Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-29 Thread Zeitgeist
Whatever... On Jan 29, 2008 3:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What topic would that be? When I setup the list I do not recall there > being any certain topic that was only allowed to be spoke of. > > Zeitgeist wrote: > > Well, please do, tell us all about your Mercedes Benz

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well there is what is known as the Nazi list, it is quite strict and anal retentive. Allan Streib wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:48 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: > >> this list has devolved into an almost off-topic, all the time affair. > > Well, you're right, but most listers seem to like it that way,

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
What topic would that be? When I setup the list I do not recall there being any certain topic that was only allowed to be spoke of. Zeitgeist wrote: > Well, please do, tell us all about your Mercedes Benz automobiles. Couldn't > be worse than the typical free-for-all bitch-fest about nothing th

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-29 Thread Zeitgeist
While the 300TD awaits my mechanical attentions, I'm forced to plod along through snow and sleet in the climate-controlled squalid discomfort of heated leather seats found in my Audi Quattro--so sad for me On Jan 29, 2008 11:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain > > I had three inches or so of snow with ice un

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-29 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 28, 2008 10:22 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Care to bitch about them, instead of everything, but...? > > Stinking 115 and 123 don't have enough ground clearance or > traction to negotiate our driveway right now. The 4wd Dodge > is even having a time of it. If only I could

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Jim Cathey
> Care to bitch about them, instead of everything, but...? Stinking 115 and 123 don't have enough ground clearance or traction to negotiate our driveway right now. The 4wd Dodge is even having a time of it. If only I could get a 4wd 124 diesel wagon! The MB's are all grounded, at least until we

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Allan Streib
Well that little 8v engine is tough if you give it reasonable care. Mine had close to 200K miles on it when I sold mine, and it still ran like new. Plus it's a non-interference engine unlike the later 16v. Allan On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Kevin wrote: > Not really. All four of the ones

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Kevin
Not really. All four of the ones in the yard are in varying states of disrepair, and even if they weren't, the stupid 8v A2 jetta I have is the current daily driver of choice, since 87 octane is WAY cheaper than diesel right now. It's not in the same class of car as your B4 passat wagon was, so I'

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Alan, Actually he is my favorite saint.. That's Saint Fu! {::<) I ask for his invocation many times.. Take care, Chuck On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > > Please STFU if you're just going to gripe. > > > ___ http://www

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
fair enough... On Jan 28, 2008 8:04 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:48 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: > > > this list has devolved into an almost off-topic, all the time affair. > > Well, you're right, but most listers seem to like it that way, or are > at least toler

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Allan Streib
On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:48 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: > this list has devolved into an almost off-topic, all the time affair. Well, you're right, but most listers seem to like it that way, or are at least tolerant of it. I find a lot of it interesting, especially the off-topic technical/mechanical

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Agreed, and that's what I typically do, and counsel others to do, quite frequently...but, this list has devolved into an almost off-topic, all the time affair. I've been member of this list (or the mbz.org list) since '03, and it's been an invaluable resource for most of that time...but, not so mu

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Allan Streib
Well, OK that was a bit harsh of a response I guess. But the thread subject pretty clearly indicates no MBZ content. Just delete it and move on if you're not interested. Allan On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:39 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: > Uh, this thread has no Mercedes content...capisce? This list is

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Uh, this thread has no Mercedes content...capisce? This list is ostensibly for the discussion of Mercedes Benz vehicles. There's the banned list and limitless other resources out there bitching about whatever crosses one's mind. Just sayin' On Jan 28, 2008 7:35 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Allan Streib
Pot? Kettle? Where's YOUR Mercedes Benz contribution to this thread? Please STFU if you're just going to gripe. Allan On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: > Well, please do, tell us all about your Mercedes Benz automobiles. > Couldn't > be worse than the typical free-for-all bit

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, please do, tell us all about your Mercedes Benz automobiles. Couldn't be worse than the typical free-for-all bitch-fest about nothing that seems to go on endlessly around here. Why not keep it slightly more focused on the topic at hand, eh? On Jan 28, 2008 7:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAI

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No, they are all doing fine, as far as what Im driving. Got plenty of projects though. Zeitgeist wrote: > Care to bitch about them, instead of everything, but...? > > On Jan 28, 2008 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have a few >> >> Zeitgeist wrote: >>> Does anyone

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Care to bitch about them, instead of everything, but...? On Jan 28, 2008 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a few > > Zeitgeist wrote: > > Does anyone here own a Mercedes Benz? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have a few Zeitgeist wrote: > Does anyone here own a Mercedes Benz? > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread OK Don
A what ? On Jan 28, 2008 8:31 AM, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone here own a Mercedes Benz? > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Zeitgeist
Does anyone here own a Mercedes Benz? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mer

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread LarryT
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance > Larry, > > I could sure use some more input. > > I also have Tri Care and for the first few years it was wonderful. > Howeve

