Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
If I did we would circle one another, sniffing all the while. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive outside the beltway for at least 500 miles in any direction and you r MPG will improve, and your head will (start to) clear of the beltway mush. You might accidentally meet a few real 'Mercuns to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
LOL Good one! If I did we would circle one another, sniffing all the while. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive outside the beltway for at least 500 miles in any direction and you r MPG will improve, and your head will (start to) clear of the beltway mush. You might accidentally meet a few real 'Mercuns to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
Andrew, I am guessing your car does a whole lot of idling in traffic. 20 sounds about right when it rarely gets up to cruising speed for long periods. I get about 20 in the winter. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
On 06/12/2012 11:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ Hey, Andrew Bring it to Winnipeg - or I might even be willing to fly down and get it. I think, if you let me drive it for a year or two, my records of fuel economy will be better than yours. I pretty much guarantee I can improve the mileage by about 20%. Of course, I should warn you that I am accustomed to calculating in Imperial Gallons since that was what I was used to before we got changed over to the metric mess. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
I have often thought that these claims are inflated, as I have owned both normally aspirated and turbocharged 123 chassis cars, and never seen the mid 20s during normal driving. During highway miles, certainly, but around town I rarely got better than the high teens or low 20s. I also kept (keep) meticulous records on my cars, so I feel pretty confident about my findings. Dan On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My '77 300D is small, compared to your wagon. I get 21-23 in town, trips generally start cold and go 5-7 miles, tops. I don't think you are way out of line. I get mid 20s if I drive on the interstate for a tank, but I never do that since the van is much more comfortable. Standard economy driving - slow starts, slow stops, over-inflated tires - will help your mileage, but not necessarily the car's longevity. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I also kept (keep) meticulous records on my cars, so I feel pretty confident about my findings. Speaking of, I am using My Cars on Android to track mileage/repairs/car information. It does a good job and is free, but I would love something that was location-aware and would maintain a list of repairs to do and so on. Any suggestions for other apps to consider? Thanks, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
On 06/12/2012 12:03 PM, Tim C wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My '77 300D is small, compared to your wagon. I get 21-23 in town, trips generally start cold and go 5-7 miles, tops. I don't think you are way out of line. I get mid 20s if I drive on the interstate for a tank, but I never do that since the van is much more comfortable. Standard economy driving - slow starts, slow stops, over-inflated tires - will help your mileage, but not necessarily the car's longevity. Best, Tim ___ I keep records too. My 76 115 300D has done a low of 16.5 and a high of 26.6 - in US gallons. The average over several summers is 21.02. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike On Dec 6, 2012 1:06 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I also kept (keep) meticulous records on my cars, so I feel pretty confident about my findings. Speaking of, I am using My Cars on Android to track mileage/repairs/car information. It does a good job and is free, but I would love something that was location-aware and would maintain a list of repairs to do and so on. Any suggestions for other apps to consider? Thanks, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
Take it out on the highway for a couple hour blast, drive to NYC and back maybe. See what your economy is after that run, could be more mixed mostly city is in reality almost exclusively city, short hops, engine never gets hot in which case your economy is entirely to be expected. I wouldn't expect a wagon to go a lot over 25mpg even on the highway... Been driving my 240D while the '84 190D is down, still getting exactly 28mpg day after day. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:25:30 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon Message-ID: CAC35L=u=t7yx7sw+f3exh2tgu1fpd-7twnv8wb_w-uhdrff...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
Well you already know that I suck at diagnosing fuel issues on these cars but I'll gladly borrow your car if you need it exercised on long DC to Maine jaunts. Maybe that's what it needs- a few 600 mile highway trips averaging 80mpg to blow out any carbon deposits. You don't mind road salt do you:)) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I hate it when people complain that their 300D fuel economy is only in the mid 20s mpg. My daily driver 1983 300TD with a 1985 transmission gets exactly 20 mpg for mixed, mostly in-town driving. This dips to under 19 mpg in the winter. :(( There are no fuel leaks whatsoever. The car starts and runs with great power. Tires are 205 X 70 X 14s, average tread and inflation pressure. I might even consider loaning out the car to someone with the ability to diagnose the problem and do whatever it takes to improve fuel economy by at least 20 percent. Any takers? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
Ain't that the truth! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike On Dec 6, 2012 1:06 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I also kept (keep) meticulous records on my cars, so I feel pretty confident about my findings. Speaking of, I am using My Cars on Android to track mileage/repairs/car information. It does a good job and is free, but I would love something that was location-aware and would maintain a list of repairs to do and so on. Any suggestions for other apps to consider? Thanks, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodiesel wagon
On Dec 6, 2012, at 13:09, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I always get bad mpg anywhere near DC. Any of the *95 routes around there are a huge parking lot blocked by a wreck every time I go that way. Drive outside the beltway, your mpg will improve. Lol Mike Drive outside the beltway for at least 500 miles in any direction and you r MPG will improve, and your head will (start to) clear of the beltway mush. You might accidentally meet a few real 'Mercuns to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
