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On 13/05/2021 12:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On 2021-05-13 12:37, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I actually talked to him a couple of minutes ago so I asked. He says he has worked on all of them but most of the cab off repairs were on 6.4 engines. There was a discussion in another forum last weekend, when the usual 6.0-6.4 hate started up, some guy stepped up to defend them by claiming that a simple upgrade from head bolts to head studs was a good prophylactic. Then the detractors came out and said they'd rather buy a non-defective engine than tear it down and put studs in the block. Then a supporter (singular) stepped up and said there was nothing wrong with the head bolts to begin with. ___ A lot of the trades people that drive these chip them for more power. Ultimately, the head bolts stretch if one does that. Whenever the shop where my son worked, did those jobs they did install the stud kit. That is expensive too. If you leave the engine stock, it is much less likely to have those issues. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 2021-05-13 12:37, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I actually talked to him a couple of minutes ago so I asked. He says he has worked on all of them but most of the cab off repairs were on 6.4 engines. There was a discussion in another forum last weekend, when the usual 6.0-6.4 hate started up, some guy stepped up to defend them by claiming that a simple upgrade from head bolts to head studs was a good prophylactic. Then the detractors came out and said they'd rather buy a non-defective engine than tear it down and put studs in the block. Then a supporter (singular) stepped up and said there was nothing wrong with the head bolts to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a neighbor with a 7.3L Powerstroke. I know boats that cost less to maintain and repair. -D > On May 13, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L Powerstrokes > (94-2003). > Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. > >> On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be >> careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My >> son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work >> on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head >> gaskets started to leak. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup. Any cylinder head removal on an newer Ford truck requires removal of the cab. That, and the spark plug woes of the 2000's 5.4 engine made for some innovative tool design. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 13, 2021 11:40 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price Of Fuel I don't think the cab off part is because of the engine, I think it's the newer (post 2000?) style trucks... -Curt On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 12:38:08 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I actually talked to him a couple of minutes ago so I asked. He says he has worked on all of them but most of the cab off repairs were on 6.4 engines. Randy On 13/05/2021 11:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L > Powerstrokes (94-2003). > Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. > > On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be >> careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My >> son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work >> on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head >> gaskets started to leak. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think the cab off part is because of the engine, I think it's the newer (post 2000?) style trucks... -Curt On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 12:38:08 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I actually talked to him a couple of minutes ago so I asked. He says he has worked on all of them but most of the cab off repairs were on 6.4 engines. Randy On 13/05/2021 11:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L > Powerstrokes (94-2003). > Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. > > On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be >> careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My >> son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work >> on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head >> gaskets started to leak. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I actually talked to him a couple of minutes ago so I asked. He says he has worked on all of them but most of the cab off repairs were on 6.4 engines. Randy On 13/05/2021 11:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L Powerstrokes (94-2003). Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head gaskets started to leak. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think Randy is correct on all points. The gas engines available today are so powerful, fuel efficient and long-lived the advantages of a diesel are considerably less than they used to be. Last night I hauled the dirty old Ferd to Maine. 4,000# tractor on what is probably a 1,000# trailer. Dodge RAM 1500, 5.7l hauled it no problem. 390HP, it did hold in 4th (5spd automatic) to pull hills but I never felt like I couldn't accelerate. 3/4 ton and heavier trucks need more expensive tires too, like twice the money. Insurance and tax will be more too... -Curt On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 11:54:04 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head gaskets started to leak. You cannot remove the heads without removing the cab so labour is high and parts are expensive. Just routine maintenance is high given the amount of oil they require and the cost of fuel filters etc. If you avoid the routine service, then you have more likely troubles. Plus, living in ND in the winter is a tough place for a diesel. I know people in cold climates who basically leave the truck run all day and park it in a heated garage at night. He would likely be much better off with a gas powered truck. Randy On 13/05/2021 12:10 AM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Yes, not a very economically practical adventure. Better than keeping the > young fellow strapped to a clapped out car he is not putting time and > attention/cash toward making it fully functional. A blended benzo-yeep with > attendant quality issues. He dreams big, but invests in some things that are > not Adulting productive. Mama will not allow him to suffer and starve, it is > her car, and I am best to just keep my yap shut. > > To be most appropriate for his location, a pick up from the big three would > be more useful, given that those are the only dealers within an hour drive of > his home. He wants a big old commercial style diesel pick-emup. We all > dream big. One day he will earn enough to afford one. > > As for getting value for the car in ANC. Yes, the thing would have greater > resale up north, but mama wants her baby to have a “reliable” car, unlike the > W140 and the