Yes, WVO can vary from 0.5% to 3-5% acidity in the testing I have done.
Generally the thicker the WVO, the higher the acidity, and the longer
the WVO was used.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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On 5/28/2013 9:37 PM, G Mann wrote:
Little discussed it seems among
it would cost to have them
put it in. Williams Diesel in Ocala, Fl
Manfred
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:07:40 -0500
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
Documented proof WVO isn't good for an injection system.
Having an injection pump rebuilt
'You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice water?'
Update on cold water application - Dousing the injection pump when the car
would not start was successful! I tried it 5 different times during a no start
situation. After applying hose water for 30 to 60 seconds it started up
On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice water?'
Update on cold water application - Dousing the injection pump when the car
would not start was successful! I tried it 5 different times during a no
start
Mike Esh wrote:
'You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice water?'
Update on cold water application - Dousing the injection pump when the car
would not start was successful! I tried it 5 different times during a no start
situation. After applying hose water for 30 to 60
Time to rebuild or replace it.
If the pump is responding to the cold water test it's an indication of
internal wear to the point where it is time for a complete tear down and
bench rebuild, from my experience.
If I recall, this car is using cooking grease? It's been my experience most
recycled
(Thanks to Jim for the suggestion and easiest trouble shooting method
I have ever used. )
'tweren't my idea, I was just commenting on your seeming lack
of acceptance of whomever's idea to douse it with cold water
as a diagnostic measure. (It might have sailed by and been
missed.)
Does this
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'You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice water?'
Update on cold water application - Dousing the injection pump when the car
would
lube.
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'You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice
Little discussed it seems among the WVO crowd, but Vegetable oil used in
cooking becomes quite acidic. Many who use it, pay more attention to things
like filtering out the dead french fries and plastic fork bits, settling
and removing water, but little attention is given to the acid balance.
Food
is supposed to be a great lube.
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'You're looking for something _easier_ than
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
'You're looking for something _easier_ than a bucket of ice water?'
Update on cold water application - Dousing the injection pump when the
car
would not start was successful! I tried it 5 different times
I tried that a couple of times. It did not help and heard no vacuum.
Thanks,
Mike
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On May 22, 2013, at 01:14 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
Out of curiosity, pull the
O-rings have been replaced as well as the clear lines. Purchased thru Rusty
last year.
Thanks for the ideas.
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On May 22, 2013, at 01:17 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:
I have a Bosch outlet locally and I will try them if I run out of other
options.( I have asked them about the no hot start and they suggested the air
leak.
I will try the cold water test as soon as it warms up again. We are expecting low temps
of 35 to 40 degrees overnight and highs of 65
Yes, the clear pre-filter was full of fuel. I will pull vacuum hose and see what
happens. I have never adjusted the rack damper bolt, is there anything I need to
aware of so I do not make the situation worse
Michael E. Esh
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That is an interesting theory. I have a Frybrid vegoil system that I have been
using for about 35,000 miles. Most of the time if I shut down without purging
the the vegoil with diesel it starts. When I purge and try to restart with
diesel it does not start. I will try it when I get home
I have a Frybrid vegoil system
Oh. Should have reported that first. Pump damage advances in
probability, but so does an air leak. Check the switchover
mechanism.
Is there a way to test the pump while on the car, other than the cold
water test.
You're looking for something _easier_ than a
probably should have started out mentioning this,...
since it sounds like you have a problem when you switch to the
Diesel tank, that's a clue that you should look there.
basic; how's the fuel in the Diesel tank? fresh and uncontaminated?
if the fuel's good, it sounds like
I emailed them last year and they said to look for an air leak. I have not
discovered an air leak and I have gone through system multiple times. They
were not much help with this problem.
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Out of curiosity, pull the fuel cap off the diesel tank when it's hot...
(Severely restricted/plugged tank vent?)
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On May 22, 2013, at 12:49, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
I emailed them last year and they said
Also on the subject of leaks, replace the o-rings in the banjo bolt of the fuel
filter, and check the condition of all of the clear plastic fuel lines, or
their replacements.
