Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question
YES! My memory isn't that far gone afterall! Thanks for corroborating what I thought I remembered. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, W140 wrote: > > My "Factory Crated new zero time engine" arrived with a blank spot and I > watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than > all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can > tell which engine is in the car. > Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine > was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number. > Soo, I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the > information on file. > Walt Lasher > 1992 300SD/S350 > Seattle -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In about '54-'55 I "lusted in my heart" for a mint Metropolitan that sat unused in an uncle's home garage; I was driving a '31 Model A Ford five-window coupe then. 'Sure wish I could've kept the Model A 'til now - well, even the Metro, too - and the '51 Chevy, the '56 Chevy, the '64 Karman Ghia, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question So much for 'Numbers Matching' at a Benz Auction. My other car is a 1954 Nash Metropolitan, I have factory documentation on it, comes from British Heritage Museum. We are told that 'Back in the day' , the manufacturers would send out work crews to up date when dealers had too much of last years stock. This usually simply required a new identification tag riveted on and an adjustment of paperwork. There were lots of new Metropolitans sold 3 years after production stopped! -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "W140" To: mercedes @ okiebenz .com Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 9:55:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ MBZ ] Rodbender question My "Factory Crated new zero time engine" arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell which engine is in the car. Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number. Soo , I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the information on file. Walt Lasher 1992 300SD/S350 Seattle _ ___ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http :// thirdpartyoffers . juno .com/TGL2131/c? cp =PU79luaXM8ttw6PnJAcFDwAAJz15J_c9QuupfH9dlSi_D8kdAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ http :// www . okiebenz .com For new and used parts go to www . okiebenz .com To search list archives http :// www . okiebenz .com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http :// okiebenz .com/mailman/ listinfo / mercedes _ okiebenz .com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So much for 'Numbers Matching' at a Benz Auction. My other car is a 1954 Nash Metropolitan, I have factory documentation on it, comes from British Heritage Museum. We are told that 'Back in the day' , the manufacturers would send out work crews to up date when dealers had too much of last years stock. This usually simply required a new identification tag riveted on and an adjustment of paperwork. There were lots of new Metropolitans sold 3 years after production stopped! -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "W140" To: mercedes @ okiebenz .com Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 9:55:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ MBZ ] Rodbender question My "Factory Crated new zero time engine" arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell which engine is in the car. Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number. Soo , I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the information on file. Walt Lasher 1992 300SD/S350 Seattle _ ___ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http :// thirdpartyoffers . juno .com/TGL2131/c? cp =PU79luaXM8ttw6PnJAcFDwAAJz15J_c9QuupfH9dlSi_D8kdAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ http :// www . okiebenz .com For new and used parts go to www . okiebenz .com To search list archives http :// www . okiebenz .com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http :// okiebenz .com/mailman/ listinfo / mercedes _ okiebenz .com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rodbender question
My "Factory Crated new zero time engine" arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell which engine is in the car. Now maybe if the engine was replaced by other than a Dealer and the engine was other than a Factory crated new engine would it have a different number. Soo, I hang on to my paperwork, altho' the Dealer and factory have the information on file. Walt Lasher 1992 300SD/S350 Seattle Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=PU79luaXM8ttw6PnJAcFDwAAJz15J_c9QuupfH9dlSi_D8kdAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich wrote: "Uh-oh, here we go." Don't worry, they sold the car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I bought a factory engine for the '76 300D once - they were "on sale", supposedly one of the last two in the Chicago warehouse. It had a blank spot where the serial number was supposed to be. I heard somewhere that a dealer was supposed to stamp the original engines number there. Can't verify that though --- I was able to use the receipt and tag from that engine to get a decent settlement from the insurance company when the rusted POS was totalled by a drunk driver. (The 115 was parked at the time). On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > I think that a factory rebuild or replacement engine will have a new > serial number, which you can compare to the original vehicle data card. > The EPC data card may or may not have been updated. The dealer may or > may not have records, depending on if a dealer installed the engine. > Bottom line is that the seller should have paperwork to show the > installation, and if he doesn't then assume original engine and price > accordingly. If seller is ignorant then you can try to pursue via > dealer and EPC and maybe the original vehicle data card, if available. > > I've also heard that a replacement engine (not a rebuild) will have a > blank spot with no number. > > -Max -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Bring VIN# to dealer. He can tell you the engine S/N installed at factory. Why would you care? Even the bad ones are good for a few weeks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2667 - Release Date: 02/04/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I go with 'ask the dealer'. Serial numbers not matching does not mean the current engine in the car escapes rodbender status. It could have come from a salvage vehicle, or worse yet, have been rebuilt by incompetents. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just ask Kaleb. He has had most of them in his back yard for a while. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question
I think that a factory rebuild or replacement engine will have a new serial number, which you can compare to the original vehicle data card. The EPC data card may or may not have been updated. The dealer may or may not have records, depending on if a dealer installed the engine. Bottom line is that the seller should have paperwork to show the installation, and if he doesn't then assume original engine and price accordingly. If seller is ignorant then you can try to pursue via dealer and EPC and maybe the original vehicle data card, if available. I've also heard that a replacement engine (not a rebuild) will have a blank spot with no number. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dealer receipt for replacement engine in THAT car? MB records by VIN? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" To: "Mercedes" Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Uh-oh, here we go. --R Donald Snook wrote: Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Take the VIN at the dealer to pull a service history? Supposedly the "good" engines are factory rebuilds, I'd assume most of these were installed by dealerships. Allan On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:00 -0600, "Donald Snook" wrote: > Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is > there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it > has been done? > > Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm > (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question
