Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Excellent, Tom. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tom tomscat Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 AM To: mercedes diesel Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on Hi Philip, The process: First of all, a point of clarificatrion: this isn't really an emergency shut down. In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off valve, it is an ordinary shut down. I do it every time I drive the car until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a spare. Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process. It is fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart. Here's how it's done: 1) Turn ignition key to off position. 2) If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off. If the shut off valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little noticeable effect on the engine: it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing. If you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a week later, and find it still going. Ask me how I know. :) 3) Pop your hood open. 4) Exit the car as you normally would. 5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood. 6) This is the technically complicated part: it requires that you be able to (a) read or at least recognize the words STOP ENGINE; or (b) be able to recognize the color red. 7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button (about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection pump with the words STOP ENGINE emblazoned on it. 8) Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion. 9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill the engine. Congratulation! You are done! BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot. I can only personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my car was still running outside. :) As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: 1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above; or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum. Oh, the Horror! :) Thanks, Curt. :) Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today) Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:03 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090916142003.e9cabbbe.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII tom tomscat wrote: And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one. Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a ChowdahQ. What's the proccess? How's it done? What are the dangers? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Philip _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/c7 1683c7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
Right-that is the solution I heard the car talk guys give one day-they were obviously ignorant of the shut down switch. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
It also is a lot less disruptive of your trips to not have to open the hood every time you want to shut it down, but the idea of months of sucking on the tube ... not so much. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown Right-that is the solution I heard the car talk guys give one day-they were obviously ignorant of the shut down switch. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
Hook up a Mity Vac, you could shoot it off. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:06:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown It also is a lot less disruptive of your trips to not have to open the hood every time you want to shut it down, but the idea of months of sucking on the tube ... not so much. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown Right-that is the solution I heard the car talk guys give one day-they were obviously ignorant of the shut down switch. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/8655ca57/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Wilton - Original Message - From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:07 AM Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on Hi Philip, The process: First of all, a point of clarificatrion: this isn't really an emergency shut down. In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off valve, it is an ordinary shut down. I do it every time I drive the car until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a spare. Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process. It is fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart. Here's how it's done: 1) Turn ignition key to off position. 2) If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off. If the shut off valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little noticeable effect on the engine: it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing. If you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a week later, and find it still going. Ask me how I know. :) 3) Pop your hood open. 4) Exit the car as you normally would. 5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood. 6) This is the technically complicated part: it requires that you be able to (a) read or at least recognize the words STOP ENGINE; or (b) be able to recognize the color red. 7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button (about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection pump with the words STOP ENGINE emblazoned on it. 8) Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion. 9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill the engine. Congratulation! You are done! BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot. I can only personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my car was still running outside. :) As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: 1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above; or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum. Oh, the Horror! :) Thanks, Curt. :) Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today) Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:03 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090916142003.e9cabbbe.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII tom tomscat wrote: And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one. Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a ChowdahQ. What's the proccess? How's it done? What are the dangers? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Philip _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/c71683c7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Even more technical is keep the car in gear and slowly release the clutch until the car stalls. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Yes-my brother ran a cable out under the fender well with a loop to pull shutoff on his 240D. (Now mine with new vacuum pull off switch) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
