Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats 67 Chevelle SS396 for me. My second car was one. It was a beautiful car. That and my first SDL are the best looking cars I ever had. I knew it would be worth money someday, but I couldn't afford it. A battleship gray 190Dc caught my attention, and the SS396 went away. I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Nothing like the certainty of self induced death to impress respect into a 16 yr old when horsepower defies the laws of physics and traction and good judgement. Been there, did that, lived. Car died. Grant... From the days when horsepower and head room were more important that airbags and crush zones. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats 67 Chevelle SS396 for me. My second car was one. It was a beautiful car. That and my first SDL are the best looking cars I ever had. I knew it would be worth money someday, but I couldn't afford it. A battleship gray 190Dc caught my attention, and the SS396 went away. I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
One of my son's HS classmates got a new Jaguar XK for his 16th bday when he got his license. Wrecked it within days so daddy bought him a Hummer. My son observed he should have given him a bottle of Jack Daniels too, just to hasten the inevitable. --R On 12/10/12 10:21 AM, G Mann wrote: Nothing like the certainty of self induced death to impress respect into a 16 yr old when horsepower defies the laws of physics and traction and good judgement. Been there, did that, lived. Car died. Grant... From the days when horsepower and head room were more important that airbags and crush zones. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats 67 Chevelle SS396 for me. My second car was one. It was a beautiful car. That and my first SDL are the best looking cars I ever had. I knew it would be worth money someday, but I couldn't afford it. A battleship gray 190Dc caught my attention, and the SS396 went away. I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
All 3 of my kids started with 240D automatics. I learned my lesson well. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
On 07/12/2012 10:13 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R Big dollars I guess, but have a listen to the new Jag. The orthodontist in our building has a new white Jag and when he fires it up and backs out of the parking stall, it sounds pretty mean. A very nice growl. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Rich Thomas wrote: One of my son's HS classmates got a new Jaguar XK for his 16th bday when he got his license. Wrecked it within days so daddy bought him a Hummer. Under the theory that it's better for his idiot offspring to kill somebody else's kid than himself? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ My wild teenager drove a '67 200D with a clutch that would slip if you gave it the least little bit too much fuel. Years later he told me he did run it wide open on the highway but it took several miles to get it up to maximum speed. He said that my not fixing the clutch probably saved his life. His classmates called it the White Tornado. Other than blowing up the school chemistry lab and tearing a major knee tendon playing football, his high school years were uneventful. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
A 190d is about the same, you would think it would be good for teen, my juvenile delinquent 16 year old still figured out how to get tickets in the thing and generally tear it up. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: All 3 of my kids started with 240D automatics. I learned my lesson well. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
LOL Sounds like you did. That 68 goat floptop would be worth bucks now. (as would my 67 SS396) I had one friend who had a 67 4 spd, and another with a 66 tri-power floptop 4 spd. Both went like a bat outa on the straight, but I could lose em in the twists with my 190Dc. All 3 of my kids started with 240D automatics. I learned my lesson well. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
I bought that thing for $1500 in 1972. I see them going for over 50k now. I wish I had it back. A high school buddy of mine bought a 1970 Hemi Cuda ragtop which he still has. I can't imagine what that thing would bring. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats LOL Sounds like you did. That 68 goat floptop would be worth bucks now. (as would my 67 SS396) I had one friend who had a 67 4 spd, and another with a 66 tri-power floptop 4 spd. Both went like a bat outa on the straight, but I could lose em in the twists with my 190Dc. All 3 of my kids started with 240D automatics. I learned my lesson well. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 800-741-5252 770-452-7320 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats My first car was a 1968 GTO convertible 4 speed with positraction. No power steering, no power brakes, but it had a power top, go figure. Great first car for 16 year old kid.bzzzt wrong. I tried to kill myself by accident a few times before I figured out how to drive it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd. Suite 260 Atlanta, GA 30360 Exactly why I think a 240D is a great first car. My kids never wrecked a car, or were even in a parking lot bump. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Have you had frost on 'em yet? S'posed to be better if they've had frost on 'em; friend's mom even put hers in freezer for a while when she couldn't wait for frost. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats Get some collards. I have been wanting me some collards the last few days, I made some turnip greens the other night but collards were what I wanted. There is a whole field full of them up the road, I was tempted this morning... --R On 12/7/12 11:17 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype
The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. The 60's cars were hot, the 70's were not. Marketing was working overtime (ala The Marching Morons?) to try to sell those pigs as hot anyway. Go-fast stripes, etc. Pollution standards were asinine, measured in ppm rather than parts-per-_mile_, so the 'solution' was to stuff a big choked-to-death engine in there that probably emitted as many or more nasties than a smaller, more efficient and powerful, and perhaps slightly dirtier in ppm engine that would have certainly wasted less gas, and thus, ipso facto, emitted less pollution. But hey, at least that smog was pre-diluted with a lot of air! Saved Brownian motion from having to do it in the atmosphere, there's a 'big win' for you. It's amazing that _finally_ they've gotten back to the power levels they once had, probably surpassing them, it only took them fifty years or so. Of course, the new engines are a lot cleaner, longer-lasting, and more reliable. But we're probably 20-30 years behind where we would be if regulators weren't so f-ing stupid. And a lot of needless petroleum burned along the way. The next frontier, of course, is to figure out that a typical transport appliance doesn't need more than about 150HP in order to be quite driveable, so the smaller more fuel-efficient engines should be coming along soon. Hell, my 55HP 200D is _very_ driveable, it's the extra torque (and the manny tranny) that make it so. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