yeep (cursed daimler cars) he owned previous to getting this > thing. Also, dropping close to $4k on shipping and servicing the thing so it > is “reliable” and in his hands…. probably could have instead put that cash in > as down payment to that truck. I would guess that the Rav would have fetched > pretty close to high book with both sets of tires and a nice detailing. V6 > Limited AWD, but no trailer hitch. Would be a good way to transport a single > snow machine or whatever GWN people like to do. Not my car, so she gets to > make the rules up. Money is to be spent for the things you like. Would have > cost something to have her new CRV get trucked to the port and tossed on a > boat. This way she “saves” by driving it half way back and still will pay > enough to get a reasonably nice W123 to get it sent to ANC. > > I guess you just can not put a value on a mother’s love > > --- > clay > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe they would have been the 7.3 but I will ask and confirm. Randy On 13/05/2021 11:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L Powerstrokes (94-2003). Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head gaskets started to leak. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ask him if those were the 6.0-6.4L engines (2003+), or the 7.3L Powerstrokes (94-2003). Everybody hated the 6.0 six months after it came out. On 2021-05-13 10:53, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head gaskets started to leak. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know most of us on here are diesel junkies but he really needs to be careful about buying a "big old commercial style diesel pick-emup". My son is a mechanic and he used to work in a shop that did a lot of work on F250 diesel trucks. The usual cost was around $9,000 when the head gaskets started to leak. You cannot remove the heads without removing the cab so labour is high and parts are expensive. Just routine maintenance is high given the amount of oil they require and the cost of fuel filters etc. If you avoid the routine service, then you have more likely troubles. Plus, living in ND in the winter is a tough place for a diesel. I know people in cold climates who basically leave the truck run all day and park it in a heated garage at night. He would likely be much better off with a gas powered truck. Randy On 13/05/2021 12:10 AM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: Yes, not a very economically practical adventure. Better than keeping the young fellow strapped to a clapped out car he is not putting time and attention/cash toward making it fully functional. A blended benzo-yeep with attendant quality issues. He dreams big, but invests in some things that are not Adulting productive. Mama will not allow him to suffer and starve, it is her car, and I am best to just keep my yap shut. To be most appropriate for his location, a pick up from the big three would be more useful, given that those are the only dealers within an hour drive of his home. He wants a big old commercial style diesel pick-emup. We all dream big. One day he will earn enough to afford one. As for getting value for the car in ANC. Yes, the thing would have greater resale up north, but mama wants her baby to have a “reliable” car, unlike the W140 and the yeep (cursed daimler cars) he owned previous to getting this thing. Also, dropping close to $4k on shipping and servicing the thing so it is “reliable” and in his hands…. probably could have instead put that cash in as down payment to that truck. I would guess that the Rav would have fetched pretty close to high book with both sets of tires and a nice detailing. V6 Limited AWD, but no trailer hitch. Would be a good way to transport a single snow machine or whatever GWN people like to do. Not my car, so she gets to make the rules up. Money is to be spent for the things you like. Would have cost something to have her new CRV get trucked to the port and tossed on a boat. This way she “saves” by driving it half way back and still will pay enough to get a reasonably nice W123 to get it sent to ANC. I guess you just can not put a value on a mother’s love --- clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, not a very economically practical adventure. Better than keeping the young fellow strapped to a clapped out car he is not putting time and attention/cash toward making it fully functional. A blended benzo-yeep with attendant quality issues. He dreams big, but invests in some things that are not Adulting productive. Mama will not allow him to suffer and starve, it is her car, and I am best to just keep my yap shut. To be most appropriate for his location, a pick up from the big three would be more useful, given that those are the only dealers within an hour drive of his home. He wants a big old commercial style diesel pick-emup. We all dream big. One day he will earn enough to afford one. As for getting value for the car in ANC. Yes, the thing would have greater resale up north, but mama wants her baby to have a “reliable” car, unlike the W140 and the yeep (cursed daimler cars) he owned previous to getting this thing. Also, dropping close to $4k on shipping and servicing the thing so it is “reliable” and in his hands…. probably could have instead put that cash in as down payment to that truck. I would guess that the Rav would have fetched pretty close to high book with both sets of tires and a nice detailing. V6 Limited AWD, but no trailer hitch. Would be a good way to transport a single snow machine or whatever GWN people like to do. Not my car, so she gets to make the rules up. Money is to be spent for the things you like. Would have cost something to have her new CRV get trucked to the port and tossed on a boat. This way she “saves” by driving it half way back and still will pay enough to get a reasonably nice W123 to get it sent to ANC. I guess you just can not put a value on a mother’s love --- clay I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > On May 12, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does it make economic sense to ship a used vehicle down from AK? Wouldn't it > have more value there than in the lower 48? > > Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does it make economic sense to ship a used vehicle down from AK? Wouldn't it have more value there than in the lower 48? Randy On 11/05/2021 8:37 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: New adventure in the Clay departs SEA saga. Yesterday I had a taxi take me to the Port of Tacoma to pick up the car SWMBA had sent down from ANC to replace the krap Yeep of #1 boy in ND. He spent the past weekend picking up her new CRV in Sioux Falls. We are to swap cars on the plains of MT this weekend. The honda heads to GWN on Monday. Short story long, the Yota was supposed to be serviced in ANC, but time ran out, so I schedule it for a shop near me. Since sending things on a boat out of the arctic is a dynamic adventure, it could have been 7-10 days the car shows up. Got lucky and it came early and instead of trying to get it serviced 5/16 as scheduled (service manager said it could take 2 days to get the work done) I begged for dropping it off this morning and maybe they could shoe horn it in if they got some slack time. Big surprise to me, they actually were able to do a full service by the end of the day. Car was sent with less than quarter tank of fuel and I was pretty sure I could get it home and to the shop on the fumes in the tank. When I picked the car up a few hours ago, I went to fuel up for the long drive ahead. Pulled up to the pump and 87 octane is now $4.28/gal. Crazy. There are two refineries in the state and the oil they process comes out of AK. Must be sympathy pains for rising fuel prices on the other coast. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> Can refined gasoline be transported by rail or is that considered too > dangerous? Yeah, much more dangerous than the LPG, anhydrous ammonia, or sulfuric acid they transport routinely and in great quantity! The crude oil and molten sulfur is tame by comparison. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah apparently folks are hoarding gasolina like it it 2020 TP. Stations around here have run out. I filled up 2 vehicles at Costco Friday and Sunday in anticipation of this mess so I’m good for awhile. --FT Sent from iPhone > On May 11, 2021, at 11:30 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have seen news today of Carter-esque gas lines and stations with no fuel. > > Time to get the national guard tanker fleet on the road? Is there one? > > Can refined gasoline be transported by rail or is that considered too > dangerous? > > The latest crisis to not go to waste? > > Allan > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > >> Apparently Ashville has no fuel, period? >> >>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 9:48 PM Clay via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sure you can! Contact all manner of eco friendly municipalities or >>> property owners and haul the kids on over. SEA loves to contract for goat >>> removal of offending herbaceous matter. The bus arrives, the area is >>> fenced off and for the next few days goat poop is produced. Then the kids >>> get back on the bus and head off to greener pastures. Maybe the things >>> could be used to clear homeless encampments. Eat the greens and some >>> trash, ship some hogs in to take care of the really nasty stuff… like >>> campers >>> >>> --- >>> clay >>> >>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what >>> I'm looking for didn't fall out. >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 10, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if >>> I could make money trucking them south to rent out? -Curt On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via >>> Mercedes wrote: Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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New adventure in the Clay departs SEA saga. Yesterday I had a taxi take me to the Port of Tacoma to pick up the car SWMBA had sent down from ANC to replace the krap Yeep of #1 boy in ND. He spent the past weekend picking up her new CRV in Sioux Falls. We are to swap cars on the plains of MT this weekend. The honda heads to GWN on Monday. Short story long, the Yota was supposed to be serviced in ANC, but time ran out, so I schedule it for a shop near me. Since sending things on a boat out of the arctic is a dynamic adventure, it could have been 7-10 days the car shows up. Got lucky and it came early and instead of trying to get it serviced 5/16 as scheduled (service manager said it could take 2 days to get the work done) I begged for dropping it off this morning and maybe they could shoe horn it in if they got some slack time. Big surprise to me, they actually were able to do a full service by the end of the day. Car was sent with less than quarter tank of fuel and I was pretty sure I could get it home and to the shop on the fumes in the tank. When I picked the car up a few hours ago, I went to fuel up for the long drive ahead. Pulled up to the pump and 87 octane is now $4.28/gal. Crazy. There are two refineries in the state and the oil they process comes out of AK. Must be sympathy pains for rising fuel prices on the other coast. clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On May 11, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > A fellow in the retail petroleum business says: > > If people didn’t panic buy like morons. Everyone would en fine. > > > > The choke point isn’t the pipelines or lack there of. > > It’s trucks and drivers. There is not spare capacity in trucking right now. > So over buying means it just can’t be delivered. > > I’ve said this in like 5 other threads. Kinder Morgan PPL line has more than > enough capacity. Let alone tankers coming out of Jacksonville or Tampa. Or if > you’re in Mississippi or around MS, you have Ergon, Hunt refining, and > Chevron. > > In TN you have Citgos refinery. > > > There’s plenty of fuel. Just not enough trucks. Chill on the panic buying > morons. Especially if you’re not in an affected state. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A fellow in the retail petroleum business says: If people didn’t panic buy like morons. Everyone would en fine. The choke point isn’t the pipelines or lack there of. It’s trucks and drivers. There is not spare capacity in trucking right now. So over buying means it just can’t be delivered. I’ve said this in like 5 other threads. Kinder Morgan PPL line has more than enough capacity. Let alone tankers coming out of Jacksonville or Tampa. Or if you’re in Mississippi or around MS, you have Ergon, Hunt refining, and Chevron. In TN you have Citgos refinery. There’s plenty of fuel. Just not enough trucks. Chill on the panic buying morons. Especially if you’re not in an affected state. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have seen news today of Carter-esque gas lines and stations with no fuel. Time to get the national guard tanker fleet on the road? Is there one? Can refined gasoline be transported by rail or is that considered too dangerous? The latest crisis to not go to waste? Allan Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > Apparently Ashville has no fuel, period? > > On Mon, May 10, 2021, 9:48 PM Clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Sure you can! Contact all manner of eco friendly municipalities or >> property owners and haul the kids on over. SEA loves to contract for goat >> removal of offending herbaceous matter. The bus arrives, the area is >> fenced off and for the next few days goat poop is produced. Then the kids >> get back on the bus and head off to greener pastures. Maybe the things >> could be used to clear homeless encampments. Eat the greens and some >> trash, ship some hogs in to take care of the really nasty stuff… like >> campers >> >> --- >> clay >> >> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what >> I'm looking for didn't fall out. >> >> >> >> >> > On May 10, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if >> I could make money trucking them south to rent out? >> > -Curt >> > >> >On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via >> Mercedes wrote: >> > >> > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apparently Ashville has no fuel, period? On Mon, May 10, 2021, 9:48 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Sure you can! Contact all manner of eco friendly municipalities or > property owners and haul the kids on over. SEA loves to contract for goat > removal of offending herbaceous matter. The bus arrives, the area is > fenced off and for the next few days goat poop is produced. Then the kids > get back on the bus and head off to greener pastures. Maybe the things > could be used to clear homeless encampments. Eat the greens and some > trash, ship some hogs in to take care of the really nasty stuff… like > campers > > --- > clay > > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what > I'm looking for didn't fall out. > > > > > > On May 10, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if > I could make money trucking them south to rent out? > > -Curt > > > >On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure you can! Contact all manner of eco friendly municipalities or property owners and haul the kids on over. SEA loves to contract for goat removal of offending herbaceous matter. The bus arrives, the area is fenced off and for the next few days goat poop is produced. Then the kids get back on the bus and head off to greener pastures. Maybe the things could be used to clear homeless encampments. Eat the greens and some trash, ship some hogs in to take care of the really nasty stuff… like campers --- clay I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > On May 10, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if I > could make money trucking them south to rent out? > -Curt > >On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 7:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Neighbor rented goats to clear his lot a year ago. They ride in school bus. > "Isn't the smell and mess horrible?" "Yeah, but the goats don't mind." ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Keep the flora that feeds the fauna, in the places where you can. Sustainable farming is a good thing. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 2:25 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Using Baltimore as a benchmark it's nearly 800 miles from the great > northern estate in Caribou. > We've got some pretty great thorns up north too. Last fall I shot a > partridge in a hedgerow and then realized that I couldn't get to it. I > don't know what the bushes are but they've got 1" long thorns that are just > vicious. I ended up crawling 50 feet on my belly each way to retrieve the > bird. > Now I'm debating, on the one hand, the bush hog will make short work of > those thorns. On the other, if the birds like the thorn bush maybe I should > keep it... > > -Curt > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You want some real thorns? New Zealand has gorse fields that are literally impenetrable. "Its introduction resulted in large spreading infestations over hundreds of hectares, peaking in the late 1940s. It was recognised as a threat as early as 1861 where the Provincial Council in Nelson passing an act to prevent the planting of gorse hedges. The seed can lie dormant on the ground for up to 50 years, germinating quickly after the adults have been removed. Unfortunately, most methods of removing adult gorse plants, such as burning or bulldozing them, create the ideal conditions for the gorse seeds to germinate and total eradication with current technology seems impossible. Gorse is now one of the most widely recognised agricultural weeds in New Zealand. It covers 700,000 hectares (1,700,000 acres) at varying densities — a total of 5% of the land area of New Zealand when excluding existing indigenous forest, vegetated sub-alpine and alpine areas.Gorse became New Zealand's most costly weed to control, an estimated $22 million per annum by the early 1980s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorse_in_New_Zealand On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > Using Baltimore as a benchmark it's nearly 800 miles from the great > northern estate in Caribou. > > We've got some pretty great thorns up north too. Last fall I shot a > partridge in a hedgerow and then realized that I couldn't get to it. I > don't know what the bushes are but they've got 1" long thorns that are just > vicious. I ended up crawling 50 feet on my belly each way to retrieve the > bird. > > Now I'm debating, on the one hand, the bush hog will make short work of > those thorns. On the other, if the birds like the thorn bush maybe I should > keep it... > > -Curt > > On Monday, May 10, 2021, 2:07:33 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Curt, I'm guessing your trip to MD will cover 475 - 500 miles. I won't be > able to cover your expenses but the excursion will be PRICELESS and the > goats will love our first in class thorn bushes. > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I am thinking of buying a goat to give the Komondor something to protect > > other than us. > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder > if > > I > > > could make money trucking them south to rent out? > > > -Curt > > > > > >On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > > > > > --FT > > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > > > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled > > > burn... > > > > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. > no > > > > worries... ;)) > > > > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > > > > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > > > > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of > > > putting > > > >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > > > >> > > > >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn > bushes. > > > >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > > >>> > > > >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price > will > > > >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > > > Mid-Atlantic. > > > >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > > > see a > > > >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > > > backs > > > >> up > > > >>> into tanks > > > >>> > > > >>> Clay > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > >>> > > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > Excellent points. > > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > > > >>> Windows > > > based computers... > > > >>> > > > >>> ___ > > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >>> > > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> ___ > > > >> http:/
