Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That works, too.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:43:17 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi
>> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your
>> phone, grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store.
> 
> I have a flip phone and leave it turned off ...
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:43:17 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi
> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your
> phone, grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store.

I have a flip phone and leave it turned off ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The POS terminals are in full PCI compliance over cellular, which is why we did 
it that way. The alternative was to have to segment off the network there, 
which we didn’t want to do for such a small amount of traffic and the security 
aspect wouldn’t be any better, either.

Understand that loss of signal = loss of business. Totally get that. This was 
more of a clusterriffic set of circumstances that pushed us into doing it that 
way.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> They need dedicated connections for POS terminals...
> 
> 
> All of our critical operations at the Park are wired.  (Critical === take
> in money, or
> deliver guest services.)  Not an accident, consider the 'fun' some asshat
> could have
> doing DoS with a jammer... we only operate 100 days a year, the loss or
> degradation
> of even one day would be a noticeable percentage!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
>  3,000 feet in any direction. There are about a dozen homes in our general
> neighborhood they don't service, including us.
>

No 802.1 providers?  No elevation?  My boss uses Starlink on his boat, he's
quite happy with it.
Our 802.1 provider can service a neighborhood via an on-house repeater if
they can service just
one house through their regular antennae.  Maybe if you climb a tree?
Provide your own antenna
that way?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> They need dedicated connections for POS terminals...


All of our critical operations at the Park are wired.  (Critical === take
in money, or
deliver guest services.)  Not an accident, consider the 'fun' some asshat
could have
doing DoS with a jammer... we only operate 100 days a year, the loss or
degradation
of even one day would be a noticeable percentage!

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Don’t knock it, they worked!

I “knew” a guy who used one to get HBO when they used point-to-point for signal 
distribution. I think that was in the early 80s.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 12:46 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pringles cantennas!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 3000 feet is a long way, especially in Maine with all the trees. I suppose 
>> if I put a 100' tower at each end...
>> 
>> If either I or my cousin on the other side of the river get internet while 
>> the other does not we'll rig up some kind of point to point solution. 
>> Unfortunately its otherwise not practical...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:49:59 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any options for possible point-to-point connections? Know adjacent 
>> landowners who might have an existing connection?
>> 
>> Ubiquiti makes a number of affordable and easy to configure point-to-point 
>> solutions that can go miles. I’ve used their stuff and it’s awesome.
>> 
>> Just trying to think out of the box…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm fighting at the great northern estate to get internet service. Spectrum 
>>> is the local cable provider but they end 3,000 feet in any direction. There 
>>> are about a dozen homes in our general neighborhood they don't service, 
>>> including us.
>>> 
>>> Last year I could get T-Mobile home internet but this year they won't let 
>>> me, I guess too many people signed up.
>>> 
>>> Our last 2 options are Starlink or Hughesnet. Starlink is (much) more 
>>> expensive but seems like it would support my work from home Zoom lifestyle 
>>> better.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:57:15 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local 
>>> community center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for 
>>> POS terminals so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is 
>>> lousy, Verizon knows it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in 
>>> the near future. Add to this the construction of the venue is concrete and 
>>> steel, so it resembles a giant Faraday cage, too.
>>> 
>>> They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi 
>>> or cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to 
>>> be proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a 
>>> County device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't 
>>> lock it down to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or 
>>> nothing.
>>> 
>>> Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in 
>>> practice.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
 
 It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
 effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
 doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
 
 Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
 specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was 
 astonishingly effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
 The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
 
 Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
 cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to 
 their desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
 
 Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great 
 expense) to provide service inside...
 
 -Curt
 
 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
 connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your 
 phone, grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. 
 Their coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they 
 can see what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to 
 find that elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you 
 lingered there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ 
 sauce.
 
 They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
 “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used 
 and now they’ve got even more information on you.
 
 This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
 gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your 
 personal devices:
 
 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Pringles cantennas!

