Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Yeah, but MacBooks get HOT before the fans kick on, and I firmly believe the stress on the solder is a leading cause of failures (this is true of PC laptops and even cards using the same video chips). Chip temps get up to 100C before you know it, and hotter yet in heavy use. The cure is the best thermal paste you can find and using a utility to keep them from heating up so much, seems to keep them running much longer. If you can stand actually hearing the fans run, which doesn't bother me at all, they probably won't fail again. Leave the fans idling along as the chip approaches solder melting temps, you are asking for trouble. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Peter Frederick wrote: I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. For most uses, I think paste is paste. 1-2°C isn't worth worrying about. If I had an Apple, or a pc laptop with dedicated graphics, I'd be looking for the best paste I could find. (when the fan died in a friend's gaming laptop last year, I got a new fan and heat pipe assembly, did some searching, and bought the Timtronics 4200 stuff for it) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
is the newest mac pro even out yet? The answer to that has ever been yes. And no. Depends when you ask, and of what you are thinking when you ask it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i think it is either yes or no and it sounds like no On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? The answer to that has ever been yes. And no. Depends when you ask, and of what you are thinking when you ask it. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I donated my IBM luggable to Goodwill when we moved two years ago. It came with an 8088, 256kb memory, and dual 5¼ floppies. I had to buy a new BIOS to install an ST225 hardrive in on of the drive bays. I bought it with an AVL board (that had it's own CPU running CPM) and used it for many years programming multi-image shows. Powerpoint and LCD projectors killed that business. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Yes I remember the luggable machines. They ran CPM as I remember, and the really fancy ones had 5 MB hard drives, partitioned into at least three partitions. Hard to believe people spent thousands of dollars for something with less capability than a calculator today... Peter -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Hi Richard and Alex, Got the laptop apart and found that it doesn't have a filter. I'm guessing that the fan assembly is a heat pipe system with the fan pulling air in through various places in the case and blowing it out through two radiators that cool the two heat pipes. The radiators are perfectly clean and the fan has a minimal amont of dust, but there is dust under the fan. A website on cleaning the fan in this Lenovo T-60 series laptop says to simply blow out the dust wherever it is. It also says to replace the heat sink paste with the highest quality paste. The only heat sink paste I have is from Radio Shack which has worked well with desktops. Don't know whether I should set the Lenovo aside and order top quality paste or just go ahead and use Radio Shack paste? Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Check/clean the fan filter. If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seconded. I've BTDT with Thinkpads before. Luckily they're very easy to take apart, as laptops go. Alex arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Last time I had mine (t61p) apart, I used some arctic silver... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:48, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Richard and Alex, Got the laptop apart and found that it doesn't have a filter. I'm guessing that the fan assembly is a heat pipe system with the fan pulling air in through various places in the case and blowing it out through two radiators that cool the two heat pipes. The radiators are perfectly clean and the fan has a minimal amont of dust, but there is dust under the fan. A website on cleaning the fan in this Lenovo T-60 series laptop says to simply blow out the dust wherever it is. It also says to replace the heat sink paste with the highest quality paste. The only heat sink paste I have is from Radio Shack which has worked well with desktops. Don't know whether I should set the Lenovo aside and order top quality paste or just go ahead and use Radio Shack paste? Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Check/clean the fan filter. If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seconded. I've BTDT with Thinkpads before. Luckily they're very easy to take apart, as laptops go. Alex arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Reames wrote: Last time I had mine (t61p) apart, I used some arctic silver... I use this stuff, bought it from FrozenCPU last year but they don't seem to carry it any more: http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/timtronics-grey-28g.html http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1727278 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Stuff from Radio Shack is fine. Spread it thin to win (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How about that! mayonnaise does as well as many commercial pastes! That list has let me make a decision. Since there doesn't seem to be much difference between the commercial brands with only a few exceptions, I went ahead and used Radio Shack paste. It's been running about an hour and the pointer has moved, so maybe that was the problem. Thanks, Gerry From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Ever wonder how well Mustard or Chocolate work as thermal paste on a