Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Clay via Mercedes]

SWMBA was down for the weekend.  She reports that most of the planes are 
stranded unless they are on a real runway.  Too mushy for ski, too soggy and 
broken ice for the float planes to get around.  Grass tarmac is mire, as the 
permafrost is melting and swallows wheels.

Clay


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> On Apr 26, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s what I found surprising. More aircraft in AK than cars, and when 
> working up there I dealt with a number of people who commuted by airplane, 
> despite the often lousy weather.
> 
> So why didn’t one of their constituents fly them in/out? No beverage service 
> or peanuts?
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Clay via Mercedes]

They need to get rid of Murkowski.  Probably nothing of any impact will come of 
things, as AK is a complete mess of politics, where they keep erasing the 
actions of the last legislative session, and only fund things one year out.  
Big booms and busts, but now they have lost all gains made in the past decade 
economically.  If you want a VERY stable real estate market with minimal 
appreciation, buy in AK.  You will be pretty close to underwater most of the 
time, until there is a boom, then you can cash out with just enough to break 
even.

Same goes with politicians.  The residents will undoubtedly vote against their 
own interests most of the time.  Always getting ballot measures that will 
constrict the main source of revenue (oil) coming up on a three year cycle.  
Doing it for the “environment”.  Like voting to institute a plague and roving 
murder gangs so the population will be reduced, allowing for more 
disenfranchised to apply for the vacated jobs.

Clay


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> On Apr 26, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably 40  percent of Alaskans support her so I would imagine a secession
> campaign will soon be in the works.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Clay via Mercedes]

The grandstanding was what I thought at first, but it was for creating a scene 
at the airport and badgering an employee about having to don a face rag.  Then 
making political hay by broadcasting her butt-hurt on social media.

Clay


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> On Apr 26, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for criticizing 
> FAA or airline policies?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

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She was picking a fight with the poor worker.  She should have just kept her 
bluster for her legislative colleagues and voters, worn the diaper for the few 
more times she had to attend the gathering.  At least she is stuck at home, not 
trapped in the capitol.  Maybe she can get a flyboy constituent to carry her.

Clay


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> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Mask tyranny" by Alaska Airlines ground influential state legislator:
> https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/lawmaker-blasted-alaska-airlines-for-mask-tyranny-now-shes-banned-from-the-only-flights-to-the-capital/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+4-26-21_4_26_2021&utm_term=Registered%20User
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Anyone remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine tried to sneak into an
empty seat in First Class? That show always made me laugh.

Allan


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Now you'd have to carry a pair of wire cutters to cross through the barbed
> wire separating first and business class from the hoi polloi.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Now you'd have to carry a pair of wire cutters to cross through the barbed
wire separating first and business class from the hoi polloi.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 9:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I was flying international I always made a point to chat up the FAs
> and hang with them a bit, esp in business and first class in the middle of
> the flight when pax were sleeping or whatever and it was quiet. They always
> seemed to enjoy it and I did too.  Most passengers tended to just treat
> them as servants and that wore thin for them.  I tended to get some nice
> bennies from that and it was nice and pleasant to learn their stories.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://money.com/how-much-do-flight-attendants-make/ <
> https://money.com/how-much-do-flight-attendants-make/>
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 26, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
> >>> I presume everyone knows that cabin crews are only paid for the time
> >>> they're in the air? So between wheels down and wheels up it’s their
> >>> time.
> >>
> >> That seems odd. They are definitely working before wheels up, helping
> >> people find seats, stow carry-ons, prepping the galley, etc.
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

When I was flying international I always made a point to chat up the FAs and 
hang with them a bit, esp in business and first class in the middle of the 
flight when pax were sleeping or whatever and it was quiet. They always seemed 
to enjoy it and I did too.  Most passengers tended to just treat them as 
servants and that wore thin for them.  I tended to get some nice bennies from 
that and it was nice and pleasant to learn their stories. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://money.com/how-much-do-flight-attendants-make/ 
> 
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I presume everyone knows that cabin crews are only paid for the time
>>> they're in the air? So between wheels down and wheels up it’s their
>>> time.
>> 
>> That seems odd. They are definitely working before wheels up, helping
>> people find seats, stow carry-ons, prepping the galley, etc.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://money.com/how-much-do-flight-attendants-make/ 


-D

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I presume everyone knows that cabin crews are only paid for the time
>> they're in the air? So between wheels down and wheels up it’s their
>> time.
> 
> That seems odd. They are definitely working before wheels up, helping
> people find seats, stow carry-ons, prepping the galley, etc.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I presume everyone knows that cabin crews are only paid for the time
> they're in the air? So between wheels down and wheels up it’s their
> time.