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 3000 feet is a long way, especially in Maine with all the trees. I suppose 
> if I put a 100' tower at each end...
> 
> If either I or my cousin on the other side of the river get internet while 
> the other does not we'll rig up some kind of point to point solution. 
> Unfortunately its otherwise not practical...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:49:59 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Any options for possible point-to-point connections? Know adjacent landowners 
> who might have an existing connection?
> 
> Ubiquiti makes a number of affordable and easy to configure point-to-point 
> solutions that can go miles. I’ve used their stuff and it’s awesome.
> 
> Just trying to think out of the box…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm fighting at the great northern estate to get internet service. Spectrum 
>> is the local cable provider but they end 3,000 feet in any direction. There 
>> are about a dozen homes in our general neighborhood they don't service, 
>> including us.
>> 
>> Last year I could get T-Mobile home internet but this year they won't let 
>> me, I guess too many people signed up.
>> 
>> Our last 2 options are Starlink or Hughesnet. Starlink is (much) more 
>> expensive but seems like it would support my work from home Zoom lifestyle 
>> better.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:57:15 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local 
>> community center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for 
>> POS terminals so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is 
>> lousy, Verizon knows it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in the 
>> near future. Add to this the construction of the venue is concrete and 
>> steel, so it resembles a giant Faraday cage, too.
>> 
>> They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi or 
>> cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to be 
>> proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a County 
>> device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't lock it 
>> down to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or nothing.
>> 
>> Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in 
>> practice.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
>>> effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
>>> doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
>>> 
>>> Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
>>> specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was 
>>> astonishingly effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
>>> The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
>>> 
>>> Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
>>> cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to 
>>> their desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
>>> 
>>> Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) 
>>> to provide service inside...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
>>> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your 
>>> phone, grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. 
>>> Their coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they 
>>> can see what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find 
>>> that elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you 
>>> lingered there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ 
>>> sauce.
>>> 
>>> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
>>> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used 
>>> and now they’ve got even more information on you.
>>> 
>>> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
>>> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your 
>>> personal devices:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
>>> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
>>> Forum
>>> fpf.org
>>> 
>>> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

3000 feet is a long way, especially in Maine with all the trees. I suppose if I 
put a 100' tower at each end...

If either I or my cousin on the other side of the river get internet while the 
other does not we'll rig up some kind of point to point solution. Unfortunately 
its otherwise not practical...

-Curt


On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:49:59 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Any options for possible point-to-point connections? Know adjacent landowners 
who might have an existing connection?

Ubiquiti makes a number of affordable and easy to configure point-to-point 
solutions that can go miles. I’ve used their stuff and it’s awesome.

Just trying to think out of the box…

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I'm fighting at the great northern estate to get internet service. Spectrum 
> is the local cable provider but they end 3,000 feet in any direction. There 
> are about a dozen homes in our general neighborhood they don't service, 
> including us.
> 
> Last year I could get T-Mobile home internet but this year they won't let me, 
> I guess too many people signed up.
> 
> Our last 2 options are Starlink or Hughesnet. Starlink is (much) more 
> expensive but seems like it would support my work from home Zoom lifestyle 
> better.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:57:15 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local 
> community center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for 
> POS terminals so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is 
> lousy, Verizon knows it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in the 
> near future. Add to this the construction of the venue is concrete and steel, 
> so it resembles a giant Faraday cage, too.
> 
> They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi or 
> cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to be 
> proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a County 
> device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't lock it down 
> to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or nothing.
> 
> Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in practice.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
>> effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
>> doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
>> 
>> Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
>> specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was astonishingly 
>> effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
>> The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
>> 
>> Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
>> cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to 
>> their desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
>> 
>> Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) 
>> to provide service inside...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
>> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
>> grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their 
>> coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see 
>> what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that 
>> elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered 
>> there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.
>> 
>> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
>> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used 
>> and now they’ve got even more information on you.
>> 
>> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
>> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your 
>> personal devices:
>> 
>> 
>> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
>> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
>> Forum
>> fpf.org
>> 
>> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:
>> 
>> https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores
>> 
>> As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
>> Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Any options for possible point-to-point connections? Know adjacent landowners 
who might have an existing connection?

Ubiquiti makes a number of affordable and easy to configure point-to-point 
solutions that can go miles. I’ve used their stuff and it’s awesome.