CPU? http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490/5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Got the laptop back together after cleaning the fan/radiators, cleaning the dried heat paste off the cpu, etc., and rebedding with RS heat sink paste. Ran it for an hour on battery, and it's been running about three hours on 110v. THE POINTER HASN'T MOVED ONE MILLIMETER!!! You were obviously correct about the cause, Richard and Alex. Many thanks. Also, many thanks to John, Mitch, and anyone I missed. I agree, Alex, it's a nice computer to work on; much easier than the only other laptop I've repaired; a (Taiwanese?) no name. Gerry From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Got the laptop apart and found that it doesn't have a filter. I'm guessing that the fan assembly is a heat pipe system with the fan pulling air in through various places in the case and blowing it out through two radiators that cool the two heat pipes. The radiators are perfectly clean and the fan has a minimal amont of dust, but there is dust under the fan. A website on cleaning the fan in this Lenovo T-60 series laptop says to simply blow out the dust wherever it is. It also says to replace the heat sink paste with the highest quality paste. The only heat sink paste I have is from Radio Shack which has worked well with desktops. Don't know whether I should set the Lenovo aside and order top quality paste or just go ahead and use Radio Shack paste? Gerry From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Check/clean the fan filter. If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seconded. I've BTDT with Thinkpads before. Luckily they're very easy to take apart, as laptops go. Alex arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3609/6740 - Release Date: 10/10/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. I think Jobs had to go bite himself half to death or something if he heard fans, every Mac I've ever owned (except the MDD tower that has very noisy fans) has been under-cooled. If you have any Mac portable later than the Tibook, get a fan control program and spin the fans up to keep them cool -- otherwise, you are looking at eventual solder failures that can only really be fixed a couple times without removing and re-balling the chips, which is beyond the home enthusiast. Stupid design. Ditto for being obsessed with thin portables (you can't put them in you lap, you will cook your 'nads) to the point they are unreliable. Apple used to make bulletproof hardware, now it's expensive throw-away trash made by FoxCon, well known for cheating on the solder. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel and function i was less moved by my current stuff but never had any issues with either unit. the 2005 G5 quad powermac is still my main machine and the 2007 core2duo mini also runs without a hitch On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I just revived a 2006 MacBook Pro with flaky video by reflowing the logic board and cleaning fans. I've got some Arctic Sliver 5 thermal paste I will be installing when I get a chance, along with blowing out all the dust from the radiators. I think Jobs had to go bite himself half to death or something if he heard fans, every Mac I've ever owned (except the MDD tower that has very noisy fans) has been under-cooled. If you have any Mac portable later than the Tibook, get a fan control program and spin the fans up to keep them cool -- otherwise, you are looking at eventual solder failures that can only really be fixed a couple times without removing and re-balling the chips, which is beyond the home enthusiast. Stupid design. Ditto for being obsessed with thin portables (you can't put them in you lap, you will cook your 'nads) to the point they are unreliable. Apple used to make bulletproof hardware, now it's expensive throw-away trash made by FoxCon, well known for cheating on the solder. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pre 2006 things were pretty good except for flaky logic boards in Powerbooks -- way too many have video and ram slot solder failures in normal use. A ton of them around with folded paper under the ram door to hold the connections together. Apple was even forced to eventually have an extended warrenty replacement program for several MacBook lines that lasted for about 4 years -- failure rates were up in the 30% range, I think. That's as bad as evaporator cracks in W124s. Quite a few other makes have the same problems, all made by FoxCon, I think. Not enough solder (and the lead free is worse) and heat stress eventually causes the connections to crystalize and crack. I'm not impressed with a million and a half screws to hold them together, either, but that's better than the TiBooks, where the case is glued together. Acrylic glue comes apart eventually, and someday I'm going to have to strip down the TiBook again and separate all the bits and re-glue them again with high strength epoxy. Don't get me wrong, I love Macs and I'm using fairly old ones, but if I were going to pay $2600 for the same functionality I get for $500 in a PC laptop, it had darned well better last until I'm tired of it, not have solder failures in a couple years, or in the case of the 2006 to 2009 MacBook Pros, months. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop. To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my house. That included a 128GB SSD boot drive. The Mac Pro blows my iMac away, and i's only running 2-2.66 GHz dual core Xeons with a firmware flash to the 2,1 firmware. I know I can pop in a couple of X5355s or 5365s to bump it to an 8 core machine for under $100. It does such a good job the way it is I haven't felt the need. It wouldn't make a lot of difference to me anyway, as most of the stuff I run is single threaded anyway. When I do rip a CD or run Handbrake I can definitely tell the difference. Love my Macs. MacDan On Oct 11, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel and function i was less moved by my current stuff but never had any issues with either unit. the 2005 G5 quad powermac is still my main machine and the 2007 core2duo mini also runs without a hitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
