Oh my, why did we not meet durin IowaQ? I LOVE IT.
Luther
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:18:59 -0600, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That won't stop albore and his wacko friends. They will just run
around saying we caused the global freeze and that we must be taxed
and regulated to death
You see the problem is that nobody refers to global warming anymore as
that's a misnomer. It's not just the warming that's a problem, is a large
scale climate change.
Weather patterns are changing and that is what is responsible for
things like Katrina and the
colder winters in some warm
Ever heard of Noah?
Whatever the name, large scale climate change has been going on
for eons, and whatever humans do will not stop it. Get over it.
Humans are insignificant in the face of nature, or God, whichever way
you choose to view it.
Where I live has been tropical, arctic and
I think because you were too busy doing something else
Luther wrote:
Oh my, why did we not meet durin IowaQ? I LOVE IT.
Luther
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:18:59 -0600, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That won't stop albore and his wacko friends. They will just run
around saying we
Interesting article on global cooling:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=27168955
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Our government only works with an educated
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The eco debate
Fourth, get rid of the Presidential Veto..that is not democracy.
The veto is important, it is the means by which the chief executive
is supposed to push back legislation that is somehow unenforceable.
It, like everything else in the originally rather well
upon as criminals if we express any interest in guns.
Randy
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Jim wrote only the most
Er, well looking at the history books, climate change issues, everyone
dies.
Problem today is lots more people, and life expectancy of 80 years
versus 25.
So much more worry, plus expectation that government will fix it.
On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Loren Faeth wrote:
Ever heard of Noah?
I've never understood why such a high percentage of Canadians spend the
winter down here in Florida compared to such a low percentage of Americans.
Of course, it can be uncomfortably hot in the winter; 85 degrees fahrenheit
the other day.
Gerry
From: Loren
Ok, want to fix the US politically?
First thing, ban lobbyistsbetter yet, take them out and shoot them in
the head..
Second, make voting mandatory..some idiot will think this is a
violation of his rights...too bad...vote..usual turnout is 37%
pitiful. Funny how 99% of people bitch about
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Ok, want to fix the US politically?
Second, make voting mandatory.
You don't improve the results by getting the unmotivated to participate.
I cringe every time somebody initiates an effort to get people who don't
give a damn about their country to register to vote. The best
Talk about a wolf in a sheep's clothing! You need political parties to
impose disipline and a degree of predicitability/reliability so candidates
are accountable for something besides a burning desire to get elected.
There are many candidates who do NOT include their party affiliation in
media
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Talk about a wolf in a sheep's clothing! You need political parties to
impose disipline and a degree of predicitability/reliability so candidates
are accountable for something besides a burning desire to get elected.
That which you fear is exectly what we have
Zedic wrote regarding fixing the US politically: Fourth, get rid of the
Presidential Veto..that is not democracy.
That is a HORRIBLE idea. Who would provide the check and balance on the power
of the legislature? The Congress could enact anything without fear of the
President having any say on
This just points out something in the human nature. Folks have differing
views - always have, always will.
I would hold that your statement is exactly opposite true.
Brian
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The only two persons who actually HAVE make a
The check should be that bastion of sober, second thought otherwise known
as the Senate.
I guess I really don't understand how your system works. (seems very foreign
and suspicious to me) ;-)
One man with so much power is scary...especially when it's certain nameless
crayon eaters.
Does
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The check should be that bastion of sober, second thought otherwise
known
as the Senate.
I
Thanks for all the efforts Larry. So it's not much different from the
British Parliamentary system except for the Presidential power to veto.
Zedic
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Fourth, get rid of the Presidential Veto..that is not democracy.
The veto is important, it is the means by which the chief executive
is supposed to push back legislation that is somehow unenforceable.
It, like everything else in the originally rather well-designed system,
is now being abused
Does legislation not go from the House to the Senate for approval?
