Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-04-05 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Sorry to be so late on this response: there is no distinct taste of vinegar to me in the finished broth. It is a small enough amount that the taste blends in nicely with the other flavors. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-04 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. ...eh... Immortality is probably waay over rated, if not fantastical. I'll take tasty and good for health, please. mao

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-03 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-03 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Using bones for soup stock (or anything else you use stock in) is as old as cooking. Best to roast the bones to get rid of some of the fat an brown them a bit for more flavor, then simmer overnight (12 hours or longer, no boiling, simmering) to dissolve all the collagen. Very rich tasty

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2015-03-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
clay wrote: ...Reminded me of Granny having a pot on the stove each week where she was drowning bones. My neighbor said people keep this stuff on the stove all the time for generations. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Greg wrote: ...add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. They want cooled broth to be gelatinous. Does your vinegar addition help to get gelatinous broth when cooled? mao - at least this is not

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
Mom was on the veggie bandwagon for a number of years, and ended up with pernicious anemia. Now she has severe neuropathy, needs meds, B12 shots, and occasionally eats red meat. The damage is done, and after seeing the results on her and on my sister, you would be hard pressed to convince me

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
Seattle is huge on the current bone soup craze. There was a full page in the paper dedicated to recipes and the latest thoughts on its goodness. Reminded me of Granny having a pot on the stove each week where she was drowning bones. That stuff smelled so good. No idea what all she used

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Greg wrote: WRT bones in soup: what I like to do with a chicken carcass when I make soup is to add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. Yup. Best if the bones sit in the vinegar water for

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
WRT bones in soup: what I like to do with a chicken carcass when I make soup is to add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
OK Don wrote: ...This makes a great tasting beef soup. The radio show also mentioned chicken feet and head. Evidently all of the chicken heads and feet slaughtered in USA goes to Japan. They said it makes tasty broth? I might like to try that sometime, mmm chix head and feet. I just don't

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Chicken feet are sometimes served at Chinese dim sum restaurants. Very tasty though a PIA to eat. Never seen or eaten the head, though, and not interested.. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don wrote: ...This makes a great tasting

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
OK Don wrote: I don't think he meant bone meal, but soup bones boiled in stock to prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: ...The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... I ate can of smoked oysters the other day. Product of China - no thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I don't think he meant bone meal, but soup bones boiled in stock to prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes a great tasting beef soup.

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2015-02-27 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Peter wrote: ...the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. Dang!! The stuff people know on this list - amazing!! Cofactor? - I would need to google that to know more. A recent People's Pharmacy radio show interviewed a lady from

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Mountain Man wrote: The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat. I can live with that...snip It's been long enough for the public to have forgotten about people eating bone products back in the '70s and

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:22 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A graduate

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB On 27/02/2015 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
It's because I pointed out something about the fat guy and someone started in on vegans and then... --R On 2/27/15 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB On 27/02/2015 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My son is a karate

[MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
A graduate student, who was a vegetarian runner, came into the lab draw station for a large number of blood tests one day. He had gone to one of the doctors next door because he was having problems with memory; a serious situation for any college student. His lab reports were normal for all but

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called pernicious anemia the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. The result is severe anemia. This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle weakness.

Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-02-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I think that many of our discussion are like real life verbal ones (as opposed to these virtual ones) where the topic changes several times during the course of the discussion. Our technical topics tend to stay on topic more than the general ones (which I put the deadliest cars into) though they