Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread G Mann
Very good point to be made. The materials necessary to process WVO into Biodiesel immediately make your garage a HAZMAT site and make you subject to all EPA and Air Quality ordinances. Methanol is a VOC, Level 1, Caustic Soda is deadly and requires special handling [lye, common name] So it also

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Just don't talk about it on your cell phone or the webbernets. BigSis is watching. --R On 6/9/13 11:15 AM, G Mann wrote: Very good point to be made. The materials necessary to process WVO into Biodiesel immediately make your garage a HAZMAT site and make you subject to all EPA and Air

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Canfield
Biggest risk I see is equipment failure causing fire. I am willing to admit that I am not scientist enough to make biodiesel of a consistant quality. Fitering wvo is the lazier way I think. Mike On Jun 8, 2013 11:45 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BULL FECES! It's only not safe

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-09 Thread Gerry Archer
Here is one view of biodiesel processing on the 'net: .the biodiesel industry and the technology have evolved. With the professionally engineered biodiesel systems available today, the process is simpler, safer, takes less time and yields more consistent results. So I decided to try one of

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread ernest breakfield
that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers. it's a good thing you

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
ernest breakfield wrote: that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the problems with using xVO as fuel, but certainly not all of them. seems pretty typical of the incomplete information and unrelated conclusions i've seen from some WVO system vendor/manufacturers.

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread Mike Esh
Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I would do my attached garage. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: that chart (if it's even accurate) seems to pretty well show one of the

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread Mike Esh
The car is in the shop. It should ready on Monday or Tuesday. Hoping for the best. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Benz Hogs wrote: Virgin VO (VVO) has to be heated to 260F or higher to approach the viscosity of diesel. See

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread Dieselhead
Only the methanol is dangerous. Distill your own ethanol and the danger goes away. You can pick up fruit and veggies to ferment from the same restaurants. Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I would do my attached garage. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-08 Thread Benz Hogs
BULL FECES! It's only not safe if you're ignorant or don't respect methanol and lye as the chemicals they are. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (16,xxx mi) On 6/8/2013 7:43 PM, Mike Esh wrote: Processing oil into biodiesel is much more dangerous and not something I would do

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-07 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Michael Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes. And how do you get the oil that you use? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-07 Thread Smith, Todd
...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Esh Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot. http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-07 Thread Benz Hogs
Virgin VO (VVO) has to be heated to 260F or higher to approach the viscosity of diesel. See the bell curve chart here: http://bunkum.us/svo/viscosity.html Biodiesel is the ONLY way to go. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi) On 5/29/2013 8:34 AM, Smith, Todd wrote:

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-07 Thread Benz Hogs
Their chart is not matched anywhere else in the industry. It's all marketing hype. Use Google to find the industry research that proves Frybrid wrong. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi) On 6/6/2013 9:00 PM, Michael Esh wrote: http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm I

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Benz Hogs wrote: Virgin VO (VVO) has to be heated to 260F or higher to approach the viscosity of diesel. See the bell curve chart here: http://bunkum.us/svo/viscosity.html Biodiesel is the ONLY way to go. The graph Mike Esh linked earlier seemed to say that SVO (of unnamed variety) at 160°

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-06-06 Thread Michael Esh
http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel viscosity. Frybrid is the company from which I purchased my WVO system. The only item I have replaced is the temperature sensor that sends the signal to the controller that initiates

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-30 Thread Mike Esh
Mitch, I am interested in the injection pump. My mechanic would like it to be as close to my existing pump as possible. How do I determine what pump I have on my car and what pump you have. I cannot see number on the pump I have. Would the VIN or Number Plate located under the hood near the

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On May 29, 2013 8:54 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Rather economically feasible with an old Benz. Whole cars with working pumps are usually under a grand around here. Doesn't take long to add up $1000 worth of fuel @ four bucks a gallon. You are making the

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Mike Esh wrote: Mitch, I am interested in the injection pump. My mechanic would like it to be as close to my existing pump as possible. How do I determine what pump I have on my car and what pump you have. I cannot see number on the pump I have. Would the VIN or Number Plate located under the

[MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-29 Thread Smith, Todd
I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel makes more sense in my situation. All of the reading and listening to SVO advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-29 Thread G Mann
I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease the useful service life of the IP. I am active on another diesel only

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-29 Thread Smith, Todd
...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:24 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot. I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the IP. While our natural tendency is to look

Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

2013-05-29 Thread Michael Canfield
Rather economically feasible with an old Benz. Whole cars with working pumps are usually under a grand around here. Doesn't take long to add up $1000 worth of fuel @ four bucks a gallon. Mike On May 29, 2013 11:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical