Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I tried that on the SL. Made a little dam from duct tape and squirted some in there, left a little puddle hoping it would work in there. Didn't. Finally drilled it out. On 7/2/20 9:03 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: I don't think you need to get the Kroil on the threads, if you can lubricate the ball and seat, I think you'll find that's where the lug is stuck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I don't think you need to get the Kroil on the threads, if you can lubricate the ball and seat, I think you'll find that's where the lug is stuck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Read their documentation. Kroil “creeps”. At least that’s what they say, and based on my experience with the stuff, I believe them. -D > On Jul 2, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > How do you get the kroil to the threads? The seat on the head is tapered and > you can't really access the backside... > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:55 PM, Dan Penoff via > Mercedes wrote: Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new > impact. > > -D > >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and >> whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug >> wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one >> loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the >> wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may >> need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
How do you get the kroil to the threads? The seat on the head is tapered and you can't really access the backside... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact. -D > On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and > whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug > wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. > Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke > out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a > bigger impact gun. Any ideas? > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I had that issue with my '84 190D. One of the wheels was actually bent from being too tight. Interestingly on that car it was only one lug per wheel that was an issue.Guy down the street has a 1" gun for big trucks, it buzzed them right off. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Well that's too boring, nothing broke and nothing was set on fire? You need to learn how to lighten up and have some fun! Max Dillon Charleston SC Jun 29, 2020 7:16:09 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > I got the lugs off. After soaking in pb blaster the impact still wouldn’t > break the first wheel loose. Ended up getting a breaker bar, putting a long > cheater pipe on that and bouncing up and down on the end of it, they finally > broke loose. It ended up bending the shaft a little so the head was bit > perfectly straight. The other wheel came loose just fine. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I did soak them in PB blaster. I am not sure if it actually gets down in >> there though. Will try it again tomorrow. I probably need a new impact >> anyway. >> >>> On 6/28/2020 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I got the lugs off. After soaking in pb blaster the impact still wouldn’t break the first wheel loose. Ended up getting a breaker bar, putting a long cheater pipe on that and bouncing up and down on the end of it, they finally broke loose. It ended up bending the shaft a little so the head was bit perfectly straight. The other wheel came loose just fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I did soak them in PB blaster. I am not sure if it actually gets down in > there though. Will try it again tomorrow. I probably need a new impact > anyway. > >> On 6/28/2020 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact. >> >> -D >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and >>> whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug >>> wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one >>> loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the >>> wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may >>> need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I sheared off the head on the SL (they have a little shaft between the head the shoulder of the bolt) and had to drill out the bolt where it seated on the wheel, good thing I had a Drill Doctor to keep sharpening the bits. It was a bugger of a job --FT On 6/29/20 2:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: I think Grant suggested with Floyd's SL to cover the lug with a length of iron pipe and use a torch through the pipe to prevent damage to the aluminum rim. Rick Original Message From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: June 29, 2020 1:14 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts Mercedes uses a "ball & socket shape " lug nut. As opposed to what the USA cars use, which is a "Cone shape" The contact area of the ball & socket lug nut is much greater than a Cone shape lug nut. To break loose the ball and socket nut that is overly tight, you need to stretch the lug bolt to increase the length,, just a little... localized heat will do that... Shouldn't take a lot, you only need to grow the lug bolt portion a couple thousands of an inch to release the ball out of hard contact with the socket... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Yes, I did. You don't need to get the lug anywhere close to red hot, just "heat it up a bit". Then wait for 3 or 4 minutes for the heat to migrate down the shaft of the lug and for it to "grow in length". Then, apply wrench and loosen the lug. If it doesn't release easily, repeat the heat and try again... as you add more heat the lug will grow in length a thousands or two, which is enough to release the clamping force and let the ball turn in the socket of the wheel. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think Grant suggested with Floyd's SL to cover the lug with a length of > iron pipe and use a torch through the pipe to prevent damage to the > aluminum rim. > > Rick > > > > Original Message > > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: June 29, 2020 1:14 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts > > > Mercedes uses a "ball & socket shape " lug nut. > As opposed to what the USA cars use, which is a "Cone shape" > The contact area of the ball & socket lug nut is much greater than a Cone > shape lug nut. > > To break loose the ball and socket nut that is overly tight, you need to > stretch the lug bolt to increase the length,, just a little... localized > heat will do that... Shouldn't take a lot, you only need to grow the lug > bolt portion a couple thousands of an inch to release the ball out of hard > contact with the socket... > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I think Grant suggested with Floyd's SL to cover the lug with a length of iron pipe and use a torch through the pipe to prevent damage to the aluminum rim. Rick Original Message From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: June 29, 2020 1:14 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts Mercedes uses a "ball & socket shape " lug nut. As opposed to what the USA cars use, which is a "Cone shape" The contact area of the ball & socket lug nut is much greater than a Cone shape lug nut. To break loose the ball and socket nut that is overly tight, you need to stretch the lug bolt to increase the length,, just a little... localized heat will do that... Shouldn't take a lot, you only need to grow the lug bolt portion a couple thousands of an inch to release the ball out of hard contact with the socket... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Mercedes uses a "ball & socket shape " lug nut. As opposed to what the USA cars use, which is a "Cone shape" The contact area of the ball & socket lug nut is much greater than a Cone shape lug nut. To break loose the ball and socket nut that is overly tight, you need to stretch the lug bolt to increase the length,, just a little... localized heat will do that... Shouldn't take a lot, you only need to grow the lug bolt portion a couple thousands of an inch to release the ball out of hard contact with the socket... On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 5:41 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:04:59 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I did soak them in PB blaster. I am not sure if it actually gets down > > in there though. Will try it again tomorrow. I probably need a new > > impact anyway. > > You could also get one of those lug-nut-looseners from Northern Tool I > posted awhile back. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:04:59 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I did soak them in PB blaster. I am not sure if it actually gets down > in there though. Will try it again tomorrow. I probably need a new > impact anyway. You could also get one of those lug-nut-looseners from Northern Tool I posted awhile back. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Blue wrench. Heat up the head of the bolt, it will come off like butter. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jun 28, 2020 5:53:17 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and > whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug > wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. > Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke > out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a > bigger impact gun. Any ideas? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I did soak them in PB blaster. I am not sure if it actually gets down in there though. Will try it again tomorrow. I probably need a new impact anyway. On 6/28/2020 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact. -D On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
Kroil first. Lots cheaper than a new impact. -D > On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and > whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug > wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. > Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke > out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a > bigger impact gun. Any ideas? > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How to get off way over tight lug bolts
I was needing to pull the rear wheels off a wagon to replace the tires and whoever last installed them WAY overt ightened them. Standing on the MB lug wrench would not budget it. Put a long cheater pipe on it and got one loose. Moved on to the next one and it actually started twisting the wrench. Broke out the air impact gun, would not budget it. I guess I may need to go buy a bigger impact gun. Any ideas? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