Bring VIN# to dealer. He can tell you the engine S/N installed at factory. Why would you care? Even the bad ones are good for a few weeks -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" To: "Mercedes" Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:00:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rodbender question
Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those test will indicate that there is a problem but not the exact nature of it. Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: > Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Stuck rings? Any carbon in the oil pan? Jim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. > Striplin, work > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:38 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a > test? I probably have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too > much oil, but does not smoke at all. Maybe its going somewhere else. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > > > > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: > >> > >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > > > It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods > > have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind > > the car indicates much the same thing) > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I seem to remember something about NOT sleeving the 350, but the 300 is sleeved at the factory. New sleeves, rods, pistons, and bearings were $5000 six or so years ago when I thought I might need to rebuild my 603. More now. Engine can be rebuilt, but it will likely cost more than a new one, those piston sets are EXPENSIVE, and so are the new rods (you can't get single replacements for the old ones, the only available rods --the good ones -- are 50 gr or so heavier and you must do all six.) Factory long block is around $7000. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Check the turbo seals -- lots of oil in the intake with no significant blowby means the bearings in the turbo are shot, allowing the shaft to eat the seals. Lotta oil up the intake, usually, followed by serious oil smoke out the back on acceleration. Usually accompanied by a "lazy" turbo because it doesn't rotate a low load. Pull the intake hose and spin the turbo by hand (engine off, please!). Any axial play (a bit of side to side is OK, audible clunk is not) or stiffeness in rotation is a bad turbo. Should spin easily with finger pressure and continue for a bit when you let go, although diesel turbos are stiffer than gasser ones for some reason. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bent rods cause a horrible clank from a loose cylinder (the piston gets "sideways" in the bore and wears it oval) accompanied by serious blowby and oil consumption. It won't take a compression test to find it unless the rod happened to bend exactly in plane with the crank and wrist pins. That gives low compression in one cylinder only, and the piston will be low in the engine if you remove the head and rotate the crankshaft. Fairly unlikely, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Local dealer quoted me $140 for a rod, then charged me $190 when I went to pick it up. I replaced 3 lifters and a few bolts and got to buy lots of new tools that I'll never use again. Overall it was a good experience. Cylinders were okay. But I know it is a ticking time bomb because there was no way to grind off enough metal to match the weight of the other rods. Probably should have replaced all of them - but there are about 20 other things that should have been replaced as well which would have cost $1000's more. When it finally dies I will put in a new engine. -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing > it? For example, if the rods are bent > and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that > appears to be alright is it wise to > fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless? > > Randy > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the cylinders and pistons are good, you can fix it for something like $250 a rod (x6) plus gaskets, rings, etc. I'd budget $2000-2500 if I were doing all the labor myself. AFAIK, only MBZ seems to be able to redo the block so that the engine will last hundreds of kilomiles after the rebuild. Not sure what a reman engine costs in today's worthless greenbacks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing it? For example, if the rods are bent and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that appears to be alright is it wise to fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yea maybe. Well if and when I have bent rods, I am either going to see if the rodbender military version engine I have in my garage is good, if not, Im going to go the 606 route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote: >> >> So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? > > If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. > Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend? > Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure > the length of the protruding valve stem? > Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a > borescope? > If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged > the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods > were OK. > > Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the > rods? > Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a > close-up of the surface? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have never seen that on a rod bender, but have on the 601 and 602 engines. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak > down test results, so I did not bother. > > You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes > above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump > makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing > chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't. > The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in > front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a > common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced > that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-). > > -Dave Walton > > > On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote: > > So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend? Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure the length of the protruding valve stem? Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a borescope? If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods were OK. Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the rods? Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a close-up of the surface? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak down test results, so I did not bother. You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't. The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-). -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? I probably have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too much oil, but does not smoke at all. Maybe its going somewhere else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: >> >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods > have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind > the car indicates much the same thing) > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
"Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: > > Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind the car indicates much the same thing) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rodbender question
Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
