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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
The VA
] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
My SiL works in the insurance industry. She is not well insured for
some reason. Tells horror stories about the infirm being denied and
the process the claims people must go through to keep the infirm from
getting services. Those who pay lots and have
, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His
opinion
is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins.
coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because
12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Sort of like the private sector?
On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up
being
filled with corruption and fraud.
Larry T (67
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From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Sort of like the private sector
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From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have a friend who has many years
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Sort of like the private sector?
On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it ends up
, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public cannot afford to pay
for healthcare. Capitalism then says they don't get any. I would argue
that system is not appropriate for providing healthcare
Loren Faeth wrote:
No, WAY more than anything that can exist in business. Nothing in
business can be screwed up the way a government can screw it up
Nothing in *continuing business* can be that screwed up, because
businesses run like governments fail quickly.
Mitch.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the
Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of
the Constitution authorizes that?
Scott
My bad.
Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my health
insurance premiums. I have a server that needs attention.
Later...
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 12:23 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you don't care about people
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical
treatment, I can't help you. I'm glad that everyone in your world
is doing well, really.
You are jumping to conclusions. I was responding to the earlier point
about private insurers deny
figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:13 AM, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program -
the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures
and
coverage are
And the reason they maintain the roads is for National Defense, right?
They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in
everyone's best interest that it be done.
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to question the underlying and
Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get
back to me, okay?
I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas.
but just because your limited experience has not brought you in
contact with the realities of life in America does not mean all is
well.
If you don't care about people that cannot get adequate medical
treatment, I can't help you.
I'm glad that everyone in your world is doing well, really.
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 11:32 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Spend a day volunteering
Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity,
anyone remember the VA? With that as an example, I'm VERY frightened
of Government health care.
Saw a quote on Joesherlock.com awhile back: Government health care;
combining the efficiency of the US Government with the
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Spend a day volunteering in a soup kitchen in the inner city, then get
back to me, okay?
I'm in Cleveland Ohio, and maybe we have it worse that other areas.
but just because your limited experience has not brought you in
contact with the realities of
Then again, I'm a health-care provider in another government-run program -
the US Navy. I can say that our quality of care and billing procedures and
coverage are second to none.
Billing is easy when it's all free. And with every procedure and every
patient I've seen, cost has been no object -
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the
Federal
Scott Ritchey wrote:
What paragraph of
the Constitution authorizes that?
The same paragraph that authorizes 95% of federal spending.
What? You can't see it? It's right there, hidden between
the lines in the commerce clause. [/rant]
Mitch
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: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
And the reason they maintain the roads is for National Defense, right?
They do it because it would not get done otherwise and it is in
everyone's best interest that it be done.
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL
I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA.
The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years ago.
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 10:36 AM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keep in mind that the government already runs one health care entity,
anyone
, 2008 10:59 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA.
The VA facility here is actually top-notch. Much improved from 20 years
ago.
-Dave Walton
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your experience is atypical - and that's a good thing.
Is it?
Nobody in my family the I know of has ever had private insurance deny
anything. That includes all of my Dad's lung cancer surgery,
radiation, and chemo over more than a decade, my mom's knee
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
figure i should join the navy? can i have my own nuclear sub?
On Jan 11, 2008 11:13 AM, Sunil Hari [EMAIL
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I've met many people that wish they could get health care from the VA.
The VA facility
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From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Unfortunately, a good
I have to question the underlying and unstated assumption that it's the
Federal Government's job to provide health care for all. What paragraph of
the Constitution authorizes that?
Scott
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dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry, but I have to leave to make a living so I can afford my
health insurance premiums.
Well I'm glad you realize it's not my responsibility.
To quote Calvin Coolidge: The normal must care for themselves.
Allan
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: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Sort of like the private sector?
On Jan 9, 2008 6:16 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everything the government decides to Do it screws up and it
ends up
being
filled with corruption
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- Original Message -
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Unfortunately, a good percentage of the public
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
Actually - that would violate the Constitution.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 3
-Dave Walton
On Jan 11, 2008 12:19 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not but we are fast heading towards Socialism
Allan Streib wrote:
I was responding to the earlier point
about private insurers deny claims for necessary treatment, with my
personal experience that the only denials my family and I ever
encountered being from the government plan (Medicare).
Allan
I have worked for health insurers and
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His
opinion
is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins.
coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA
State
What really gets me, is you know that Hilary knows that in no way could the Fed
run a National Health Care program... it really pisses me off when they even
bring it up...
Each time someone talks to me possivie about it, I ask them... well, what did
the Feds do to Social Security
my understanding is that social security is not run though in any
meaningful way. the money is taken by force and then spent by the
government on unrelated projects. then you eventually get back far far less
than you would had you invested it in any other program and eat cat food
while fighting
Any program that involves the government handling the money, or that
is not based on individual choice and responsibility, will fail.
RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What really gets me, is you know that Hilary knows that in no way
could the Fed run a National Health Care program... it
Are you assuming that we all think it should not be covered?
Just what are we supposed to do with all the crazies out there?
I suspect counseling and drugs are cheaper than a jail cell even with
housing and food subsidies.
-Dave Walton
On Jan 9, 2008 1:39 AM, WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dave walton wrote:
Are you assuming that we all think it should not be covered?
Just what are we supposed to do with all the crazies out there?
I suspect counseling and drugs are cheaper than a jail cell even with
housing and food subsidies.
And a jail cell certainly isn't going to solve the
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- Original Message -
From: WALTER WARREN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance: was: Coffee is Hot
I have a friend who has many years
I have a friend who has many years in the insurance business. His opinion
is valued by me and it is this :Keep the politicians out of the ins.
coverage business. We just had a major cost increase because the WA State
lawmakers deemed it necessary that mental health should be covered.
URGH!!!
On
dave walton writes:
Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a
national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a
matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from
treatment to prevention.snip
Gerry writes:
Healthcare is a major U.S.
You're two days to late for this discussion on banned.
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You're two days to late for this discussion on banned.
Gerry wrote:
In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and
offer solutions for major problems that face America.
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archer wrote:
In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss and
offer solutions for major problems that face America.
Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned.
Join up and I'm sure everyone will start talking about it again. :)
John
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From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
archer wrote:
In your opinion, perhaps. In my opinion it's never too late to discuss
and
offer solutions for major problems that face America.
Its also a very political topic... something best reserved for banned.
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