That seems odd. They are definitely working before wheels up, helping
people find seats, stow carry-ons, prepping the galley, etc.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I suspect that’s one of the reasons why they’re so hard core about it. Makes it 
easier to enforce and avoid conflicts. Being cabin crew has never been a fun 
job. Former coworker of mine was married to a guy who was a career cabin crew 
member for Delta, enough tenure that he got dibs on routes and did mostly 
international flights. He said even working as a purser on international 
flights or in first class sucked.

I presume everyone knows that cabin crews are only paid for the time they're in 
the air? So between wheels down and wheels up it’s their time.

-D

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I expect the mask rules are FAA rules at that...
> I feel really bad for the people who have to enforce those rules.
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, April 26, 2021, 5:10:54 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Oops, that's what I get for reading the headline and commenting before 
> getting on real internet and reading the article.
> I assumed it was for public criticism, not for arguing about/refusing to 
> follow the 'rules'.
> It doesn't matter if you believe the rules are stupid. If those rules 
> are a condition of being a customer, do you want to be their customer or 
> not? It's your body, your choice. You chose to put it in an environment 
> where those rules exist.
> 
> 
> You shouldn't be surprised if this gets you a 'we don't need your 
> business anymore':
> 
> Last week, a police officer responded to an Alaska Airlines terminal in 
> Juneau as state Sen. Lora Reinbold clashed with staffers over mask 
> rules. It was a familiar battle for the Republican lawmaker, a vaccine 
> skeptic who has blasted flight attendants as “mask bullies” and accused 
> the airline of “mask tyranny.”
> 
> Now, she isn’t welcome on their flights at all. Alaska Airlines this 
> weekend banned Reinbold “for her continued refusal to comply with 
> employee instruction regarding the current mask policy,” the airline 
> said in a statement to The Washington Post.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds right Dan. It can be a condition of carriage.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:42 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Note that I am simply reporting on my observations and not taking sides
> here, nor should responses to this thread go down that road - or else.
>
> With the flights we’ve taken since the beginning of the year, and even
> more so since they put the Federal mandate in place, our experience has
> been that the airlines are employing a “zero tolerance” approach to the
> face mask issue. We’ve seen on two occasions instances of non-compliance.
> In one case the passenger was warned, refused to comply, and then was met
> by a flight crew member (first officer) who was very calm and composed in
> informing the passenger that he (the first officer) would be in violation
> of Federal law if he allowed them to be on the aircraft and not be
> compliant. They were given the choice of complying or leaving the aircraft.
> They chose to stay. Sort of dumb to make a stink, I think, as it just draws
> attention to you.
>
> In the other case the passenger refused to comply. Cabin crew asked them
> to leave the aircraft and they refused. They reconsidered (too late!) when
> the cabin crew returned with a police officer and were escorted off the
> aircraft. At that point the die was cast, so to speak.
>
> Enforcement appears to be consistent across the carriers. This was with
> American and Southwest. I suspect they’re taking the opportunity to clean
> house of “ugly” passengers when the opportunity presents itself.
>
> I believe the term is "Conditions of Carriage”. Buy a ticket and you’ve
> agreed to play by the carrier’s rules. Don’t play nice and all bets are off.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oops, that's what I get for reading the headline and commenting before
> getting on real internet and reading the article.
> > I assumed it was for public criticism, not for arguing about/refusing to
> follow the 'rules'.
> > It doesn't matter if you believe the rules are stupid. If those rules
> are a condition of being a customer, do you want to be their customer or
> not? It's your body, your choice. You chose to put it in an environment
> where those rules exist.
> >
> >
> > You shouldn't be surprised if this gets you a 'we don't need your
> business anymore':
> >
> > Last week, a police officer responded to an Alaska Airlines terminal in
> Juneau as state Sen. Lora Reinbold clashed with staffers over mask rules.
> It was a familiar battle for the Republican lawmaker, a vaccine skeptic who
> has blasted flight attendants as “mask bullies” and accused the airline of
> “mask tyranny.”
> >
> > Now, she isn’t welcome on their flights at all. Alaska Airlines this
> weekend banned Reinbold “for her continued refusal to comply with employee
> instruction regarding the current mask policy,” the airline said in a
> statement to The Washington Post.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I expect the mask rules are FAA rules at that...
I feel really bad for the people who have to enforce those rules.
-Curt

