys?"  Is right on.  Woger, have you ever totalled the subsidies 
for the oil and gas industry  CHECK the FACTS!
Why should ethanol have to make it on its own while gas and oil have 
hundreds of obvious and hidden tax benefits and gummit benefits worth 
billions?  BTW, Grassley knows more about ethanol than any WSJ writer.


3. MTBE  MTBE is a known carcinogen and you don't need to ingest it 
to suffer the consequences.  Nothing I am aware of that has ever been 
foisted on the general public is as highly carcinogenic as MTBE.   As 
for me, I an very happy that MTBE was finally banned.  If not for the 
massive lobbying of the oil gas and chemical industries, it would 
never have been approved for use.  MTBE is nasty stuff.


4.  The "ethanol consumes more energy..." myth.  The last time Woger 
brought up his anti-ethanol rant, he was soundly thumped over his 
insistence that ethanol production consumes more energy than it 
produces.  That is not so and is decades out of date.


5.  Currently the gimmit is paying out way less for farm subsidies 
than when its market meddling kept prices below production costs for 
the benefit of a few powerful interests (ADM, Conagra, Cargill).  Is 
helping to level the field a bit for ethanol worse than subsidizing 
farms to keep the families barely alive so the big 3, (ADM, Cargill, 
Conagra) make billions?


I agree, gummit meddling messes up the markets, but if you want to 
stop the meddling, lets get the gummit out of ALL the markets, 
including gas and oil, food, and more.


BTW, wall street meddling distorts markets too.

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[MBZ] Ethanol, again

[RELNGSON]

The following editorial is from the Wall Street Journal issue from November 
28, 2010.  It is a perfect illustration of a politically popular idea that 
is wrong economically.  This is why we need a free market that is not 
distorted by politics.  It has been obvious for decades that the whole ethanol 
idea is nothing but money going to an unproductive enterprise, yet the federal 
government and some state governments   continue to support the delusion 
that ethanol is good for something.    
 
Al Gore's Ethanol Epiphany

He concedes the industry he promoted serves no useful purpose.

Anyone who opposes ethanol subsidies, as these columns have for decades, 
comes to appreciate the wisdom of St. Jude. But now that a modern-day patron 
saint—St. Al of Green—has come out against the fuel made from corn and your 
tax dollars, maybe this isn't such a lost cause.
Welcome to the college of converts, Mr. Vice President. "It is not a good 
policy to have these massive subsidies for first-generation ethanol," Al Gore 
told a gathering of clean energy financiers in Greece this week. The 
benefits of ethanol are "trivial," he added, but "It's hard once such a program 
is 
put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going."
No kidding, and Mr. Gore said he knows from experience: "One of the reasons 
I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in 
my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in 
the state of Iowa because I was about to run for President."
Mr. Gore's mea culpa underscores the degree to which ethanol has become a 
purely political machine: It serves no purpose other than re-electing incumbe
nts and transferring wealth to farm states and ethanol producers. Nothing 
proves this better than the coincident trajectories of ethanol and Mr. Gore's 
career.
Ethanol's claim on the Treasury was first made amid the 1970s energy 
crisis, with Jimmy Carter and a Democratic Congress subsidizing anything that 
claimed to be a substitute for foreign oil. Mr. Gore, freshman House class of 
1976, was an early proponent of what was then called "gasahol."
The subsidies continued through the 1990s, with the ethanol lobby finding a 
sympathetic ear in Clinton EPA chief and Gore protege Carol Browner, who in 
1994 banned the gasoline additive MTBE and left ethanol as the only option 
under clean air laws. When the Senate split 50-50 on repealing this de facto 
mandate, then Vice President Gore cast the deciding vote for . . . ethanol. 
That served him well in the 2000 Democratic primaries against ethanol 
critic Bill Bradley.
During the George W. Bush years, Big Ethanol adapted again, attaching 
itself to the global warming panic that Mr. Gore did as much as anyone to 
foment. 
Republicans in Congress formalized the mandate and increased subsidies in 
the 2005 and 2007 energy bills.
Meanwhile, the greens have slowly turned against corn ethanol, thanks to 
the growing scientific evidence that biofuels increase carbon emissions more 
than fossil fuels do. But the boondoggle lives on in dreams for so-called 
advanced fuels like cellulosic ethanol. Note Mr. Gore's objection only to 
"first generation," though we've been hearing that advanced ethanol is just a 
year or two away from viability for two decades.

At least on corn subsidies, we now have the makings of a left-right 
anti-boondoggle coalition. Major corn energy subsidies such as the 
54-cent-per-gallon blenders credit expire at the end of the year, and 
Republican Senators 
Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn are encouraging the new Congress to prove its fiscal 
bona fides by letting them die. Chuck Grassley (R., Ethanol) responded this 
week on Twitter: "WashPost reports 2 of my colleagues want sunset ethanol 
tax credit R they ready sunset tax subsidies oil AND gas enjoys?"
Messrs. DeMint and Coburn replied, essentially, make our day—and rightly 
so. Regardless of government intervention, the economy will continue to demand 
oil and gas, because they are useful. No one could plausibly say the same 
about ethanol, and maybe now that he's had his epiphany Mr. Gore will join 
the fight against the subsidized industry he did so much to promote.
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

"E M" pokieba...@gmail.com  wrote:




 


I'm in Ontario.  While smoking isn't good for you, I doubt very much the odd
cigar will have any negative effect on longevity what so ever.  As you say,
in moderation, it's all part of enjoying life.

I'm pretty sure cigars, or any tobacco products, are not allowed to be
mailed within Canada.  Now sure if that applies to export too, or just
within certain provinces.  I was told once, that "owning" Cuban cigars isn't
illegal in the US, only buying or selling them.  I think anything
pre-embargo is ok, but that stuff is probably crazy expensive now.  A few
years back, I still have a couple of REAL Cuban Davidoff sticks in my
humidor.  Try finding those today!! hee hee

If you do buy cigars from Canada, that you are allowed to take back with
you, see if you can claim the tobacco tax when you get home, and get a
rebate from the Canadian gov.  I know with some of the taxes, friends have
claimed them upon arriving home, and received a cheque.  As the taxes are
intended for our domestic market, might be worth looking into.  The markup
on tobacco is very high here!  Now, that might not be such a good idea if
you're submitting a stub for Cuban cigars, and the refund is going to the
US. ;-)

What Canadian spirits are you interested in?

Ed
300E

 *
Re: cigars.  What you do is unband the Cubans, put the Cuban bands in your 
wallet, reband them using a dot of glue with something  US legal, and when you 
get back home, put the proper bands back on the Cubans.  You will have to take 
notes on which cigars are which so yoiu can reunite them with their 
proper labels.  The chances are very remote that you will encounter a customs 
agent who is such an afficionado that they can tell a rebanded Cuban on sight.  
Just won't happen.  So, just march your cigars right thru customs and wave them 
in their faces, meaning their eyes will immediately glaze over.  Mix in a 
handful of non Cubans--even ones you can get cheaper in the States--just to fog 
the picture even more.  This is, ahem, just a theory, of course :)
 
Re: Canadian Liquor.  Brother Todd (who has gone inactive on the MBZ list) and 
I were raised by a father whose favorite whiskey was Crown Royal, and adopted 
his prejudices.
Now, i know what people say about Crown Royal--that it is the Budweiser of 
Canadian Whiskeys, but I don't care.  I am not interested in being a Canadian 
whiskey snob--call me a rube--I like Crown Royal. 
For decades there was just one Crown Royal, and recently the distiller has 
produced some variants.  In fact, just this summer, CR announced it just 
launched Crown Royal Black, which is supposed to be a darker, richer variant of 
Old Reliable.  It is only to be marketed in Canada, at least for the time 
being, according to their web page.  Now THAT is something I would like to get 
my American paws on...
DBV, mercedes list information minister
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

"LWB250" lwb...@yahoo.com



 


Nod to the north, Van.  I had a Sprecker with my lunch today.  Yum.

I hear that Harley is threatening to move production out of town.  That should 
be getting the locals worked up.

Dan who just got his monthly care package from Bernie's Fine Meats in Port 
Washington, WI today.