Just trying to think out of the box…

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I'm fighting at the great northern estate to get internet service. Spectrum 
> is the local cable provider but they end 3,000 feet in any direction. There 
> are about a dozen homes in our general neighborhood they don't service, 
> including us.
> 
> Last year I could get T-Mobile home internet but this year they won't let me, 
> I guess too many people signed up.
> 
> Our last 2 options are Starlink or Hughesnet. Starlink is (much) more 
> expensive but seems like it would support my work from home Zoom lifestyle 
> better.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:57:15 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local 
> community center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for 
> POS terminals so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is 
> lousy, Verizon knows it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in the 
> near future. Add to this the construction of the venue is concrete and steel, 
> so it resembles a giant Faraday cage, too.
> 
> They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi or 
> cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to be 
> proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a County 
> device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't lock it down 
> to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or nothing.
> 
> Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in practice.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
>> effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
>> doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
>> 
>> Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
>> specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was astonishingly 
>> effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
>> The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
>> 
>> Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
>> cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to 
>> their desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
>> 
>> Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) 
>> to provide service inside...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
>> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
>> grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their 
>> coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see 
>> what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that 
>> elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered 
>> there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.
>> 
>> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
>> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used 
>> and now they’ve got even more information on you.
>> 
>> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
>> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your 
>> personal devices:
>> 
>> 
>> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
>> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
>> Forum
>> fpf.org
>> 
>> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:
>> 
>> https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores
>> 
>> As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
>> Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to 
>> their sanctioned WiFi. This is well within the realm of current technology. 
>> I have noticed that my cell signal drops signficantly when I’m in a Walmart. 
>> Sure, part of that is no doubt due to the structure, but I’ve seen it in 
>> three stores now, and one in particular is concerning as there’s an active 
>> cell site right next door. When I walk in I’ve got five bars, as soon as I 
>> move into 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm fighting at the great northern estate to get internet service. Spectrum is 
the local cable provider but they end 3,000 feet in any direction. There are 
about a dozen homes in our general neighborhood they don't service, including 
us.

Last year I could get T-Mobile home internet but this year they won't let me, I 
guess too many people signed up.

Our last 2 options are Starlink or Hughesnet. Starlink is (much) more expensive 
but seems like it would support my work from home Zoom lifestyle better.

-Curt


On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 10:57:15 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local community 
center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for POS terminals 
so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is lousy, Verizon knows 
it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in the near future. Add to 
this the construction of the venue is concrete and steel, so it resembles a 
giant Faraday cage, too.

They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi or 
cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to be 
proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a County 
device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't lock it down 
to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or nothing.

Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in practice.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
> effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
> doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
> 
> Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
> specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was astonishingly 
> effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
> The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
> 
> Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
> cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to their 
> desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
> 
> Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) 
> to provide service inside...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
> grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their 
> coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see 
> what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that 
> elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered 
> there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.
> 
> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used and 
> now they’ve got even more information on you.
> 
> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your personal 
> devices:
> 
> 
> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
> Forum
> fpf.org
> 
> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:
> 
> https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores
> 
> As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
> Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to 
> their sanctioned WiFi. This is well within the realm of current technology. I 
> have noticed that my cell signal drops signficantly when I’m in a Walmart. 
> Sure, part of that is no doubt due to the structure, but I’ve seen it in 
> three stores now, and one in particular is concerning as there’s an active 
> cell site right next door. When I walk in I’ve got five bars, as soon as I 
> move into the store my coverage drops to one bar. I see similar but less 
> significant drops in the other stores I’ve checked this out in. It just seems 
> too coincidental.
> 
> Call me paranoid, but I know from direct experience how aggressive Walmart is 
> about collecting customer data. I’m not singling them out by any means, as 
> plenty of other retailers do this, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How can they do anything with WiFi or 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Our WiFI guys are struggling with a cellular issue we have at a local community 
center that is heavily used. They need dedicated connections for POS terminals 
so they can sell tickets at the venue. Cellular service is lousy, Verizon knows 
it, but has no plans on adding any cells nearlby in the near future. Add to 
this the construction of the venue is concrete and steel, so it resembles a 
giant Faraday cage, too.

