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They're impressively bad offroad in stock form, but can be made impressively good (at the expense of what little on road performance it once had) with extensive (and expensive) modification to the suspension and drivetrain- but what can't? ernest breakfield wrote: you, as many, may have misunderstood the XJ Cherokee; most off-roaders understand that any J**p is simply a platform on which to build the vehicle that best suits their interests and needs. our XJ has surprised many who didn't know what an XJ could do when properly prepared; and it does it with up to 4 passengers and their gear carried in air-conditioned comfort. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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they'd already killed the XJ (Cherokee) by the time the Libby came out; people are still wondering who asked for it, and exactly what void it was supposed to fill as it doesn't seem to have been able to do *anything* well. cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week in Moab over Easter,... http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts _at_moab_safari/ forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.) the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and you'd have me seriously interested. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/666500a9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you, as many, may have misunderstood the XJ Cherokee; most off-roaders understand that any J**p is simply a platform on which to build the vehicle that best suits their interests and needs. our XJ has surprised many who didn't know what an XJ could do when properly prepared; and it does it with up to 4 passengers and their gear carried in air-conditioned comfort. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: The Cherokee holds a little place in my heart as my least favorite 4x4 ever. A stock Cherokee is so unimaginably sucky in the woods it astounds me. I also find them uncomfortable and amazingly unrefined. I have no idea why they are so popular. The Liberty (which is the Cherokee elsewhere in the world) is a close second. With very little feedback to the driver its amazingly easy to get stuck since you have nearly no idea what the wheels are doing. The body panels also have amazing sound transmitting properites which can make you think every stick you drive over is poking holes in the oil pan. Oh and the back seat is apparently plywood covered with nails... This is the old model, I have yet to ride in the new Dodge Nitro (snicker) based model. I also have to mention the Patriot and Compass (which are apparently both based on the (snicker!) Dodge Caliber) what idiot thought Jeep needed a car in its lineup? Of course if they sold well I suppose they'd be worth it, I'd love to know the real numbers on those. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:57 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 016401c9cdea$4e6fa230$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=windows-1250 There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/5463139f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090506/d8eb7364/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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which one are you talking about? that article addressed several different vehicles and there are pictures of more in the gallery. if you're talking about the Lower Forty, it's a case of Form following Function; almost exactly as it should be for a serious vehicle for the unpaved. if you're talking about the Overland, what's not to like? a rolling campsite that can go most anywhere?! as fr concept vehicles that they really should have done, there's the next-gen Jeepster, as well as the Dakar and the Casablanca,... the Gladiator was just sort of a spin-off of what AEV had been doing for a while already when they were making a Comanche-like spin-off from the XJ, and like the Brute they make now out of the Wrangler. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Yuck, looks, looks like a Rat Fink drawing come to life. I'm still not ready to forgive Jeep for not making the Gladiator they'd made a concept of a few years back. Toyota made the FJ cruiser that they'd shown as a concept at about the same time and if the number of them I see is any indication they've done quite well... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:13:24 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a00e434.8030...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week in Moab over Easter,... http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts_at_moab_safari/ forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.) the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and you'd have me seriously interested. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/95d12ea7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090506/b0a1ce98/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can't let a good crisis go to waste! Luther Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: The auto industry, unions, and gummint have been in a dysfunctional alliance for decades, the chickensss are comin home to roosst!!! It's called influence peddling, and for the first time since the presidential election, I think we're seeing evidence that the President has engaged in high crimes or misdemeanors. I can't recall anybody else in my lifetime achieving that in the first 100 days. http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-this-hedge-fund-managers-not-afraid-of-big-bad-obama-2009-5 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And here I thought it was a car to drive around in... My parents had a '95, my in-laws have a '96, both suck. I can't find any position in any seat thats comfortable at all. They're loud, the one my parents had's clutch felt like it was full of sand. Both of them had a failure of the windshield gasket that put water under the carpet and rotted out the floor under the passenger seat. In fact once I noticed it and started looking around ALL the Cherokees I could find in this area are either missing the metal under the passenger seat, its been replaced or have a replacement windshield... -Curt Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 00:05:37 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a0136c1.4030...