Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I adopted a stray dog. He kept chasing cars.. so I sent him to dog
obedience school.. Came home and he kept chasing cars, so, I sent him to
law school.. Now, he only chases ambulances..


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:42 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> yup  they are incapable of self policing the schools to limit numbers.
> They are incapable of self-policing their ranks to eliminate the frauds
> and incompetent.
>
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > February 10, 2020 at 4:35 PM
> > Isn't that a bit self fulfilling? If there weren't so many lawyers
> > it'd be harder to lawyer up and sue people.
> > -Curt
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yup  they are incapable of self policing the schools to limit numbers.   
They are incapable of self-policing their ranks to eliminate the frauds 
and incompetent.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 10, 2020 at 4:35 PM
Isn't that a bit self fulfilling? If there weren't so many lawyers 
it'd be harder to lawyer up and sue people.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

if you read my post, I was speaking specifically about ones I have had 
dealing with in a certain time period.   Dan, if you are going to preach 
at me, don't make false accusations.   I said nothing about ambulance 
chasers.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 10, 2020 at 4:22 PM
People need to quite perpetuating stereotypes like this. I’ve had a 
very good friend for over 20 years that is a real estate lawyer, and a 
straight shooter if I ever met one. He’ll tell you right up front if 
he think’s you’re wrong or making a bad deal. I’ve seen him turn down 
potential clients he didn’t like or didn’t think he could work with. 
He’s not the only lawyer like this I’ve known.


In fairness, there are clunkers, too, like there are in every 
profession. But I don’t believe in painting with a broad brush.


Sure, there will always be ambulance chasers, but the main reason for 
there being so many lawyers around is because our society is stupid 
with litigation. If people would actually sit down together and work 
out their differences instead of suing in a heartbeat things wouldn’t 
be so bad. Sometimes having a civil conversation can go a lot farther 
than circling the wagons and lawyering up.


-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think, at least here in Canada, that one of the big reasons for too 
many lawyers is that there continues to be a belief that it is a good 
career that will generate above average income. I doubt it is true in 
many cases, but the option seems to seem better than so many other 
potential university  programs that really do not prepare a student for 
anything at all specific. If one is not a wiz at math and science, then 
Law seems like a good choice. If you cannot get in to the program (which 
is very competitive) or do not want to be an MD or Dentist etc, or maybe 
an Engineer etc, then Law appears as a good option if one is good at 
languages. It is true in my case to a great extent. I was always better 
at languages than I was at math and science. I could do the math if I 
tried but it did not come easily to me. I started Engineering twice and 
dropped out both times before I really had much of a chance to see what 
it was like. I just was not committed to it. In retrospect, I think I 
might have enjoyed Engineering more than Law but it is a bit late to do 
anything about it now. I also think I would have enjoyed being an 
Architect. My elder son is and I envy him in some ways. His job is more 
interesting than mine (or at least it appears that way from the outside 
looking in).
Come June of this year, I will have been a lawyer for 39 years. If you 
include the year of Articling, it is 40 years.


RB

On 10/02/2020 4:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Supply and demand ---

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


  Isn't that a bit self fulfilling? If there weren't so many lawyers it'd
be harder to lawyer up and sue people.
-Curt

 On Monday, February 10, 2020, 5:23:06 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

  People need to quite perpetuating stereotypes like this. I’ve had a very
good friend for over 20 years that is a real estate lawyer, and a straight
shooter if I ever met one. He’ll tell you right up front if he think’s
you’re wrong or making a bad deal. I’ve seen him turn down potential
clients he didn’t like or didn’t think he could work with. He’s not the
only lawyer like this I’ve known.

In fairness, there are clunkers, too, like there are in every profession.
But I don’t believe in painting with a broad brush.

Sure, there will always be ambulance chasers, but the main reason for
there being so many lawyers around is because our society is stupid with
litigation. If people would actually sit down together and work out their
differences instead of suing in a heartbeat things wouldn’t be so bad.
Sometimes having a civil conversation can go a lot farther than circling
the wagons and lawyering up.

-D



On Feb 10, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

it certainly has not been any shyster I've dealt with in the past 30

years or so.  They've only sucked out huge sums of cash with no positive
result.

The last one, and perhaps the one before, may be successfully sued, but

there seems to be no honest and competent shysters left, and the ones left
are NOT going to go against a member of the club.

YMMV in Canada.  I certainly believe you are honest and fair, but you

are in Canada.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM



BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who

else, apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the
Judge and say nice things about you in order to save your butt?

RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Supply and demand ---

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Isn't that a bit self fulfilling? If there weren't so many lawyers it'd
> be harder to lawyer up and sue people.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 5:23:06 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  People need to quite perpetuating stereotypes like this. I’ve had a very
> good friend for over 20 years that is a real estate lawyer, and a straight
> shooter if I ever met one. He’ll tell you right up front if he think’s
> you’re wrong or making a bad deal. I’ve seen him turn down potential
> clients he didn’t like or didn’t think he could work with. He’s not the
> only lawyer like this I’ve known.
>
> In fairness, there are clunkers, too, like there are in every profession.
> But I don’t believe in painting with a broad brush.
>
> Sure, there will always be ambulance chasers, but the main reason for
> there being so many lawyers around is because our society is stupid with
> litigation. If people would actually sit down together and work out their
> differences instead of suing in a heartbeat things wouldn’t be so bad.
> Sometimes having a civil conversation can go a lot farther than circling
> the wagons and lawyering up.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > it certainly has not been any shyster I've dealt with in the past 30
> years or so.  They've only sucked out huge sums of cash with no positive
> result.
> >
> > The last one, and perhaps the one before, may be successfully sued, but
> there seems to be no honest and competent shysters left, and the ones left
> are NOT going to go against a member of the club.
> > YMMV in Canada.  I certainly believe you are honest and fair, but you
> are in Canada.
> >> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> >> February 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who
> else, apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the
> Judge and say nice things about you in order to save your butt?
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Isn't that a bit self fulfilling? If there weren't so many lawyers it'd be 
harder to lawyer up and sue people.
-Curt

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 5:23:06 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 People need to quite perpetuating stereotypes like this. I’ve had a very good 
friend for over 20 years that is a real estate lawyer, and a straight shooter 
if I ever met one. He’ll tell you right up front if he think’s you’re wrong or 
making a bad deal. I’ve seen him turn down potential clients he didn’t like or 
didn’t think he could work with. He’s not the only lawyer like this I’ve known.

In fairness, there are clunkers, too, like there are in every profession. But I 
don’t believe in painting with a broad brush.

Sure, there will always be ambulance chasers, but the main reason for there 
being so many lawyers around is because our society is stupid with litigation. 
If people would actually sit down together and work out their differences 
instead of suing in a heartbeat things wouldn’t be so bad. Sometimes having a 
civil conversation can go a lot farther than circling the wagons and lawyering 
up.

-D


> On Feb 10, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> it certainly has not been any shyster I've dealt with in the past 30 years or 
> so.  They've only sucked out huge sums of cash with no positive result.
> 
> The last one, and perhaps the one before, may be successfully sued, but there 
> seems to be no honest and competent shysters left, and the ones left are NOT 
> going to go against a member of the club.
> YMMV in Canada.  I certainly believe you are honest and fair, but you are in 
> Canada.
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> February 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who else, 
>> apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the Judge and 
>> say nice things about you in order to save your butt?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

People need to quite perpetuating stereotypes like this. I’ve had a very good 
friend for over 20 years that is a real estate lawyer, and a straight shooter 
if I ever met one. He’ll tell you right up front if he think’s you’re wrong or 
making a bad deal. I’ve seen him turn down potential clients he didn’t like or 
didn’t think he could work with. He’s not the only lawyer like this I’ve known.

In fairness, there are clunkers, too, like there are in every profession. But I 
don’t believe in painting with a broad brush.

Sure, there will always be ambulance chasers, but the main reason for there 
being so many lawyers around is because our society is stupid with litigation. 
If people would actually sit down together and work out their differences 
instead of suing in a heartbeat things wouldn’t be so bad. Sometimes having a 
civil conversation can go a lot farther than circling the wagons and lawyering 
up.

-D


> On Feb 10, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> it certainly has not been any shyster I've dealt with in the past 30 years or 
> so.   They've only sucked out huge sums of cash with no positive result.
> 
> The last one, and perhaps the one before, may be successfully sued, but there 
> seems to be no honest and competent shysters left, and the ones left are NOT 
> going to go against a member of the club.
> YMMV in Canada.   I certainly believe you are honest and fair, but you are in 
> Canada.
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> February 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who else, 
>> apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the Judge and 
>> say nice things about you in order to save your butt?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

it certainly has not been any shyster I've dealt with in the past 30 
years or so.   They've only sucked out huge sums of cash with no 
positive result.


