Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-12-01 Thread Donald Snook
Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- 
sometimes you just can't win.

True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH 
less than half the mileage.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-12-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
And what does Loren have to say about this?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy
 --- sometimes you just can't win.

 True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has
 MUCH less than half the mileage.

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-12-01 Thread Loren Faeth

It is all in perspective.

A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 
150k miles.  That would leave you 100k useable miles.


An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 
million.  That leaves 750k to go.


The cost of ownership of the SDL is less.

At 07:54 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote:
Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a 
Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win.


True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and 
it has MUCH less than half the mileage.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-12-01 Thread Fmiser
  Donald H. Snook wrote:
 
  True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his
  SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage.

 Loren wrote:

 It is all in perspective.

 The cost of ownership of the SDL

Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his
next week.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-12-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
Touche!

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Donald H. Snook wrote:
  
   True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his
   SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage.

  Loren wrote:
 
  It is all in perspective.
 
  The cost of ownership of the SDL

 Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his
 next week.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-27 Thread Peter Arnold
I had a 1988 5sd, 4cyl.  I beat on it for 75Kmi.  Sold it because I'd
abused it so much, I figured it's life was about up.
You see, I used it to tow my 3,500# camper all over the place.  When
Towing I NEVER got it into 5th.  Spend lots of time in 3rd at 50 mph.
I seem to remember that buzzed it to about 4,000rpm.
A very stout  rugged vehicle that one.
I did use Mobile1, I'd been told that in such severe duty the ring
lands would run hot enough to break down dino oil.
It also road very rough.  Once while traversing a parking lot with 6
of fresh snow I discovered a parking berm at about 25mph.  I think the
Trooper came off the ground!  My back hurt for a week.  No damage
reported


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On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:28:12 -0800, you wrote:

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for.  Seems
 like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual transmission.
 What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

 What to watch out for?  (other than rust)


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[MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Loren Faeth
Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go 
for.  Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual transmission.

What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

What to watch out for?  (other than rust)

How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?

What kind of mileage would it get?

I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I would love a nice SDL, but Im not doing any buying right now.

Loren Faeth wrote:
Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for.  
Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual transmission.

What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

What to watch out for?  (other than rust)

How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?

What kind of mileage would it get?

I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Kevin
A good friend has an 89, should be fairly similar. His has the 2.6 EFI four
cylinder, which has been pretty solid. Ironically, the company he bought it
from had an 89 pickup with the same engine, but that engine never ran right,
always used a ton of oil, and always had difficulty with smog, even when new.
His has never really had any problems, and has over 250k on it.

It is *NOT* a barnburner by any stretch of the imagination. While his automatic
would probably hold up to the abuse of towing, I wouldn't try it. The vehicle
is light, the rear suspension is light duty (even compared to the pickups),
and it really isn't all that powerful. It barely beat a 78 300D in a drag
race, and the D caught up to it in the top end. 

His with the automatic (which came with manual hubs, manuals had auto hubs,
don't ask me why) gets about 18 mpg on the highway, though there's some rolling
hills around here which knocks a bit off the mileage. I'd imagine the clutch
would do a bit better, though not substantially since the autos had lockup.

If it's the smaller four, it might not be EFI, it might be carbed. If it's a
v6, it's a GM 2.8, enough said.

Back to the 126 on a trailer, if we're assuming a two axle trailer, you'll
need something fairly substantial to pull that. My two axle trailer weighs
in between 1600 and 1800 lbs, add in a 126 and you're well over the 5000 lb
weight limit of most things that aren't built on a 1/2 ton truck frame or
an old station wagon...

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:07:59PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
 Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go 
 for.  Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual 
 transmission.
 What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.
 
 What to watch out for?  (other than rust)
 
 How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?
 
 What kind of mileage would it get?
 
 I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Loren Faeth
It is a 5 speed.  The pictures don't show any v-6 logo.  I have asked 
what the engine is and what the mileage is.  It is reported to be 
from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good.  That is unusual 
around here.  Most of em rusted away years ago.  I gather maybe it 
was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it.


18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me.  My 66 Bronco didn't seem to 
be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried.


The GM 2.8?  What does  'nuff said mean?  I have avoided GM like 
the plague for 30 some years.  I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6.


At 05:21 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote:

A good friend has an 89, should be fairly similar. His has the 2.6 EFI four
cylinder, which has been pretty solid. Ironically, the company he bought it
from had an 89 pickup with the same engine, but that engine never ran right,
always used a ton of oil, and always had difficulty with smog, even when new.
His has never really had any problems, and has over 250k on it.

It is *NOT* a barnburner by any stretch of the imagination. While 
his automatic

would probably hold up to the abuse of towing, I wouldn't try it. The vehicle
is light, the rear suspension is light duty (even compared to the pickups),
and it really isn't all that powerful. It barely beat a 78 300D in a drag
race, and the D caught up to it in the top end.

His with the automatic (which came with manual hubs, manuals had auto hubs,
don't ask me why) gets about 18 mpg on the highway, though there's 
some rolling

hills around here which knocks a bit off the mileage. I'd imagine the clutch
would do a bit better, though not substantially since the autos had lockup.

If it's the smaller four, it might not be EFI, it might be carbed. If it's a
v6, it's a GM 2.8, enough said.

Back to the 126 on a trailer, if we're assuming a two axle trailer, you'll
need something fairly substantial to pull that. My two axle trailer weighs
in between 1600 and 1800 lbs, add in a 126 and you're well over the 5000 lb
weight limit of most things that aren't built on a 1/2 ton truck frame or
an old station wagon...

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:07:59PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
 Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go
 for.  Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual
 transmission.
 What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

 What to watch out for?  (other than rust)

 How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?

 What kind of mileage would it get?

 I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Kevin
My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's been
a california car all its life. 

