Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, all the time I was using PCs I was hearing about Macs and thinking damn, they must be good if they cost so freakin' much but I bet I could build something as good for less. I was wrong. I could build something a helluva lot better for far less.

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Chuck Landenberger
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Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Frederick
The only failure I've had with a Mac in the last ten years was a couple of hard drives and one ATX style power supply. Not what I can say for most if not all PC's I've used -- several dead boards, etc. Macs are top of the line, more like HP than Dell. Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Frederick
External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. It's a pain, but then so is the fact that PC manufacturers ALWAYS decide to use a different spec of anything that Apple

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hurst
it's hte os x that converted me instantly. i had seen the older mac os and didn't see how it was any better than my windoze xp, outside of perhaps being reliable. once the os x popped up, it was over. i just need a mac with a pcmcia card or equivalent and i'll never look at a windoze machine

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Lee Einer
Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. And yet, the disc which the G4s could not detect works flawlessly on my linux box at home.

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's hte os x that converted me instantly. i had seen the older mac os and didn't see how it was any better than my windoze xp, outside of perhaps being reliable. once the os x popped up, it was over. i just need a mac with a pcmcia card or

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hurst
my favorite machine is my dual 500 gigabit ethernet machine. even though it is 6 years old and should be garbage, it can do anything i want AND it simply oozes quality out of every pore. it is probably the only machine i have ever opened up and didn't get pissed off at anything there. someday

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. And yet, the disc which the G4s could not detect

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hurst
i have no idea. i don't know anything about computers. i do know that sometimes i don't see that disk thing on my desktop when i think i ought to. On 2/20/07, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Lee Einer
Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. It's a pain, but then so is the fact that PC manufacturers ALWAYS decide to use a different

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hurst
just a laptop with the mobile broadband. On 2/20/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's hte os x that converted me instantly. i had seen the older mac os and didn't see how it was any better than my windoze xp, outside of perhaps being

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a laptop with the mobile broadband. Ahh you want a Pismo. Can take up to 1GB of RAM, will run OS X (maybe not Leopard, no one is sure what is going to break with that yet) it has a single PC Card Slot and you can pick one up for about

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a laptop with the mobile broadband. Ahh you want a Pismo. Can take up to 1GB of RAM, will run OS X (maybe not Leopard, no one is sure what is going to break with that yet) it has a single

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hurst
why don't the rest have such a slot? On 2/20/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a laptop with the mobile broadband. Ahh you want a Pismo. Can take up to 1GB of RAM, will run OS X

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why don't the rest have such a slot? Gary, Actually all of the G3 Powerbooks, before the change over to iBooks and TiBooks and etc had PCMCIA slots. The Kanga and Wallstreet had 2 The Lombard and Pismo had 1 The Kanga will *not* run OS X

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Peter Frederick
The Wallstreet is a wonderful machine -- mine is going strong, runs 10.2.8 with ease, but requires at least 512 MB RAM to load 10.4 (preferred). I actually usually run 9 on it, as I don't have a OS X version of Photoshop or Quark. Pretty quick for a 300 MHz machine and rock solid reliable

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Jim Cathey
You still have a NeXT machine? Which model? May I visit and be permitted to drool on it? A cube. Of course! It has a serious Y2K problem, and the OS upgrade was prohibitively priced for my needs at the time. So, it's just stuck in the 90's. The synthesized string engine in the DSP was truly

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Lee Einer
Ed Booher wrote: On 2/20/07, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: External media communication with the Mac is only a problem because the vendors refuse to write the correct drivers, not because there is anything inferior about the Mac. And yet, the disc which the G4s

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Lee Einer
the people in my office can't get their friggin' drive bays open without problems. Lee -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:10:25 -0700 From: Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread Allan Streib
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's hte os x that converted me instantly. i had seen the older mac os and didn't see how it was any better than my windoze xp, outside of perhaps being reliable. Mac OS prior to OS X was many things, but reliable was not one of them. At least prior to

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-21 Thread jwreames
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Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Werner Fehlauer
Jim - after more than 30 years of using PCs (starting with an 8080 in kit form), I suppose I'm too old to switch to one of those Apple/Mac/whatever boxes. Even worked up a box with a 6502 processor (as used in the early Apples) but on an S-100 bus, with a 300 baud modem using tape on the

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Werner, Never say I'm too old Try a Mac, you'll like it. Don't want to pay new price. Go to Craigslist and take your pick... Chuck iMac G4 laptop and eMac On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Jim - after more than 30 years of using PCs (starting with an 8080 in

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Werner Fehlauer
- and on and on Besides, its more fun to fool around with cars most of the time! Werner - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey
Jim - after more than 30 years of using PCs (starting with an 8080 in kit form), I suppose I'm too old to switch to one of those Apple/Mac/whatever boxes. Even worked up a box with a 6502 processor (as used in the early Apples) but on an S-100 bus, with a 300 baud modem using tape on the

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey
Jim - sounds like you acquire obsolete treasures like many of us do. So far I've managed to keep old computer stuff down to perhaps 8 cu. ft., which is a lot better than the ham radio gear, which still takes up well over 200 cu. ft. - and that's after taking several very nice (in their day)

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Ed Booher
On 2/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: disgust. I waited, and succumbed to an original Mac. A NeXT followed I still have them all. By the time I'm done with them they're -- Jim You still have a NeXT machine? Which model? May I visit and be permitted to drool on it? Ed --

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Gary Hurst
does it do anything a mac doesn't do? On 2/20/07, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/20/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: disgust. I waited, and succumbed to an original Mac. A NeXT followed I still have them all. By the time I'm done with them they're -- Jim You still have

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread John W. Reames III
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Werner Fehlauer wrote: Jim - after more than 30 years of using PCs (starting with an 8080 in kit form), I suppose I'm too old to switch to one of those Apple/Mac/whatever boxes. Even worked up a box with a 6502 processor (as used in the early Apples) but on an S-100

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread John W. Reames III
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Jim Cathey wrote: I sit here not five feet from my 1802 kit box, and its successor the semi-kit 6502 OSI machine. (Cassette for both, floppies later added to the OSI.) And _its_ successor, the 68000 S-100 system. My first hard disk, and the first to even need a 16-bit

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread John W. Reames III
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Gary Hurst wrote: does it do anything a mac doesn't do? The cubes look REALLY cool. Where do you think ADC came from ;) (well the monitor was a bottle so it required an AC cord.) Te optical was like molasses fresh from the fridge, but they were a cool machine. The laser

Re: [MBZ] OT - PCs and Macs (was) Accents

2007-02-20 Thread Lee Einer
I am now working (temporarily) as Features Editor of a local paper. They use mostly Mac G4s. IMO, the G4s suck like a rift in spacetime. I use a Sony Mavica for photography which burns to a mini-cd. Works fantastic whether you use Windoze or Linux. Apparently won't work on a Mac because OSX