Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Russ Williams
Levi, R-12 connectors look like a Tire Stem welded to the pipe. When R-12 to R-134 conversions are done the R-134 adapter is screwed on top of the R-12 connector. Some of the 134 adapters have Red Lock-Tite (Stud & Bearing) on the threads making it hard to remove the 134 adapter. But it can be

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Jim Cathey
Also I believe the high side and low side valves are different, to prevent consumers from accidentally connecting a recharge can to the high side. This was possible in R12 systems and led to injuries as the can would explode under pressure. This was possible in _some_ R12 systems, but some late

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Allan Streib
"Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the > other? Or is the R12 one removed from the inside, then this R134 > with shrader fitted to the outside? Or is the R12 Shrader still > there and this is just an outer fitting? As I recal

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Jim Cathey
So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the other? No. Either you remove the one in the R12 fitting before you put on an R134a fitting that has its own, or the R134a fitting has an extension to push the button on the R12's valve. The latter is a pita because when/if the v

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Levi Smith
So, then there are actually TWO shrader valves, one on top of the other? Or is the R12 one removed from the inside, then this R134 with shrader fitted to the outside? Or is the R12 Shrader still there and this is just an outer fitting? Levi On 5/30/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Jim Cathey
In an R12 system converted to R134a, I've heard that the service port adapter fittings are "permanently" installed. Is this done with threadlocker? Could they be removed to do a reverse conversion, e.g. by using heat? Yup. And the cheapies don't even really need that. I've removed a connecto

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Allan Streib
In an R12 system converted to R134a, I've heard that the service port adapter fittings are "permanently" installed. Is this done with threadlocker? Could they be removed to do a reverse conversion, e.g. by using heat? Allan Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Hmm... Dunno, I don't know

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Jim Cathey
Hmm... Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like. They look an awful lot like a big-brother version of your basic tire valve stem. (The metal part.) It *looks* like that's part of the pipe... But for all I know, perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe? Exactl

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Levi Smith
Hmm... Dunno, I don't know what R12 connectors are like. There's a dust cap that screws on to a "pop-on" coupling that works with any of the R134 refill kits. It *looks* like that's part of the pipe... But for all I know, perhaps it's somehow threaded onto a smaller piece on the pipe? This is

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
What kind of R134 connectors do you have? The ones with their own schrader valves, or the ones that fit over the R12 service connector and have a little pushrod to open the original schrader valve? If the latter, can you fix the leak by removing the adapter (or was it coated in permanent threadloc

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-29 Thread BillR
290k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve Hmm, ok anyone happen to know if there's any particular size to the low side of th

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If you have to swap the actual schrader valve, you will have to drain the system first. Levi Smith wrote: Hmm, ok anyone happen to know if there's any particular size to the low side of that R134 in my 83' 300D? I started calling a couple auto parts places and they are telling me that there ar

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-29 Thread Levi Smith
Hmm, ok anyone happen to know if there's any particular size to the low side of that R134 in my 83' 300D? I started calling a couple auto parts places and they are telling me that there are lots of different sizes... I was hoping that by some miracle I might be able to get the valve swapped witho

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-28 Thread Jim Cathey
I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant? The outside threads are different. The inside threads (for the Schrader valve) are the same. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Different fittings. Still has the Schrader valve though. Levi Smith wrote: I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant? I.e. R12 and R134 have different "standard" fittings and if you don't change the valve then you won't be able to use the R134 charge fittings? Levi --

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-28 Thread Levi Smith
I thought you had to have different valves to be R134 compliant? I.e. R12 and R134 have different "standard" fittings and if you don't change the valve then you won't be able to use the R134 charge fittings? Levi On 5/28/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > since the AC was somewhat us

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-28 Thread Jim Cathey
since the AC was somewhat useful today. So, my questions are, is that thing a shrader valve? Either way can it be easily be replaced or otherwise likely fixed? It's a Schrader valve, but not exactly the same as a tire valve core. They often start to come unscrewed, I've tightened a few which

Re: [MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Levi Smith wrote: > So, my questions are, is that thing a shrader valve? Yes, but I don't think a tire stem core will be a direct replacement. You should be able to get new cores from an A/C repairman.

[MBZ] Leaking R134 valve

2007-05-27 Thread Levi Smith
OK, so I went to add some R134 to my 83' 300d as I've done in the past. Well, when I went to disconnect, the valve (low side) seems to be stuck open. I'm getting a lot of oil and a bit of air coming out. I tried reconnecting/disconnecting it but it seems to be stuck open. I ended up just puttin