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On May 22, 2013, at 12:49, Mike Esh
Is there a way to test the pump while on the car, other than the
cold water test.
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No. Only other test for IP is on a test bench at a Bosch fuel
injection service center familiar
Mike, what were you running on when it quit on the way to the airport?
If on the WVO system, then I don't see how the post below would apply.
From what I recall, your issue is generally when the engine is hot and
not on cold starts.
Does that not imply just the opposite? That the issue is with
Well it is summer again in Michigan and I am again having trouble starting my car after it has been driven for while.
The story:
Air temp of about 85 and I am driving my brother to the Grand Rapids airport from Whitehall MI.
About a 60 minute drive 95% expressway. I am running the air
Could this hot starting problem be caused the valves being
out of adjustment?
No, those result in COLD-starting problems. The valves get
tighter with age, and with cold.
Any suggestions are very welcome.
Your symptoms _scream_ air leak (into the fuel system) to me.
It doesn't take much air
What Jim said.
If you can't see any wet hoses:
Start with the two hose sections at the tank, above the axle.
Replace them. then move forward, and replace all the rubber hose
sections on both the suction and return lines. This includes the
small injector return lines.
If you see wet
What! 85 in MI already? Summer's over already!? ;)
Wilton
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From: Mike Esh michael...@mac.com
To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
Well it is summer again in Michigan and I am
WILTON wrote:
What! 85 in MI already? Summer's over already!? ;)
Yesterday was the hottest of the year so far, and the first time I ever ran A/C
in a house in May.
Mike, how old is your hand primer pump?
Mitch.
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Yes! Air can leak in around the primer pump also. Does it leak fuel
when you pump the primer? If so, add that to your Q2 order.
WILTON wrote:
What! 85 in MI already? Summer's over already!? ;)
Yesterday was the hottest of the year so far, and the first time I
ever ran A/C in a
New last year. New style as well. Pumping does not help it start.
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On May 21, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
WILTON wrote:
What! 85 in MI already? Summer's
Mike Esh wrote:
(primer pump) New last year. New style as well. Pumping does not help it
start.
Grasping at straws, but was the clear prefilter full of fuel?
I wonder what would happen if you loosened the rack damper bolt and/or pulled
off the hose to the vacuum shutoff solenoid.
Mitch.
Next time it does it, try pouring cold water over the injector pump. If it
then starts right up, problem identified. IP is dying and the heat of
summer adds to the clearances internal.
Cooling it down closes up the worn tolerances and let's it run again. I'm
betting going down the road on the
WHen you pump the primer, is it pumping fuel?
Fire takes three things: fuel, oxygen, and compression(Heat) which
one is missing? I had a wabbit diesel that a mechanic put sugar in
the gas tank. IT would not start when hot after the sugar did its
thing. No Compression.
New last year.
Did somebody upset the mechanic to make him wanta tighten up the
engine in such a manner?
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't
On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:09:42 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Did somebody upset the mechanic to make him wanta tighten up the
engine in such a manner?
That sure sounds like a small claims court action
Craig
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the engine in such a manner?
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
WHen you pump the primer, is it pumping fuel?
Fire
On May 21, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
Any suggestions are very welcome.
How about a question? Do you still run WVO? If so, Grants suggestion of a worn
out fuel injection pump makes sense.
Rick
Who thinks WVO can wear out an injection pump prematurely.
vacuum to me.
Scott
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D - won't start when hot.
Mike Esh wrote:
(primer pump) New last year. New style
But if there is an air leak, would it not have shown itself earlier? A venturi
would be created in the fuel lines while driving which would suck air into the
lines. Might it be the ... no. The hand pump would allow leak down at cold as
well as hot.
IF there is air in the system, how is it
But what if he is a looser?
--R
On 5/21/13 12:29 PM, Craig wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:09:42 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Did somebody upset the mechanic to make him wanta tighten up the
engine in such a manner?
That sure sounds like a small claims court action
Craig
Air leaks can cause really weird things with the fuel system. I
chased a leak in the 124 for years without success until I finally
changed EVERY hose bit, and bypassed the fuel heater. Never did
find out where the leak was, but no more problems. It would have no
start cold, no start hot,
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