Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol_poisoning That is a real shame, someone should call DFCS on general principal. Please tell me you dont really ride a motorcycle by redlining it and then slowling releasing the clutch? Steering bolt is correct. Also the shifter can be rebuild along with bushings to make it nicer. Why in gods name would anyone put those tires on? On 08/23/2011 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Jim Catheyj...@windwireless.net wrote: Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). The heater valve should be on the engine side of the firewall. Leaks somewhat unlikely to propagate into the cabin. What is it with people who don't fix cars with that kind of leak, anyway? The smell of hot coolant makes me sick to my stomach in seconds. This is an actual exchange between me and the seller of a car I test-drove not too long ago: ME: Wow, that coolant smell sure is strong. OWNER: Oh, is that what that is? Smells like maple syrup to me. ME: Did you recently change out the heater core and some of it spilled, or something like that? OWNER: Nah, it's always smelled like that. My kids love it. They say, Daddy, can we ride in the car that smells like pancakes? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Probably a moot point if you ran away: The steering slop at 20-30 years can be in the coupling between the steering gear and the steering shaft. It has rubber reinforced with cord to take up the shock. The rubber disintegrates. Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
And when those give away its quite unnerving! -Rolf On 08/24/2011 08:39 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Probably a moot point if you ran away: The steering slop at 20-30 years can be in the coupling between the steering gear and the steering shaft. It has rubber reinforced with cord to take up the shock. The rubber disintegrates. Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Please tell me you dont really ride a motorcycle by redlining it and then slowling releasing the clutch? Of course not---I was referring to the general idea that it's OK to slip a wet clutch when needed whereas, as Philip said, one ought to slip a dry one as little as possible. I was taught to pull away from a stop on a bike by revving up about 1/3 to 1/2 into the rev range, then gradually releasing the clutch and modulating the throttle as you gain speed, in order to avoid the sudden throttle application at low speeds that often will make a cold carbureted engine stumble or even die. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Unless this car is free and has no rust, run away! Jaime On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Unless this car is free and has no rust, run away! I did, don't worry! :) It appeared rust-free (not unheard of for a PNW car, even a 30-year-old one), but the seller was asking $2300... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Ask curt- some of this sounds like the clutch issues on the 78 240D he bought from me. My 79 240D had wonky blower motor but easy R R. Never had heat control issues except for cable from knob to control box. Simple mechanical fix. YMMV Dwight- missing the 240D simplicity but enjoying the OM 617 602 turbos. (One with flaky ACC). Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22:39 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:32 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote: Never had heat control issues except for cable from knob to control box. Simple mechanical fix. YMMV Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Yes- coolant smell $2300 spell RUN. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:44:52 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:32 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote: Never had heat control issues except for cable from knob to control box. Simple mechanical fix. YMMV Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). The heater valve should be on the engine side of the firewall. Leaks somewhat unlikely to propagate into the cabin. Run, do not walk. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? Could be any number of things, including that. Probably bad tie rods and the like. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Probably the plastic bushing is shot. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Weird, my 200D (115) feels just the opposite. way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Just the opposite of what I do. I give it fuel, and then drop the clutch fairly rapidly so that by the time I'm off it the car is moving at just above idle speed. Then punch it. My wife's clutch technique is more like what he described, and makes me cringe. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I give it fuel, and then drop the clutch fairly rapidly so that by the time I'm off it the car is moving at just above idle speed. Then punch it. Exactly how I was taught, on modestly powered small Japanese cars in the mid-'80s. Kids these days (if they even learn how to drive stick) don't learn that skill; nor, I've noticed, do they learn when to downshift: they're used to cars with so much available power across the rev range that you can just lug the engine as you decelerate and then take off again (say, when approaching a stop light which turns green just before you get there) in the same gear. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!) This is the size that's on my recently acquired 300SD I take it these are not the right tires... Too bad because they look almost brand new... :-( Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: 205/70R14s on the stock wheels This is the size that's on my recently acquired 300SD I take it these are not the right tires... Too bad because they look almost brand new... :-( Dunno, might be right for a 116. Jaime ought to know what was stock, although it'll be one of the old-style size codes with a fixed aspect ratio (P185R14 or some such). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Allan Streib wrote: This is the size that's on my recently acquired 300SD I take it these are not the right tires... Too bad because they look almost brand new... :-( IIRC, the 'right' tires on my '79 SD were either 185R14 or 195R14. Tires were much taller back then.I believe the original aspect ratio was 83. 185/83R14 would be about 26.1 diameter. 205/70R14 would be 25.3, you're still looking at 3% odometer error. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:32 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote: Never had heat control issues except for cable from knob to control box. Simple mechanical fix. YMMV Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). The control valves are on the firewall, right next to the heater core pipes. A solid wire in a sheath cable connects from the valve to the knob. So utterly simple I would be very worried about the rest of the car if that was left un-fixed. The heater cores are _way_ down in under the dash. The center console and the whole dash have to come out. However, it's _much_ more likely that there is a hose-to-pipe leak at the firewall and the coolant is running into the car that way. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