*
 
The US does have some pretty good microbrews.  Sprecher, based out of 
Milwaukee, is so popular that it is in danger of losing its microbrew status.   
Could probably be the next Miller if they were ambitious enough, meaning sadly 
of course that it would probably turn into another Miller, if you know what i 
mean.

Re: Harley: this isn't a union issue.  H-D's unique relationship with their 
employees where probably 99% of employees own hogs and are intensely loyal to 
the company.  They are receptive to inevitable insurance/wage/freeze/cutbacks.
 
The fuckup here is the state of Wisconsin.  They are planning on changing the 
tax status of Harley Davidson.  Its a bit complicated, but at present, whatever 
state HD does business in, Harley gets to pay taxes at the tax rate of that 
state.  IN that most states have lower tax rates than Wis, this is a strategic 
advantage for HD.
 
However, the powers that be in Madison propose to change that so that *ALL*  
business done in other states is payable to the state at Wisconsin's rates.   
Retroactive to Jan 1, this introduces an instant addit'l tax liability to HD of 
$22 million.   HD is struggling mightily, with indulgences such as Harleys 
being the first budget item cut by families, and they just don't have $22 M 
which they'll have to cough up annually into perpetuity.
 
THe public is very upset over the state being so short sighted that they are 
threatening a landmark industry that has defined Milwaukee since 1903 over a 
$22 million money grab, which they will get to do exactly once before HD packs 
up and leavs.  Public sentiment is 99% in support of Harley, and disgust 
towards the State.
 
The left wing rag Milwaukee Journal moans about Harley's "lack of loyalty" to 
Milwaukee and Wisconsin in their op eds, but get little traction.  
 
Meanwhile there are other states lined up at HD's door courting them--the usual 
low tax states: Tennessee, Kentucky etc. begging them to move.  Who wouldn't 
want a plum like Harley Davidson?  You can practically wrap yourself in the 
American flag.
 
All this is still in the proposal stage, but if it goes thru and HD leaves 
after 107 years here, heads in Madison will roll like pumpkins.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

I'm in Ontario.  While smoking isn't good for you, I doubt very much the odd
cigar will have any negative effect on longevity what so ever.  As you say,
in moderation, it's all part of enjoying life.

I'm pretty sure cigars, or any tobacco products, are not allowed to be
mailed within Canada.  Now sure if that applies to export too, or just
within certain provinces.  I was told once, that "owning" Cuban cigars isn't
illegal in the US, only buying or selling them.  I think anything
pre-embargo is ok, but that stuff is probably crazy expensive now.  A few
years back, I still have a couple of REAL Cuban Davidoff sticks in my
humidor.  Try finding those today!! hee hee

If you do buy cigars from Canada, that you are allowed to take back with
you, see if you can claim the tobacco tax when you get home, and get a
rebate from the Canadian gov.  I know with some of the taxes, friends have
claimed them upon arriving home, and received a cheque.  As the taxes are
intended for our domestic market, might be worth looking into.  The markup
on tobacco is very high here!  Now, that might not be such a good idea if
you're submitting a stub for Cuban cigars, and the refund is going to the
US. ;-)

What Canadian spirits are you interested in?

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 16:04, Van Knutson  wrote:

> We have minimum beer and wine pricing here.  I remember about 10 years or
> so
> years ago, there was a local wine producing, offering a good wine for $3.50
> or so a bottle.  Gov said no no to that, much charge at least 7.50 or
> whatever it was.  It's not the greedy beer and wine producers, it's the gov
> that seems to if they set the min price high enough, no one will get drunk
> and misbehave.  Another example of, how did we ever get by before the gov
> came along told us what was best for us.  hee hee.
>
> As for cigars, they are something I enjoy, along with the odd bowl of pipe
> tobacco.  Usually a bowl or a cigar on the weekends.  I have a few Cohibas
> in my humidor at the moment, but I have to admit, not my fave stick.  My
> fave shape is Robusto.  Big enough ring to get enough complexity from the
> filler, and a long enough smoke for me.  Pipe tobacco, I lean towards the
> English blends, with Latakia.  Hard to find a good selection of "proper"
> pipe tobaccos now.  I hear Dunhill is reintroducing several of theirs.
>
> Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
> was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
> litre of premium fuel. hee hee.
>
> Plan another trip up, we have several really good tobacconists with great
> selections of cigars.  :-)  Just remember to fill your tank before crossing
> over, the gas prices here will shock you!!
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 
> You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The rationale is: its
> bad for you, and if you do it a lot it will kill you, but if you do it
> jst a bit, maybe you can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life
> without an occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
>
> Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I live in the
> Milwaukee area, Racine to be exact.  As mentioned, my one trip to the Great
> White North was to Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
>
> There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in Canada.  IIRC,
> we Americans get to declare one litre per adult per trip duty free.
>
> I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going back are a no-no, but
> you simply unband them in-country and put another on them, like Dutch
> Masters   ; )  and it simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate
> it with you.
>
> DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[LWB250]

Nod to the north, Van.  I had a Sprecker with my lunch today.  Yum.

I hear that Harley is threatening to move production out of town.  That should 
be getting the locals worked up.

Dan who just got his monthly care package from Bernie's Fine Meats in Port 
Washington, WI today.



--- On Wed, 8/4/10, Van Knutson  wrote:

> From: Van Knutson 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?
> To: "mercedes okiebenz" 
> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>> You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The
> rationale is: its bad for you, and if you do it a lot it
> will kill you, but if you do it jst a bit, maybe you
> can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life without
> an occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
>  
> Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I
> live in the Milwaukee area, Racine to be exact.  As
> mentioned, my one trip to the Great White North was to
> Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
>  
> There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in
> Canada.  IIRC, we Americans get to declare one litre per
> adult per trip duty free.
>  
> I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going
> back are a no-no, but you simply unband them in-country and
> put another on them, like Dutch Masters   ; )  and it
> simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate it with
> you.
>  
> DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

We have minimum beer and wine pricing here.  I remember about 10 years or so
years ago, there was a local wine producing, offering a good wine for $3.50
or so a bottle.  Gov said no no to that, much charge at least 7.50 or
whatever it was.  It's not the greedy beer and wine producers, it's the gov
that seems to if they set the min price high enough, no one will get drunk
and misbehave.  Another example of, how did we ever get by before the gov
came along told us what was best for us.  hee hee.

As for cigars, they are something I enjoy, along with the odd bowl of pipe
tobacco.  Usually a bowl or a cigar on the weekends.  I have a few Cohibas
in my humidor at the moment, but I have to admit, not my fave stick.  My
fave shape is Robusto.  Big enough ring to get enough complexity from the
filler, and a long enough smoke for me.  Pipe tobacco, I lean towards the
English blends, with Latakia.  Hard to find a good selection of "proper"
pipe tobaccos now.  I hear Dunhill is reintroducing several of theirs.

Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
litre of premium fuel. hee hee.

Plan another trip up, we have several really good tobacconists with great
selections of cigars.  :-)  Just remember to fill your tank before crossing
over, the gas prices here will shock you!!

Ed
300E


You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The rationale is: its bad 
for you, and if you do it a lot it will kill you, but if you do it jst a 
bit, maybe you can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life without an 
occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
 
Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I live in the Milwaukee 
area, Racine to be exact.  As mentioned, my one trip to the Great White North 
was to Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
 
There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in Canada.  IIRC, we 
Americans get to declare one litre per adult per trip duty free.
 
I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going back are a no-no, but you 
simply unband them in-country and put another on them, like Dutch Masters   ; 
)  and it simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate it with you.
 
DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

There was a time here, about 15 years ago, that that sign would have be
questioned, if it was in the French wine section. lol.

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 13:03, OK Don  wrote:

> I like the signs at liquor stores now that say "100% alcohol, no gas!"
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, E M  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time
> i
> > was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as
> a
> > litre of premium fuel. hee hee.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[OK Don]

I like the signs at liquor stores now that say "100% alcohol, no gas!"

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, E M  wrote:

>
>
> Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
> was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
> litre of premium fuel. hee hee.


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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Rich Thomas]

Do you run a messenger service too?

--R

On 8/4/2010 12:37 AM, Van Knutson wrote:

DBV wrote:
   

I dream of the day someone in the US has the stones to declare the embargo a 
waste of time and open trade with the Commies.

