Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
And what does Loren have to say about this? On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
It is all in perspective. A 50k mile caddy is 1/3 spent, if the average lifespan of a caddy is 150k miles. That would leave you 100k useable miles. An SDL with 250k and no rust is 1/4 spent, figuring a lifespan of 1 million. That leaves 750k to go. The cost of ownership of the SDL is less. At 07:54 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: Ok Don wrote: Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Donald H. Snook wrote: True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. The cost of ownership of the SDL Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his next week. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Touche! On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald H. Snook wrote: True. But, I paid less than half what Loren wanted for his SDL and it has MUCH less than half the mileage. Loren wrote: It is all in perspective. The cost of ownership of the SDL Ahh. But you plan to keep your car. Don is likely to sell his next week. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
I had a 1988 5sd, 4cyl. I beat on it for 75Kmi. Sold it because I'd abused it so much, I figured it's life was about up. You see, I used it to tow my 3,500# camper all over the place. When Towing I NEVER got it into 5th. Spend lots of time in 3rd at 50 mph. I seem to remember that buzzed it to about 4,000rpm. A very stout rugged vehicle that one. I did use Mobile1, I'd been told that in such severe duty the ring lands would run hot enough to break down dino oil. It also road very rough. Once while traversing a parking lot with 6 of fresh snow I discovered a parking berm at about 25mph. I think the Trooper came off the ground! My back hurt for a week. No damage reported -- Pete Arnold 2008 Chevy HHR, 33Kmi 2001 PT Cruizer, 98Kmi {Wife's Ride 1995 F-250 P.S.D 205Kmi, Finally Broken in! 1954 Nash Metropolitan, Hanger Queen 1998 Prowler 5th Wheel On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:28:12 -0800, you wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? What kind of mileage would it get? I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
I would love a nice SDL, but Im not doing any buying right now. Loren Faeth wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? What kind of mileage would it get? I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
A good friend has an 89, should be fairly similar. His has the 2.6 EFI four cylinder, which has been pretty solid. Ironically, the company he bought it from had an 89 pickup with the same engine, but that engine never ran right, always used a ton of oil, and always had difficulty with smog, even when new. His has never really had any problems, and has over 250k on it. It is *NOT* a barnburner by any stretch of the imagination. While his automatic would probably hold up to the abuse of towing, I wouldn't try it. The vehicle is light, the rear suspension is light duty (even compared to the pickups), and it really isn't all that powerful. It barely beat a 78 300D in a drag race, and the D caught up to it in the top end. His with the automatic (which came with manual hubs, manuals had auto hubs, don't ask me why) gets about 18 mpg on the highway, though there's some rolling hills around here which knocks a bit off the mileage. I'd imagine the clutch would do a bit better, though not substantially since the autos had lockup. If it's the smaller four, it might not be EFI, it might be carbed. If it's a v6, it's a GM 2.8, enough said. Back to the 126 on a trailer, if we're assuming a two axle trailer, you'll need something fairly substantial to pull that. My two axle trailer weighs in between 1600 and 1800 lbs, add in a 126 and you're well over the 5000 lb weight limit of most things that aren't built on a 1/2 ton truck frame or an old station wagon... On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:07:59PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? What kind of mileage would it get? I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
It is a 5 speed. The pictures don't show any v-6 logo. I have asked what the engine is and what the mileage is. It is reported to be from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good. That is unusual around here. Most of em rusted away years ago. I gather maybe it was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it. 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me. My 66 Bronco didn't seem to be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried. The GM 2.8? What does 'nuff said mean? I have avoided GM like the plague for 30 some years. I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6. At 05:21 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote: A good friend has an 89, should be fairly similar. His has the 2.6 EFI four cylinder, which has been pretty solid. Ironically, the company he bought it from had an 89 pickup with the same engine, but that engine never ran right, always used a ton of oil, and always had difficulty with smog, even when new. His has never really had any problems, and has over 250k on it. It is *NOT* a barnburner by any stretch of the imagination. While his automatic would probably hold up to the abuse of towing, I wouldn't try it. The vehicle is light, the rear suspension is light duty (even compared to the pickups), and it really isn't all that powerful. It barely beat a 78 300D in a drag race, and the D caught up to it in the top end. His with the automatic (which came with manual hubs, manuals had auto hubs, don't ask me why) gets about 18 mpg on the highway, though there's some rolling hills around here which knocks a bit off the mileage. I'd imagine the clutch would do a bit better, though not substantially since the autos had lockup. If it's the smaller four, it might not be EFI, it might be carbed. If it's a v6, it's a GM 2.8, enough said. Back to the 126 on a trailer, if we're assuming a two axle trailer, you'll need something fairly substantial to pull that. My two axle trailer weighs in between 1600 and 1800 lbs, add in a 126 and you're well over the 5000 lb weight limit of most things that aren't built on a 1/2 ton truck frame or an old station wagon... On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:07:59PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? What kind of mileage would it get? I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's been a california car all its life. The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining moment in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities, S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into some isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not worth messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least the 2.6) is a belt engine. Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're considered great for body donors :) On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote: It is a 5 speed. The pictures don't show any v-6 logo. I have asked what the engine is and what the mileage is. It is reported to be from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good. That is unusual around here. Most of em rusted away years ago. I gather maybe it was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it. 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me. My 66 Bronco didn't seem to be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried. The GM 2.8? What does 'nuff said mean? I have avoided GM like the plague for 30 some years. I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? Loren Faeth -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Sure are a lot of Troopers in the U-Pull. Makes me wonder. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