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed you, as many, may have misunderstood the XJ Cherokee; most off-roaders understand that any J**p is simply a platform on which to build the vehicle that best suits their interests and needs. our XJ has surprised many who didn't know what an XJ could do when properly prepared; and it does it with up to 4 passengers and their gear carried in air-conditioned comfort. cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090506/396686db/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What do you think of the new Grand? Jalopnik claims its one of the vehicles that brought Chrysler down. I'll admit I'm not a fan of the body cladding and didn't buy a newer Dakota based partially on that and how cheap the whole package felt. As a top of the line SUV I'd hope the Grand wasn't like that. -Curt From: Tom Hargrave [mailto:tharg...@hiwaay.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:27 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update The new Liberty and I love it. Wife convinced me to trade - she works for Chrysler. She also traded her Grand Cherokee for a new Grand Cherokee. So, now we have 2 new Jeeps, the 87 300SDL, 77 Vette and a couple of motorcycles. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090506/065caef5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124157578117190427.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just like with the banks. The law is being trod over for expediency and union bailout. Your tax dollars at work. http://www.businessinsider.com/new-allegations-of-white-house-threats-over-chysler-2009-5 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-allegations-of-white-house-threats-over-chysler-2009-5 One person described the administration as the most shocking end justifies the means group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger. Both were voters for Obama in the last election. Two trite phrases come to mind: You asked for Him, you got Him, and What goes around comes around. Now I know how people felt about me when I'd bitch about unPatriot Act Bush after admitting to voting for him in both 2000 elections. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh please. Unnamed sources. Wild allegations with no attribution. I am shocked and appalled that someone in GOVERNMENT would DARE to BULLY someone from as blameless as the AUTO INDUSTRY. Or worse the FINANCIAL SECTOR. Oh, for SHAME. Right now we people (you in the U.S. and by extension, us in Canada) have a 1 in 5 reasonable chance of having an auto industry in 10 years. So sorry, but even if this is accurate, so it must be. None of the detroit automakers have, on the basis of their corporate records, any excuse to live. Whatever the Obama administration may or may not be up to, is the equivalent of the doctor shouting orders in the ER when the 500-lb burger and twinkie addict, who has ignored medical advice for 20 years, rolls in from the ambulance with his heart stopped. Corporate America (and Canada) has been bullying government for as long as I can remember. Obama isn't stupid, nor is he a stooge. He has picked out the only stick he has at his disposal to beat these b*st*rds with, and he's making good use of it. The comparison with Kissinger is, by the way, several steps past pathetic. I am old enough to remember Kissinger. Can't believe no one ever killed the evil SOB. Mac 5/5/09 15:33, Mitch Haley at m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-allegations-of-white-house-threats-over-chy sler-2009-5 One person described the administration as the most shocking end justifies the means group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger. Both were voters for Obama in the last election. Two trite phrases come to mind: You asked for Him, you got Him, and What goes around comes around. Now I know how people felt about me when I'd bitch about unPatriot Act Bush after admitting to voting for him in both 2000 elections. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well here in the US there are laws that are meant to apply to these situations, and generally they are to be followed by everyone involved (including the gummint). There is enough about this whole thing (including the bank bailouts, the BoA/ML deal, and the car company deals) to suggest that a lot of the law is just being circumvented/bypassed/trod over, etc. When that happened with the Iraq business the left side of the political spectrum had major issues. Now that it is being done with the economy, the banks, the auto companies, etc. the response is Unnamed sources. Wild allegations with no attribution. The auto industry, unions, and gummint have been in a dysfunctional alliance for decades, the chickensss are comin home to roosst!!! Just saying... --R Steve MacSween wrote: Oh please. Unnamed sources. Wild allegations with no attribution. I am shocked and appalled that someone in GOVERNMENT would DARE to BULLY someone from as blameless as the AUTO INDUSTRY. Or worse the FINANCIAL SECTOR. Oh, for SHAME. Right now we