 

What do you mean?
The commies are our largest debt owner - china is still communist, no?
mao

***
I'll be impressed with the ChiComs when their cigars are as good as Cubans.
  
So far they haven't demonstrated they can keep mercury out of childrens toys, tooth paste or dog food.  Cigars might be a bit of a tall order for them.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

DBV wrote:
> I dream of the day someone in the US has the stones to declare the embargo a 
> waste of time and open trade with the Commies.
>

What do you mean?
The commies are our largest debt owner - china is still communist, no?
mao

***
I'll be impressed with the ChiComs when their cigars are as good as Cubans. 
 
So far they haven't demonstrated they can keep mercury out of childrens toys, 
tooth paste or dog food.  Cigars might be a bit of a tall order for them.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

We have minimum beer and wine pricing here.  I remember about 10 years or so
years ago, there was a local wine producing, offering a good wine for $3.50
or so a bottle.  Gov said no no to that, much charge at least 7.50 or
whatever it was.  It's not the greedy beer and wine producers, it's the gov
that seems to if they set the min price high enough, no one will get drunk
and misbehave.  Another example of, how did we ever get by before the gov
came along told us what was best for us.  hee hee.

As for cigars, they are something I enjoy, along with the odd bowl of pipe
tobacco.  Usually a bowl or a cigar on the weekends.  I have a few Cohibas
in my humidor at the moment, but I have to admit, not my fave stick.  My
fave shape is Robusto.  Big enough ring to get enough complexity from the
filler, and a long enough smoke for me.  Pipe tobacco, I lean towards the
English blends, with Latakia.  Hard to find a good selection of "proper"
pipe tobaccos now.  I hear Dunhill is reintroducing several of theirs.

Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
litre of premium fuel. hee hee.

Plan another trip up, we have several really good tobacconists with great
selections of cigars.  :-)  Just remember to fill your tank before crossing
over, the gas prices here will shock you!!

Ed
300E

On 3 August 2010 17:14, Van Knutson  wrote:

> "E M" 
>
>
>
>
> To:
> "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>
>
> I mentioned the $1.04 per litre.  We have recently had yet ANOTHER tax
> added
> to most things, including gas.  To put it in perspective, when gas is now
> $1.02 a litre, I jump on it and fill up, as that's somewhat of a "good"
> price!  And I did mention that's regular, not the premium stuff, that the
> W124 likes to drink.
>
> Ed
> 300E, who curses the cost of gas during the drive to the beer store, only
> to
> get smacked again!!  It's enough to drive someone to smoke, but of course,
> after filling the tank, and getting a case of beer, there's no money left
> for tobacco. hee hee
>
> **
> You unwittingly hit a sore spot.  On balance, Canadian beer--if you forced
> my choice--is better than American, especially considering we have 10X the
> resources.  The state controlled prices are more expensive but livable.
> However, what y'all got on us absolutely is your access to Cuban cigars.
> My last excursion to get Cubans (in Sarnia, ONT) with brother DBT was years
> ago.  We cherished every puff--even more so because they were contraband
> once we got them across the border.
> When Cuba got off the Soviet Union's tit when the Russkies collapsed at the
> end of the cold war, they started cranking them out to make up for lost
> revenue and the quality went down.  That being said, tho, there is no
> mistaking a Cuban cigar.  I dream of the day someone in the US has the
> stones to declare the embargo a waste of time and open trade with the
> Commies.
>
> DBV, Cohiba dreamin information minister
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Mountain Man]

DBV wrote:
> I dream of the day someone in the US has the stones to declare the embargo a 
> waste of time and open trade with the Commies.
>

What do you mean?
The commies are our largest debt owner - china is still communist, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

"E M" 




To: 
"Mercedes Discussion List" 


I mentioned the $1.04 per litre.  We have recently had yet ANOTHER tax added
to most things, including gas.  To put it in perspective, when gas is now
$1.02 a litre, I jump on it and fill up, as that's somewhat of a "good"
price!  And I did mention that's regular, not the premium stuff, that the
W124 likes to drink.

Ed
300E, who curses the cost of gas during the drive to the beer store, only to
get smacked again!!  It's enough to drive someone to smoke, but of course,
after filling the tank, and getting a case of beer, there's no money left
for tobacco. hee hee

**
You unwittingly hit a sore spot.  On balance, Canadian beer--if you forced my 
choice--is better than American, especially considering we have 10X the 
resources.  The state controlled prices are more expensive but livable. 
However, what y'all got on us absolutely is your access to Cuban cigars.  My 
last excursion to get Cubans (in Sarnia, ONT) with brother DBT was years ago.  
We cherished every puff--even more so because they were contraband once we got 
them across the border.
When Cuba got off the Soviet Union's tit when the Russkies collapsed at the end 
of the cold war, they started cranking them out to make up for lost revenue and 
the quality went down.  That being said, tho, there is no mistaking a Cuban 
cigar.  I dream of the day someone in the US has the stones to declare the 
embargo a waste of time and open trade with the Commies.
 
DBV, Cohiba dreamin information minister


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

I mentioned the $1.04 per litre.  We have recently had yet ANOTHER tax added
to most things, including gas.  To put it in perspective, when gas is now
$1.02 a litre, I jump on it and fill up, as that's somewhat of a "good"
price!  And I did mention that's regular, not the premium stuff, that the
W124 likes to drink.

Ed
300E, who curses the cost of gas during the drive to the beer store, only to
get smacked again!!  It's enough to drive someone to smoke, but of course,
after filling the tank, and getting a case of beer, there's no money left
for tobacco. hee hee

On 2 August 2010 22:47, Van Knutson  wrote:

> "E M" 
>
>
>
>
> To:
> "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>
>
> Hee hee, .57 a gallon.  Wait til I post some of the taxes we pay here in
> Canada, per LITRE, not per gallon.  We're not Europe, but that's not
> stopping those in power from trying to tax us like Europeans!!
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 
>
> You or someone like you mentioned gas was $1.04 / litre by you. For sake of
> argument lets say CanaBucks and AmeriBucks are a wash.   Then, if you do the
> math (3,78:1) that comes out to $3.93 / gallon.   Gas prices in the US
> briefly touched $4/gal two summers ago, and we damn near hada second
> revolution over it.  Geez.  Soft life here, I guess.
>
> DBV, taxman information minister
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

"E M" 




To: 
"Mercedes Discussion List" 


Hee hee, .57 a gallon.  Wait til I post some of the taxes we pay here in
Canada, per LITRE, not per gallon.  We're not Europe, but that's not
stopping those in power from trying to tax us like Europeans!!

Ed
300E
 

 
You or someone like you mentioned gas was $1.04 / litre by you. For sake of 
argument lets say CanaBucks and AmeriBucks are a wash.   Then, if you do the 
math (3,78:1) that comes out to $3.93 / gallon.   Gas prices in the US briefly 
touched $4/gal two summers ago, and we damn near hada second revolution over 
it.  Geez.  Soft life here, I guess.
 
DBV, taxman information minister



  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

they tax more for diesel in OK as well.

Van Knutson wrote:

"Mercedes Discussion List" 


They label the gas at my station here in Canada, and they also label the
cost breakdown of what you're paying per litre.  Raw oil, processing,
various TAXES, and profits.

For anyone who thinks the oil companies make too much money per gallon of
gas, read up on what the governments take of that same gallon is!!

Ed
300E

**
Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to discriminate 
between gas and diesel.
Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
 
Wis example: 18.4 (Fed) + 51.3 (WI) = $ 0.697 / gal.

For you fureners, that comes out to $0.18 USD per liter.
 
It is also notable that some states tax MORE for diesel than gas.  Wisconsin charges 6 cents more (57.3)... This is our thanks for using energy efficient diesel?  With new low sulfur formulation, the feds can no longer accuse us of fouling the air any more than gas.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Mitch Haley]

Van Knutson wrote:

Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to discriminate 
between gas and diesel.
Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx


Federal Excise tax on diesel is 24.4 cents, but I think you can get 6 cents off 
for heavy duty on road trucks. Off road business use can get it back on the 
income tax return.


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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

Hee hee, .57 a gallon.  Wait til I post some of the taxes we pay here in
Canada, per LITRE, not per gallon.  We're not Europe, but that's not
stopping those in power from trying to tax us like Europeans!!