The last one, and perhaps the one before, may be successfully sued, but 
there seems to be no honest and competent shysters left, and the ones 
left are NOT going to go against a member of the club.
YMMV in Canada.   I certainly believe you are honest and fair, but you 
are in Canada.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 10, 2020 at 1:52 PM



BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who 
else, apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of 
the Judge and say nice things about you in order to save your butt?


RB



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Touche, Randy.  Even an expensive divorce lawyer may turn out to be a
bargain over the long run...

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 2:53 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 07/02/2020 10:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good one!What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the
> > Marianas Trench?
>
>
> BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who
> else, apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the
> Judge and say nice things about you in order to save your butt?
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

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On 07/02/2020 10:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Good one!    What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the 
Marianas Trench? 



BUT, who are you going to call when your butt is against the wall? Who 
else, apart from maybe your Mamma, is going to stand up in front of the 
Judge and say nice things about you in order to save your butt?


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

A good question without an easy answer.
Did the client know the witness was unprepared? Did that happen because 
the client wanted to limit the cost of the litigation and took the 
chance that they could get away with it?
Who knows? The expert witness was the accountant for the plaintiff. Can 
the plaintiff sue the accountant for incompetence? Looks to me like lots 
of blame to go around but if I were one of the lawyers, I would be 
embarrassed.


RB

On 07/02/2020 8:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
so, in Canada, is the client in this case able to collect from the 
lawyers for malfeasance, or incompetence?



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 7, 2020 at 2:21 PM
I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv 
shows might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard 
working and successful?
With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as 
working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a 
court room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do 
work evenings and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and 
meeting with clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a 
case where the lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or 
test their expert witness to their detriment. They called their 
client's accountant and qualified him as an expert witness to testify 
as to losses sustained by the client due to the actions of the 
defendant. Their witness was totally unable to explain how he had 
arrived at his conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in 
cross examination and the Judge basically said his testimony was 
worthless and as a result, there was no evidence to support the 
plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should have spent more time with him 
to be sure that he knew his stuff and could support his conclusions 
with calculations based upon some facts. In the alternative, they 
would have learned that he could not be relied upon and found someone 
else to testify on behalf of their client.


RB




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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and insurance agents, maybe a successful real estate agent or two, but 
I'm being redundant again.



dan--- via Mercedes 
February 8, 2020 at 4:25 PM
It wasn’t what was going on there, it was that the place would be 
jammed with doctors, lawyers and bankers.


-D

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[dan--- via Mercedes]

It wasn’t what was going on there, it was that the place would be jammed with 
doctors, lawyers and bankers.

-D

> On Feb 8, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Why - what was gong there?  I bet it wouldn't shock us today.
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 7:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> My Dad was a commercial banker. Not into golf, fraternal organizations or 
>> socializing, but he did it as required.
>> 
>> When I saw the TV series “Mad Men” I about blew a gasket, as Don Draper’s 
>> office was the epitome of my Dad’s office. The drink cart, the furnishings, 
>> glass walls, etc., etc.  I loved watching that show just for the sets and 
>> cars.
>> 
>> I do recall that Wednesday afternoons were time off for bankers, doctors, 
>> and lawyers, all of which golfed during this time. We belonged to the 
>> Country Club of Indianapolis and you knew to never go near the place on 
>> Wednesday afternoons. I believe this is one of the sources of the term, 
>> “banker’s hours”.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> > On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Non litigator SWMBA will work until 2200 most nights, as she has spent 
>> > many other daylight hours engaged in administrative tasks.  Then there are 
>> > the Very early phone calls (being 5 hours off from NYC) that occur, as 
>> > well as a few Aussies and Asians who like the economic odds the mineral 
>> > extraction industry provides.  Or trying to wrangle financing or other 
>> > deals with European investors.
>> > 
>> > But that does not answer the work/life balance of management/executives 
>> > over 60 years ago.  I seem to recall my father pointing out that the 
>> > higher up the social ladder one went, the more social engagements one 
>> > accumulated.  There was a modicum of “business” taken care of after the 
>> > sun went down.  Dad would not be home for dinner most evenings, and we saw 
>> > him napping on the couch over the weekend.  Very engaged Paterfamilias 
>> > 
>> > clay
>> > 
>> >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv shows 
>> >> might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working and 
>> >> successful?
>> >> With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as 
>> >> working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court 
>> >> room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work evenings 
>> >> and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting with 
>> >> clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case where the 
>> >> lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or test their expert 
>> >> witness to their detriment. They called their client's accountant and 
>> >> qualified him as an expert witness to testify as to losses sustained by 
>> >> the client due to the actions of the defendant. Their witness was totally 
>> >> unable to explain how he had arrived at his conclusions. The defence 
>> >> lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination and the Judge basically 
>> >> said his testimony was worthless and as a result, there was no evidence 
>> >> to support the plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should have spent more time 
>> >> with him to be sure that he knew his stuff and could support his 
>> >> conclusions with calculations based upon some facts. In the alternative, 
>> >> they would have learned that he could not be relied upon and found 
>> >> someone else to testify on behalf of their client.
>> >> 
>> >> RB
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Why - what was gong there?  I bet it wouldn't shock us today.