The shifter is needing bushings, when I first got my '85 190D I couldn't get it into reverse reliably because of them. A couple times I had to push the car out of parking spaces... The clutch issue is EXACTLY like my '78 240D. The later clutch rod is the only one available and is the wrong length. I didn't know that and threw the old one away accidentally. I'm going to try to modify a newer one to work as I haven't had any luck getting a correct one and the short travel aggravates me. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22:39 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures Message-ID: CABHyH=YKG0tvn_279yg=eu8ahnar5a2dsjalr8kkjbdh-nh...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Went to see a '78 240D 4-speed (W123) advertised on CL. Pretty good cosmetic shape but some weird things compared to other 123s I've driven. Steering was extremely loose, is this the infamous left-hand-threaded steering box bolt that needs to be tightened? The seats were an odd vinyl-cloth mix, sides Tex as usual, but the fabric in the center was not the usual Euro scratchy tweed but a smooth satiny material with a sort of herringbone pattern. The clutch and master cylinder were new, according to the seller, and the clutch seemed to have about half an inch of engagement range, right at the top of the pedal travel. The shifter had none of that notchy feel that I associate with German cars, but was really loose and sloppy---the proverbial broomstick in a barrel of rocks. Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!), and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Climate control was wonky, too, despite being the famously reliable manual 240D system! The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't (later found out the belt was gone), there was a strong smell of coolant at all times, and the temperature sliders didn't do anything---there was full heat all the time. Seller thought that was normal. You control the heat with these! (indicating the twist open/shut feature of the side dash vents). (Never mind that there was hot air coming out the foot vents regardless.) All in all rather disappointing. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Combined with the feeling of barely adequate torque and no power, it was more than a little like driving a VW microbus. My '78 pump was not right. I put the pump from an 81 in and it made a very big improvement. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels That will make it accelerate slower! and he said that although he was afraid to try it everyone says you should burn the clutch when starting out on a 240D... by which he meant that on every takeoff you should floor the accelerator, then at redline gradually let out the clutch to accelerate, slipping it all the way like a motorcycle. Eeek!! Slip is bad. Use as little as possible, and only as much as absolutely necessary. The blower fan barely worked, A/C didn't. Heh. The '78 has the old, big York compressor. That's my only one that still hold pressure. I would add it as a parts car - but only it it was $400. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Seller had some weird ideas he'd picked up from the 240D nuts online. For example, the car was riding on 205/70R14s on the stock wheels (for better ground clearance---it's two inches higher this way!) This is the size that's on my recently acquired 300SD I take it these are not the right tires... Too bad because they look almost brand new... :-( They fit fine, but it's noticeably taller than original. On a low power 240 it will make it even slower. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: They fit fine, but it's noticeably taller than original. On a low power 240 it will make it even slower. What's the rolling diameter of the original on a 240d? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: Fmiser wrote: They fit fine, but it's noticeably taller than original. On a low power 240 it will make it even slower. What's the rolling diameter of the original on a 240d? I just did a search. Looks like 175SR14, which would have about the same diameter as a 207/70R14. What's wrong with 205/70R14 again? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
V8 cars got 205s... the diesel W116 has 195/70 14 Jaime On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: 205/70R14s on the stock wheels This is the size that's on my recently acquired 300SD I take it these are not the right tires... Too bad because they look almost brand new... :-( Dunno, might be right for a 116. Jaime ought to know what was stock, although it'll be one of the old-style size codes with a fixed aspect ratio (P185R14 or some such). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Mitch Haley wrote: Fmiser wrote: They fit fine, but it's noticeably taller than original. On a low power 240 it will make it even slower. What's the rolling diameter of the original on a 240d? *walks out to the '78 to check* 175SR14 is the recommended size. That is has aspect ratio of 82, according to this site: http://www.barrystiretech.com/tiresizing.html Therefore it's unloaded circumference is 2018.79 mm. Compared to a 205/70R14 which has an unloaded circumference of 2018.79 mm. Hah! So much for what I though I knew!! Exactly the same! Now, that's not a rolling circumference, but that can vary from tire to tire. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Curt wrote: I'm going to try to modify a newer one to work as I haven't had any luck getting a correct one and the short travel aggravates me. You might check with the Classic Center for part number and purchase from the dealer? I did that after the dealer got me the wrong one, plus mine is a euro '84. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Yeah, but combined with the strong hot-coolant smell? I figured defective heat control valve at best, leaky heater core at worst. (Wherever either of those are on a W123 240D). The heater valve should be on the engine side of the firewall. Leaks somewhat unlikely to propagate into the cabin. What is it with people who don't fix cars with that kind of leak, anyway? The smell of hot coolant makes me sick to my stomach in seconds. This is an actual exchange between me and the seller of a car I test-drove not too long ago: ME: Wow, that coolant smell sure is strong. OWNER: Oh, is that what that is? Smells like maple syrup to me. ME: Did you recently change out the heater core and some of it spilled, or something like that? OWNER: Nah, it's always smelled like that. My kids love it. They say, Daddy, can we ride in the car that smells like pancakes? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stick 240D adventures
Mitch Haley wrote: What's the rolling diameter of the original on a 240d? Fmiser wrote: *walks out to the '78 to check* 175SR14 is the recommended size. Here's a nice tire calculator. It even includes some xxxSR14 tires. But not a 175... http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