Ed
300E

On 2 August 2010 13:16, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This explains why I am taking the Dogde van to the peoples democratic
> republic of WI tomorrow.  By the time you get to north WI, both gas and
> Diesel are $0.30/gal higher than the rest of the country.  It is cheaper to
> run the van than the SDL in those conditions.  $.57 a gallon is a ridiculous
> fuel tax.
>
> I have the van tweaked to where it is almost as good for long trips as the
> SDL.
>
> Once again I mourn the 2007 Grand Caravan which was promised to have an MB
> Diesel ala Der Sprinter.
>
>
>
>
>> **
>> Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to
>> discriminate between gas and diesel.
>> Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
>> http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>>
>> Wis example: 18.4 (Fed) + 51.3 (WI) = $ 0.697 / gal.
>> For you fureners, that comes out to $0.18 USD per liter.
>>
>> It is also notable that some states tax MORE for diesel than gas.
>> Wisconsin charges 6 cents more (57.3)... This is our thanks for using energy
>> efficient diesel?  With new low sulfur formulation, the feds can no longer
>> accuse us of fouling the air any more than gas.
>>
>> DBV, we aint gonna take is information minister
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Dieselhead]

This explains why I am taking the Dogde van to the peoples democratic 
republic of WI tomorrow.  By the time you get to north WI, both gas 
and Diesel are $0.30/gal higher than the rest of the country.  It is 
cheaper to run the van than the SDL in those conditions.  $.57 a 
gallon is a ridiculous fuel tax.


I have the van tweaked to where it is almost as good for long trips as the SDL.

Once again I mourn the 2007 Grand Caravan which was promised to have 
an MB Diesel ala Der Sprinter.





**
Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to 
discriminate between gas and diesel.

Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx

Wis example: 18.4 (Fed) + 51.3 (WI) = $ 0.697 / gal.
For you fureners, that comes out to $0.18 USD per liter.

It is also notable that some states tax MORE for diesel than gas. 
Wisconsin charges 6 cents more (57.3)... This is our thanks for 
using energy efficient diesel?  With new low sulfur formulation, the 
feds can no longer accuse us of fouling the air any more than gas.


DBV, we aint gonna take is information minister



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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

I'll pay attention at next gas up, and post how they break it down here.
Regular today, is $1.04 per litre, and diesel a bit less.  Up until a few
months ago, diesel was equal, or a bit more than regular.

Ed
300E, fed the good stuff. ;-)

On 2 August 2010 12:17, Van Knutson  wrote:

> "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>
>
> They label the gas at my station here in Canada, and they also label the
> cost breakdown of what you're paying per litre.  Raw oil, processing,
> various TAXES, and profits.
>
> For anyone who thinks the oil companies make too much money per gallon of
> gas, read up on what the governments take of that same gallon is!!
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> **
> Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to
> discriminate between gas and diesel.
> Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
> http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
>
> Wis example: 18.4 (Fed) + 51.3 (WI) = $ 0.697 / gal.
> For you fureners, that comes out to $0.18 USD per liter.
>
> It is also notable that some states tax MORE for diesel than gas.
> Wisconsin charges 6 cents more (57.3)... This is our thanks for using energy
> efficient diesel?  With new low sulfur formulation, the feds can no longer
> accuse us of fouling the air any more than gas.
>
> DBV, we aint gonna take is information minister
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

"Mercedes Discussion List" 


They label the gas at my station here in Canada, and they also label the
cost breakdown of what you're paying per litre.  Raw oil, processing,
various TAXES, and profits.

For anyone who thinks the oil companies make too much money per gallon of
gas, read up on what the governments take of that same gallon is!!

Ed
300E

**
Federal (US) tax per gallon is 18.4 cents.  It does not appear to discriminate 
between gas and diesel.
Source for all 50 states, not just wisconsin:
http://wisconsingasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
 
Wis example: 18.4 (Fed) + 51.3 (WI) = $ 0.697 / gal.
For you fureners, that comes out to $0.18 USD per liter.
 
It is also notable that some states tax MORE for diesel than gas.  Wisconsin 
charges 6 cents more (57.3)... This is our thanks for using energy efficient 
diesel?  With new low sulfur formulation, the feds can no longer accuse us of 
fouling the air any more than gas.
 
DBV, we aint gonna take is information minister


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

They label the gas at my station here in Canada, and they also label the
cost breakdown of what you're paying per litre.  Raw oil, processing,
various TAXES, and profits.

For anyone who thinks the oil companies make too much money per gallon of
gas, read up on what the governments take of that same gallon is!!

Ed
300E

On 2 August 2010 10:12, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> E M wrote:
>
>> In the fuel I use, premium is 100% gas, midgrade is cut with upto to 5%,
>> and
>> regular is cut with up to 10%.
>>
>
> Usually the station has two gas tanks, and mixes the midgrade at the pump,
> so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is many states, like Michigan,
> Indiana, and Ohio, not requiring the pump to be labeled for alcohol content.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Mitch Haley]

E M wrote:

In the fuel I use, premium is 100% gas, midgrade is cut with upto to 5%, and
regular is cut with up to 10%.


Usually the station has two gas tanks, and mixes the midgrade at the pump, so 
that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is many states, like Michigan, 
Indiana, and Ohio, not requiring the pump to be labeled for alcohol content.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

In the fuel I use, premium is 100% gas, midgrade is cut with upto to 5%, and
regular is cut with up to 10%.

Ed
300E

On 2 August 2010 08:30, Tim C  wrote:

> In some states it is different.  In NC, you don't have to label until
> you cross 15%, and maybe not even then.  Found this helpful list,
> which may or may not be accurate but at least has been updated in the
> past year:
> http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html
>
> There is a station that advertises "No Ethanol" on I-85, but I don't
> get up that way often.  And as long as they don't start cutting diesel
> I probably won't, I don't like the Ford that much... :)
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Van Knutson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure about gas where you buy it, but here, most premium is all gas,
> > where the lower grades are cut with ethynol (sp).  It doesn't have the
> same
> > bang for the buck per gallon, so when you factor all things, in, I'm not
> > sure how much cheaper running regular really is.  I personally just
> follow
> > the manual.  Run premium where it says to, and regular in the cars that
> were
> > made for it.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > I dunno, but in the Peoples' Republic of Wisconsin, the "10% Ethanol"
> sign just appears smack in the middle of the pump, with no indication that
> it does not apply to higher grades.  I am sure we get booze in our gas no
> matter what grade.
> >
> > DBV, could be wrong, was wrong before but still good looking information
> minister
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Tim C]

In some states it is different.  In NC, you don't have to label until
you cross 15%, and maybe not even then.  Found this helpful list,
which may or may not be accurate but at least has been updated in the
past year:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html

There is a station that advertises "No Ethanol" on I-85, but I don't
get up that way often.  And as long as they don't start cutting diesel
I probably won't, I don't like the Ford that much... :)

-Tim


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Van Knutson  wrote:
>
> Not sure about gas where you buy it, but here, most premium is all gas,
> where the lower grades are cut with ethynol (sp).  It doesn't have the same
> bang for the buck per gallon, so when you factor all things, in, I'm not
> sure how much cheaper running regular really is.  I personally just follow
> the manual.  Run premium where it says to, and regular in the cars that were
> made for it.
>
> ***
>
> I dunno, but in the Peoples' Republic of Wisconsin, the "10% Ethanol" sign 
> just appears smack in the middle of the pump, with no indication that it does 
> not apply to higher grades.  I am sure we get booze in our gas no matter what 
> grade.
>
> DBV, could be wrong, was wrong before but still good looking information 
> minister
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

 
Not sure about gas where you buy it, but here, most premium is all gas,
where the lower grades are cut with ethynol (sp).  It doesn't have the same
bang for the buck per gallon, so when you factor all things, in, I'm not
sure how much cheaper running regular really is.  I personally just follow
the manual.  Run premium where it says to, and regular in the cars that were
made for it.
 
***
 
I dunno, but in the Peoples' Republic of Wisconsin, the "10% Ethanol" sign just 
appears smack in the middle of the pump, with no indication that it does not 
apply to higher grades.  I am sure we get booze in our gas no matter what grade.
 
DBV, could be wrong, was wrong before but still good looking information 
minister

 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol or not in MB engines + Oz Diesels?