On Monday, April 26, 2021, 5:10:54 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Oops, that's what I get for reading the headline and commenting before 
getting on real internet and reading the article.
I assumed it was for public criticism, not for arguing about/refusing to 
follow the 'rules'.
It doesn't matter if you believe the rules are stupid. If those rules 
are a condition of being a customer, do you want to be their customer or 
not? It's your body, your choice. You chose to put it in an environment 
where those rules exist.


You shouldn't be surprised if this gets you a 'we don't need your 
business anymore':

Last week, a police officer responded to an Alaska Airlines terminal in 
Juneau as state Sen. Lora Reinbold clashed with staffers over mask 
rules. It was a familiar battle for the Republican lawmaker, a vaccine 
skeptic who has blasted flight attendants as “mask bullies” and accused 
the airline of “mask tyranny.”

Now, she isn’t welcome on their flights at all. Alaska Airlines this 
weekend banned Reinbold “for her continued refusal to comply with 
employee instruction regarding the current mask policy,” the airline 
said in a statement to The Washington Post.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Note that I am simply reporting on my observations and not taking sides here, 
nor should responses to this thread go down that road - or else.

With the flights we’ve taken since the beginning of the year, and even more so 
since they put the Federal mandate in place, our experience has been that the 
airlines are employing a “zero tolerance” approach to the face mask issue. 
We’ve seen on two occasions instances of non-compliance. In one case the 
passenger was warned, refused to comply, and then was met by a flight crew 
member (first officer) who was very calm and composed in informing the 
passenger that he (the first officer) would be in violation of Federal law if 
he allowed them to be on the aircraft and not be compliant. They were given the 
choice of complying or leaving the aircraft. They chose to stay. Sort of dumb 
to make a stink, I think, as it just draws attention to you.

In the other case the passenger refused to comply. Cabin crew asked them to 
leave the aircraft and they refused. They reconsidered (too late!) when the 
cabin crew returned with a police officer and were escorted off the aircraft. 
At that point the die was cast, so to speak.

Enforcement appears to be consistent across the carriers. This was with 
American and Southwest. I suspect they’re taking the opportunity to clean house 
of “ugly” passengers when the opportunity presents itself.

I believe the term is "Conditions of Carriage”. Buy a ticket and you’ve agreed 
to play by the carrier’s rules. Don’t play nice and all bets are off.

-D


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oops, that's what I get for reading the headline and commenting before 
> getting on real internet and reading the article.
> I assumed it was for public criticism, not for arguing about/refusing to 
> follow the 'rules'.
> It doesn't matter if you believe the rules are stupid. If those rules are a 
> condition of being a customer, do you want to be their customer or not? It's 
> your body, your choice. You chose to put it in an environment where those 
> rules exist.
> 
> 
> You shouldn't be surprised if this gets you a 'we don't need your business 
> anymore':
> 
> Last week, a police officer responded to an Alaska Airlines terminal in 
> Juneau as state Sen. Lora Reinbold clashed with staffers over mask rules. It 
> was a familiar battle for the Republican lawmaker, a vaccine skeptic who has 
> blasted flight attendants as “mask bullies” and accused the airline of “mask 
> tyranny.”
> 
> Now, she isn’t welcome on their flights at all. Alaska Airlines this weekend 
> banned Reinbold “for her continued refusal to comply with employee 
> instruction regarding the current mask policy,” the airline said in a 
> statement to The Washington Post.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oops, that's what I get for reading the headline and commenting before 
getting on real internet and reading the article.
I assumed it was for public criticism, not for arguing about/refusing to 
follow the 'rules'.
It doesn't matter if you believe the rules are stupid. If those rules 
are a condition of being a customer, do you want to be their customer or 
not? It's your body, your choice. You chose to put it in an environment 
where those rules exist.