I'm here for you! Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:07:09 -0400 From: tom tomscat tomsc...@hotmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on To: mercedes diesel mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: bay109-w8a632d1c67cf839b20e968d...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: 1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above; or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum. Oh, the Horror! :) Thanks, Curt. :) Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/a23d7a70/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Yet another thing to like about manual trans... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:13:44 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 00adca1f5ed24419a3d38ef4d3093...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/b82f91d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Hard to do with this auto trans crap MBNA keeps cramming down our throats. At 09:46 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote: Even more technical is keep the car in gear and slowly release the clutch until the car stalls. Sent from my iPhone Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
On my old 200D (cable shutdown), I unhooked the start,shutoff cable and ran a aux cable into the cabin. Mounted it under the dash and made a pull ring out of a piece of 1.5 square tubing Used that for shutdown. Then I could push in the start switch, lock the ign and steering, lock the car and leave the car idle to run in and out, or if it was really cold out. Starting was normal, but I separated the shutdown function from the multi-purpose push-pull/ignition switch. It worked really well. At 09:50 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote: Yes-my brother ran a cable out under the fender well with a loop to pull shutoff on his 240D. (Now mine with new vacuum pull off switch) Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown
Bill R wrote: I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. One more reason for a manual transmission. Clutch and 4th gear shut it off easy and smooth. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Or you could go all out, and just fix the problem. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/9/17 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/7b28c9f1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Of course, I fixed the problem, but for a coupla days, I shut it off manually. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on Or you could go all out, and just fix the problem. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/9/17 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net WILTON wrote: I also performed this highly technical feat on my 80 240D many years ago when it had a vac leak. I had long before already read STOP ENGINE emblazoned in red and white on the lever near the IP, so I was ready. Instead of running a hose to the vac shutoff, you could run a wire to the shutoff lever. I never did figure out why my 300SD's shutoff lever takes as much effort as Clay's starter switch, while my 190D and 300D shut off with light finger pressure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/7b28c9f1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Me too. 76 300D. Sometimes turns off with the key, especially if it is warm out and the car has run for a bit and got warm too. Otherwise, I have to open the hood and push the stop doodad. I have started to wonder if I might be causing undue wear and tear on the hood release. Should just find the leak and fix it. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tom tomscat Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07 PM To: mercedes diesel Subject: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on Hi Philip, The process: First of all, a point of clarificatrion: this isn't really an emergency shut down. In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off valve, it is an ordinary shut down. I do it every time I drive the car until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a spare. Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process. It is fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart. Here's how it's done: 1) Turn ignition key to off position. 2) If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off. If the shut off valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little noticeable effect on the engine: it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing. If you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a week later, and find it still going. Ask me how I know. :) 3) Pop your hood open. 4) Exit the car as you normally would. 5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood. 6) This is the technically complicated part: it requires that you be able to (a) read or at least recognize the words STOP ENGINE; or (b) be able to recognize the color red. 7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button (about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection pump with the words STOP ENGINE emblazoned on it. 8) Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion. 9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill the engine. Congratulation! You are done! BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot. I can only personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my car was still running outside. :) As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: 1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above; or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum. Oh, the Horror! :) Thanks, Curt. :) Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today) Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:03 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090916142003.e9cabbbe.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII tom tomscat wrote: And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one. Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a ChowdahQ. What's the proccess? How's it done? What are the dangers? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Philip _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/c71683c7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown ATTN Jim C
Tell me more - where was the restriction? Randy -Original Message- Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I rigged up my son's car that way until we could do a vac pump rebuild. Worked OK, and was a conversation piece. --R Bill R wrote: I looked at one a year or so ago that had a clear plastic hose [like an aquarium air line] coming out of the dash. The owner enjoyed explaining how he had to suck it off to get it to shut down. I didn't want to do a test drive for some reason. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: Don't forget the old fingers-in-the-fan-belt danger! Our now-sold 240D wouldn't shut down properly, but it turned out to be a vacuum supply problem. (A too-small orifice from the main line.) It also had cruise control problems as a result of this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/e322e5fd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I actually did that for a while w/ my 240D. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: It also is a lot less disruptive of your trips to not have to open the hood every time you want to shut it down, but the idea of months of sucking on the tube ... not so much. BillR -- DPAD. The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/8d8b0f9e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown ATTN Jim C
Tell me more - where was the restriction? In the fitting off the big hose to the brake booster. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb240d.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay
tom tomscat wrote: And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one. Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a ChowdahQ. What's the proccess? How's it done? What are the dangers? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on
Hi Philip, The process: First of all, a point of clarificatrion: this isn't really an emergency shut down. In my case, on my 1975 300D with a blown injection pump shut off valve, it is an ordinary shut down. I do it every time I drive the car until I get around to replacing that shut off valve with the one have as a spare. Many owners of older MB diesels are familiar with this process. It is fairly technically complicated, and not recommended for the faint of heart. Here's how it's done: 1) Turn ignition key to off position. 2) If your shut off valve is working properly, the engine should quit within a few seconds, since the fuel has been cut off. If the shut off valve is NOT working properly, turning off the key will have very little noticeable effect on the engine: it will continue to run for as long as the mechanical injection pump keeps fuel flowing. If you have a full fuel tank, you could leave it in the airport long term parking, come back a week later, and find it still going. Ask me how I know. :) 3) Pop your hood open. 4) Exit the car as you normally would. 5) Proceed to the front of the car and lift the hood. 6) This is the technically complicated part: it requires that you be able to (a) read or at least recognize the words STOP ENGINE; or (b) be able to recognize the color red. 7) Proceed with a hard target search under the hood for a small red button (about an inch square) on the driver's side of the engine over the injection pump with the words STOP ENGINE emblazoned on it. 8) Apply pressure to this button with your thumb--- or perhaps another digit that you are comfortable with-- in a downward motion. 9) This button cuts the fuel supply from the injection pump, and should kill the engine. Congratulation! You are done! BTW, I was kidding about the week in the airport parking lot. I can only personally vouch for the fact that it will continue running for over an hour and 15 minutes... which is when my bookkeeper arrived and asked me why my car was still running outside. :) As far as the dangers involved from my perspective, they are twofold: 1) the embarrassment of finding a plausible answer when your bookkeeper asks the question above; or far worse is 2) the danger of arriving at your local ChowdahQ a little late, and being warmly greeted by the group, including your camera-happy host, who surreptitiously photographs you in the act, and then posts the pic on a world-wide Mercedes Benz forum. Oh, the Horror! :) Thanks, Curt. :) Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a bunch of feral BMWs (5, as of 4pm today) Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:03 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Emergency shutdown - was: ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090916142003.e9cabbbe.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII tom tomscat wrote: And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel. after one has blown one's injection pump shut-off valve. It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one. Don't hold out on us. Not all of us are able to travel to a ChowdahQ. What's the proccess? How's it done? What are the dangers? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Philip _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090917/c71683c7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
CO2 extinguisher or open the cap nuts on the injection lines (17mm on a 61x, 14 mm on a 60x engine). MB recommends loosening the lines. DO NOT use a towel on a turbo equiped engine, it WILL get ingested (possibly along with you fingers or hand). Have the wrench in your hand when you start the car the first time -- better yet, have it on #1 injector! Probably won't have anything happen, but I know two people who had a Benz diesel run away -- on got covered in fuel by opening the injectors, the other lost an engine. Peter
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Thanks for the pointer, Peter. I will do everything Marshall suggested and will also do what you suggested. I have total confidence on my ability to do this job without destroying my engine. But military aviation ingrained into me the need to always have a plan in my back pocket in case things suddenly go bad. You know -- always know how much fuel you have left (measured in worst case scenario an engine out terms) and where the nearest airport is. This is something I just can't shake, and that is probably to my benefit that I can't. I think they have a word to describe me: pessimist. I don't see the glass as either half full or half empty -- I am checking the glass for hairline cracks that could cause it to shatter in my hand, and if that should happen I know when I had my last tetanus shot. [Boys and girls, can you say anal?] Don On 8/17/05, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CO2 extinguisher or open the cap nuts on the injection lines (17mm on a 61x, 14 mm on a 60x engine). MB recommends loosening the lines. DO NOT use a towel on a turbo equiped engine, it WILL get ingested (possibly along with you fingers or hand). Have the wrench in your hand when you start the car the first time -- better yet, have it on #1 injector! Probably won't have anything happen, but I know two people who had a Benz diesel run away -- on got covered in fuel by opening the injectors, the other lost an engine. Peter ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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Marshall Booth wrote: 2. Shut off air (easiest way is to direct a CO2 extinguisher into the air intake) and that MIGHT be by covering the air intake if nothing else were available. I'd be slightly surprised if covering the intake worked. A friend of mine tried it on a VW diesel once, and the diesel pulled enough vacuum to warp the plastic parts of the intake tract until they leaked enough air to keep it running. I also once forgot to remove a plastic sandwich bag I'd taped over the air cleaner opening of a diesel VW Vanagon, after washing the engine. The engine popped the bag at idle without even hesitating. This was a little 1.6L NA.
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J.B. Hebert wrote: That would be great on a VW diesel, but most MB diesels have a mechanical fuel pump. So do pre-TDI VW diesels.