[Hendrik & Fay]

When I say "same" I meant in the design of the motors, SOHC, two valves 
per pot, etc, etc. The 102 was designed long before the 103 and I doubt 
that it is "a little technically advanced in design compared to a 103" 
or did MB decide to go backwards when they came up with the 103?
There is some weirdness in the way MB do things, like keep the M110 
motor going until the mid eighties, go to SOHC and then back to DOHC.


To save me writing another email, I shall answer the question as to 
whether we got the OM line of motors in the passenger cars, yes we did 
but no turbos and only in the W and S chassis, not the C chassis or S class.
Diesels where not that popular as engines in passenger cars (different 
story in the 4x4 market), they are getting more widespread since the CDI 
technology came along.
A lot of Farmers bought the Diesel Mercs but when you are paying three 
times the going rate for a car you tend to not worry about fuel costs.


Hendrik

Peter Frederick wrote:
There are two sizes of M103 -- 2.6L and 3.0L, so I would guess one has smaller bores that the usual 102, and the other is the same for the 3.0L.  


Peter


-Original Message-
  

From: Robert Bigham 
Sent: Dec 30, 2009 2:05 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?





  3. Ethanol or not? (Max Dillon)
  7. Re: E10 (relng...@aol.com)
  8. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (OK Don)

--
  
If they're advertising "No ethanol", I suppose it pretty nearly has to be true. Salut!  


New and newish pumps around here, including Exxon, all say "Contains 10% Ethanol", 
sometimes they also say "by volume".

Hendrik is correct that there are many 102 engines, and several compression ratios.  The differences are in the pistons and the head.  102.980 is European, British (UK), and most of rest of world, has pop-up pistons, and does indeed have 9.0 to 1 compression, which I believe is as high as MBZ attained on Engine 102.  Zoom zoom.  Other 102's I have seen have flat top or similar two-level top pistons. 


I believe the highest compression on any other 102 engine is 8.0 or 8.5 to 1 0n 
102.961 and/or possibly 102.965. I think I could look it up if it were vital to 
get it correct.

Engine 103 is not just Engine 102 with two more cylinders.  102 has 2,399 cc displacement = about 600 cc per cylinder.  Engine 103 has about 2,800 cc displacement (they are rare around here, as is Engine 102) = about 467 cc per cylinder.  Some 102 and 103 parts do interchange, so the difference may be in part one of scale on the rotating assembly.  I think the timing components interchange.  Don't bet the rent on that, though.  




Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:01:17 +1030
From: Hendrik & Fay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?

FAIK the 103 is the same as the 102 but has two more pistons and more 
get up and go.
Also compression in the 102 is not the same, UK motors have higher comp 
than the Oz models.


Hendrik

Robert Bigham wrote:
  
My 1983 123.223 has 9.0 to 1 compression on 102.980 (Euro and Rest of World Specification) engine.  Has Bosch CIS not CIS-E injection.  Marked on body at fuel cap "BLEIFREI SUPER."  Book says use 93 RON (Research Octane?). For a long time I ran 92 octane (R+M)/2.  Finally I said what the hey and tried 87 (R+M/2).  Timing set per book.  

No problems whatsoever.  27 mpg on highway 80 mph and less.  20-22 mpg in general driving mostly in town lots of starts and stops.  Top speed well exceeds 105 mph indicated. I understand 120 mph indicated is close. I haven't tried it. 


FWIW I think the 102 engine may be a little technically advanced in design 
compared to a 103.  Maybe not.  Has hemispherical combustion chambers, sohc 
with long rocker arms, and I think canted valves.  I know my 102.980 hung the 
moon in my book.  Zoom
zoom at all of you.  




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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?

[Peter Frederick]

There are two sizes of M103 -- 2.6L and 3.0L, so I would guess one has smaller 
bores that the usual 102, and the other is the same for the 3.0L.  

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Robert Bigham 
>Sent: Dec 30, 2009 2:05 PM
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?
>
>
>
>>   3. Ethanol or not? (Max Dillon)
>>   7. Re: E10 (relng...@aol.com)
>>   8. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (OK Don)
>>
>>--
>If they're advertising "No ethanol", I suppose it pretty nearly has to be 
>true. Salut!  
>
>New and newish pumps around here, including Exxon, all say "Contains 10% 
>Ethanol", sometimes they also say "by volume".
>
>Hendrik is correct that there are many 102 engines, and several compression 
>ratios.  The differences are in the pistons and the head.  102.980 is 
>European, British (UK), and most of rest of world, has pop-up pistons, and 
>does indeed have 9.0 to 1 compression, which I believe is as high as MBZ 
>attained on Engine 102.  Zoom zoom.  Other 102's I have seen have flat top or 
>similar two-level top pistons. 
>
>I believe the highest compression on any other 102 engine is 8.0 or 8.5 to 1 
>0n 102.961 and/or possibly 102.965. I think I could look it up if it were 
>vital to get it correct.
>
>Engine 103 is not just Engine 102 with two more cylinders.  102 has 2,399 cc 
>displacement = about 600 cc per cylinder.  Engine 103 has about 2,800 cc 
>displacement (they are rare around here, as is Engine 102) = about 467 cc per 
>cylinder.  Some 102 and 103 parts do interchange, so the difference may be in 
>part one of scale on the rotating assembly.  I think the timing components 
>interchange.  Don't bet the rent on that, though.  
>
>>--
>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:59 -0500
>>From: "Max Dillon" 
>>Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?
>>
>>FWIW, there is a station here in Charleston with a big sign proclaiming
>>ethanol-free gasoline is sold.  I think it is an Exxon station.  It is on
>>North Rivers Ave, near the intersection with Aviation Ave.
>>
>>- Max
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>>On Behalf Of Robert Bigham
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:14 PM
>>Subject: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>>
>>
>>My 1983 123.223 has 9.0 to 1 compression on 102.980 (Euro and Rest of World
>>Specification) engine.  Has Bosch CIS not CIS-E injection.  Marked on body
>>at fuel cap "BLEIFREI SUPER."  Book says use 93 RON (Research Octane?). For
>>a long time I ran 92 octane (R+M)/2.  Finally I said what the hey and tried
>>87 (R+M/2).  Timing set per book.  
>>
>>No problems whatsoever.  27 mpg on highway 80 mph and less.  20-22 mpg in
>>general driving mostly in town lots of starts and stops.  Top speed well
>>exceeds 105 mph indicated. I understand 120 mph indicated is close. I
>>haven't tried it. 
>>
>>FWIW I think the 102 engine may be a little technically advanced in design
>>compared to a 103.  Maybe not.  Has hemispherical combustion chambers, sohc
>>with long rocker arms, and I think canted valves.  I know my 102.980 hung
>>the moon in my book.  Zoom
>>zoom at all of you.  
>>
>>Yesterday a 123 (diesel?) that must have been going at least 90 mph on
>>Interstate 20 in Fort Worth came up behind me, passed, and continued off
>>into the distance.  Perhaps no Zoom zoom at him.
>>
>>And I'm pretty sure there's no pump gasoline now that doesn't contain 10%
>>ethanol, which ought to allow slightly higher compression, regardless of
>>octane rating. I know there doesn't seem to be any without ethanol around
>>here in Texas, and we make the stuff (gasoline,that is). Racing fuel has all
>>the goodies and OMG the price.  
>>
>>Blame the ethanol on others.  I doubt there are many real problems
>>associated with 10% ethanol and Benz 102 or 103 engines.
>>
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:46:15 -0500
>>>From: "LarryT" 
>>>>Message: 14
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:49:34 -0500
>>>>
>>>You asked << fuel with ethanol in a '91 300E>>
>>>I think the question is moot - can you buy fuel *without* 10% E?
>>>
>>>LarryT
>>>91 300D
>>>
>>Message: 5
>>Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:01:17 +1030
>>From: Hendrik & Fay 
>>Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?

[Robert Bigham]

>   3. Ethanol or not? (Max Dillon)
>   7. Re: E10 (relng...@aol.com)
>   8. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (OK Don)
>
>--
If they're advertising "No ethanol", I suppose it pretty nearly has to be true. 
Salut!  

New and newish pumps around here, including Exxon, all say "Contains 10% 
Ethanol", sometimes they also say "by volume".