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 7:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My Dad was a commercial banker. Not into golf, fraternal organizations or
> socializing, but he did it as required.
>
> When I saw the TV series “Mad Men” I about blew a gasket, as Don Draper’s
> office was the epitome of my Dad’s office. The drink cart, the furnishings,
> glass walls, etc., etc.  I loved watching that show just for the sets and
> cars.
>
> I do recall that Wednesday afternoons were time off for bankers, doctors,
> and lawyers, all of which golfed during this time. We belonged to the
> Country Club of Indianapolis and you knew to never go near the place on
> Wednesday afternoons. I believe this is one of the sources of the term,
> “banker’s hours”.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Non litigator SWMBA will work until 2200 most nights, as she has spent
> many other daylight hours engaged in administrative tasks.  Then there are
> the Very early phone calls (being 5 hours off from NYC) that occur, as well
> as a few Aussies and Asians who like the economic odds the mineral
> extraction industry provides.  Or trying to wrangle financing or other
> deals with European investors.
> >
> > But that does not answer the work/life balance of management/executives
> over 60 years ago.  I seem to recall my father pointing out that the higher
> up the social ladder one went, the more social engagements one
> accumulated.  There was a modicum of “business” taken care of after the sun
> went down.  Dad would not be home for dinner most evenings, and we saw him
> napping on the couch over the weekend.  Very engaged Paterfamilias
> >
> > clay
> >
> >> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv
> shows might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working
> and successful?
> >> With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as
> working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court room
> lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work evenings and
> weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting with clients and
> witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case where the lawyers very
> obviously failed to properly prepare or test their expert witness to their
> detriment. They called their client's accountant and qualified him as an
> expert witness to testify as to losses sustained by the client due to the
> actions of the defendant. Their witness was totally unable to explain how
> he had arrived at his conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in
> cross examination and the Judge basically said his testimony was worthless
> and as a result, there was no evidence to support the plaintiff's claim.
> The lawyers should have spent more time with him to be sure that he knew
> his stuff and could support his conclusions with calculations based upon
> some facts. In the alternative, they would have learned that he could not
> be relied upon and found someone else to testify on behalf of their client.
> >>
> >> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Dad was a commercial banker. Not into golf, fraternal organizations or 
socializing, but he did it as required.

When I saw the TV series “Mad Men” I about blew a gasket, as Don Draper’s 
office was the epitome of my Dad’s office. The drink cart, the furnishings, 
glass walls, etc., etc.  I loved watching that show just for the sets and cars.

I do recall that Wednesday afternoons were time off for bankers, doctors, and 
lawyers, all of which golfed during this time. We belonged to the Country Club 
of Indianapolis and you knew to never go near the place on Wednesday 
afternoons. I believe this is one of the sources of the term, “banker’s hours”.

-D


> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Non litigator SWMBA will work until 2200 most nights, as she has spent many 
> other daylight hours engaged in administrative tasks.  Then there are the 
> Very early phone calls (being 5 hours off from NYC) that occur, as well as a 
> few Aussies and Asians who like the economic odds the mineral extraction 
> industry provides.  Or trying to wrangle financing or other deals with 
> European investors.
> 
> But that does not answer the work/life balance of management/executives over 
> 60 years ago.  I seem to recall my father pointing out that the higher up the 
> social ladder one went, the more social engagements one accumulated.  There 
> was a modicum of “business” taken care of after the sun went down.  Dad would 
> not be home for dinner most evenings, and we saw him napping on the couch 
> over the weekend.  Very engaged Paterfamilias 
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv shows 
>> might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working and 
>> successful?
>> With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as working 
>> in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court room lawyer 
>> and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work evenings and weekends 
>> preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting with clients and witnesses 
>> to prepare them. I just read a case where the lawyers very obviously failed 
>> to properly prepare or test their expert witness to their detriment. They 
>> called their client's accountant and qualified him as an expert witness to 
>> testify as to losses sustained by the client due to the actions of the 
>> defendant. Their witness was totally unable to explain how he had arrived at 
>> his conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination 
>> and the Judge basically said his testimony was worthless and as a result, 
>> there was no evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should 
>> have spent more time with him to be sure that he knew his stuff and could 
>> support his conclusions with calculations based upon some facts. In the 
>> alternative, they would have learned that he could not be relied upon and 
>> found someone else to testify on behalf of their client.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Winner!


