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2020-01-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:33:50 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > We have been fighting this stuff and have gained some traction but it > is a struggle against big money. May you be successful in driving away that kind of stuff. Craig ___ http://www.ok

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2020-01-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 08:09:14 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Are you going to FSBO it? We sold our house in Los Alamos by owner. I even painted up some nice signs to put in front of the house and on the major road at the end of the street. Craig ___

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2020-01-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:33:50 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > We have been fighting this stuff and have gained some traction but it > is a struggle against big money. May you be successful in driving away that kind of stuff. Craig ___ http://www.ok

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2020-01-02 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 08:09:14 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Are you going to FSBO it? We sold our house in Los Alamos by owner. I even painted up some nice signs to put in front of the house and on the major road at the end of the street. Craig ___

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2020-01-01 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
Seattle is going the way of banning single family zoning as well. They want density in the worst way, in hopes of ameliorating the extreme cost of shelter. Banning new homes over 2000 square feet, allowing three housing units per lot, banning NG in new construction and trying to claw back exis

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2020-01-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Shouldn't be any more not allowed than firing up a 2000i generator and plugging the fridge into it. Sunny Boy has an optional outlet that you wire up in the garage. You turn it on manually and plug a cord into it. At least I don't know of any NEC requirements to disconnect the panels from the

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2020-01-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
es that mean?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A > Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > Date: 2020-01-01 10:10 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz > Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] > OT - Fun with Water Heaters Not allowed here if you’re doing net metering &

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2020-01-01 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
What does that mean?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Date: 2020-01-01 10:10 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Fun with Water Heaters Not allowed here if you’re doing net metering unless you have

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2020-01-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Not allowed here if you’re doing net metering unless you have storage batteries. -D > On Jan 1, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> On December 31, 2019 at 2:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Dan, have you priced out solar PV panels for your r

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2020-01-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 31, 2019 at 2:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Dan, have you priced out solar PV panels for your roof? I don't know about Mrs Dan, but I bet Dan could make do nicely in a power failure with the 2000W emergency outlet on a Sunny Boy inverter, assuming it di

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2020-01-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nope. Not going to. We’ve had this discussion here before. While it makes total sense based on where I live, the utilities make it very difficult and not cost effective to do. Once the other house is sold I’ll be searching for a standby generator for this place, but I’m not going to bother with

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2020-01-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dan, have you priced out solar PV panels for your roof? On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:35 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have 8.5 acres, high ground, marsh, and island which is fairly high > ground too. Zoning is AG8 which is one house per 8 acres so unless the > z

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2019-12-31 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Sounds like a good plan, Dan Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:54 PM dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Sort of. > > Because the market is very active here (2nd highest increase in home > prices nationwide) we’re going to go with a fixed price broker. $400 will > get us a year on M

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2019-12-31 Thread dan--- via Mercedes
Sort of. Because the market is very active here (2nd highest increase in home prices nationwide) we’re going to go with a fixed price broker. $400 will get us a year on MLS and full support from the brokerage as far as managing the listing and advice on pricing and comps. While we could likely

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2019-12-31 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Date: 2019-12-30 8:17 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Fun with Water Heaters You’re talking out your butt and you don’t know this real estate market.Properties like my house are under contract around here in three days on average unless there’s something

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2019-12-31 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I have 8.5 acres, high ground, marsh, and island which is fairly high ground too.  Zoning is AG8 which is one house per 8 acres so unless the zoning got changed that is it for houses.  I am in the County, there is a lot of shadiness that goes on with zoning and development.  Part of this Island

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2019-12-31 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
They are attempting to re-create more paradise cities like San Francisco, Seattle, LA, etc (read: rampant homelessness due to un-affordable housing). - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 9:35 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I saw that VA pro

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2019-12-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I saw that VA proposal attempting to ban single family zoning. It’s absolutely outrageous. These idiots are chipping away at our country and our freedoms one bill at a time. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2019/12/23/virginia-house-zoning-environment Sent from my iPhone > On

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2019-12-31 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Are you going to FSBO it? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > First of all, my apologies to Curley and others if I misunderstood. The real > estate market here appears to be very different than yours. While I know that > people are all abo

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2019-12-31 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
There is a proposal in VA, now that one party has finally taken control of the House, Senate, and Governorship, to enact a law banning single family residential zoning. So no matter what you and your county government and zoning board want, an apartment complex can go anywhere houses can go. How

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2019-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yes, but you’ve got a fair amount of land, too, don’t you? That has to be in your favor. Around here land is in short supply. One of the things the County is promoting is “suburban infill” which is a fancy term for subdividing small plots of land (10 acres, for example) that exist here and ther

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2019-12-31 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I’m going to put my house on the market soon. Some similarities here with out-of-control development on fill-and-build tracts of too-low land that needs 6 or 8ft of impervious fill to throw up sh*tty slab-on-grade low quality vinyl villages that won’t likely survive the next big blow. That’s not

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2019-12-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
First of all, my apologies to Curley and others if I misunderstood. The real estate market here appears to be very different than yours. While I know that people are all about “new-new new!” as buyers, with the average age home being much less in years than in places like the Midwest and elsewhe

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2019-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 30, 2019 at 9:30 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Exactly.   His market may be different that the rest of the country, > because of all the people fleeing stupid states and moving to FL wanting > to buy houses.   but he needs to consider it is exactly these people w

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2019-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
BTW, the "experts" don't evaluate a roof by looking at it on the roof. (and under the roof)  They look at a satellite picture, then try to figure out the worst case scenario for the roof.   THat goes on the report to the buyer and their agent.   It is completely bogus, but it is how they do it

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2019-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Exactly.   His market may be different that the rest of the country, because of all the people fleeing stupid states and moving to FL wanting to buy houses.   but he needs to consider it is exactly these people who made their state of origin stupid. I had 2 experienced agents tell me the same

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2019-12-30 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I do not think Curley was talking specifics with your house, just making a point of how stupid people are these days, and he is not wrong about that. On 12/30/2019 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You’re talking out your butt and you don’t know this real estate market. Properties like m

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2019-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You’re talking out your butt and you don’t know this real estate market. Properties like my house are under contract around here in three days on average unless there’s something seriously wrong with the place. No one is going to demand a new roof when one was just done less than 18 months ago.