people (you in the U.S. and by extension, us in Canada) have a 1 in 5 reasonable chance of having an auto industry in 10 years. So sorry, but even if this is accurate, so it must be. None of the detroit automakers have, on the basis of their corporate records, any excuse to live. Whatever the Obama administration may or may not be up to, is the equivalent of the doctor shouting orders in the ER when the 500-lb burger and twinkie addict, who has ignored medical advice for 20 years, rolls in from the ambulance with his heart stopped. Corporate America (and Canada) has been bullying government for as long as I can remember. Obama isn't stupid, nor is he a stooge. He has picked out the only stick he has at his disposal to beat these b*st*rds with, and he's making good use of it. The comparison with Kissinger is, by the way, several steps past pathetic. I am old enough to remember Kissinger. Can't believe no one ever killed the evil SOB. Mac 5/5/09 15:33, Mitch Haley at m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-allegations-of-white-house-threats-over-chy sler-2009-5 One person described the administration as the most shocking end justifies the means group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger. Both were voters for Obama in the last election. Two trite phrases come to mind: You asked for Him, you got Him, and What goes around comes around. Now I know how people felt about me when I'd bitch about unPatriot Act Bush after admitting to voting for him in both 2000 elections. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/af3032ef/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve MacSween wrote: I am shocked and appalled that someone in GOVERNMENT would DARE to BULLY someone from as blameless as the AUTO INDUSTRY. Or worse the FINANCIAL SECTOR. Oh, for SHAME. Gee, Steve, your sarcasm is exceeded only by your ignorance. The issue here is whether to follow bankruptcy law and treat the creditors in order of lawful priority, or just say screw the bondholders, we're giving most of the assets to the UAW. These bondholders are people and entities (including pension plans) who wished to invest their funds conservatively and avoid the risks inherent in equity investing. Now they are being asked to give up their majority holding of the debt in exchange for a 10% holding of equity. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: The auto industry, unions, and gummint have been in a dysfunctional alliance for decades, the chickensss are comin home to roosst!!! It's called influence peddling, and for the first time since the presidential election, I think we're seeing evidence that the President has engaged in high crimes or misdemeanors. I can't recall anybody else in my lifetime achieving that in the first 100 days. http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-this-hedge-fund-managers-not-afraid-of-big-bad-obama-2009-5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: Right now we people (you in the U.S. and by extension, us in Canada) have a 1 in 5 reasonable chance of having an auto industry in 10 years. So sorry, but even if this is accurate, so it must be. None of the detroit automakers have, on the basis of their corporate records, any excuse to live. In 10 years there will be no GM (except for the Corvette and Chevy trucks) nor Chrysler (except for Jeep and Dodge-badged Fiats), but Ford will be doing just fine. Unlike GM, F has a viable product line in the USA, and a healthy brand in Europe, and has rid itself of its money-pit '90s acquisitions (Land Rover and Jag). Unlike Chrysler, they can build cars that are as reliable as Toyotas. Unlike both, F doesn't need a federal handout. All they need to work on is marketing---convincing the average American that the Fusion is as good a car as the Camry or Accord. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If my pension fund manager invested in Chrysler bonds thinking they were worth anything I'd BEAT HIS ASS. Who invests in a car company thats been spun off by a company like Diamler-Benz AFTER DB realized there was no money to be made in it? This was a sinking ship a year ago, tis nearly a sunken ship now. Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:19:22 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a009f4a.2040...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Steve MacSween wrote: I am shocked and appalled that someone in GOVERNMENT would DARE to BULLY someone from as blameless as the AUTO INDUSTRY. Or worse the FINANCIAL SECTOR. Oh, for SHAME. Gee, Steve, your sarcasm is exceeded only by your ignorance. The issue here is whether to follow bankruptcy law and treat the creditors in order of lawful priority, or just say screw the bondholders, we're giving most of the assets to the UAW. These bondholders are people and entities (including pension plans) who wished to invest their funds conservatively and avoid the risks inherent in equity investing. Now they are being asked to give up their majority holding of the debt in exchange for a 10% holding of equity. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/0d245164/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm very impressed with the noise I hear about the Fiesta. Assuming it gets here without something stupid happening it *might* be the car I'd consider swapping my 190D for. Small, fuel efficient, reasonably powerful, reasonably inexpensive, good looking, should be a winner. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:51:34 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7b6bd1a0905051351u3633a6a7y2538b424b93f8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Steve MacSween steve.macsw...