Hendrik is correct that there are many 102 engines, and several compression 
ratios.  The differences are in the pistons and the head.  102.980 is European, 
British (UK), and most of rest of world, has pop-up pistons, and does indeed 
have 9.0 to 1 compression, which I believe is as high as MBZ attained on Engine 
102.  Zoom zoom.  Other 102's I have seen have flat top or similar two-level 
top pistons. 

I believe the highest compression on any other 102 engine is 8.0 or 8.5 to 1 0n 
102.961 and/or possibly 102.965. I think I could look it up if it were vital to 
get it correct.

Engine 103 is not just Engine 102 with two more cylinders.  102 has 2,399 cc 
displacement = about 600 cc per cylinder.  Engine 103 has about 2,800 cc 
displacement (they are rare around here, as is Engine 102) = about 467 cc per 
cylinder.  Some 102 and 103 parts do interchange, so the difference may be in 
part one of scale on the rotating assembly.  I think the timing components 
interchange.  Don't bet the rent on that, though.  

>--
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:59 -0500
>From: "Max Dillon" 
>Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol or not?
>
>FWIW, there is a station here in Charleston with a big sign proclaiming
>ethanol-free gasoline is sold.  I think it is an Exxon station.  It is on
>North Rivers Ave, near the intersection with Aviation Ave.
>
>- Max
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>On Behalf Of Robert Bigham
>Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:14 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>
>
>My 1983 123.223 has 9.0 to 1 compression on 102.980 (Euro and Rest of World
>Specification) engine.  Has Bosch CIS not CIS-E injection.  Marked on body
>at fuel cap "BLEIFREI SUPER."  Book says use 93 RON (Research Octane?). For
>a long time I ran 92 octane (R+M)/2.  Finally I said what the hey and tried
>87 (R+M/2).  Timing set per book.  
>
>No problems whatsoever.  27 mpg on highway 80 mph and less.  20-22 mpg in
>general driving mostly in town lots of starts and stops.  Top speed well
>exceeds 105 mph indicated. I understand 120 mph indicated is close. I
>haven't tried it. 
>
>FWIW I think the 102 engine may be a little technically advanced in design
>compared to a 103.  Maybe not.  Has hemispherical combustion chambers, sohc
>with long rocker arms, and I think canted valves.  I know my 102.980 hung
>the moon in my book.  Zoom
>zoom at all of you.  
>
>Yesterday a 123 (diesel?) that must have been going at least 90 mph on
>Interstate 20 in Fort Worth came up behind me, passed, and continued off
>into the distance.  Perhaps no Zoom zoom at him.
>
>And I'm pretty sure there's no pump gasoline now that doesn't contain 10%
>ethanol, which ought to allow slightly higher compression, regardless of
>octane rating. I know there doesn't seem to be any without ethanol around
>here in Texas, and we make the stuff (gasoline,that is). Racing fuel has all
>the goodies and OMG the price.  
>
>Blame the ethanol on others.  I doubt there are many real problems
>associated with 10% ethanol and Benz 102 or 103 engines.
>
>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:46:15 -0500
>>From: "LarryT" 
>>>Message: 14
>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:49:34 -0500
>>>
>>You asked << fuel with ethanol in a '91 300E>>
>>I think the question is moot - can you buy fuel *without* 10% E?
>>
>>LarryT
>>91 300D
>>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:01:17 +1030
>From: Hendrik & Fay 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>
>FAIK the 103 is the same as the 102 but has two more pistons and more 
>get up and go.
>Also compression in the 102 is not the same, UK motors have higher comp 
>than the Oz models.
>
>Hendrik
>
>Robert Bigham wrote:
>> My 1983 123.223 has 9.0 to 1 compression on 102.980 (Euro and Rest of World 
>> Specification) engine.  Has Bosch CIS not CIS-E injection.  Marked on body 
>> at fuel cap "BLEIFREI SUPER."  Book says use 93 RON (Research Octane?). For 
>> a long time I ran 92 octane (R+M)/2.  Finally I said what the hey and tried 
>> 87 (R+M/2).  Timing set per bo

[MBZ] Ethanol or not?

[Max Dillon]

FWIW, there is a station here in Charleston with a big sign proclaiming
ethanol-free gasoline is sold.  I think it is an Exxon station.  It is on
North Rivers Ave, near the intersection with Aviation Ave.

- Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Bigham
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:14 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?


My 1983 123.223 has 9.0 to 1 compression on 102.980 (Euro and Rest of World
Specification) engine.  Has Bosch CIS not CIS-E injection.  Marked on body
at fuel cap "BLEIFREI SUPER."  Book says use 93 RON (Research Octane?). For
a long time I ran 92 octane (R+M)/2.  Finally I said what the hey and tried
87 (R+M/2).  Timing set per book.  

No problems whatsoever.  27 mpg on highway 80 mph and less.  20-22 mpg in
general driving mostly in town lots of starts and stops.  Top speed well
exceeds 105 mph indicated. I understand 120 mph indicated is close. I
haven't tried it. 

FWIW I think the 102 engine may be a little technically advanced in design
compared to a 103.  Maybe not.  Has hemispherical combustion chambers, sohc
with long rocker arms, and I think canted valves.  I know my 102.980 hung
the moon in my book.  Zoom
zoom at all of you.  

Yesterday a 123 (diesel?) that must have been going at least 90 mph on
Interstate 20 in Fort Worth came up behind me, passed, and continued off
into the distance.  Perhaps no Zoom zoom at him.

And I'm pretty sure there's no pump gasoline now that doesn't contain 10%
ethanol, which ought to allow slightly higher compression, regardless of
octane rating. I know there doesn't seem to be any without ethanol around
here in Texas, and we make the stuff (gasoline,that is). Racing fuel has all
the goodies and OMG the price.  

Blame the ethanol on others.  I doubt there are many real problems
associated with 10% ethanol and Benz 102 or 103 engines.

>   9. Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (OK Don)
>  10. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (Dieselhead)
>  11. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (OK Don)
>  12. Re: Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not? (Mitch Haley)

>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:15:48 -0600
>From: OK Don 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>
>What is the general thought on fuel with ethanol in a '91 300E?
>
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:04:42 -0600
>From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>
>10% blend worked fine in our 230TE  M103  Being a Euro tuned engine, 
>I think it has higher compression than US models.
>
>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>Message-ID:
>
>No issues with disolving seals, etc. in the fuel system?
>
>On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 10% blend worked fine in our 230TE  M103  Being a Euro tuned engine, I
>> think it has higher compression than US models.
>>
>>
>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:38:52 -0500
>From: Mitch Haley 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel for a 103 Vergasser engine? Ethanol or not?
>
>
>OK Don wrote:
>> No issues with disolving seals, etc. in the fuel system?
>
>I never had any issues in my 1977 SAAB with Bosch CIS running E10 in the 
>mid-late 1980s. Anything made after about 1985 should have been built with
E10 
>in mind.
>
>Mitch.
>
>>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:46:15 -0500
>From: "LarryT" 
>>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:49:34 -0500
>>
>You asked << fuel with ethanol in a '91 300E>>
>I think the question is moot - can you buy fuel *without* 10% E?
>
>LarryT
>91 300D
>


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Re: [MBZ] ethanol industry seeks bigger subsidy

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> > Then we should at least have an option  of E10 at the pump.
> 
> I want to go back to seeing all pumps plainly labeled.
> 
> I can run avgas in my chain saws, but any car I own newer than
> a 1977 Saab shouldn't have leaded gas in it.

Yeah!!

I _never_EVER_ put leaded gasoline in _any_ of my
Mercedes diesels! 

heh.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] ethanol industry seeks bigger subsidy

[Allan Streib]

L Mark Finch  writes:

> An ethanol advocacy group says cars built since 2001 should be able to
> burn a 15% blend with no problem. That isn't reassuring to those of us
> whose vehicles were manufactured in the 1990s or before.

Another reason to stick with the klatta klatta I guess.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] ethanol industry seeks bigger subsidy

[Mitch Haley]

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Then we should at least have an option  of E10 at the pump.


I want to go back to seeing all pumps plainly labeled.