Craig via Mercedes 
February 7, 2020 at 10:59 PM
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 22:54:29 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes

A start.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 22:54:29 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Good one!    What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the 
> Marianas Trench?

A start.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Good one!    What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the 
Marianas Trench?



G Mann via Mercedes 
February 7, 2020 at 10:02 PM
Lawyer suddenly becomes aware that he is dead and in front of St Peter for
final judgement.
Immediately he makes his case that he is to young to die, it's not 
possible

that he has lived his allotted time, there must be a mistake, etc etc...

St. Peter asks the question... just how old are you then?
Lawyer answers I'm only 32 yrs...

St. Peter says... Let me check on something... comes back in a moment, and
says... ahh... yes.. I see the problem we counted billable hours
instead of days



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Clay via Mercedes]

Non litigator SWMBA will work until 2200 most nights, as she has spent many 
other daylight hours engaged in administrative tasks.  Then there are the Very 
early phone calls (being 5 hours off from NYC) that occur, as well as a few 
Aussies and Asians who like the economic odds the mineral extraction industry 
provides.  Or trying to wrangle financing or other deals with European 
investors.

But that does not answer the work/life balance of management/executives over 60 
years ago.  I seem to recall my father pointing out that the higher up the 
social ladder one went, the more social engagements one accumulated.  There was 
a modicum of “business” taken care of after the sun went down.  Dad would not 
be home for dinner most evenings, and we saw him napping on the couch over the 
weekend.  Very engaged Paterfamilias 

clay

> On Feb 7, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv shows 
> might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working and 
> successful?
> With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as working in 
> the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court room lawyer and I 
> would expect that a lot of those folks do work evenings and weekends 
> preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting with clients and witnesses 
> to prepare them. I just read a case where the lawyers very obviously failed 
> to properly prepare or test their expert witness to their detriment. They 
> called their client's accountant and qualified him as an expert witness to 
> testify as to losses sustained by the client due to the actions of the 
> defendant. Their witness was totally unable to explain how he had arrived at 
> his conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination 
> and the Judge basically said his testimony was worthless and as a result, 
> there was no evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should 
> have spent more time with him to be sure that he knew his stuff and could 
> support his conclusions with calculations based upon some facts. In the 
> alternative, they would have learned that he could not be relied upon and 
> found someone else to testify on behalf of their client.
> 
> RB

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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Lawyer suddenly becomes aware that he is dead and in front of St Peter for
final judgement.
Immediately he makes his case that he is to young to die, it's not possible
that he has lived his allotted time, there must be a mistake, etc etc...

St. Peter asks the question... just how old are you then?
Lawyer answers I'm only 32 yrs...

St. Peter says... Let me check on something... comes back in a moment, and
says... ahh... yes..  I see the problem we counted billable hours
instead of days

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> so, in Canada, is the client in this case able to collect from the
> lawyers for malfeasance, or incompetence?
>
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > February 7, 2020 at 2:21 PM
> > I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv
> > shows might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard
> > working and successful?
> > With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as
> > working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court
> > room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work
> > evenings and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and
> > meeting with clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case
> > where the lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or test
> > their expert witness to their detriment. They called their client's
> > accountant and qualified him as an expert witness to testify as to
> > losses sustained by the client due to the actions of the defendant.
> > Their witness was totally unable to explain how he had arrived at his
> > conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination
> > and the Judge basically said his testimony was worthless and as a
> > result, there was no evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The
> > lawyers should have spent more time with him to be sure that he knew
> > his stuff and could support his conclusions with calculations based
> > upon some facts. In the alternative, they would have learned that he
> > could not be relied upon and found someone else to testify on behalf
> > of their client.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

so, in Canada, is the client in this case able to collect from the 
lawyers for malfeasance, or incompetence?