@videotron.ca wrote: Right now we people (you in the U.S. and by extension, us in Canada) have a 1 in 5 reasonable chance of having an auto industry in 10 years. So sorry, but even if this is accurate, so it must be. None of the detroit automakers have, on the basis of their corporate records, any excuse to live. In 10 years there will be no GM (except for the Corvette and Chevy trucks) nor Chrysler (except for Jeep and Dodge-badged Fiats), but Ford will be doing just fine. Unlike GM, F has a viable product line in the USA, and a healthy brand in Europe, and has rid itself of its money-pit '90s acquisitions (Land Rover and Jag). Unlike Chrysler, they can build cars that are as reliable as Toyotas. Unlike both, F doesn't need a federal handout. All they need to work on is marketing---convincing the average American that the Fusion is as good a car as the Camry or Accord. Alex -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/fb7cfa04/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week in Moab over Easter,... http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts_at_moab_safari/ forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.) the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and you'd have me seriously interested. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week in Moab over Easter,... http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts _at_moab_safari/ forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.) the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and you'd have me seriously interested. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yuck, looks, looks like a Rat Fink drawing come to life. I'm still not ready to forgive Jeep for not making the Gladiator they'd made a concept of a few years back. Toyota made the FJ cruiser that they'd shown as a concept at about the same time and if the number of them I see is any indication they've done quite well... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 18:13:24 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a00e434.8030...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed and amazingly enough, at the same time a report from Down Under shows these concept J**ps from the Underground gang that surfaced at J**p Week in Moab over Easter,... http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/jeep_mopar_concepts_at_moab_safari/ forgive me, but a couple of these are completely and totally bitchin'. (couldn't think of a more appropriate car-type word.) the way they got axle clearance under that Lower Forty while keeping the Center of Gravity as low as possible is the stuff of wet dreams to old trail hounds,... but give me something like that Overland Wrangler with the Diesel engine that's alluded to elsewhere in the article, and you'd have me seriously interested. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Jalopnik reports a rumor of Chrysler killing off the Wrangler which is the ONLY real Jeep left. If they do so they are dead, nothing anybody can do can overcome the inherent stupidity of the company as they will have completely destroyed the last name brand they had left worth anything. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/95d12ea7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Cherokee holds a little place in my heart as my least favorite 4x4 ever. A stock Cherokee is so unimaginably sucky in the woods it astounds me. I also find them uncomfortable and amazingly unrefined. I have no idea why they are so popular. The Liberty (which is the Cherokee elsewhere in the world) is a close second. With very little feedback to the driver its amazingly easy to get stuck since you have nearly no idea what the wheels are doing. The body panels also have amazing sound transmitting properites which can make you think every stick you drive over is poking holes in the oil pan. Oh and the back seat is apparently plywood covered with nails... This is the old model, I have yet to ride in the new Dodge Nitro (snicker) based model. I also have to mention the Patriot and Compass (which are apparently both based on the (snicker!) Dodge Caliber) what idiot thought Jeep needed a car in its lineup? Of course if they sold well I suppose they'd be worth it, I'd love to know the real numbers on those. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:57 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 016401c9cdea$4e6fa230$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/5463139f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jeep had the Eagle back in the 80s, it seemed to be a Hornet on a 4x4 platform. --R Curt Raymond wrote: The Cherokee holds a little place in my heart as my least favorite 4x4 ever. A stock Cherokee is so unimaginably sucky in the woods it astounds me. I also find them uncomfortable and amazingly unrefined. I have no idea why they are so popular. The Liberty (which is the Cherokee elsewhere in the world) is a close second. With very little feedback to the driver its amazingly easy to get stuck since you have nearly no idea what the wheels are doing. The body panels also have amazing sound transmitting properites which can make you think every stick you drive over is poking holes in the oil pan. Oh and the back seat is apparently plywood covered with nails... This is the old model, I have yet to ride in the new Dodge Nitro (snicker) based model. I also have to mention the Patriot and Compass (which are apparently both based on the (snicker!) Dodge Caliber) what idiot thought Jeep needed a car in its lineup? Of course if they sold well I suppose they'd be worth it, I'd love to know the real numbers on those. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:57 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 016401c9cdea$4e6fa230$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=windows-1250 There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/5463139f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree, the original Liberty was terrible. I have one of the new Nitro based models and I love it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update Jeep had the Eagle back in the 80s, it seemed to be a Hornet on a 4x4 platform. --R Curt Raymond wrote: The Cherokee holds a little place in my heart as my least favorite 4x4 ever. A stock Cherokee is so unimaginably sucky in the woods it astounds me. I also find them uncomfortable and amazingly unrefined. I have no idea why they are so popular. The Liberty (which is the Cherokee elsewhere in the world) is a close second. With very little feedback to the driver its amazingly easy to get stuck since you have nearly no idea what the wheels are doing. The body panels also have amazing sound transmitting properites which can make you think every stick you drive over is poking holes in the oil pan. Oh and the back seat is apparently plywood covered with nails... This is the old model, I have yet to ride in the new Dodge Nitro (snicker) based model. I also have to mention the Patriot and Compass (which are apparently both based on the (snicker!) Dodge Caliber) what idiot thought Jeep needed a car in its lineup? Of course if they sold well I suppose they'd be worth it, I'd love to know the real numbers on those. -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:57 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 016401c9cdea$4e6fa230$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=windows-1250 There is truth to the rumor. The Jeep Liberty was slated to take the place of the aging Wrangler but Daimler misunderstood the Wrangler's following in this country. When news got out there was almost a revolt amongst Jeep owners and Daimler quickly back pedaled. By then the Liberty was already out on the street and it became the next Jeep model, not the Wrangler and not the Cherokee but something in between. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/54 63139f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wha? Did you replace your beloved Grand with it? -Curt Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:22:13 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Chrysler Update To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 017601c9cdf1$77ca7860$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 I agree, the original Liberty was terrible. I have one of the new Nitro based models and I love it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090505/e46080fa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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CHRYSLER CUT-UP'S CONTRACT KILLERS http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/chrysler_cut_ups_contract_killers_167488.htm --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090504/24d59ff8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Another Chrysler Update
Dear Employees, In my e-mail to you yesterday, I discussed our global strategic alliance with Fiat and our Chapter 11 filing. I am pleased to report that we made progress in our first hearing today in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York, receiving approval for a number of first-day motions relating to the day-to-day running of our business. We are off to a good start. Specifically, we received interim court approval on our request to continue payment of wages, and health and welfare benefits to employees and contractors and continue our customer warranty programs. Today, we also reported April U.S. total sales of 76,682 units, which was a 48 percent decrease versus 2008 but includes a 66 percent reduction in fleet sales as we continue to emphasize retail over fleet. Our retail sales tracked with the industry, which represents a solid performance considering the recent headlines. Highlights included a 7 percent increase in Jeep® Wrangler sales year-over-year, an 11 percent jump in Dodge Challenger sales compared to March, and a 6 percent increase in Chrysler Town Country retail sales compared to last month. As always, we will continue to keep you and all our stakeholders informed of significant developments as we move ahead. To that end, The Scoop employee Web site now has a special Chrysler Restructuring page for all news and information related to the April 30 announcements. It features a variety of materials including Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), the latest press releases and executive communications. The materials will be updated regularly to address any ongoing questions. Throughout our restructuring process, and especially during the upcoming plant shutdown period, employees are encouraged to check the following sources for the latest information: HYPERLINK http://scoop.chrysler.comscoop.chrysler.com, HYPERLINK http://www.chryslerrestructuring.comwww.chryslerrestructuring.com, or the toll-free hotline (877) 271-1568 (United States and Canada) or (503) 597-7708 (international). This has been a challenging period for all involved, but we have established a clear path to the creation of a vibrant new company with significant strategic advantages, laying the foundation for long-term success. Thank you for your continued support. Bob Thanks, Tom Hargrave HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.comwww.kegkits.com HYPERLINK http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/ 256-656-1924 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/2009 5:53 PM -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090501/fadad1a3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