I think I intended to say 70's rather than 60's. There were some good cars in the 60's. Much better than they were later. For example, a 68 Chevy Impala is still a nice car in my opinion, but I don't want a 73 or 74 version. And yes, I am amazed at what the little 4 cylinders do these days too. My wife has an 07 Accord with the 4 cylinder. She wishes she had the V6 but I am afraid she will do herself in with the 4. She drives that thing like it was Nascar. Randy On 07/12/2012 9:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype
So, I have to wonder if the reason we are moving ahead is that the current crop of engineers was growing up in the heyday of the muscle car? They want the power and we now have better tools to produce it. And, I would agree that most commuters don't need a whole lot of horsepower. My 76 115 300D is reasonably good in most cases and I think it is 77HP if memory serves to be correct. It struggles a bit in certain spots. We don't have a whole lot of freeways with merge ramps around here much so I don't have to get up to high speed all that quickly in most cases. The one spot that I run into periodically that makes me want more umph is a spot on the trip home from the lake. It is on the bypass around Kenora. If I go through town which I often do, then I have to come to a complete stop at a T intersection where the highway through town feeds me back onto the bypass heading west out of Kenora. So, I have to stop, and then make a 90 degree left turn onto the highway where the traffic is moving at 60+ mph. AND the first half a mile or more going west is uphill. I won't be up to much more than 50 mph by the time I crest that hill. I can easily get over the speed limit going down the other side, but getting to the crest of that hill from a dead stop is an issue and I often end up with transport trucks on my back bumper even if I have not pulled out when there are any vehicles approaching that are all that close. As you will have guessed, this is 2 lane so there is no left lane for them to pull into and go around me. I can get over onto the shoulder a bit but then they are probably over the center line if they want to go around me and there may well be oncoming traffic that would also have to shift right onto the shoulder at least in part. Not a good situation. It would appear that most current vehicles are better able to get up to speed than my old diesel. Randy On 07/12/2012 10:08 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. The 60's cars were hot, the 70's were not. Marketing was working overtime (ala The Marching Morons?) to try to sell those pigs as hot anyway. Go-fast stripes, etc. Pollution standards were asinine, measured in ppm rather than parts-per-_mile_, so the 'solution' was to stuff a big choked-to-death engine in there that probably emitted as many or more nasties than a smaller, more efficient and powerful, and perhaps slightly dirtier in ppm engine that would have certainly wasted less gas, and thus, ipso facto, emitted less pollution. But hey, at least that smog was pre-diluted with a lot of air! Saved Brownian motion from having to do it in the atmosphere, there's a 'big win' for you. It's amazing that _finally_ they've gotten back to the power levels they once had, probably surpassing them, it only took them fifty years or so. Of course, the new engines are a lot cleaner, longer-lasting, and more reliable. But we're probably 20-30 years behind where we would be if regulators weren't so f-ing stupid. And a lot of needless petroleum burned along the way. The next frontier, of course, is to figure out that a typical transport appliance doesn't need more than about 150HP in order to be quite driveable, so the smaller more fuel-efficient engines should be coming along soon. Hell, my 55HP 200D is _very_ driveable, it's the extra torque (and the manny tranny) that make it so. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
Get some collards. I have been wanting me some collards the last few days, I made some turnip greens the other night but collards were what I wanted. There is a whole field full of them up the road, I was tempted this morning... --R On 12/7/12 11:17 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Randy wrote: Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard deviations better than those old cars. 60,000 miles was practically worn out back then on MOST cars. AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too. Tune-ups every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles. Back then you had points and condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. Boy, I am glad those days are over. The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in the last 2 decades. We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord does now. For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran Torino? It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast. The 351 Windsor by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower. A current Toyota Camry has 178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police interceptor, it only had 202 HP. Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit. Those cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine that produced 180 horsepower. How dull. The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower. If you get the 3.5 V6, it has 271 HP. (that surprises me!) Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats
67 Chevelle SS396 for me. My second car was one. It was a beautiful car. That and my first SDL are the best looking cars I ever had. I knew it would be worth money someday, but I couldn't afford it. A battleship gray 190Dc caught my attention, and the SS396 went away. I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials until they melt? I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station yesterday, the plate said ND GAS --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