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Using Baltimore as a benchmark it's nearly 800 miles from the great northern estate in Caribou. We've got some pretty great thorns up north too. Last fall I shot a partridge in a hedgerow and then realized that I couldn't get to it. I don't know what the bushes are but they've got 1" long thorns that are just vicious. I ended up crawling 50 feet on my belly each way to retrieve the bird. Now I'm debating, on the one hand, the bush hog will make short work of those thorns. On the other, if the birds like the thorn bush maybe I should keep it... -Curt On Monday, May 10, 2021, 2:07:33 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Curt, I'm guessing your trip to MD will cover 475 - 500 miles. I won't be able to cover your expenses but the excursion will be PRICELESS and the goats will love our first in class thorn bushes. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am thinking of buying a goat to give the Komondor something to protect > other than us. > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if > I > > could make money trucking them south to rent out? > > -Curt > > > > On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > > > --FT > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Andrew, > > > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled > > burn... > > > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > > > worries... ;)) > > > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > > > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of > > putting > > >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > > >> > > >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > > >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > > >> > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > >>> > > >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > > >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > > Mid-Atlantic. > > >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > > see a > > >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > > backs > > >> up > > >>> into tanks > > >>> > > >>> Clay > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > >>> > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > > > Excellent points. > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > > >>> Windows > > based computers... > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives htt
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Curt, I'm guessing your trip to MD will cover 475 - 500 miles. I won't be able to cover your expenses but the excursion will be PRICELESS and the goats will love our first in class thorn bushes. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am thinking of buying a goat to give the Komondor something to protect > other than us. > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if > I > > could make money trucking them south to rent out? > > -Curt > > > > On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > > > --FT > > Sent from iPhone > > > > > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Andrew, > > > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled > > burn... > > > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > > > worries... ;)) > > > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > > > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of > > putting > > >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > > >> > > >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > > >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > > >> > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > >>> > > >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > > >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > > Mid-Atlantic. > > >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > > see a > > >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > > backs > > >> up > > >>> into tanks > > >>> > > >>> Clay > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > >>> > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > > > Excellent points. > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > > >>> Windows > > based computers... > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am thinking of buying a goat to give the Komondor something to protect other than us. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if I > could make money trucking them south to rent out? > -Curt > > On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > Mercedes wrote: > > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Andrew, > > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled > burn... > > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > > worries... ;)) > > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of > putting > >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > >> > >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > >> > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > >>> > >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > Mid-Atlantic. > >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > see a > >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > backs > >> up > >>> into tanks > >>> > >>> Clay > >>> > >>> > >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur > >>> > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> wrote: > > Excellent points. > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > >>> Windows > based computers... > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We've been talking about goats on the vast northern estate. I wonder if I could make money trucking them south to rent out? -Curt On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:38:54 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services --FT Sent from iPhone > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Andrew, > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled burn... > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > worries... ;)) > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* >> >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. >> >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. >>> >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the Mid-Atlantic. >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could see a >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude backs >> up >>> into tanks >>> >>> Clay >>> >>> >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur >>> On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> >>> wrote: Excellent points. Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by >>> Windows based computers... >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Given the choice they would much rather feast on my beets and chard. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:38 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Andrew, > > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled > burn... > > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > > worries... ;)) > > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of > putting > >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > >> > >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > >> > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > >>> > >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > Mid-Atlantic. > >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > see a > >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > backs > >> up > >>> into tanks > >>> > >>> Clay > >>> > >>> > >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur > >>> > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> wrote: > > Excellent points. > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > >>> Windows > based computers... > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Goats. I’ve seen rent-a-goat services --FT Sent from iPhone > On May 10, 2021, at 12:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Andrew, > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled burn... > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > worries... ;)) > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting >> them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* >> >> Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. >> Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. >> >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> Boeing, flying windows into the ground. >>> >>> Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will >>> creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the Mid-Atlantic. >>> Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could see a >>> replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude backs >> up >>> into tanks >>> >>> Clay >>> >>> >>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur >>> On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> >>> wrote: Excellent points. Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by >>> Windows based computers... >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are a Prince among scoundrels. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:00 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Andrew, > Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled burn... > 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no > worries... ;)) > Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. > Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting > > them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > > > > Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > > Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > > > > > Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > > > creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the > Mid-Atlantic. > > > Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could > see a > > > replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude > backs > > up > > > into tanks > > > > > > Clay > > > > > > > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > > > > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent points. > > > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > > > Windows > > > > based computers... > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew, Happy to accommodate your torn bush removal needs with a controlled burn... 2 gallons of gas, one match, catch the wind in the right direction.. no worries... ;)) Slightly higher charge for the propane weed burner torch treatment. Zoning restrictions on open fire are not my concern... ;)) On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > *Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting > them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* > > Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. > Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > > > Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > > creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the Mid-Atlantic. > > Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could see a > > replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude backs > up > > into tanks > > > > Clay > > > > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > > > > Excellent points. > > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > > Windows > > > based computers... > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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*Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash.* Great suggestion, Grant. I need my back yard cleared of thorn bushes. Will pay you OVER minimum wage, provided you can find your way east. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:39 AM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Boeing, flying windows into the ground. > > Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will > creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the Mid-Atlantic. > Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could see a > replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude backs up > into tanks > > Clay > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Excellent points. > > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by > Windows > > based computers... > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Boeing, flying windows into the ground. Oil out of AK is still sitting just under $70. Maybe the price will creep up now that there is less fuel making its way to the Mid-Atlantic. Probably not. Bakken remains reasonable. West TX the same. Could see a replay of the oil mess of last May. Fuel prices rise, while crude backs up into tanks Clay inter urinas et faeces nascimur > On May 9, 2021, at 9:20 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Excellent points. > Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by Windows > based computers... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That would resolve a host of issues for the cruise ship industry. AK is going to have a massive bust if the boats full of tourist fail to show up for yet another year. Thing were just starting to look up after six years of recession, and then the current plague sucked a massive number of jobs in tourism out with the tides. Canada does not allow boats to transit or dock, so anybody getting on a boat in Seattle, with Jones act dead, would be most welcome in GWN. Not sure how much more transport of goods northbound would make for better living there as well. Then again, the boats heading south are pretty much deadheading garbage/trash and recycling. Not much of commercial value otherwise. clay Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end. > On May 9, 2021, at 8:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder if they (government) will suspend the Jones Act. > > > Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent points. Imagine if all the Bombers built at Willow Run Plant were built by Windows based computers... Heck, we would be speaking German along with everyone else in the "New Third Reich". And, the Windows computers would still be rebooting from the latest crash. Seems to me, it's time to employ people to do things, instead of putting them out of work with machines that can be hacked or crash. On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 6:16 