I can run avgas in my chain saws, but any car I own newer than a 1977 Saab 
shouldn't have leaded gas in it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ethanol industry seeks bigger subsidy

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Then we should at least have an option  of E10 at the pump.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, L Mark Finch  wrote:

An ethanol advocacy group says cars built since 2001 should be able to burn
a 15% blend with no problem. That isn't reassuring to those of us whose
vehicles were manufactured in the 1990s or before.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/12/ethanol-blend-15-percent/
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[MBZ] ethanol industry seeks bigger subsidy

[L Mark Finch]

An ethanol advocacy group says cars built since 2001 should be able to burn
a 15% blend with no problem. That isn't reassuring to those of us whose
vehicles were manufactured in the 1990s or before.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/12/ethanol-blend-15-percent/
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol WAS: I hate small engines

[Loren Faeth]

This was a lawnmower/small engine shop.   They have them for sale.


At 08:49 PM 7/5/2009, you wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:27:36 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> The guy at the dealer suggested putting a small inline screen in the gas
> line.  So simple, why didn't I think of that?  probly because when i
> was learning engines, the only fuel screens to be found were the car
> type inline can filters, and those are too big for lawnmowers.  NOW
> they sell small filters.

Where? At FLAPS?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol WAS: I hate small engines

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


Where? At FLAPS?


There are genuine Briggs & Stratton clear plastic filters with paper elements 
for under $5 at the small engine shops, or you could just get one from FLAPS if 
you can find one that fits the fuel line. A OM617 prefilter would be better than 
nothing. (but unless you're getting a big chunk of dirt holding the float needle 
open, I don't see how it would make your engine run rich, so I was working on 
the assumption that your float was sinking)


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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol WAS: I hate small engines

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:27:36 -0500 Loren Faeth 
wrote:

> The guy at the dealer suggested putting a small inline screen in the gas
> line.  So simple, why didn't I think of that?  probly because when i
> was learning engines, the only fuel screens to be found were the car
> type inline can filters, and those are too big for lawnmowers.  NOW
> they sell small filters.

Where? At FLAPS?


Craig

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[MBZ] Ethanol WAS: I hate small engines

[Loren Faeth]

I think you folks are spreading BS about E10 gasoline.  I have been 
using it for 30+ years with no problems in vehicles and small 
engines.Small engines in most cases don't have any fuel 
screen.  They just dump any dirt right into the carb, and that makes 
them run bad.  So lets blame the ethanol in the gasoline.  How many 
of you used to dump Heet into your tank?  Whaddya think that is?  It 
ain't sugar syrup!


The GASOLINE available now is garbage compared to 30-40 years 
ago.  in every small engine,  you need to either run the carb dry or 
add Stabil if it is going to sit more than a week or 2.  I run my 
chainsaw out of gas before I store it.  If I have to dump gas out of 
it, I start it and let the saw run out of gas after emptying the 
tank.  Same for every small engine I have.  My chainsaw is at least 
20 years old, and I took it to the shop this spring because I twisted 
the bar, so I had him sharpen the chain and clean out the tank and 
carb while it was there.  That was the FIRST time it has ever been worked on.


I had a 30 year old lawn boy that was never worked on.  I finally 
broke down and bought a new one because they wouldn't sell me a new 
bag attachment for the old one.  Even though the old one was 2 cycle, 
it ALWAYS started, because I ran it out of gas each fall.  Guess 
what, the new one does not start as easily as the old one did.


 Want a briggs?  OK, I think they are POS, but I have a chipper with 
a briggs.  It is 12-14 years old.  Same thing.  Always starts, but I 
have had to take the bowl off twice because of dirt.  The dust from 
chipping always seems to get into the tank, and then to the 
carb.  This spring I had to buy a new bowl gasket because the 
original one came out in pieces.  The guy at the dealer suggested 
putting a small inline screen in the gas line.  So simple, why didn't 
I think of that?  probly because when i was learning engines, the 
only fuel screens to be found were the car type inline can filters, 
and those are too big for lawnmowers.  NOW they sell small filters.


SO go ahead, and believe ethanol messes up your carb.  Pigs can fly 
too.  And Mercedes get 50 to 60 MPG, just look on fleabay.





Yes, my lawn mower ash been acting up too since ethanol. I spray a few shots
of carb cleaner in every tank of fuel.


Loren Faeth 



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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Scott Ritchey]

Barry

Thanks.  I'll save your post for the next time I mess up one of these with
old gas.

Scott

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Stark
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 14:31
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

Scott -
It has been a few years since I have worked on many of those "pumper" carbs
but as far as adjustments to the needle and seat, the parts that you would
call the "float valve" in a float type carb, when you have it assembled to
the point that you can view the needle seat relationship, the lever that
bears on the needle should typically be parallel to the body of the carb.
The last time I fixed a chain saw that had been sitting till the gas turned,
the problem was simply that needle was stuck closed by varnish. A good
cleaning and it worked fine. Sometimes the diaphragms just get dried out and
crack. Gotta make sure there are no perforations or tears. You also need to
make sure that the hoses are good or they may be sucking air. The reason
that these carbs are often referred to as "pumper" carbs on the 2 strokes is
that they have an extra diaphragm that uses a pulse from crankcase pressure
to act as a fuel pump. Can't have any leaking gaskets. You need to make sure
that you have cleaned the passages to the high speed and idle fuel circuits
as well. Screw those adjustment screws in all the way making note of how
many turns. Don't force the adjustment screws, just lightly bottom them.
After you have verified clean passages and reassembled, open the two screws
about the same place and add about a half a turn more open and final adjust
after the engine is running. BTW, you don't really want to run 2 stroke
engines out of pre-mix fuel in an attempt to empty the carb because the oil
is in the fuel so you are running the engine out of lube as well. You'll
probably never get all the fuel out of a diaphragm carb anyway, the engine
will starve and quit before that happens.

Barry





On engines
with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb
dry between uses and that helps too.

On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw
or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special
tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts.
Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs?

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> What do you use to stabilize your fuel stabilizer?

Classic.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Curt Raymond]

I quit using Sta-bil when a big bottle of it went bad... It "congealed" for 
lack of a better word and little black clumps started to float in it. What do 
you use to stabilize your fuel stabilizer?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:34:32 -0400
From: "Scott Ritchey" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

I don't think this has that much to do with ethanol but it does seem worse
with recent fuels.  With several small engines, I now add STABIL to the
Jerry Can as I fill it at the pump and this seems to help a lot.  On engines
with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb
dry between uses and that helps too.

On gummed-up float-bowl type carbs I have had much success by removing and
cleaning the main jet (usually built into the screw that holds the float
bowl).  

On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw
or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special
tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts.
Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs?

Scott


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Curt Raymond]

Not a bad idea, otherwise use a good stabilizer (NOT sta-bil) and use it often. 
I've got some stuff from the POR-15 people that seems to be really good stuff. 
I judge based on how easily the motorcycles start in the spring. None of 3 gave 
me a hint of trouble this year (well my CB900f is a cold blooded bitch but 
thats normal) so it must be good stuff.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:37:03 + (UTC)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
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My
Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to
school with the money made on plugged & destroyed carbs on small
engines that sit 6 months. Several manufacturers specificly do not
warrantee such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the
risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Barry Stark]

Scott -
It has been a few years since I have worked on many of those "pumper" carbs
but as far as adjustments to the needle and seat, the parts that you would
call the "float valve" in a float type carb, when you have it assembled to
the point that you can view the needle seat relationship, the lever that
bears on the needle should typically be parallel to the body of the carb.
The last time I fixed a chain saw that had been sitting till the gas turned,
the problem was simply that needle was stuck closed by varnish. A good
cleaning and it worked fine. Sometimes the diaphragms just get dried out and
crack. Gotta make sure there are no perforations or tears. You also need to
make sure that the hoses are good or they may be sucking air. The reason
that these carbs are often referred to as "pumper" carbs on the 2 strokes is
that they have an extra diaphragm that uses a pulse from crankcase pressure
to act as a fuel pump. Can't have any leaking gaskets. You need to make sure
that you have cleaned the passages to the high speed and idle fuel circuits
as well. Screw those adjustment screws in all the way making note of how
many turns. Don't force the adjustment screws, just lightly bottom them.
After you have verified clean passages and reassembled, open the two screws
about the same place and add about a half a turn more open and final adjust
after the engine is running. BTW, you don't really want to run 2 stroke
engines out of pre-mix fuel in an attempt to empty the carb because the oil
is in the fuel so you are running the engine out of lube as well. You'll
probably never get all the fuel out of a diaphragm carb anyway, the engine
will starve and quit before that happens.