Legislation can be originated in either the House of Representatives
or the Senate. Voted and passed by the entire body, then to the other
house to be approved or amended. Bounces back and forth until approved
unchanged by both
Our government only works with an educated, informed, and
participating electorate. That's why it's so screwed up now - we have
none of the above.
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It seems than at Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:38:41 -0600, OK wrote:
Our government only works with an educated, informed, and
participating electorate. That's why it's so screwed up now -
we have none of the above.
And educated does _not_ mean holding a college degree.
-- Philip
I watched a program on PBS that posited that global warming is being
counteracted by the amount of sun blocked by pollution in the atmosphere.
In another program I learned of the theory that the sun is burning out.
Brian
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bath.
Tom
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Let's go back to the good old days before we screwed up the environment
andrew strasfogel wrote:
So Donald, since all three remaining pres. candidates believe that global
warming/climate change exists and that it is a BAD thing, will you sit out
the general election?
Who said there are only three presidential candidates?
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
So Donald, since all three remaining pres. candidates believe that
global
warming/climate change exists and that it is a BAD
Andrew S. wrote: So Donald, since all three remaining pres. candidates believe
that global warming/climate change exists and that it is a BAD thing, will you
sit out the general election?
No, I haven't found a candidate that I agree with everything they say. I will
vote McCain.
Donald H.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
I don't see Nader as a viable candidate or even a spolier this year.
HRC, BHO, and JM are the least viable trio of candidates in my lifetime.
Ron Paul is still running for the Repugnant nomination. There are also
1/2 dozen other parties besides the DemonRats,
You sound like an independent anarchist.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
I don't see Nader as a viable candidate or even a spolier this year.
HRC, BHO, and JM are the least viable trio of candidates in my lifetime.
Ron
andrew strasfogel wrote:
You sound like an independent anarchist.
Possibly, but I don't think tossing the current one party (Republicrat)
system and electing officials who actually obey the Constitution of
these United States would be anarchy.
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Mitch wrote: HRC, BHO, and JM are the least viable trio of candidates in my
lifetime.
I am not sure what you mean by least viable. Clinton, Obama or McCain WILL
BE president come January 20, 2009. No other party candidate can legitimately
claim they can win. I understand your frustration
I suspect that if Walter Cronkite were to announce himself as a
independent candidate he could win without spending ANY money on media
advertising.
-Dave Walton
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch wrote: HRC, BHO, and JM are the least viable trio of
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I suspect that if Walter Cronkite were to announce himself as a
independent candidate he could win without spending ANY money on
media advertising.
Who?
Yeah just kidding, I do remember him -- barely.
Allan
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The only two persons who actually HAVE make a mockery of the US
Consistutition are currently in the White House as loyal members of the
Republican party. Barring a manufactured crisis, seres of unfortunate
accidents, or a coup, neither will be on any ballot next November on in
the WH after Jan.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
The only two persons who actually HAVE make a mockery of the US
Consistutition are currently in the White House as loyal members of the
Republican party.
If you're into conspiracy theories, there are some who predict we've had
our last general elections for a
I refuse to vote for someone who has a flip-values record, like our current
president. Campaign's and practice are rarely the same, and I refuse to place
my trust (or vote) in a lying politician.
As for the global warming farce I'll believe it when they begin to use data
that comes from
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:50:40 -0800 Zoltan Finks
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I watched a program on PBS that posited that global warming is being
counteracted by the amount of sun blocked by pollution in the
atmosphere. In another program I learned of the theory that the sun is
burning out.
That won't stop albore and his wacko friends. They will just run
around saying we caused the global freeze and that we must be taxed
and regulated to death before we freeze to death!
Bring on the global warming! I have had enough winter! This used to
be the tropics. I'm ready for palm
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Don't we? Ocean levels
debate
Antarctic has a local population?
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Southern ice caps are growing?? Can you send me
] OT: The eco debate
Curt wrote:
So if we do nothing we die. If we change our evil ways we have a 50%
chance of dying. Your choice is certain death or a 50% chance of death.