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 7, 2020 at 2:21 PM
I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv 
shows might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard 
working and successful?
With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as 
working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court 
room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work 
evenings and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and 
meeting with clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case 
where the lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or test 
their expert witness to their detriment. They called their client's 
accountant and qualified him as an expert witness to testify as to 
losses sustained by the client due to the actions of the defendant. 
Their witness was totally unable to explain how he had arrived at his 
conclusions. The defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination 
and the Judge basically said his testimony was worthless and as a 
result, there was no evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The 
lawyers should have spent more time with him to be sure that he knew 
his stuff and could support his conclusions with calculations based 
upon some facts. In the alternative, they would have learned that he 
could not be relied upon and found someone else to testify on behalf 
of their client.


RB




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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

A good moral differentiation. LOL.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 11:28 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You can now buy booze here on Sunday, noon until 8:00pm.
>
> Car dealers are still closed on Sunday.
>
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Indiana still has them, although they’re quite relaxed compared to when
> I was a kid.
> >
> > When we moved to Wisconsin in 1988 we were amazed at the difference. In
> Wisconsin you can buy pretty much anything in the way of liquor at grocery
> and convenience stores, and all between the hours of 6:00 am to 3:00 am, or
> something to that effect. Kids could be in bars, even sit and be served
> (food or non-alcoholic drinks) at the bar. In Indiana you had to have a
> wall separating the bar from the dining room in a restaurant that served
> liquor, and no one under 21 was allowed in the bar. Liquor, wine and beer
> could only be sold in a liquor store.
> >
> > No liquor sales on Sundays, either. I believe that one is still in place.
> >
> > -D
> >
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

I lived through that business era and posit this.

It was total Hollywood hype. The workers of that era were WW2 vets who had
delayed their family and education to win a war and live through it. They
came home, got married, got degrees, or just went to work making life
happen. They had families, were home for dinner, and worked jobs...

The Hollywood jet set [in the era before private jets] had 3 martini
lunches, went to the country club for high balls before dinner, and
entertained.. it was 1950's "glamor life" and the folks who came home for
dinner with their family and watched those shows were "entertained" at the
idea that the "stars" did the high ball drinks and smoked unfiltered cigs,
then "went to the office after hours" to solve the mystery or the crime, or
what ever the story line was...

Regular folks put in their standard 8 to 10 hr day and went home to their
2.4 baby boomer kids and rested, so they could do it again, and again, and
again after watching the black and white TV for a little diversion...

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:22 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv shows
> might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working and
> successful?
> With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as
> working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court
> room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work
> evenings and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting
> with clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case where the
> lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or test their expert
> witness to their detriment. They called their client's accountant and
> qualified him as an expert witness to testify as to losses sustained by
> the client due to the actions of the defendant. Their witness was
> totally unable to explain how he had arrived at his conclusions. The
> defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination and the Judge
> basically said his testimony was worthless and as a result, there was no
> evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should have spent
> more time with him to be sure that he knew his stuff and could support
> his conclusions with calculations based upon some facts. In the
> alternative, they would have learned that he could not be relied upon
> and found someone else to testify on behalf of their client.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 06/02/2020 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
> >
> > Here’s the deal:
> >
> > When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
> >
> > Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do
> during the “normal” business day?
> >
> > I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> >
> > ??
> >
> > -D thinker of obscure thoughts
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I wonder if the reference to working late in the old movies and tv shows 
might have been an effort to show that these folks were hard working and 
successful?
With a show like Perry Mason, I don't think that portraying him as 
working in the evenings would be unusual. He was a litigator - a court 
room lawyer and I would expect that a lot of those folks do work 
evenings and weekends preparing for the next day of a trial and meeting 
with clients and witnesses to prepare them. I just read a case where the 
lawyers very obviously failed to properly prepare or test their expert 
witness to their detriment. They called their client's accountant and 
qualified him as an expert witness to testify as to losses sustained by 
the client due to the actions of the defendant. Their witness was 
totally unable to explain how he had arrived at his conclusions. The 
defence lawyer cut him to pieces in cross examination and the Judge 
basically said his testimony was worthless and as a result, there was no 
evidence to support the plaintiff's claim. The lawyers should have spent 
more time with him to be sure that he knew his stuff and could support 
his conclusions with calculations based upon some facts. In the 
alternative, they would have learned that he could not be relied upon 
and found someone else to testify on behalf of their client.