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I was thinking something like a beach towel, not a plastic bag. On 8/17/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: 2. Shut off air (easiest way is to direct a CO2 extinguisher into the air intake) and that MIGHT be by covering the air intake if nothing else were available. I'd be slightly surprised if covering the intake worked. A friend of mine tried it on a VW diesel once, and the diesel pulled enough vacuum to warp the plastic parts of the intake tract until they leaked enough air to keep it running. I also once forgot to remove a plastic sandwich bag I'd taped over the air cleaner opening of a diesel VW Vanagon, after washing the engine. The engine popped the bag at idle without even hesitating. This was a little 1.6L NA. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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Mathieu J. Cama wrote: The early VW diesels (A1, A2 chassis) will keep on running until it runs out of fuel or something catastrophic happens. If the alternator dies on an early VW diesel, it will run until the battery voltage drops too low to hold the stop solenoid open. I've heard as little as 9 volts will do the trick.
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I stopped one with a denim jacket once, so I know it works. Also, the M-B diesel has no plastic parts in the intake tract. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:09 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures I was thinking something like a beach towel, not a plastic bag. On 8/17/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: 2. Shut off air (easiest way is to direct a CO2 extinguisher into the air intake) and that MIGHT be by covering the air intake if nothing else were available. I'd be slightly surprised if covering the intake worked. A friend of mine tried it on a VW diesel once, and the diesel pulled enough vacuum to warp the plastic parts of the intake tract until they leaked enough air to keep it running. I also once forgot to remove a plastic sandwich bag I'd taped over the air cleaner opening of a diesel VW Vanagon, after washing the engine. The engine popped the bag at idle without even hesitating. This was a little 1.6L NA. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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What about that gooseneck going from the air cleaner to the turbo on my 617? Looks plastic to me, sturdy though. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/18/05, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stopped one with a denim jacket once, so I know it works. Also, the M-B diesel has no plastic parts in the intake tract.
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Potter, Tom E wrote: I stopped one with a denim jacket once, so I know it works. Also, the M-B diesel has no plastic parts in the intake tract. Maybe no plastics in 123 and older cars (isn't the U from the air filter to the turbo intake made from soft synthetic plastic?), but there is both hard and soft plastics at the distal ends of the air intake path of 201/124 and later Mercedes diesels!! A denim jacket or large hunk of carpet, carpet padding, canvas tarp, etc. can all sufficiently block the air intake to stop the engine. CO2 extinguisher is REALLY the easiest way though. If you press on the shutdown lever BEFORE you replace the shutoff valve (to get a feel for it) and then after, if the attachment lever isn't correctly engaged, the shutdown lever will NOT feel the same or move the same distance. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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Someone replacing the shutoff valve should have had LOTS of practice with the manual shutoff by the time he/she gets around to replacing it. I know I sure have pushed it a few times in the last week or so. On 8/18/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you press on the shutdown lever BEFORE you replace the shutoff valve (to get a feel for it) and then after, if the attachment lever isn't correctly engaged, the shutdown lever will NOT feel the same or move the same distance. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
[MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
I am hoping to receive my new shutoff valve from Rusty today/tomorrow and am anxious to do the intallation. Even though I fully understand that if you do this job right there is no danger of destroying the engine due to a run-away, I want to be prepared for a worst case scenerio. Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. Am I forgetting something that is easier? -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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Like the big stop button on the throttle linkage? Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/17/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I forgetting something that is easier?