There is a flaw in your logic. The flaw is based on your assumption that
global warming is a) getting worse b
I'm wondering if you perhaps have a voltage fluctuation issue that
causes them to burn out. Perhaps you may need to address something
there.
Maybe, maybe not. I have been using CFL since the '80s when I had to buy them
through industrial supply houses. I still have some that I have been using
Rick Knoble wrote:
I have NO IDEA who makes high quality CFL at the present time.
My problem too. Feit used to sell CFLs made in France, I could buy them
at Harbor Freight, Meijer and even Menards. Meijer still has Feit bulbs,
they've been made in China for over five years, and are not the same
the less this is the last I'm going to say on the issue. I tire of it
already, I don't see any of us likely to budge from our position.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:12:17 -0500
From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes
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Donald wrote:we do not know is whether the 1 degree increase in
temperature that we have experienced over the last 100 years is going to
have any affect
Exactly. All we have heard is the gloom and doom of GW when there is a
possibility it will bring great
who fell into the river died from the chemical
bath.
Tom
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Let's go back to the good old days
So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is anyway, its
pretty well established. The question is did humans cause it.
If we didn't theres nothing we can do and we die.
If we did we need to change our evil ways or we die.
So if we do nothing we die.
If we change our evil ways
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So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is anyway,
its pretty well established. The question is did humans
Good logic.
Interesting little side note: I believe there was a theologian or
philosopher whose name escapes me who applied this argument to belief in
God.
Brian
Curt wrote:So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is
anyway, its pretty well established. The question is did
Not sure I follow the math there, but I was wondering, can I buy your carbon
credits? I have my eye on a W140. ;-)
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is anyway,
its pretty well established. The question is
old is a pain in the you know what.
Randy
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So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably
Curt wrote:
So if we do nothing we die. If we change our evil ways we have a 50% chance of
dying. Your choice is certain death or a 50% chance of death.
There is a flaw in your logic. The flaw is based on your assumption that
global warming is a) getting worse b) actually going to cause us
Donald Snook wrote:
What we do not know is whether the 1 degree increase in temperature
that we have experienced over the last 100 years is going to have any
affect on us or the planet.
Its going to melt a little more ice than before... I doubt that is
going to kill us though.
John
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Curt wrote:
So if we do nothing we die. If we change our evil ways we have a 50% chance of
dying. Your choice is certain death
or a 50% chance of death
.
Randy
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So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is anyway,
its pretty well
.
Randy
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So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is anyway,
its pretty well
Part of the problem here is the huge market for information. Everybody and
his grandfather is doing scientific research and every day there's another
contradicting study getting covergae from somewhere. Bad fat, good fat,
drink more, drink less, peak oil, no peak oillots of noise, very
A benz CDI powered by what?
Thanks, Tom
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Curt,
That's exactly what we need to hear! Sensible policies! Now
When did you last buy them?? They practically give the things away here. You
can buy 6 for $5..I can't even look directly at the bulb because a 13 watt
is too bright and hurts my eyes!
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Curt,
That's exactly what we need to hear! Sensible policies! Now if more
people would do that we'd save a lot of pollution! Never mind global
warming, let's just think of all the pollution your filthy COAL power
plants produce!
More nukes! And a space elevator to get rid of the waste (no
I saw some photos of our city about 100 years ago. Couldn't see the lake
for all the smog from the coal being burned. Lead mercury in all the paint
we used up until the 70's, lots of that funky insulation material in houses,
brake pads, and best we didn't look too close at the plumbing and what
Yes, it seems that CF bulbs are often sold on a special deal that I assume
somebody funds to help the cause.
For instance we got like four boxes of them for free at Ace Hardware.
Nothing to sign, and it was as simple as that. This was a special limited
time thing though.
And I think I've seen at
$8 each.
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When did you last buy them?? They practically give the things away here.
You
can buy 6 for $5..I can't even look directly at the bulb because a 13
watt
is too bright and hurts my eyes!