The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining moment
in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and 
came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities,
S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into some
isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not worth
messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least the
2.6) is a belt engine.

Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're
considered great for body donors :)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
 It is a 5 speed.  The pictures don't show any v-6 logo.  I have asked 
 what the engine is and what the mileage is.  It is reported to be 
 from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good.  That is unusual 
 around here.  Most of em rusted away years ago.  I gather maybe it 
 was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it.
 
 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me.  My 66 Bronco didn't seem to 
 be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried.
 
 The GM 2.8?  What does  'nuff said mean?  I have avoided GM like 
 the plague for 30 some years.  I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread OK Don
Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy ---
sometimes you just can't win.


 I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

 Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Jim Cathey

Sure are a lot of Troopers in the U-Pull.  Makes me wonder.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Ain't over, yet.

Wilton

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 Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy ---
 sometimes you just can't win.

 
  I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?
 
  Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Loren Faeth
Sounds like I should skip it.  I do wonder if an OM607 turbo would 
fit.Na. too much messing around.


At 06:06 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote:

My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's been
a california car all its life.

The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining moment
in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and
came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities,
S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into some
isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not worth
messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least the
2.6) is a belt engine.

Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're
considered great for body donors :)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
 It is a 5 speed.  The pictures don't show any v-6 logo.  I have asked
 what the engine is and what the mileage is.  It is reported to be
 from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good.  That is unusual
 around here.  Most of em rusted away years ago.  I gather maybe it
 was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it.

 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me.  My 66 Bronco didn't seem to
 be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried.

 The GM 2.8?  What does  'nuff said mean?  I have avoided GM like
 the plague for 30 some years.  I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Wonko the Sane
Guy in my DC-area carpool had a Trooper (not sure of the year). It was a bit
crude when it came to the interior but pulled through an unbelievable amount
of snow. We kept chugging along when everyone else had slid off of I-95. It
wasn't fast but it was rugged and I'd love to own one. Sort of like an
oversized CJ-5 except with a hardtop and air conditioning. Not only did we
never get stuck but I can't remember even sliding or having any wheel-spin
in that vehicle, no matter what mother nature threw at us. ... When DC shut
down for snow and sent everyone home, we were happy if it was his turn to
drive.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for.
  Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual transmission.
 What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

 What to watch out for?  (other than rust)

 How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?

 What kind of mileage would it get?

 I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale  Anyone wanna nice SDL?

 Loren Faeth

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Wonko the Sane
No, you should buy it.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Sounds like I should skip it.  I do wonder if an OM607 turbo would fit.
Na. too much messing around.


 At 06:06 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote:

 My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's
 been
 a california car all its life.

 The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining
 moment
 in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and
 came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities,
 S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into
 some
 isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not
 worth
 messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least
 the
 2.6) is a belt engine.

 Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're
 considered great for body donors :)

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote:
  It is a 5 speed.  The pictures don't show any v-6 logo.  I have asked
  what the engine is and what the mileage is.  It is reported to be
  from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good.  That is unusual
  around here.  Most of em rusted away years ago.  I gather maybe it
  was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it.
 
  18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me.  My 66 Bronco didn't seem to
  be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried.
 
  The GM 2.8?  What does  'nuff said mean?  I have avoided GM like
  the plague for 30 some years.  I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6.

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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Curt Raymond
IIRC 2.8 = 93hp which is 'nuff said. I had one in an '88 GMC S15 Jimmy, mine 
had a 5spd so it was fairly driveable (bit snappier off the line than a 2.2l 
190D but worse on the highway) a friend had an auto which was a pig (think 
240D). Mine would average 25mpg overall pretty much no matter what except for 
long stretches in 4wd which brought it down to 18mpg... Great truck, I'd kill 
to have another with no rust. I got rid of mine with ~ 150,000 miles on it, the 
engine ran great, the body was rotten.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:42:13 -0600
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It is a 5 speed.  The pictures don't show any v-6 logo.  I have asked 
what the engine is and what the mileage is.  It is reported to be 
from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good.  That is unusual 
around here.  Most of em rusted away years ago.  I gather maybe it 
was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it.

18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me.  My 66 Bronco didn't seem to 
be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried.

The GM 2.8?  What does  'nuff said mean?  I have avoided GM like 
the plague for 30 some years.  I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6.


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper

2008-11-26 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for.  Seems
 like a pretty decent, straight old trooper.  manual transmission.
 What it worth?  I think i could buy it for $1500.

 What to watch out for?  (other than rust)

 How much can it pull?  Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles?

(Aha, finally a topic I know something about...)

Loren, you won't be towing anything much bigger than a Radio Flyer
wagon at highway speeds with a first generation Trooper.  The analogy
to an old Jeep is apt.  They're crude and uncomfortable on pavement,
but extremely capable off-road.  For $1-2K you should be able to find
a decent second generation Trooper ('92-'99) which is a far more
modern design and pretty much a better vehicle in every way save
mechanical simplicity and perhaps character (think 123 vs 124).  It's
fairly comfortable onroad and a mountain goat off.

The second generation has an Isuzu (not GM) V6 with double the
horsepower of the first generation.  However, the towing capacity
you'd need is still not there.  I have towed a Saab 900 on a dolly
with my '93 and felt that was pretty much at the limit of what it
could safely pull.  But an SDL weighs a lot more than an old Saab, and
a proper car trailer weighs a lot more than a dolly.  For that reason
I recently replaced the Trooper for towing/hauling jobs with an '00
half-ton Suburban (which, BTW, has half again as much power as the
Trooper, gets about the same mileage, and can hold a sheet of plywood
in the back with the gate closed to keep out the constant Oregon rain
on winter runs to Home Depot).

Alex Chamberlain

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