'Ain't over, yet. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper Snook was looking for a nice SDL --- ended up with a Caddy --- sometimes you just can't win. I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? Loren Faeth -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Sounds like I should skip it. I do wonder if an OM607 turbo would fit.Na. too much messing around. At 06:06 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote: My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's been a california car all its life. The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining moment in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities, S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into some isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not worth messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least the 2.6) is a belt engine. Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're considered great for body donors :) On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote: It is a 5 speed. The pictures don't show any v-6 logo. I have asked what the engine is and what the mileage is. It is reported to be from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good. That is unusual around here. Most of em rusted away years ago. I gather maybe it was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it. 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me. My 66 Bronco didn't seem to be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried. The GM 2.8? What does 'nuff said mean? I have avoided GM like the plague for 30 some years. I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
Guy in my DC-area carpool had a Trooper (not sure of the year). It was a bit crude when it came to the interior but pulled through an unbelievable amount of snow. We kept chugging along when everyone else had slid off of I-95. It wasn't fast but it was rugged and I'd love to own one. Sort of like an oversized CJ-5 except with a hardtop and air conditioning. Not only did we never get stuck but I can't remember even sliding or having any wheel-spin in that vehicle, no matter what mother nature threw at us. ... When DC shut down for snow and sent everyone home, we were happy if it was his turn to drive. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? What kind of mileage would it get? I know, I need to not look at stuff for sale Anyone wanna nice SDL? Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
No, you should buy it. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sounds like I should skip it. I do wonder if an OM607 turbo would fit. Na. too much messing around. At 06:06 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote: My friends is so rusty it's barely worth changing the oil in. And it's been a california car all its life. The GM 2.8 v6 was used in lots of things, and really was not a shining moment in GM's engineering. I came to dislike them from downsized cherokees, and came to find out friends that had them in camaros, citations, celebrities, S-10s, and whatnot disliked them as well. They also made their way into some isuzu stuff. Not a whole lot more power than the 2.6 four, really not worth messing with it, and that's saying a lot since the isuzu fours (at least the 2.6) is a belt engine. Snook can probably give more info on the 2.8. In the Jeep world, they're considered great for body donors :) On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 05:42:13PM -0600, Loren Faeth wrote: It is a 5 speed. The pictures don't show any v-6 logo. I have asked what the engine is and what the mileage is. It is reported to be from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good. That is unusual around here. Most of em rusted away years ago. I gather maybe it was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it. 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me. My 66 Bronco didn't seem to be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried. The GM 2.8? What does 'nuff said mean? I have avoided GM like the plague for 30 some years. I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
IIRC 2.8 = 93hp which is 'nuff said. I had one in an '88 GMC S15 Jimmy, mine had a 5spd so it was fairly driveable (bit snappier off the line than a 2.2l 190D but worse on the highway) a friend had an auto which was a pig (think 240D). Mine would average 25mpg overall pretty much no matter what except for long stretches in 4wd which brought it down to 18mpg... Great truck, I'd kill to have another with no rust. I got rid of mine with ~ 150,000 miles on it, the engine ran great, the body was rotten. -Curt Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:42:13 -0600 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed It is a 5 speed. The pictures don't show any v-6 logo. I have asked what the engine is and what the mileage is. It is reported to be from GA, so there is no rust and it looks good. That is unusual around here. Most of em rusted away years ago. I gather maybe it was driven by a lil ol man until he got too feeble to drive it. 18 MPG with 4WD seems pretty good to me. My 66 Bronco didn't seem to be able to do better than 10 MPG no matter what i tried. The GM 2.8? What does 'nuff said mean? I have avoided GM like the plague for 30 some years. I gather you are saying to avoid the v-6. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT 87 Isuzu trooper
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stumbled over an 87 Trooper while looking to see what pickups go for. Seems like a pretty decent, straight old trooper. manual transmission. What it worth? I think i could buy it for $1500. What to watch out for? (other than rust) How much can it pull? Can it pull a 126 on a trailer 2000 miles? (Aha, finally a topic I know something about...) Loren, you won't be towing anything much bigger than a Radio Flyer wagon at highway speeds with a first generation Trooper. The analogy to an old Jeep is apt. They're crude and uncomfortable on pavement, but extremely capable off-road. For $1-2K you should be able to find a decent second generation Trooper ('92-'99) which is a far more modern design and pretty much a better vehicle in every way save mechanical simplicity and perhaps character (think 123 vs 124). It's fairly comfortable onroad and a mountain goat off. The second generation has an Isuzu (not GM) V6 with double the horsepower of the first generation. However, the towing capacity you'd need is still not there. I have towed a Saab 900 on a dolly with my '93 and felt that was pretty much at the limit of what it could safely pull. But an SDL weighs a lot more than an old Saab, and a proper car trailer weighs a lot more than a dolly. For that reason I recently replaced the Trooper for towing/hauling jobs with an '00 half-ton Suburban (which, BTW, has half again as much power as the Trooper, gets about the same mileage, and can hold a sheet of plywood in the back with the gate closed to keep out the constant Oregon rain on winter runs to Home Depot). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com