You shouldn't be surprised if this gets you a 'we don't need your 
business anymore':


Last week, a police officer responded to an Alaska Airlines terminal in 
Juneau as state Sen. Lora Reinbold clashed with staffers over mask 
rules. It was a familiar battle for the Republican lawmaker, a vaccine 
skeptic who has blasted flight attendants as “mask bullies” and accused 
the airline of “mask tyranny.”


Now, she isn’t welcome on their flights at all. Alaska Airlines this 
weekend banned Reinbold “for her continued refusal to comply with 
employee instruction regarding the current mask policy,” the airline 
said in a statement to The Washington Post.


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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Could have been her personality...

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 4:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s what I found surprising. More aircraft in AK than cars, and when
> working up there I dealt with a number of people who commuted by airplane,
> despite the often lousy weather.
>
> So why didn’t one of their constituents fly them in/out? No beverage
> service or peanuts?
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Lots of bush pilots in Alaska who will fly anywhere for a price. No
> > doubt some will be more than happy to take on a new client.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> Probably 40  percent of Alaskans support her so I would imagine a
> secession
> >> campaign will soon be in the works.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 12:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like she hasn't made any friends anywhere, "banned from most of
> >>> the capitol" and "She’s faced consequences for her stance, even from
> her
> >>> Republican colleagues. In February, Dunleavy said his administration
> would
> >>> no longer participate in any hearings she chaired, accusing her of
> using
> >>> her position to “misrepresent” covid-19 policies."stand out to me...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>On Monday, April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via
> Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for
> >>> criticizing FAA or airline policies?
> >>>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s what I found surprising. More aircraft in AK than cars, and when working 
up there I dealt with a number of people who commuted by airplane, despite the 
often lousy weather.

So why didn’t one of their constituents fly them in/out? No beverage service or 
peanuts?

-D

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of bush pilots in Alaska who will fly anywhere for a price. No
> doubt some will be more than happy to take on a new client.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Probably 40  percent of Alaskans support her so I would imagine a secession
>> campaign will soon be in the works.
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 12:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds like she hasn't made any friends anywhere, "banned from most of
>>> the capitol" and "She’s faced consequences for her stance, even from her
>>> Republican colleagues. In February, Dunleavy said his administration would
>>> no longer participate in any hearings she chaired, accusing her of using
>>> her position to “misrepresent” covid-19 policies."stand out to me...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>On Monday, April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for
>>> criticizing FAA or airline policies?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Lots of bush pilots in Alaska who will fly anywhere for a price. No
doubt some will be more than happy to take on a new client.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Probably 40  percent of Alaskans support her so I would imagine a secession
> campaign will soon be in the works.
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 12:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>  Sounds like she hasn't made any friends anywhere, "banned from most of
>> the capitol" and "She’s faced consequences for her stance, even from her
>> Republican colleagues. In February, Dunleavy said his administration would
>> no longer participate in any hearings she chaired, accusing her of using
>> her position to “misrepresent” covid-19 policies."stand out to me...
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for
>> criticizing FAA or airline policies?
>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably 40  percent of Alaskans support her so I would imagine a secession
campaign will soon be in the works.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 12:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Sounds like she hasn't made any friends anywhere, "banned from most of
> the capitol" and "She’s faced consequences for her stance, even from her
> Republican colleagues. In February, Dunleavy said his administration would
> no longer participate in any hearings she chaired, accusing her of using
> her position to “misrepresent” covid-19 policies."stand out to me...
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for
> criticizing FAA or airline policies?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Sounds like she hasn't made any friends anywhere, "banned from most of the 
capitol" and "She’s faced consequences for her stance, even from her Republican 
colleagues. In February, Dunleavy said his administration would no longer 
participate in any hearings she chaired, accusing her of using her position to 
“misrepresent” covid-19 policies."stand out to me...
-Curt

On Monday, April 26, 2021, 12:34:42 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for 
criticizing FAA or airline policies?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Banned from travel not for misbehavior on an airplane, but for 
criticizing FAA or airline policies?


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[MBZ] OT: Another one on the DNF list

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Mask tyranny" by Alaska Airlines ground influential state legislator:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/lawmaker-blasted-alaska-airlines-for-mask-tyranny-now-shes-banned-from-the-only-flights-to-the-capital/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning+Brief+4-26-21_4_26_2021&utm_term=Registered%20User
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