They provided a “Femtocell”, which is like a commercial version of a MiFi or 
cellualr hotspot. It works great, costs a lot of money, but has yet to be 
proven. The biggest concern because it’s a vendor device and not a County 
device is that we can’t control traffic on it, that is, we can't lock it down 
to just serve the POS terminals, it’s all (customers) or nothing.

Wireless communication is a wonderful thing, but can be difficult in practice.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
> effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the 
> doors and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.
> 
> Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
> specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was astonishingly 
> effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
> The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.
> 
> Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it 
> cost something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to their 
> desk phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.
> 
> Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) 
> to provide service inside...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
> grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their 
> coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see 
> what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that 
> elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered 
> there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.
> 
> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used and 
> now they’ve got even more information on you.
> 
> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your personal 
> devices:
> 
> 
> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
> Forum
> fpf.org
> 
> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:
> 
> https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores
> 
> As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
> Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to 
> their sanctioned WiFi. This is well within the realm of current technology. I 
> have noticed that my cell signal drops signficantly when I’m in a Walmart. 
> Sure, part of that is no doubt due to the structure, but I’ve seen it in 
> three stores now, and one in particular is concerning as there’s an active 
> cell site right next door. When I walk in I’ve got five bars, as soon as I 
> move into the store my coverage drops to one bar. I see similar but less 
> significant drops in the other stores I’ve checked this out in. It just seems 
> too coincidental.
> 
> Call me paranoid, but I know from direct experience how aggressive Walmart is 
> about collecting customer data. I’m not singling them out by any means, as 
> plenty of other retailers do this, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How can they do anything with WiFi or Bluetooth unless you click to allow on 
> your phone?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 4:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple of things I do to express my displeasure about this:
> 
> 1.) I use a 3x5 card for a list. When I check out, I fold it in half and 
> place it over the camera on the top of the monitor. This throws the motion 
> detection off, and it also prevents recording me or my face.
> 
> 2.) I never use debit when I pay, I always run my card as a credit card 
> transaction. Why? The merchant fees are higher if you run your card as a 
> credit card 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It wouldn't be all that hard to make the store into a Faraday cage that 
effectively blocks cell signal. A little would still sneak in through the doors 
and maybe if they didn't bother to coat the glass.

Back in 2001 the company I worked for moved into a new building. They had 
specifically made the inside of the building cell dead. It was astonishingly 
effective, IIRC even radios didn't receive outside signals.
The idea was to keep you off your phone so you would do work.

Of course everybody hated it. The sales people especially declared that it cost 
something like 30% of their productivity because they were tied to their desk 
phone. This was in the days before laptops and WIFI.

Pretty quick the building had a series of cell repeaters (at great expense) to 
provide service inside...

-Curt


On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:44:07 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their coverage 
is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see what shelf 
section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that elusive BBQ sauce 
you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered there and where you 
came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.

They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
“anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used and 
now they’ve got even more information on you.

This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your personal 
devices:


[Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
Forum
fpf.org

And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:

https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores

As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to their 
sanctioned WiFi. This is well within the realm of current technology. I have 
noticed that my cell signal drops signficantly when I’m in a Walmart. Sure, 
part of that is no doubt due to the structure, but I’ve seen it in three stores 
now, and one in particular is concerning as there’s an active cell site right 
next door. When I walk in I’ve got five bars, as soon as I move into the store 
my coverage drops to one bar. I see similar but less significant drops in the 
other stores I’ve checked this out in. It just seems too coincidental.

Call me paranoid, but I know from direct experience how aggressive Walmart is 
about collecting customer data. I’m not singling them out by any means, as 
plenty of other retailers do this, too.

-D


On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How can they do anything with WiFi or Bluetooth unless you click to allow on 
your phone?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2024, at 4:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

There are a couple of things I do to express my displeasure about this:

1.) I use a 3x5 card for a list. When I check out, I fold it in half and place 
it over the camera on the top of the monitor. This throws the motion detection 
off, and it also prevents recording me or my face.