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-28 Thread Dave H...
... -- From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:19 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance > Hi Dave, > I'm in a similar boat - 57 and disabled for ~10 years. Since I went on SS >

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2008-01-14 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: > > I believe the biggest problem the military has is underpaid enisted men - > especially those with families who find they need food stamps to get by. How about the guard and reserve troops who get deactivated one day short of earning military benefits for their full time service

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2008-01-14 Thread Curt Raymond
Does anybody else see the irony in how long this post got? Can we trim things please folks? My spacebar is gonna wear out. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:08:58 -0500 From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: To: "Mercedes Disc

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2008-01-14 Thread dave walton
; - Original Message - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: > > > > How about the military? Aside from stories abou

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2008-01-14 Thread LarryT
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2008-01-13 Thread dave walton
age - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: > > > >I thought all the anti-establishment types like you had already

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2008-01-13 Thread LarryT
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2008-01-12 Thread Mitch Haley
dave walton wrote: > > I thought all the anti-establishment types like you had already left for > Canada? Those weren't anti-establishment, they were just draft avoiders. The establishment in Canada is trying to catch up to the English nanny-state, but every time it looks like they've caught

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2008-01-12 Thread dave walton
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2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
-- Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: > Awhile back a friend of mine was in Germany when his appendix started > acting

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-12 Thread dave walton
age - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance > > > > > Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don&

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2008-01-12 Thread dave walton
t; - Original Message - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > > > > Your experience is atypical

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
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2008-01-12 Thread LarryT
edes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing. > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 11, 2008 9:26 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
> Actually, they're not getting *all* of your tax > dollars. Every school district receives a fixed > amount from the state and federal government for every > student in attendance. They may not be getting it, but I'm sure giving it! It's not that they'd notice directly, but if getting money fro

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread LWB250
Actually, they're not getting *all* of your tax dollars. Every school district receives a fixed amount from the state and federal government for every student in attendance. They're rabid about this in most district, making sure that every last child is accounted for, as each one means $$ in the

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my > health insurance premiums. Well I'm glad you realize it's not my responsibility. To quote Calvin Coolidge: "The normal must care for themselves." Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 __

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2008-01-11 Thread Lee Einer
Allan Streib wrote: I was responding to the earlier point > about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my > personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever > encountered being from the government plan (Medicare). > > Allan I have worked for health insurers a

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Tom Hargrave wrote: > Sure,

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Redghost
If you have no credit to speak of, what impact can there be? It is passed on to the bills of the rest of the users. Why am I paying $20.00 for tylenol? I could have just brought my own with me and saved that charge. The funky gown got billed too. My jammies were not the right fashion. Sa

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2008-01-11 Thread Redghost
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread ANGELO GIAIMO
I know this WW2 retired Navy veteran, 28 years with 100% disability, now 83.Takes home more than I gross. Also has this thing, "Tricare for Life" which just about pays 100% of EVERYTHING of all his (and his wife's) surgeries, hospital stays, ER bills, etc. Got him a lift chair...100% Covered;

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Redghost
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Redghost
There is a vote with wallet process going on in Seattle. The public enrollment has dropped to 49k from a high of 96k. Where are the kids? Private schools. For each missing kid, the district is not getting its $5500 per student. It does cost the parents at least that much for tuition.

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot Actually - that would violate the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:19 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not but we are fast heading towards

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub? On Jan 11, 2008

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
08 11:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot And the reason they maintain the roads is for "National Defense", right? They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in everyone's best interest that it b

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Scott Ritchey wrote: > What paragraph of > the Constitution authorizes that? The same paragraph that authorizes 95% of federal spending. What? You can't see it? It's right there, hidden between the lines in the commerce clause. [/rant] Mitch ___ http://www.

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
My bad. Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my health insurance premiums. I have a server that needs attention. Later... -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:23 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you don't care abo

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
MAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > > > I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it'

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical > treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world > is doing well, really. You are jumping to conclusions. I was responding to the earlier point about private insurers d

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Gary Hurst
figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub? On Jan 11, 2008 11:13 AM, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program - > the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures > and > coverage ar

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
6-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot I have to question the underlying

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
And the reason they maintain the roads is for "National Defense", right? They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in everyone's best interest that it be done. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to question the underlying

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Scott Ritchey
I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of the Constitution authorizes that? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: ht

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread John Robbins
Tom Hargrave wrote: > Sure, but if you are poor you have no credit. So then you only have "health insurance" if you are too poor to care about credit (and then if you try to move up from that you won't have credit for some time). I imagine there are quite a few people who are in between dirt p

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of John Robbins > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world is doing well, really. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 11:32 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Spend a day vol

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Rich Thomas
My wife had to do a resident rotation at Boston City Hospital (remember the show St. Elsewhere?). A lot of their patients were walk(or transport)-ins, and they got excellent care, in some cases better than private payers, because Unkie was footing the bill and there was not a lot of oversight