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Digital leads to fewer workers and more vulnerability. > > Analog will give you much greater employment and the flesh and blood can > make things happen when lights go out. Mechanical systems may rust up, but > you have to kill the operator to make it go down. > > clay > > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > > > > > On May 9, 2021, at 8:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a > > particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via > computers. > > The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of > > your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a > > computer system that is vulnerable to attack. > > To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is > now > > every industry, not just one. > > > > Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop > > the supply of goods, or services. > > But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? > > > > On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder if they (government) will suspend the Jones Act. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 9, 2021 10:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price Of Fuel With the east coast pipeline shut down, a state of emergencey has been declared, waiving the hours of service limits for tanker trucks so that fuel can be trucked in. https://www.transportationnation.com/h-o-s-suspended-for-fuel-haulers-in-18-states-after-cyber-attack-forces-major-pipeline-to-shut-down/ You're probably set to make a nice bit of income if you are an owner/operator with a tanker endorsement. Allan dan--- via Mercedes writes: > As someone involved in the security side of things, I am aware of this > incident, which was due to a ransomeware attack. These exploit the ignorance > of humans to be successful, which is the weakest part of the whole system. If > we relied solely on hardware and software solutions for security we would be > far better off. When the human element is factored in, all bets are off. > > You can’t imagine the stupid, idiotic stuff people do or get coerced to do. I > see this stuff all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me. > > If I get the right person to respond to my efforts, I’m in and ready to wreak > havoc. > > In a case like this, the best thing to do is completely shut down and start > methodically bringing things up with trusted/clean hardware and images. It > takes time, but I assume this is what the transmission line folks are doing. > > -D > >> On May 9, 2021, at 8:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a >> particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via computers. >> The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of >> your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a >> computer system that is vulnerable to attack. >> To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is now >> every industry, not just one. >> >> Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop >> the supply of goods, or services. >> But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? >> >> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>>> On 2021-05-08 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>>> Is probably going up. >>>> >>>> >>> https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ >>> >>> To quote a guy who owns an oil company: >>> >>> Depends on how fast they can get it restored. >>> >>> >>> Last time it was down, it was down for 16 days due to a leak caused by a >>> contractor working on it. >>> >>> >>> If it’s for a few hours / days. Not a big deal. >>> >>> >>> If it’s for 5-7 days, Time to worry a bit, especially if you’re AO is >>> only supplied by the colonial. >>> >>> >>> Looking at you GA / SC / NC / TN / VA. >>> >>> >>> But I really don’t see it being a huge deal. Worse case 2-3 days and >>> they should be back up and running. If not faster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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With the east coast pipeline shut down, a state of emergencey has been declared, waiving the hours of service limits for tanker trucks so that fuel can be trucked in. https://www.transportationnation.com/h-o-s-suspended-for-fuel-haulers-in-18-states-after-cyber-attack-forces-major-pipeline-to-shut-down/ You're probably set to make a nice bit of income if you are an owner/operator with a tanker endorsement. Allan dan--- via Mercedes writes: > As someone involved in the security side of things, I am aware of this > incident, which was due to a ransomeware attack. These exploit the ignorance > of humans to be successful, which is the weakest part of the whole system. If > we relied solely on hardware and software solutions for security we would be > far better off. When the human element is factored in, all bets are off. > > You can’t imagine the stupid, idiotic stuff people do or get coerced to do. I > see this stuff all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me. > > If I get the right person to respond to my efforts, I’m in and ready to wreak > havoc. > > In a case like this, the best thing to do is completely shut down and start > methodically bringing things up with trusted/clean hardware and images. It > takes time, but I assume this is what the transmission line folks are doing. > > -D > >> On May 9, 2021, at 8:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a >> particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via computers. >> The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of >> your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a >> computer system that is vulnerable to attack. >> To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is now >> every industry, not just one. >> >> Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop >> the supply of goods, or services. >> But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? >> >> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> On 2021-05-08 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Is probably going up. >>> https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ >>> >>> To quote a guy who owns an oil company: >>> >>> Depends on how fast they can get it restored. >>> >>> >>> Last time it was down, it was down for 16 days due to a leak caused by a >>> contractor working on it. >>> >>> >>> If it’s for a few hours / days. Not a big deal. >>> >>> >>> If it’s for 5-7 days, Time to worry a bit, especially if you’re AO is >>> only supplied by the colonial. >>> >>> >>> Looking at you GA / SC / NC / TN / VA. >>> >>> >>> But I really don’t see it being a huge deal. Worse case 2-3 days and >>> they should be back up and running. If not faster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Digital leads to fewer workers and more vulnerability. Analog will give you much greater employment and the flesh and blood can make things happen when lights go out. Mechanical systems may rust up, but you have to kill the operator to make it go down. clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 