2.) I never use debit when I pay, I always run my card as a credit card 
transaction. Why? The merchant fees are higher if you run your card as a credit 
card rather than a debit.

I also turn off my phone Wi-Fi and Bluetooth whenever I go into a Wally World. 
They’re really aggressive about collecting data on you as you move through the 
store. I’m not giving it to them freely.

FU, Dead Sam!

-D

On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Aldis.  I prefer the shopping experience at Lidl but they don't have self
checkout.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.

Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
thunk?

-Curt


On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:





I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
whatever it is 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would add that while I can’t reveal details due to agreements I have with my 
employer, I was directly involved in working on the requirements for a system 
like this that was going to be used to track employee and volunteer locations 
within a building. We strongly recommended that the potential for abuse was 
significant, as well as the privacy concerns, and as a result got that idea 
shot down.

I was aware of the capabilities of the technology for the most part, but had 
never seen it in actual use. It was unsettling, to say the least.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 9:43 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Easy. Your WiFi is constantly “pinging”, looking for available WiFi 
> connections. WalMart, using a standard WiFi access point, “sees” your phone, 
> grabs the MAC address and then “follows” you through the store. Their 
> coverage is quite extensive and granular from the standpoint of they can see 
> what shelf section you’re standing in front of while trying to find that 
> elusive BBQ sauce you saw here last time. They know how long you lingered 
> there and where you came from in the store before looking at BBQ sauce.
> 
> They’ll use that data when you checkout as well, as they can track your 
> “anonymous” phone to a POS. Pair that with the debit card number you used and 
> now they’ve got even more information on you.
> 
> This infographic on geolocation is not exactly what I'm describing, but it 
> gives you an idea of how much information is being gleaned from your personal 
> devices:
> 
> 
> [Top-Left-FPF-Infographic-e1592584283806.png]
> Understanding the "World of Geolocation Data" - Future of Privacy 
> Forum
> fpf.org
> 
> And here’s one from a retail industry vendor on customer tracking:
> 
> https://www.storetech.com/resources/how-does-customer-tracking-technology-work-in-offline-retail-stores
> 
> As an aside, and I have nothing to substantiate this, but I believe that 
> Walmart also “floods” the cellular bands in their stores to force you to 
> their sanctioned WiFi. This is well within the realm of current technology. I 
> have noticed that my cell signal drops signficantly when I’m in a Walmart. 
> Sure, part of that is no doubt due to the structure, but I’ve seen it in 
> three stores now, and one in particular is concerning as there’s an active 
> cell site right next door. When I walk in I’ve got five bars, as soon as I 
> move into the store my coverage drops to one bar. I see similar but less 
> significant drops in the other stores I’ve checked this out in. It just seems 
> too coincidental.
> 
> Call me paranoid, but I know from direct experience how aggressive Walmart is 
> about collecting customer data. I’m not singling them out by any means, as 
> plenty of other retailers do this, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How can they do anything with WiFi or Bluetooth unless you click to allow on 
> your phone?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 20, 2024, at 4:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple of things I do to express my displeasure about this:
> 
> 1.) I use a 3x5 card for a list. When I check out, I fold it in half and 
> place it over the camera on the top of the monitor. This throws the motion 
> detection off, and it also prevents recording me or my face.
> 
> 2.) I never use debit when I pay, I always run my card as a credit card 
> transaction. Why? The merchant fees are higher if you run your card as a 
> credit card rather than a debit.
> 
> I also turn off my phone Wi-Fi and Bluetooth whenever I go into a Wally 
> World. They’re really aggressive about collecting data on you as you move 
> through the store. I’m not giving it to them freely.
> 
> FU, Dead Sam!
> 
> -D
> 
> On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aldis.  I prefer the shopping experience at Lidl but they don't have self
> checkout.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
> wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
> 
> Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
> thunk?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
> to 

Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How can they do anything with WiFi or Bluetooth unless you click to allow on 
your phone?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 4:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple of things I do to express my displeasure about this:
> 
> 1.) I use a 3x5 card for a list. When I check out, I fold it in half and 
> place it over the camera on the top of the monitor. This throws the motion 
> detection off, and it also prevents recording me or my face.
> 
> 2.) I never use debit when I pay, I always run my card as a credit card 
> transaction. Why? The merchant fees are higher if you run your card as a 
> credit card rather than a debit.
> 
> I also turn off my phone Wi-Fi and Bluetooth whenever I go into a Wally 
> World. They’re really aggressive about collecting data on you as you move 
> through the store. I’m not giving it to them freely.
> 
> FU, Dead Sam!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Aldis.  I prefer the shopping experience at Lidl but they don't have self
>> checkout.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
 wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
 
 Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
 thunk?
 