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2019-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
+1   Having just been through the mill, Mitch is exactly right.   Any potential buyer will want a new roof, new furnace, new WH, and probably new appliances, and they don't give a shite about efficiency or cost, as long as they don't have to buy the new roof/appliances.    Cheap, crappy, new tr

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2019-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yes.  All you need for solar water heating (in summer or where it never freezes) is black pvc tubing laid out where the sun will heat it and a circ pump.  It can be on the roof, or on the ground/pavement, or anywhere else it will catch sun.   When/where freezing conditions exist, it gets a litt

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2019-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I’m not going through all the gyrations to swap stuff out of the old house, it’s just not worth the hassle. Everything in it is less than two years old, that's AC, exterior paint, water heater, carpet, etc., etc. Close enough to make it a marketing plus. -D > On Dec 30, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Mitc

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2019-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 30, 2019 at 6:34 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > Energy guide for standard 50 gallon electric heater, roughly $500: > > > http://pdf.lowes.com/energyguides/035505002440.pdf Nobody cares about performance anymore, they want new. Buy the above and put it in the house you'r

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2019-12-30 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Fun with Water Heaters > > I have never heard of these hybrid water heaters before so I looked into them. > I like the idea but the problem here is our water heater is actually in its > own > closet inside the house. The cold air it would vent in the

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2019-12-30 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
m: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 12:16 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Fun with Water Heaters > > That reminds of something. So my fat

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2019-12-30 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
At our other house the water heater is in the garage which would be OK but in the winter mah not be as effective. At this house if some sort of vent could be installed that had some sort of diverted to vent the cold in the winter and direct in into the house in the summer. I wonder if that sort

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2019-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yeah, that’s one of the issues with these being used in colder climates. That and their efficiency drops off when the ambient goes down, too. In a basement they seem to do OK but if they’re in the living quarters like in your place it’s probably not the ideal setup. I did a lot of research on t

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2019-12-30 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I have never heard of these hybrid water heaters before so I looked into them. I like the idea but the problem here is our water heater is actually in its own closet inside the house. The cold air it would vent in the winter would be a problem unless I installed some sort of vent to vent it into

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2019-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 30, 2019 at 4:48 PM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > So what's wrong with installing a properly designed solar hot water heater? > Isn't the plumbing infrastructure already in place? Back around 1980, I saw plans in Popular Science for a very cheap solar heater. It was, IIRC,

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2019-12-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
So what's wrong with installing a properly designed solar hot water heater? Isn't the plumbing infrastructure already in place? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:46 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Time to put a new electric water heater in the old house, and put the old > hy

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2019-12-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Time to put a new electric water heater in the old house, and put the old hybrid in the new house. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebe

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2019-12-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:34:46 -0500 dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Time to make a Lowe’s trip in the morning with a 10% off coupon and buy > another hybrid water heater like the one I put in at the old house. > Yeah, they’re $1200 new, but cost about $100/year to operate. A > comparable standard res

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2019-12-30 Thread dan--- via Mercedes
Time to make a Lowe’s trip in the morning with a 10% off coupon and buy another hybrid water heater like the one I put in at the old house. Yeah, they’re $1200 new, but cost about $100/year to operate. A comparable standard resistance element water heater costs around $400/year, so the hybrid pa

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2019-12-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Dan wrote: "This could get ugly." You meant "uglier". On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 1:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The best part about Kroil is its largely inoffensive smell, unlike PB > Blaster... > Would a gallon of white vinegar allowed to sit for an hour be wo

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2019-12-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The best part about Kroil is its largely inoffensive smell, unlike PB Blaster... Would a gallon of white vinegar allowed to sit for an hour be worth doing? In lantern land vinegar gets used to clean parts quite often. I upgraded to citric acid, I can make it stronger and in the long run its che

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2019-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Kroil 1, water heater 0. Old valve removed, new setup with brass fittings and ball valve in place. Now draining into my front yard for some free landscape watering. Long time for 80 gallons of water to drain via gravity through a 3/4” garden hose. Then the pulsing comes in to hopefully clear so

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2019-12-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This reminds me, we're going to (finally!) replace the exhaust manifold on the Pisten Bully on Wednesday. Its cracked near the flange to the turbo and has been leaking the whole time I've been around the machine. Ben says the machine is noticeably down on power because of it. Oh and you need to

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2019-12-30 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
That reminds of something. So my father is living in mi grandparents house. This is about a 100 year old house and they bought it in 71 or 72. My grandfather died in 91 and grandmother died in 03. Not too long before she died she hired a plumbing company to completely replace all of the gas line

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2019-12-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Since most of the household is back to work today, I figured it would be a good time to do some maintenance on the hot water heater. A bit of a build-up: This (new) house was owned by a widow for probably 8 years after her husband (allegedly) offed himself. That’s a pretty bizarre story for ano