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
] National Health Insurance Sunil Hari wrote: > Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT > allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the > cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Dave H...
Friday, January 11, 2008 10:59 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. > > The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 y

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get > back to me, okay? > I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas. > but just because your limited experience has not brought you in > contact with the realitie

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Dave H...
cedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance > Sunil Hari wrote: >> Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically >> NOT >> allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat >> the &g

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Dave H...
11, 2008 11:07 AM To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance > Walk into any public hospital with no money & no insurance & you will > discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor & > they do this any ti

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
Don't pay. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Tom Har

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
en years of retirement". Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coff

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread John Robbins
Sunil Hari wrote: > Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT > allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the > cost. They may not send it to collections but does it still affect credit? John ___

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Sunil Hari
Not pay it. it's really that simple. Public hospitals are specifically NOT allowed to send their bills to collection agencies so they have to eat the cost. Of course, if you try this at a private hospital, they'll stabilize you in the ER and then boot you. On 1/11/08, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Sunil Hari
Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program - the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures and coverage are second to none. Billing is easy when it's all "free." And with every procedure and every patient I've seen, cost has been no object -

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread John Robbins
Tom Hargrave wrote: > Walk into any public hospital with no money & no insurance & you will > discover that we all do have healthcare. Some of my relatives are poor & > they do this any time they are sick. What do they do when the hospital gives them a bill? _

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
TED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don't really care if some of us have to put up with inconveniences.

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA. The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago. -Dave Walton On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, > any

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get back to me, okay? I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas. but just because your limited experience has not brought you in contact with the realities of life in America does not mean all is well. -Dav

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
Until everyone that needs medical attention can get it, I don't really care if some of us have to put up with inconveniences. No doubt, we will always be able to pay more and get better service - even for our health care. This IS America, after all... I love it when pudgy white upper middle class

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Rory
Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity, anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened of Government health care. Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: "Government health care; combining the efficiency of the US Government with the compas

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2008-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing. Is it? Nobody in my family the I know of has ever had private insurance deny anything. That includes all of my Dad's lung cancer surgery, radiation, and chemo over more than a decade, my mom's k

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
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2008-01-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Loren Faeth wrote: > > No, WAY more than anything that can exist in business. Nothing in > business can be screwed up the way a government can screw it up Nothing in *continuing business* can be that screwed up, because businesses run like governments fail quickly. Mitch. ___

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2008-01-11 Thread Loren Faeth
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread Loren Faeth
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance

2008-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
> Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue > that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare. Any proposed replacement that doesn't allow for meaningful competition, wherein dissatisfied 'customers' can't vote with their feet (and associated dollars) is doomed to fail. My wi

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-11 Thread LarryT
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > Unfortunately,

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2008-01-11 Thread dave walton
ssage - > From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > > > > Sort of like the private sector? &g

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2008-01-11 Thread Lee Einer
ot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > > >> Sort of like the private sector? >> >> On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, Lar

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2008-01-11 Thread LarryT
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2008-01-10 Thread andrew strasfogel
; To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot > > > >I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His > opinion > > is valued by me and it is th

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2008-01-09 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-09 Thread John Robbins
dave walton wrote: > Are you assuming that we all think it should not be covered? > Just what are we supposed to do with all the crazies out there? > I suspect counseling and drugs are cheaper than a jail cell even with > housing and food subsidies. And a jail cell certainly isn't going to solve t

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-09 Thread dave walton
Are you assuming that we all think it should not be covered? Just what are we supposed to do with all the crazies out there? I suspect counseling and drugs are cheaper than a jail cell even with housing and food subsidies. -Dave Walton On Jan 9, 2008 1:39 AM, WALTER WARREN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot (WALTER WARREN)

2008-01-09 Thread Allan Streib
Any program that involves the government handling the money, or that is not based on individual choice and responsibility, will fail. RICHARD FIne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What really gets me, is you know that Hilary knows that in no way > could the Fed run a National Health Care program...

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot (WALTER WARREN)

2008-01-09 Thread Gary Hurst
my understanding is that social security is not "run" though in any meaningful way. the money is taken by force and then spent by the government on unrelated projects. then you eventually get back far far less than you would had you invested it in any other program and eat cat food while fighting

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot (WALTER WARREN)

2008-01-09 Thread RICHARD FIne
What really gets me, is you know that Hilary knows that in no way could the Fed run a National Health Care program... it really pisses me off when they even bring it up... Each time someone talks to me possivie about it, I ask them... well, what did the Feds do to Social Security Medicare

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-08 Thread WALTER WARREN
I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion is valued by me and it is this :"Keep the politicians out of the ins. coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered." URGH!!! O

Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot

2008-01-04 Thread archer
- Original Message - From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > archer wrote: >> In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss >> and >> offer solutions for major problems that face America. > > Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for ban

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