 -Curt
 
 
 On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
 day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
 whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
 to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
 when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
 groceries.
 
 But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
 
 AZBob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
 figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
 Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
 stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
 for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> 
> Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
 the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
 checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
 anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
 oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
 inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
 busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
 mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> 
> There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
 the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
 my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
 populace.
> 
> Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
 still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

There are a couple of things I do to express my displeasure about this:

1.) I use a 3x5 card for a list. When I check out, I fold it in half and place 
it over the camera on the top of the monitor. This throws the motion detection 
off, and it also prevents recording me or my face.

2.) I never use debit when I pay, I always run my card as a credit card 
transaction. Why? The merchant fees are higher if you run your card as a credit 
card rather than a debit.

I also turn off my phone Wi-Fi and Bluetooth whenever I go into a Wally World. 
They’re really aggressive about collecting data on you as you move through the 
store. I’m not giving it to them freely.

FU, Dead Sam!

-D

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aldis.  I prefer the shopping experience at Lidl but they don't have self
> checkout.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
>>> wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
>>> 
>>> Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
>>> thunk?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
>>> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
>>> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
>>> to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
>>> when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
>>> groceries.
>>> 
>>> But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
>>> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
>>> Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
>>> stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
>>> for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
>>> 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
 
 Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
>>> the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
>>> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
>>> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
>>> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
>>> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
>>> busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
>>> mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
 
 There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
>>> the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
>>> my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
>>> populace.
 
 Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
>>> still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
 
 --
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I avoid self checkout at other stores, but Aldi offers a streamlined and
painless experience.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 10:05 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have always refused to use any self checkout. comesfrom my union days
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024, 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
> > wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
> >
> > Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
> > thunk?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
> > day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
> > whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and
> prices
> > to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going
> down
> > when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
> > groceries.
> >
> > But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
> > figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
> > Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the
> other
> > stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue
> versions
> > for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed
> the
> > 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> > >
> > > Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
> > the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions
> no
> > checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
> > anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack
> of
> > oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
> > inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
> > busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
> > mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> > >
> > > There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
> > the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
> > my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of
> the
> > populace.
> > >
> > > Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
> > still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have always refused to use any self checkout. comesfrom my union days

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024, 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
> wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
>
> Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
> thunk?
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
> to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
> when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
> groceries.
>
> But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
> Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
> stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
> for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
> 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> >
> > Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
> the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
> busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
> mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> > There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
> the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
> my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
> populace.
> >
> > Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
> still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Aldis.  I prefer the shopping experience at Lidl but they don't have self
checkout.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
>> wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
>>
>> Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
>> thunk?
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
>> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
>> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
>> to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
>> when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
>> groceries.
>>
>> But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
>> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
>> Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
>> stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
>> for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
>> 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
>> >
>> > Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
>> the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
>> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
>> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
>> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
>> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
>> busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
>> mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
>> >
>> > There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
>> the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
>> my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
>> populace.
>> >
>> > Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
>> still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love the self checkout at Aldos.  Sure beats the endless lines.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to
> wait longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.
>
> Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda
> thunk?
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
> to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
> when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
> groceries.
>
> But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
> Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
> stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
> for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
> 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> >
> > Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
> the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
> busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
> mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> > There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
> the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
> my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
> populace.
> >
> > Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
> still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've stopped checking out my own groceries, even if it means I have to wait 
longer. I hate how they record me and treat me like a criminal.

Apparently some places have stopped self checkout because of theft. Whoda thunk?