RB


On 06/02/2020 4:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You can now buy booze here on Sunday, noon until 8:00pm.

Car dealers are still closed on Sunday.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Indiana still has them, although they’re quite relaxed compared to when I was 
> a kid.
>
> When we moved to Wisconsin in 1988 we were amazed at the difference. In 
> Wisconsin you can buy pretty much anything in the way of liquor at grocery 
> and convenience stores, and all between the hours of 6:00 am to 3:00 am, or 
> something to that effect. Kids could be in bars, even sit and be served (food 
> or non-alcoholic drinks) at the bar. In Indiana you had to have a wall 
> separating the bar from the dining room in a restaurant that served liquor, 
> and no one under 21 was allowed in the bar. Liquor, wine and beer could only 
> be sold in a liquor store.
>
> No liquor sales on Sundays, either. I believe that one is still in place.
>
> -D
>

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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Liquor sales are now legal in indiana on Sunday from noon to four or something 
like that.  Doesn't affect me at all since beer or wine was available at any 
place that sold food and bars have been open on Sunday night for decades.

Canada still had no stores open on Sunday except in border towns and corner 
stores (noon to 8 pm) when I was there in the early 90s.

It was nice.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Indiana still has them, although they’re quite relaxed compared to when I was a 
kid.

When we moved to Wisconsin in 1988 we were amazed at the difference. In 
Wisconsin you can buy pretty much anything in the way of liquor at grocery and 
convenience stores, and all between the hours of 6:00 am to 3:00 am, or 
something to that effect. Kids could be in bars, even sit and be served (food 
or non-alcoholic drinks) at the bar. In Indiana you had to have a wall 
separating the bar from the dining room in a restaurant that served liquor, and 
no one under 21 was allowed in the bar. Liquor, wine and beer could only be 
sold in a liquor store.

No liquor sales on Sundays, either. I believe that one is still in place.

-D


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes PA was known for its,blue laws
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 8:54 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
>> down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.
>> 
>> That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
>> blue laws down.
>> 
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes PA was known for its,blue laws

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
> down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.
>
> That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
> blue laws down.
>
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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Hell, in Philly a lot of stores didn't even open on Sunday, and bars closed
down by 1 AM.  Blue laws, don'chew know.

That didn't change until the late 70s, when the courts struck most of the
blue laws down.

-MMM-
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I know for sure most insurance bidness was conducted in the evenings 
when folks were home. SWMBO remembers the ins agent coming in the 
evening, and I do too. Family businesses were available when the people 
were.   We were "Open" whenever someone drove in.   After my 
grandparents died, my parents tried to be closed on sundays except for 
Sept and Oce, when it was a 6 day disk to dawn operation, and often into 
the night or morning.   Later on, they tried to be closed all sundays, 
but sunday afternoon sales were good, so we pretty much were "open" even 
if the sign said closed.


The downtown businesses were a totally different animal.   Strictly 9 to 
5 except one drug store and the one night a week they stayed open to 9.  
Mondays, then they switched to Friday.


There were a lot of 2-4 martini lunches, and a lot of happy hour 
business meetings because it was 100% deductible on taxes.  Meals, 
booze, entertainment, all 100% deductible.


A lot of families loaded up the car and went to visit grandparents, 
parents and other relatives on Sunday after church.   I remember lots of 
sunday gatherings at both grandparents' houses.


I've never known a shyster to meet before 9 am or after 4.   But 1950s 
Lost angels may have been different than farm country.


Gotta remember, 1955 was only 10 years after when everyone was working 
til they dropped, then slept and got up to do it all over again.   Also 
most of the 50s businessmen grew up on a farm and worked dawn to dusk or 
more.   Only the union jobs strictly ran by the clock.

Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
February 6, 2020 at 6:34 PM
I don't know but i grew up in the country so we milked cows, ate dinner,
went to bed & got up very early to milk the cows again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So it seem that what I have observed in such entertainment vehicles as Perry 
Mason (and others) is that the idea that people were conducting business on a 
regular basis at late hours at this period in history is a construct of the 
media.

I often wondered if this wasn’t the case. Now I know.