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What he means is when the stop button won't work. A dire emergency. Don, do this: 1: Put the new valve back in place 2: Leave all 4 bolts loose about 1/8-1/4 3: Apply vacuum with MightyVac and watch valve suck itself into the IP and pull the stop lever down. 4: Tightenen everything down. 5: Clean hands, tools, and work area. 6: Throw trash away. 7: Start car and drive away with a clean mind. 8: Stop car somewhere, and enjoy the quick response to shutting off. Simple, enjoy! Luther -Original Message- From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 17, 2005 11:01 AM To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures Like the big stop button on the throttle linkage? Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/17/05, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I forgetting something that is easier? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
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Personally, I like to loosen the injector lines from the injectors, pull a vacuum with a mity-vac on the shut off valve, and then crank the motor. If the valve is seated correctly there should be no fuel coming from the pump. If there is fuel, it should be a good amount, and then, yes, the valve is installed wrong pushing the pump to a full rich mixture. While this is a bit of labor, it allows a test before assuming a great risk. I used to do this when learning the feel for a properly installed shut off valve. When the valve is installed properly, before fastening it to the pump, you should be able to pull the valve back and feel resistance from within the pump due the valve being hooked into the pump lever inside. However, it can be misleading if you have never done one before. Use extreme caution if this is your only means of a test. Should a run away occur, I hear CO2 works well. Personally, I would cut the fuel supply line from the fuel filter housing to the injection pump with a pair of wire cutters. A fuel line is far cheaper than a motor. Ensure you know what line to cut if you should need to. It will be the line going from the filter to the pump. On US spec the line runs to the pump facing the fender, NOT the motor (that is the return line). On Euros the line goes in to the nose of the pump. Your filter housing may have an arrow indicating flow direction. Cutting the supply lines at the feed pump will be moot, as it takes much longer to shut the motor down as all the fuel in the filter will have to be consumed first. Rags may work, but you risk having one ingested into the motor. Not a good thing. Have fun. Mathieu At 10:48 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: I am hoping to receive my new shutoff valve from Rusty today/tomorrow and am anxious to do the intallation. Even though I fully understand that if you do this job right there is no danger of destroying the engine due to a run-away, I want to be prepared for a worst case scenerio. Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. Am I forgetting something that is easier? -- If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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No, I think the emergency stop doesn't work if the shutoff valve isn't in correctly.
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On US motors the STOP button does not move. This will only apply to Euro motors and the later pumps in the 60X motors. At 11:11 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: What he means is when the stop button won't work. A dire emergency. Don, do this: 1: Put the new valve back in place 2: Leave all 4 bolts loose about 1/8-1/4 3: Apply vacuum with MightyVac and watch valve suck itself into the IP and pull the stop lever down. 4: Tightenen everything down. 5: Clean hands, tools, and work area. 6: Throw trash away. 7: Start car and drive away with a clean mind. 8: Stop car somewhere, and enjoy the quick response to shutting off. Simple, enjoy! Luther
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
It does not work in that case. At 11:11 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: No, I think the emergency stop doesn't work if the shutoff valve isn't in correctly.
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
LT Don wrote: I am hoping to receive my new shutoff valve from Rusty today/tomorrow and am anxious to do the intallation. Even though I fully understand that if you do this job right there is no danger of destroying the engine due to a run-away, I want to be prepared for a worst case scenerio. Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. Am I forgetting something that is easier? Don, Three ways to shut off the engine. 1. Shut off fuel (hard to do instantly because there is some in the injection pump, and the big filter). 2. Shut off air (easiest way is to direct a CO2 extinguisher into the air intake) and that MIGHT be by covering the air intake if nothing else were available. 3 Stall the engine (really tough without a brick wall if the engine is winding up). Changing out the shutoff really is not at all difficult, but you can mess up. With the MityVac test that the late Randy Durrance popularized, you can ascertain that vacuum WILL shut off the fuel supply. From the Files of Scary Moments with Apprentices: If the shut off diaphragm is bad, the replacement isn't very hard. However it is VERY important that the 90 degree bend at the end of the arm of the diaphragm is engaged properly. To make sure it's in correctly, use a handheld vacuum pump to operate the diaphragm after you put it in the back of the pump. If it is properly connected, it will hold itself in place. If it still moves around or falls out try again. If the hook isn't where it belongs you will not be able to shut the engine off without disconnecting the fuel supply. Regards, Randy D. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. Push down all the way on the (vertical) linkage rod that actually works on the injector pump. Or was that pull up? No, must be down. (Can't go out and look, car is not here.) The STOP button does that anyway, no? If your stop button does not work then you have a major linkage issue, nothing to do with the vacuum shutoff. Mac
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Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. Push down all the way on the (vertical) linkage rod that actually works on the injector pump. Or was that pull up? No, must be down. (Can't go out and look, car is not here.) The STOP button does that anyway, no? If your stop button does not work then you have a major linkage issue, nothing to do with the vacuum shutoff. Mac If the shutoff link is not properly engaged, moving the lever often will NOT shut off fuel. The incorrectly installed link CAN prevent sufficient movement within the pump to shut off fuel! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
Steve MacSween wrote: Push down all the way on the (vertical) linkage rod that actually works on the injector pump. Or was that pull up? No, must be down. (Can't go out and look, car is not here.) The STOP button does that anyway, no? If your stop button does not work then you have a major linkage issue, nothing to do with the vacuum shutoff. If the vacuum shutoff switch is not engaged properly, I don't think the stop lever will help you, as the injection pump rack is shoved by the end of the shutoff lever into the realm of Oh snap!. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 267+kmi 1980 300TD 168+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi
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The towel or the fire extinguisher work fine. I have used both. Some marine GM diesels had a flapper in the intake manifold for emergency shutoff. I had a LARGE Sulzer run away with me once (broken shaft in the injector pump distributor). Luckily it had a cutout on EACH injector. I pulled all the cutouts and ran from the engine room. It reached about 1200 rpm before it ran out of fuel (It usually ran at 450-500 rpm). I was lucky. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:43 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner.