9, 2021, at 8:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a > particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via computers. > The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of > your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a > computer system that is vulnerable to attack. > To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is now > every industry, not just one. > > Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop > the supply of goods, or services. > But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? > > On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll add that it is graduation weekend, so will be interesting to see if the price drops tomorrow. Allan Allan Streib via Mercedes writes: > $2.99 here for 87; $3.59 for 93 as of yesterday. > > Allan > > Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > >> Went to Costco to get gas for the truck and some jugs. noticed a coupla >> stations had reg and dzl for $2.75, Costco was $2.70 for reg. I think >> it might be up a few cents from the other day but no big jump yet. >> >> --FT >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$2.99 here for 87; $3.59 for 93 as of yesterday. Allan Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > Went to Costco to get gas for the truck and some jugs. noticed a coupla > stations had reg and dzl for $2.75, Costco was $2.70 for reg. I think > it might be up a few cents from the other day but no big jump yet. > > --FT > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Went to Costco to get gas for the truck and some jugs. noticed a coupla stations had reg and dzl for $2.75, Costco was $2.70 for reg. I think it might be up a few cents from the other day but no big jump yet. --FT On 5/8/21 11:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Is probably going up. https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ I guess they don't air gap the PLC network. Oops. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As someone involved in the security side of things, I am aware of this incident, which was due to a ransomeware attack. These exploit the ignorance of humans to be successful, which is the weakest part of the whole system. If we relied solely on hardware and software solutions for security we would be far better off. When the human element is factored in, all bets are off. You can’t imagine the stupid, idiotic stuff people do or get coerced to do. I see this stuff all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me. If I get the right person to respond to my efforts, I’m in and ready to wreak havoc. In a case like this, the best thing to do is completely shut down and start methodically bringing things up with trusted/clean hardware and images. It takes time, but I assume this is what the transmission line folks are doing. -D > On May 9, 2021, at 8:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a > particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via computers. > The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of > your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a > computer system that is vulnerable to attack. > To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is now > every industry, not just one. > > Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop > the supply of goods, or services. > But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? > > On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> On 2021-05-08 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> Is probably going up. >>> >>> >> https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ >> >> To quote a guy who owns an oil company: >> >> Depends on how fast they can get it restored. >> >> >> Last time it was down, it was down for 16 days due to a leak caused by a >> contractor working on it. >> >> >> If it’s for a few hours / days. Not a big deal. >> >> >> If it’s for 5-7 days, Time to worry a bit, especially if you’re AO is >> only supplied by the colonial. >> >> >> Looking at you GA / SC / NC / TN / VA. >> >> >> But I really don’t see it being a huge deal. Worse case 2-3 days and >> they should be back up and running. If not faster. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm seeing that industries across the board have built themselves a particular vulnerability by running their entire operations via computers. The number and scope of such attacks have increased, yet, the weakness of your entire operation, delivery of product, and profit is all tied to a computer system that is vulnerable to attack. To my way of thinking, this has evolved into utterly stupid, and it is now every industry, not just one. Someone, somewhere, can remotely turn off your comfortable life, and stop the supply of goods, or services. But... hey... nothing to worry about because everyone is good... right? On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2021-05-08 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > > Is probably going up. > > > > > https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ > > To quote a guy who owns an oil company: > > Depends on how fast they can get it restored. > > > Last time it was down, it was down for 16 days due to a leak caused by a > contractor working on it. > > > If it’s for a few hours / days. Not a big deal. > > > If it’s for 5-7 days, Time to worry a bit, especially if you’re AO is > only supplied by the colonial. > > > Looking at you GA / SC / NC / TN / VA. > > > But I really don’t see it being a huge deal. Worse case 2-3 days and > they should be back up and running. If not faster. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 2021-05-08 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Is probably going up. https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ To quote a guy who owns an oil company: Depends on how fast they can get it restored. Last time it was down, it was down for 16 days due to a leak caused by a contractor working on it. If it’s for a few hours / days. Not a big deal. If it’s for 5-7 days, Time to worry a bit, especially if you’re AO is only supplied by the colonial. Looking at you GA / SC / NC / TN / VA. But I really don’t see it being a huge deal. Worse case 2-3 days and they should be back up and running. If not faster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As it does the start of every summer season ... It was trending down here but now it’s shooting back up again > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It was trending down here but now it’s shooting back up again Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is probably going up. > > https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ > > I guess they don't air gap the PLC network. > > Oops. > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is probably going up. https://dnyuz.com/2021/05/08/cyberattack-forces-a-shutdown-of-a-top-u-s-pipeline-operator/ I guess they don't air gap the PLC network. Oops. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