Barry





On engines
with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb
dry between uses and that helps too.

On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw
or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special
tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts.
Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs?

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Scott Ritchey]

I don't think this has that much to do with ethanol but it does seem worse
with recent fuels.  With several small engines, I now add STABIL to the
Jerry Can as I fill it at the pump and this seems to help a lot.  On engines
with a fuel shut-off (like my generator and lawn vac) I try to run the carb
dry between uses and that helps too.

On gummed-up float-bowl type carbs I have had much success by removing and
cleaning the main jet (usually built into the screw that holds the float
bowl).  

On the other hand, I've never fixed a diaphragm-type carb (like on chain saw
or blower) permanently despite several attempts; these may require special
tools to set the diaphragm or maybe I needed to actually replace parts.
Does anyone know the trick for these diaphragm carbs?

Scott

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:41
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol


This is nothing new - the RV business used to be a gold mine for us (we
don't do RVs anymore - thank G-d!) because people would just park them over
the winter and the carbs on the generators would get all gunked up when the
gas evaporated from the carb bowl.

It was like a migration - I'm sure the boating community sees the same thing
- as soon as the weather started to get nice in the spring, the RVs would be
lining up to see us.

While I still use my lawn tractor year 'round, I installed a shutoff valve
on the fuel line to the carb so I can shut off the fuel supply and run it
dry between seasons.

Dan

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, pm7...@comcast.net  wrote:

> From: pm7...@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:37 AM
> My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy
> tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made
> on plugged & destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6
> months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee
> such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the
> risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Peter Arnold 
> 
> Windsor, CT 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
> 
> To: "Diesel List" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol 
> 
> We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its
> been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much
> difference, except: 
> Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no
> matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider
> the environment they exist in. 
> 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar
> like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs.
> Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every
> snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and
> had zero issues. 
> 
> I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped
> with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every
> time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be
> easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since
> you could put the gas in the car with no worries. 
> 
> -Curt 
> 
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 
> From: Rich Thomas 
> 
> Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> Message-ID: <4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of
> the newer 
> Benzes "flex fuel"? Would increased ethanol content have
> any adverse 
> effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel
> systems? I 
> know around here the boaters are having fits with
> ethanol-laced fuels as 
> it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and
> systems. In 
> Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to "help" the
> local air 
> quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that
> much. Here in 
> Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. 
> 
>
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm
> 
> 
> --R 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[LWB250]

This is nothing new - the RV business used to be a gold mine for us (we don't 
do RVs anymore - thank G-d!) because people would just park them over the 
winter and the carbs on the generators would get all gunked up when the gas 
evaporated from the carb bowl.

It was like a migration - I'm sure the boating community sees the same thing - 
as soon as the weather started to get nice in the spring, the RVs would be 
lining up to see us.

While I still use my lawn tractor year 'round, I installed a shutoff valve on 
the fuel line to the carb so I can shut off the fuel supply and run it dry 
between seasons.

Dan

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, pm7...@comcast.net  wrote:

> From: pm7...@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:37 AM
> My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy
> tells me he's sending his kid to school with the money made
> on plugged & destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6
> months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee
> such damage. He now suggests that you run them dry as the
> risk is less that leaving the bowl full of 90% fuel. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Peter Arnold 
> 
> Windsor, CT 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
> 
> To: "Diesel List" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol 
> 
> We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its
> been that way for 3 or 4 years now. I've never noticed much
> difference, except: 
> Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no
> matter what you do which makes some sense if you consider
> the environment they exist in. 
> 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar
> like substance accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs.
> Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam per gallon of gas in every
> snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no exceptions and
> had zero issues. 
> 
> I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped
> with a similar strategy or by draining all the gas every
> time they put the boat up for a couple days. That'd be
> easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile since
> you could put the gas in the car with no worries. 
> 
> -Curt 
> 
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 
> From: Rich Thomas 
> 
> Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> 
> Message-ID: <4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of
> the newer 
> Benzes "flex fuel"? Would increased ethanol content have
> any adverse 
> effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel
> systems? I 
> know around here the boaters are having fits with
> ethanol-laced fuels as 
> it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and
> systems. In 
> Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to "help" the
> local air 
> quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that
> much. Here in 
> Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. 
> 
> http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm
> 
> 
> --R 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[pm7088]

My Connecticut lawnmower repair guy tells me he's sending his kid to school 
with the money made on plugged & destroyed carbs on small engines that sit 6 
months. Several manufacturers specificly do not warrantee such damage. He now 
suggests that you run them dry as the risk is less that leaving the bowl full 
of 90% fuel. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond"  
To: "Diesel List"  
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:05:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol 

We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 
or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except: 
Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which 
makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in. 
2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance 
accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam 
per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no 
exceptions and had zero issues. 

I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar 
strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a 
couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile 
since you could put the gas in the car with no worries. 

-Curt 

Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400 
From: Rich Thomas  
Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Message-ID: <4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 

Daughter found this article, quite interesting. Are any of the newer 
Benzes "flex fuel"? Would increased ethanol content have any adverse 
effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems? I 
know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as 
it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems. In 
Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to "help" the local air 
quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much. Here in 
Charleston I think it has some but not 10%. 

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm 

--R 



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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Curt Raymond]

We get 10% ethanol in all our gas here in New England. Its been that way for 3 
or 4 years now. I've never noticed much difference, except:
Snowmobiles tend to accumulate moisture in the gas no matter what you do which 
makes some sense if you consider the environment they exist in.
 2 years ago I had a terrible problem with a brown sugar like substance 
accumulating in the fuel filters and carbs. Last winter I put 2oz of SeaFoam 
per gallon of gas in every snowmobile I owned every time I added gas no 
exceptions and had zero issues.

I imagine boaters have similar problems and might be helped with a similar 
strategy or by draining all the gas every time they put the boat up for a 
couple days. That'd be easier in a 4 stroke boat than a 2 stroke snowmobile 
since you could put the gas in the car with no worries.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:41:31 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
Subject: [MBZ] Ethanol
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <4a1d34fb.6050...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Daughter found this article, quite interesting.  Are any of the newer 
Benzes "flex fuel"?  Would increased ethanol content have any adverse 
effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems?  I 
know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as 
it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems.  In 
Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to "help" the local air 
quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much.  Here in 
Charleston I think it has some but not 10%.

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm

--R


  
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[MBZ] Ethanol

[Rich Thomas]

Daughter found this article, quite interesting.  Are any of the newer 
Benzes "flex fuel"?  Would increased ethanol content have any adverse 
effects on newer (or older for that matter) engines/fuel systems?  I 
know around here the boaters are having fits with ethanol-laced fuels as 
it absorbs water and causes problems in boat motors and systems.  In 
Texas the fuel around Houston had 10% ethanol to "help" the local air 
quality, outside of the metro area it didn't have that much.  Here in 
Charleston I think it has some but not 10%.


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--R

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Smith, Todd]

Hello Jim,

Ethanol became the cause de jour during the '70s in the First Oil Crisis
because it was something that could be fermented in large quantity.  It
is not the best alcohol to work from since it absorbs water extremely
well and it causes problems with the normal petroleum distribution
infrastructure. 

The best alcohol to use for fuel is butanol since it has a 1:1
interchange was gasoline and doesn't have nearly the water or
infrastructure related problems.  In fact, an unmodified 1992 Buick Park
Avenue ran from the Northeast to St. Louis using industrial butanol with
right at 24MPG which is pretty good considering what that cars's normal
mileage is.

The problem with butanol is that in the 1950's cheap petrochemicals made
butanol fermentation less cost effective for everywhere but South Africa
that continued to ferment until the 1980's  The older Acetone, Butanol
and Ethanol (ABE) fermentation techniques only yield about half the
yield of butanol compared to a straight Ethanol fermentation.

There is a new two stage fermentation process that is said to push
yields into the standard yield for Ethanol but the process is still
being evaluated in Ohio

A good source is http://www.butanol.com/



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So why the focus on ethanol?  Why not methanol,
or any other weird blend of alcohols that is easy
to make?

-- Jim


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