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I don't know but i grew up in the country so we milked cows, ate dinner,
went to bed & got up very early to milk the cows again.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, 7:06 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> To clarify, it wasn’t just on Perry Mason I have seen this - it’s been on
> other programs of the same time period and in movies as well.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today.
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society,
> so not typical of the normals of that period.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
> > To: Mercedes List
> > Cc: Dan Penoff
> > Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
> >
> > As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
> >
> > Here’s the deal:
> >
> > When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
> >
> > Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do
> during the “normal” business day?
> >
> > I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> >
> > ??
> >
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[MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Dan,
My view might be different as I grew up in the country and somewhat close to 
"smaller" big cities (no NY or LA).  It was my experience that if you didn't 
show by 5:00PM you were out of luck.  In the 60's grocery and some other 
businesses started staying open to 6, 7, 8, and finally 9:00PM into the 70's.  
I'm sure this might also have differed by size of city and type of business.  
However, I always thought that those times were more to fit the TV show plot 
than to fit reality.
Just my thoughts...
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

To clarify, it wasn’t just on Perry Mason I have seen this - it’s been on other 
programs of the same time period and in movies as well.

-D


> On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today. 
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society, so 
> not typical of the normals of that period.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
> 
> As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want 
> to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the 
> back of my mind….
> 
> Here’s the deal:
> 
> When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
> earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of 
> business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode 
> it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his 
> office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as 
> with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and business being 
> conducted much the same.
> 
> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
> the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
> “normal” business day?
> 
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> 
> ??
> 
> -D thinker of obscure thoughts
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Did you see it on TV? Enough said ...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today.
> Perry and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society,
> so not typical of the normals of that period.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question
>
> As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
>
> Here’s the deal:
>
> When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
>
> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings
> in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during
> the “normal” business day?
>
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
>
> ??
>
> -D thinker of obscure thoughts
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I don't think people conducted business late more in the 50s than today. Perry 
and other lawyers often deal with people on the fringes of society, so not 
typical of the normals of that period.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 2:49 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't think the men ever took off their suits and ties either, they'd 
sit around in the evening in full business dress, well maybe swap the 
jacket for a cardigan.  Maybe they were anticipating that need for a 9PM 
bidness meeting, then finally like 11PM they'd go put on their full 
pajamas and robe and slippers.  And they did not sleep in the same bed 
with their wife, who always wore makeup and had well-coiffed hair, so I 
never understood how the chirruns came about.


There's a lot about the 50s that is puzzling

--FT

On 2/6/20 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:48:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to
do during the “normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that
time.

I wasn't much in the know in the 1950s, but as far as I knew people did
not conduct business late in the evenings.

My dad, being a pediatrician, though, did make house calls then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:48:34 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to
> do during the “normal” business day?
> 
> I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that
> time.

I wasn't much in the know in the 1950s, but as far as I knew people did
not conduct business late in the evenings.

My dad, being a pediatrician, though, did make house calls then.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My guess was that they were catering to those with full time day jobs they
couldn't leave - meet them after dinner and the kids were put to bed.
Otherwise, it makes a good story ...

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:03 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Monkey bidness meeting, plausible deniability!
>
> -_FT
>
> On 2/6/20 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly
> experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might
> want to offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck
> in the back of my mind….
> >
> > Here’s the deal:
> >
> > When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and
> sometimes earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great
> deal of business later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason
> episode it seems almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him
> at his office at 9:00 pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and
> movies, as with merchants being open somewhat later into the evening and
> business being conducted much the same.
> >
> > Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or
> meetings in the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do
> during the “normal” business day?
> >
> > I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the
> entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.
> >
> > ??
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Monkey bidness meeting, plausible deniability!

-_FT

On 2/6/20 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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[MBZ] OT - 1950s Cultural Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As I’m just a touch younger than would have been necessary to directly 
experience it, I’m wondering if any of our slightly older members might want to 
offer their observations regarding something that has always stuck in the back 
of my mind….

Here’s the deal:

When I have watched television shows and movies from the 1950s, and sometimes 
earlier, I’ve noticed that people appeared to conduct a great deal of business 
later in the evenings. For example, watching a Perry Mason episode it seems 
almost commonplace that he might ask someone to meet him at his office at 9:00 
pm. Similar behaviors appear in other shows and movies, as with merchants being 
open somewhat later into the evening and business being conducted much the same.

Was this truly the case? Did business people conduct business or meetings in 
the evenings, that is, things that we might find typical to do during the 
“normal” business day?

I’ve often opined as to whether or not this was a construct of the 
entertainment business, or if it was actually like this during that time.

??

-D thinker of obscure thoughts
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