Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-17 Thread Peter Frederick
Yeah, but MacBooks get HOT before the fans kick on, and I firmly believe the stress on the solder is a leading cause of failures (this is true of PC laptops and even cards using the same video chips). Chip temps get up to 100C before you know it, and hotter yet in heavy use. The cure is

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-16 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Frederick wrote: I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. For most uses, I think

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-12 Thread Jim Cathey
is the newest mac pro even out yet? The answer to that has ever been yes. And no. Depends when you ask, and of what you are thinking when you ask it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-12 Thread Gary Hurst
i think it is either yes or no and it sounds like no On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? The answer to that has ever been yes. And no. Depends when you ask, and of what you are thinking when you ask it. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-12 Thread OK Don
I donated my IBM luggable to Goodwill when we moved two years ago. It came with an 8088, 256kb memory, and dual 5¼ floppies. I had to buy a new BIOS to install an ST225 hardrive in on of the drive bays. I bought it with an AVL board (that had it's own CPU running CPM) and used it for many years

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Hi Richard and Alex, Got the laptop apart and found that it doesn't have a filter. I'm guessing that the fan assembly is a heat pipe system with the fan pulling air in through various places in the case and blowing it out through two radiators that cool the two heat pipes. The radiators are

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread John Reames
Last time I had mine (t61p) apart, I used some arctic silver... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:48, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Richard and Alex, Got the laptop apart and found that it doesn't have a

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Mitch Haley
John Reames wrote: Last time I had mine (t61p) apart, I used some arctic silver... I use this stuff, bought it from FrozenCPU last year but they don't seem to carry it any more: http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/timtronics-grey-28g.html http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1727278

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Richard Hattaway
Stuff from Radio Shack is fine.  Spread it thin to win (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gerry Archer
How about that! mayonnaise does as well as many commercial pastes! That list has let me make a decision. Since there doesn't seem to be much difference between the commercial brands with only a few exceptions, I went ahead and used Radio Shack paste. It's been running about an hour and the

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gerry Archer
Got the laptop back together after cleaning the fan/radiators, cleaning the dried heat paste off the cpu, etc., and rebedding with RS heat sink paste. Ran it for an hour on battery, and it's been running about three hours on 110v. THE POINTER HASN'T MOVED ONE MILLIMETER!!! You were obviously

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Frederick
I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. I think Jobs had to go bite himself half to

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Frederick
Pre 2006 things were pretty good except for flaky logic boards in Powerbooks -- way too many have video and ram slot solder failures in normal use. A ton of them around with folded paper under the ram door to hold the connections together. Apple was even forced to eventually have an

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop. To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my house. That included a 128GB SSD boot drive. The Mac Pro blows my iMac away, and i's only running

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Richard Hattaway
I use a Chromebook (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop.  To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
i hate laptop/netbooks in general. i like big screens and lots of them On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: I use a Chromebook (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Frederick
I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff
When I was working at USF, faculty, staff and students in the College of Education got a subsidized price on Macbooks and Macbook Pros. I bought a 15 MBP with the CD Intel processor and all the goodies including AppleCare for $1100 - this was in 2006. A new one retail was close to $2k. A

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, that's the setup i'm going ot go to. what do they call that new IO plug? lightning or something? that should be fast enough to run a second monitor that new mac pro appeals to me too but sooo muc money On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product,

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff
No, and you don't want one, believe me. insert NDA here Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
it's gonna be a new or recent mini On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: No, and you don't want one, believe me. insert NDA here Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM,

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Brian Toscano
Happy 17 MBP user here, Dan can go pound cheese in Wisconsin. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff
I didn't say there was anything wrong with 17 MBPs, just that they are a PITA to lug around campus all day, that's all. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Happy 17 MBP user here, Dan can go pound cheese in Wisconsin. ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Frederick
No, a 17 Powerbook is a lovely machine. Just weighs a lot more than a 15 and that counts when there is a fairly long hike from the parking lot to the desk every day! They also fit rather tightly in my computer bag, so I have to carry the power supply and cord in the pocket rather than

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
you remember the original portable compaq systems from back in the day? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: No, a 17 Powerbook is a lovely machine. Just weighs a lot more than a 15 and that counts when there is a fairly long hike from the parking lot

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread clay
Just hold out for the new MacPro. I am thinking the mini is going away. The new Pro is tiny and black. Like Gary Coleman. clay On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
and it will be EXPENSIVE On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Just hold out for the new MacPro. I am thinking the mini is going away. The new Pro is tiny and black. Like Gary Coleman. clay On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: at some point in

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Frederick
Yes I remember the luggable machines. They ran CPM as I remember, and the really fancy ones had 5 MB hard drives, partitioned into at least three partitions. Hard to believe people spent thousands of dollars for something with less capability than a calculator today... Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-11 Thread Gary Hurst
my friend bought an AST PC AT clone. 20 meg HD. 2400 modem. 4 grand and change in mid 80s On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Yes I remember the luggable machines. They ran CPM as I remember, and the really fancy ones had 5 MB hard drives,

[MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-10 Thread Gerry Archer
Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-10 Thread Richard Hattaway
Check/clean the fan filter.  If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:54 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he

Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

2013-10-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Oct 10, 2013 8:48 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Check/clean the fan filter. Seconded. I've BTDT with Thinkpads before. Luckily they're very easy to take apart, as laptops go. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list