-Curt


On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 06:26:29 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other day, 
that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to whatever it is 
supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices to reflect that. 
Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down when they got rid of 
cashiers and I had to start checking out my own groceries.

But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices. 

AZBob 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and 
> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for Euro 
> cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other stuff 
> they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions for 
> Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the 4 
> jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> 
> Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called the 
> attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no 
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said 
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of 
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been 
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very busy 
> there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was mobbed for 
> some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> 
> There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy the 
> 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll my own. 
>  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the populace.
> 
> Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was still 
> quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Couple of observations:

1.) I only buy AF from the stealer, so I get it full-strength.

2.) I have noticed our Mercado de Wal is offering staffed checkout again, and 
not just one, typically two or more. This is even in the early morning, like 
7-ish on Saturday and Sunday.

Used to be you were funneled into a row or two of self-checkout terminals and 
there was one person in charge of overseeing them. Guess shrinkage is costing 
more than human checkout…

On the flip side, my local Lowe’s has been remodeled so that they no longer 
have staffed checkouts. There are two or three people hanging around, but 
you’re now required to scan your own stuff, lines are based on whether or not 
you’re using plastic or cash. Used to be there were two self-checkouts and 4-6 
lines, if I recall.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and figured 
> I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for Euro cars 
> was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other stuff they 
> had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions for Asian 
> and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the 4 jugs on 
> the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> 
> Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called the 
> attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no 
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said 
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of 
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been 
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very busy 
> there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was mobbed for 
> some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> 
> There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy the 
> 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll my own. 
>  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the populace.
> 
> Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was still 
> quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's called willpower.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:26 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other
> day, that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to
> whatever it is supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices
> to reflect that. Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down
> when they got rid of cashiers and I had to start checking out my own
> groceries.
>
> But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and
> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for
> Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other
> stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions
> for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the
> 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> >
> > Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called
> the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very
> busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was
> mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> > There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy
> the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll
> my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the
> populace.
> >
> > Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was
> still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I was thinking, as I was in the self check out at the Safeway the other day, 
that we’ve been told if the minimum wage and Arizona goes up to whatever it is 
supposed to go up to, we can expect to see a rise and prices to reflect that. 
Which lead me to think I don’t remember prices going down when they got rid of 
cashiers and I had to start checking out my own groceries.

But we all know there is a check valve in the pipeline of rising prices. 

AZBob 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2024, at 3:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and 
> figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for Euro 
> cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the other stuff 
> they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue versions for 
> Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I grabbed the 4 
> jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.
> 
> Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called the 
> attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions no 
> checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have said 
> anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The lack of 
> oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had I been 
> inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It wasn't very busy 
> there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too and it was mobbed for 
> some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.
> 
> There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy the 
> 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to roll my own. 
>  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down of the populace.
> 
> Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was still 
> quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.
> 
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[MBZ] Blue Benz antifreeze at El Mercado de Wal

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I went to El Mercado de Wal to get a battery for my tractor today and 
figured I'd pick up a coupla jugs of antifreeze.  Saw the blue stuff for 
Euro cars was on clearance for $9.50 which was lower than any of the 
other stuff they had, and was $16.63 regular price.  There are some blue 
versions for Asian and Merkun cars too but this one was on clearance.  I 
grabbed the 4 jugs on the shelf, said it was for 2014 and earlier Benzes.


Go to the (self) checkout and the jugs rang up normal price so I called 
the attendant woman over and she adjusted the price for me, no questions 
no checking, so I appreciated that.  It got me thinking I could have 
said anything, I don't think she really cared one way or the other.  The 
lack of oversight there I could have walked out with the whole load had 
I been inclined to do so, which is probably not very uncommon.  It 
wasn't very busy there either which was kinda unusual, I hit Costco too 
and it was mobbed for some reason on a early Tuesday afternoon.


There is no full strength AF on the shelves any more, you have to buy 
the 50/50 stuff which I guess is more convenient but I kinda like to 
roll my own.  Oh well, progress and an accommodation to the dumbing down 
of the populace.


Anyway, it was a good deal.  Costco had M1 oil on sale too but it was 
still quite a bit more than the Costco flavor.


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