Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
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I'm listening and if you want to supply the extra money then I'll do it
that way. Like I said I love
I don't have a problem with the comfort of the car and don't care how it
does off road cause I don't plan an using it off road any more in the
future then I have in the past.
The 2.5 only gets about 24 mpg so I figure that even if I put in a 617
is that is in the 83 300D? I should get at the
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Doesn't really matter too much to me how much HP I can get the TDi to
put out. It's all the work
to put $2000-$3000 or more into it when I can get an older 5cyl
turbo and tranny for $1000 or less around here slap it in and be done
with it for at least another 100,000mi.
Manfred
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:38:51 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
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bummer is that the J**p driveshaft is only one piece because of the
funky slip-yoke used
engines, especially the lighter part.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:46:02 -0800
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
The TDI is so popular to put into things because of it's high efficiency
that you can buy ready made engine mounts and bellhousings
Won't be balancing a Mercedes driveshaft.
Manfred
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
It's the balancing that will get you -- the correct adapters are
$1500 or more each, and since no one repairs Benz driveshafts except
for a couple specialty
would get. Personally The stock power from a
3L or even a 2.5 should be enough from what I have been able to find out.
Manfred
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:29:05 -0800
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
The TDI is pretty versatile. If it's installed
] 300d hydraulic lifters
It's the balancing that will get you -- the correct adapters are
$1500 or more each, and since no one repairs Benz driveshafts except
for a couple specialty shops on the West Coast, no one has them, and
they aren't going to buy them to do one driveshaft.
Peter
John, that sounds fascinating but the car shifts WAY better than it did
before the transplant, so I am not really looking to improve that aspect of
the car. I might want to improve fuel economy, however. Will I get better
mileage with the additional bells and whistles?
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at
andrew strasfogel wrote:
John, that sounds fascinating but the car shifts WAY better than it did
before the transplant, so I am not really looking to improve that aspect of
the car. I might want to improve fuel economy, however. Will I get better
mileage with the additional bells and whistles?
The TDI is pretty versatile. If it's installed with a bigger turbo,
intake, exhaust, and given more fuel it can make 200hp reliably, and
still get about the same fuel economy driven normally. Those
modifications are somewhat trivial compared to the fabrication required
to install the motor in
Oops! misread your list. It should have been 606 3L turbo.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:49:20 -0500
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
MG wrote:
So seems like what I want to look for if I can afford it is a 606 3.5
turbo. Got to have more
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I doubt that -- Benz driveshafts are unique, and very rarely get
repaired. Good luck, though -- I never found anyone who could 'round
here.
Peter
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The TDI probably has more hp, but maybe less torque. European
automotive diesels produce more hp per cubic inch than american gassers.
Peter
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The TDI is so popular to put into things because of it's high efficiency
that you can buy ready made engine mounts and bellhousings for RWD
conversions. A TDI on a Toyota manual transmission would be pretty nice!
http://www.acmeadapters.com is a good place to look
I love the OM60x engines,
Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
I doubt that -- Benz driveshafts are unique, and very rarely get
repaired. Good luck, though -- I never found anyone who could 'round
here.
Peter
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] 300d hydraulic lifters
I doubt that -- Benz driveshafts are unique, and very rarely get
repaired. Good luck, though -- I never found anyone who could 'round
here.
Peter
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
I didn't know that ANY 617 engine had hydraulic lifters, only the 60x engines
(190D, 86 and later 300SDL, W124s, etc.).
Peter
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:59 PM, MG wrote:
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I want to find
yes the 602 is a 5 cylinder. It was not available in 85 in the US
though. Unless otherwise noted, most talk is about US versions of cars.
Michael LaFleur wrote:
Correct Peter, but the OM602 is a 5 cylinder isn't it? And it has hydraulic
lifters and they made it from mid '85 until '93.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
No, none of the 61x engines had hydraulic lifters.
MG wrote:
Was 85 the only year
Ok. So if there aren't any 3 liter engines with hydraulic lifters then
is the 2.5 engine as powerful as the older 3.0 liter and is it the same
physical size or smaller? I guess I will need the correct transmission
to go along with it. If so I hope it is as strong as the older one.