I use a Chromebook (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop. To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my house. That included a 128GB SSD boot drive. The Mac Pro blows my iMac away, and i's only running 2-2.66 GHz dual core Xeons with a firmware flash to the 2,1 firmware. I know I can pop in a couple of X5355s or 5365s to bump it to an 8 core machine for under $100. It does such a good job the way it is I haven't felt the need. It wouldn't make a lot of difference to me anyway, as most of the stuff I run is single threaded anyway. When I do rip a CD or run Handbrake I can definitely tell the difference. Love my Macs. MacDan On Oct 11, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel and function i was less moved by my current stuff but never had any issues with either unit. the 2005 G5 quad powermac is still my main machine and the 2007 core2duo mini also runs without a hitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
i hate laptop/netbooks in general. i like big screens and lots of them On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: I use a Chromebook (c: On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I retired my 20 C2D iMac for the youngest son to take to college to augment his Toshiba i7 laptop. To replace the iMac, I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 from a fellow Mac buddy for $400 shipped to my house. That included a 128GB SSD boot drive. The Mac Pro blows my iMac away, and i's only running 2-2.66 GHz dual core Xeons with a firmware flash to the 2,1 firmware. I know I can pop in a couple of X5355s or 5365s to bump it to an 8 core machine for under $100. It does such a good job the way it is I haven't felt the need. It wouldn't make a lot of difference to me anyway, as most of the stuff I run is single threaded anyway. When I do rip a CD or run Handbrake I can definitely tell the difference. Love my Macs. MacDan On Oct 11, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the first macs i encountered were late 90s and i thought it was some of the nicest hardware i'd ever seen. i used to really enjoy taking 2 or 3 junk pismos and making 1 good one, generally in under an hour. similarly with the g3 imacs. and my g4 dual powermac was really fantastic in look, feel and function i was less moved by my current stuff but never had any issues with either unit. the 2005 G5 quad powermac is still my main machine and the 2007 core2duo mini also runs without a hitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all the time, but it's harder to see now that I've reached that magic age where one's arms are much too short to see anything. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all the time, but it's harder to see now that I've reached that magic age where one's arms are much too short to see anything. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was working at USF, faculty, staff and students in the College of Education got a subsidized price on Macbooks and Macbook Pros. I bought a 15 MBP with the CD Intel processor and all the goodies including AppleCare for $1100 - this was in 2006. A new one retail was close to $2k. A bunch of people were all OMG! I'm going to get the BIGGEST one I can get!! Meaning the 17 MBP, of course. I tried to talk a couple of them out of it, but they wouldn't listen. For a year or two after I had to listen to them complain about a what a beast the laptops were and what a PITA it was to lug them around Dan who is going to buy a MBA next year On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all the time, but it's harder to see now that I've reached that magic age where one's arms are much too short to see anything. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yeah, that's the setup i'm going ot go to. what do they call that new IO plug? lightning or something? that should be fast enough to run a second monitor that new mac pro appeals to me too but sooo muc money On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product, either. The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging, which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter. Minis have and continue to hold their value well. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product, either. The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging, which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter. Minis have and continue to hold their value well. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
No, and you don't want one, believe me. insert NDA here Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product, either. The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging, which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter. Minis have and continue to hold their value well. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