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How bout a home made kill switch? Take a fuse that will fit for your fuel pump. burn it. solder it to a swith w/ an inline fuse -- Original message -- The towel or the fire extinguisher work fine. I have used both. Some marine GM diesels had a flapper in the intake manifold for emergency shutoff. I had a LARGE Sulzer run away with me once (broken shaft in the injector pump distributor). Luckily it had a cutout on EACH injector. I pulled all the cutouts and ran from the engine room. It reached about 1200 rpm before it ran out of fuel (It usually ran at 450-500 rpm). I was lucky. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:43 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
That would be great on a VW diesel, but most MB diesels have a mechanical fuel pump. J.B. At 01:29 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: How bout a home made kill switch? Take a fuse that will fit for your fuel pump. burn it. solder it to a swith w/ an inline fuse -- Original message -- The towel or the fire extinguisher work fine. I have used both. Some marine GM diesels had a flapper in the intake manifold for emergency shutoff. I had a LARGE Sulzer run away with me once (broken shaft in the injector pump distributor). Luckily it had a cutout on EACH injector. I pulled all the cutouts and ran from the engine room. It reached about 1200 rpm before it ran out of fuel (It usually ran at 450-500 rpm). I was lucky. Thomas E. Potter Telephone: (713) 215-2877 Fax: (713) 215-2551 Mobile: (832) 794-0536 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:43 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please review for me the ways to quickly kill the engine if disaster should strike? The ones that come to mind are firing a CO2 fire extinguisher into or stuffing a towel into the air cleaner. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
These diesels do not have electronic fuel pumps. Once started, these motors needs no electricity to stay running. It would be nice if it were that simple. Mathieu At 01:29 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: How bout a home made kill switch? Take a fuse that will fit for your fuel pump. burn it. solder it to a swith w/ an inline fuse
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
So my VW diesel will stop running eventually if I unhook the battery? All I really need my battery for in the MB is to start it up. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/17/05, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These diesels do not have electronic fuel pumps. Once started, these motors needs no electricity to stay running. It would be nice if it were that simple. Mathieu At 01:29 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: How bout a home made kill switch? Take a fuse that will fit for your fuel pump. burn it. solder it to a swith w/ an inline fuse ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
All the diesel VW's I've seen have electric fuel pumps, so I would assume that no juice means no vroom. Some models may be different, however. J.B. At 02:06 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: So my VW diesel will stop running eventually if I unhook the battery? All I really need my battery for in the MB is to start it up. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 8/17/05, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These diesels do not have electronic fuel pumps. Once started, these motors needs no electricity to stay running. It would be nice if it were that simple. Mathieu At 01:29 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: How bout a home made kill switch? Take a fuse that will fit for your fuel pump. burn it. solder it to a swith w/ an inline fuse ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] emergency shutdown procedures
Tim, You've got it. The shut off stops fuel flow. Mathieu At 02:29 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: I've found the manual shutoff for the VW TDI engine. It's similar to my MB 617, but it doesn't have the big red stop sign on it. I understand that it shuts off the fuel flow. That's how the MB shutoff works, right? Tim 1982 300TD Moby