I want to
I just transplanted an 85 trannie into my 83 wagon. No problems whatsoever.
Question: Why are the vacuum hookups so much more complicated vunder the
hood in an 85 vs. an 83 W123 turbodiesel? If not for the transmission, what
are the extra lines for? The engine??
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:08
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
Ok. So if there aren't any 3 liter engines with hydraulic lifters then
is the 2.5 engine as powerful as the older 3.0 liter and is it the same
physical size or smaller? I guess I will need the correct transmission
to go
MG wrote:
Ok. So if there aren't any 3 liter engines with hydraulic lifters then
is the 2.5 engine as powerful as the older 3.0 liter and is it the same
physical size or smaller? I guess I will need the correct transmission
to go along with it. If so I hope it is as strong as the older one.
If I were you, I'd look for an OM602 2.5l and a 5 speed to go with it.
Tyler
MG wrote:
Ok. So if there aren't any 3 liter engines with hydraulic lifters then
is the 2.5 engine as powerful as the older 3.0 liter and is it the
same physical size or smaller? I guess I will need the correct
I'd agree. Find a 602. Better yet, find a turbo version.
Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:18:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
If I were you, I'd look
Yea, If you have the budget junkyards can do a nation-wide database
search and find you an OM602 Turbo from a wrecked car, and have it
shipped to you!
Depending on the cost, you might also want to think about a VW TDI.
They're much smaller, ligher, and more fuel efficient but produce the
The lines for the blue flying saucer? Better shifts, and less sensitivity
to plugging of an orifice.
Thats a vacuum summer/amplifier; it will take the input from the throttle
position valve (metered vacuum) and the input from the boost pressure of
the turbo, and output (from a separate
So seems like what I want to look for if I can afford it is a 606 3.5
turbo. Got to have more power you know.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:00:08 -0500
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
MG wrote:
Ok. So if there aren't any 3 liter engines
on the back end.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:57:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
The six cylinder 603 is a 3 L. 149 hp and 195 ft/lbs torque (don't know
what the 2.5L is, but about the same as the 617 3L I think). You
the gas 4 cyl.
Manfred
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
If I were you, I'd look for an OM602 2.5l and a 5 speed to go with it.
Tyler
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MG wrote:
So seems like what I want to look for if I can afford it is a 606 3.5
turbo. Got to have more power you know.
I don't think they ever put the 606 head on the 3.5 bottom end. (but I think it
could be done if you had a 603 3.5 and a 606 3.0 and wanted to bend the
connecting rods as
egr and such
andrew strasfogel wrote:
I just transplanted an 85 trannie into my 83 wagon. No problems whatsoever.
Question: Why are the vacuum hookups so much more complicated vunder the
hood in an 85 vs. an 83 W123 turbodiesel? If not for the transmission, what
are the extra lines for?
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
The six cylinder 603 is a 3 L. 149 hp and 195 ft/lbs torque (don't
know what the 2.5L is, but about the same as the 617 3L I think).
You want the turbo version, certainly, as the NA engine is a slug
(but runs forever).
The 603 isn't
turbo would probably be a little less power then the 606
3.5 turbo but probably more power then the 2.5 gas that's in there
now.
The VW TDi probably doesn't have enough power to replace the gas 4
cyl.
Manfred
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
If I
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I want to find
a good engine and transmission for a transplant.
Thanks,
Manfred
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Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 5:59:41 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I want to find a good
engine and transmission for a transplant.
Thanks,
Manfred
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It seems than at Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:59:41 -0500, MG wrote:
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I
want to find a good engine and transmission for a transplant.
The '85 W123s I have are solid lifters. I don't think the
OM617 _ever_ had hydraulic lifter.
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I didn't know that ANY 617 engine had hydraulic lifters, only the 60x
engines (190D, 86 and later 300SDL, W124s, etc.).
Peter
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:59 PM, MG wrote:
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I want to
find a good engine and transmission for a transplant.
No, none of the 61x engines had hydraulic lifters.
MG wrote:
Was 85 the only year that the 5cyl had hydraulic lifters? I want to find
a good engine and transmission for a transplant.
Thanks,
Manfred
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