Zedic
That's like paying retail. Not something I'd be proud of.
-Dave Walton
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$8 each.
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When did you last buy them?? They practically give the things away here.
ha ha ha,
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's like paying retail. Not something I'd be proud of.
-Dave Walton
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:26 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$8 each.
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm all for doing my part to save the planet, but I'll only give up my
W140 when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
-Dave Walton
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:48 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ha ha ha,
Ed
300E
On 22/02/2008, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's like paying
Two things I've read lately on this subject, I did say read, not study.
First, some brains in the UK said global cold will kill more folks than
global warm. Shortage of food will become much more important than shortage
of oil.
Harry
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Harry Watkins wrote:
Two things I've read lately on this subject, I did say read, not study.
First, some brains in the UK said global cold will kill more folks than
global warm. Shortage of food will become much more important than shortage
of oil.
I also read somewhere that human caused
houses they look a bit too, lets say industrial, but in a basement
they're good. My basement has a couple but they aren't placed very well, just
one more thing on the list...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:02:08 -0600
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Curt wrote:
So if we do nothing we die. If we change our evil ways we have a 50%
chance of dying. Your choice is certain death or a 50% chance
getting onto
our alternatives SOON.
The RE crowd says that every dollar you spend on increased efficiency is $5 you
don't have to spend on production...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:02:07 -0600
From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The eco debate
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When did you last buy them?? They practically give the things away
here. You can buy 6 for $5..I can't even look directly at the bulb
because a 13 watt is too bright and hurts my eyes!
I can buy 4 packs of 60W incandescents for less than a dollar if I
keep
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So think of it this way, there is global warming or probably is
anyway, its pretty well established. The question is did humans
cause it.
If we didn't theres nothing we can do and we die.
If we did we need to change our evil ways or we die.
So if we do
Northern polar ice caps are melting. Did anyone mention that the southern
polar ice caps are GROWING?
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:06:42 -0600, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curt wrote:
So if we do nothing we die. If we change our evil ways we have a 50% chance
of dying. Your choice is
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Northern polar ice caps are melting. Did anyone mention that the
southern polar ice caps are GROWING
Southern ice caps are growing?? Can you send me a link to that?
The last I saw in the Antarctic, a 5 km long ice shelf cracked off and
floated away causing great concern to the local population.
Zedic
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Allan,
I'm wondering if you perhaps have a voltage fluctuation issue that
causes them to burn out. Perhaps you may need to address something
there.
I have replaced ALL of the lights in my apartment building, 34 unit
low-rise I co-own. I did that 2 years ago and haven't replaced one
yet.
Zedic
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:34:04 -0600 Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Southern ice caps are growing?? Can you send me a link to that?
The last I saw in the Antarctic, a 5 km long ice shelf cracked off and
floated away causing great concern to the local population.
You haven't paid much
OH NO! THE ICE AGE IS COMING!! :)
Luther
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:45:41 -0600, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:34:04 -0600 Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Southern ice caps are growing?? Can you send me a link to that?
The last I saw in the
And how about this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1880566.stm
This is from 5 years ago. I like how already we're talking not about Global
Warming, but more accurately, climate change.At least this particular
scientist they speak to is using I haven't got an agenda speech.
Zedic
Antarctic has a local population?
Thanks, Tom
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Southern ice caps are growing?? Can you send me a link
Does anyone have access to the FULL article?Headlins don't tell you
anything...they sell magazines
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It seems than at Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:25:51 -0800, Zoltan wrote:
Yes, it seems that CF bulbs are often sold on a special deal
that I assume somebody funds to help the cause.
For instance we got like four boxes of them for free at Ace
Hardware. Nothing to sign, and it was as simple as that.
yeah, but we took the mercury out of house paints for a few years now, so it
will all balance out in the end. Hmmm, and I thought it was the base of the
bulb that was making them so heavy. hee hee.
Ed
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On 23/02/2008, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems than at Fri, 22 Feb 2008
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