it's gonna be a new or recent mini On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: No, and you don't want one, believe me. insert NDA here Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:48 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product, either. The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging, which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter. Minis have and continue to hold their value well. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Happy 17 MBP user here, Dan can go pound cheese in Wisconsin. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: is the newest mac pro even out yet? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Nor are they for a Mac Pro. Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking at. Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new. Almost everything Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new with full warranty. I have never had an issue with a refurb product, either. The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging, which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter. Minis have and continue to hold their value well. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac Mini with the right adapters. Got proof right on my desk here. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
I didn't say there was anything wrong with 17 MBPs, just that they are a PITA to lug around campus all day, that's all. Dan On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Happy 17 MBP user here, Dan can go pound cheese in Wisconsin. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
No, a 17 Powerbook is a lovely machine. Just weighs a lot more than a 15 and that counts when there is a fairly long hike from the parking lot to the desk every day! They also fit rather tightly in my computer bag, so I have to carry the power supply and cord in the pocket rather than inside, which is a pain for me as I have other things in there like my lunch and pass cards. So I use a 15, and bought my niece a 12 PB that she loved for school. My sister got her a new MacBook last year, and the 12 has a dead DC in board from a fall that I've not gotten around to changing - have to take the whole darned thing apart to get the cable out! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
you remember the original portable compaq systems from back in the day? On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: No, a 17 Powerbook is a lovely machine. Just weighs a lot more than a 15 and that counts when there is a fairly long hike from the parking lot to the desk every day! They also fit rather tightly in my computer bag, so I have to carry the power supply and cord in the pocket rather than inside, which is a pain for me as I have other things in there like my lunch and pass cards. So I use a 15, and bought my niece a 12 PB that she loved for school. My sister got her a new MacBook last year, and the 12 has a dead DC in board from a fall that I've not gotten around to changing - have to take the whole darned thing apart to get the cable out! Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Just hold out for the new MacPro. I am thinking the mini is going away. The new Pro is tiny and black. Like Gary Coleman. clay On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all the time, but it's harder to see now that I've reached that magic age where one's arms are much too short to see anything. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
and it will be EXPENSIVE On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Just hold out for the new MacPro. I am thinking the mini is going away. The new Pro is tiny and black. Like Gary Coleman. clay On Oct 11, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if i can run at least to monitors off of it On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I bought a broken 17 PowerBook G4 for less than $100 a few years ago on eBay (the keyboard cable was incorrectly installed, worked fine when I put it on the right way round), but I never use it. Way too big and heavy to drag around as a laptop, although the screen is nice. I use a 15 all the time, but it's harder to see now that I've reached that magic age where one's arms are much too short to see anything. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Yes I remember the luggable machines. They ran CPM as I remember, and the really fancy ones had 5 MB hard drives, partitioned into at least three partitions. Hard to believe people spent thousands of dollars for something with less capability than a calculator today... Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
my friend bought an AST PC AT clone. 20 meg HD. 2400 modem. 4 grand and change in mid 80s On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Yes I remember the luggable machines. They ran CPM as I remember, and the really fancy ones had 5 MB hard drives, partitioned into at least three partitions. Hard to believe people spent thousands of dollars for something with less capability than a calculator today... Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
Check/clean the fan filter. If the case has unusual heating situations, it will do funny things with a touchpad or pencil eraser mouse. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:54 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Grandson gave me his Lenovo Thinkpad the school provided after he graduated. It worked fine for several months, but then developed a crawling pointer fault. The pointer very slowly crawls toward the hinge after the computer warms up. I'd very much appreciate your opinions on the likeliest cause. I've fixed other boards by replacing the electrolytic capacitors but never tried it on a laptop board. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion
On Oct 10, 2013 8:48 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Check/clean the fan filter. Seconded. I've BTDT with Thinkpads before. Luckily they're very easy to take apart, as laptops go. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
