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I finally had to give up my Palm Treo a year or two ago because the battery wouldn't stay seated for some reason and it kept turning itself off and on. It seemed pretty much indestructible other than that, and it is still sitting here on my desk plugged in so I can do stuff with it occasionally. While I like my new ifone there was nothing particularly compelling about getting it, other than I needed a replacement and had not got a new phone in about 20 years (hand-me-downs from my phone-upgrade-addicted wife). I found some cool little spreadsheet app for the Treo that I used for some woodworking calculations I created, I think I got one on the ifon but don't recall using it yet. I guess the texting and pics on the new ifon are nice, I use that a lot but it has not been life-changing. --R On 1/15/15 10:48 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote: Funny that no one remembers Palm, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Can you imagine a world without smartphones? > The only thing I liked about working at Broadcom (that wasn't a paycheck) was that I could always walk around outside and think, "my company has literally changed the world." > 7 years and a few days ago, Steve Jobs introduced the iphone. Before that > there were cell phones, and a few PDAs that never really caught on. (I > have a TRG Pro i bought for my daughter to use as an exchange student if > anyone wants a museum piece.) > Hah! Funny that no one remembers Palm, Windows Mobile, Blackberry... All of which I owned before iPhone "created" the smartphone market. All of which copied and pasted before iPhone, for that matter. The biggest problem for older smartphones, in my view, is that they were crazy expensive - $600+ on contract - and you had to buy the expensive Blackberry add-on if you went that route. I got lucky, my cheapish WM phone with no touchscreen got knackered and Sprint replaced it with a Treo 755P. PalmOS had an amazing aftermarket web browser (Xiino?) that was roughly on par with Android's old Browser app. It also had things like VOIP calling, great task and business apps, mobile e-mail, and a real keyboard. The WM phones were even better equipped and had multi-tasking, but had a tendency to crash once a day or so. You also had to do a lot of application management, the carriers were doing bloatware even then. WM did not have a nice interface for application management, so you had to do all kinds of things to add and remove programs. Palm was better, but the OS was single-tasking so it was hard to do real work. For the first few years, the WM folks called the iPhone a "dumbphone" because so much functionality was 'coming in future releases.' Looking back, the thing iPhone really brought to the table was the concept of a built-in application store. If you weren't willing to hunt around for WM or Palm applications, you'd never know they existed, and if someone wanted to charge you'd have to go to their site, buy their thing, and they'd have to hope you didn't redistribute it - or, they'd have some kind of key and phone home when you sync'd. Lots of trust involved there. With the app store, it was easy to find and add missing functionality to the device, which in 2007 was a lot. I'm still not sure why it took Apple so long to accept modifications of core functionality like the keyboard. IMO Apple missed the boat on "mobile computing", since the iPhone required a computer sync for so many years. I was basically all mobile once I started to really use my Treo, and henceforth. When my wife got her iPad 2 she was really excited until she found out she had to plug it in before she could do anything with it. She put it aside and never asked about it, a month or two later I did it for her. A friend of mine predicted almost 15 years ago that the next great leap in input devices will be thought control. I told him he was nuts, but given how Swiftkey has progressed I think he may turn out to be right. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Now I am one of the trogs that insists on using a (once again trendy) flip phone. I did break down and accept a used iphone 4 for christmas. I intend to use it as an ipod touch and for things like the automotive apps. The voice quality is so much better on a "dumb" phone made by motorola. I keep wanting something sleek and thin, keep going back to the V860 Barrage. As for Android, iPhone, etc, they make nice toys, but there's no way I'd use a mini supercomputer full of spyware as a phone. Always fun browsing the app store: "in order to install Netflix, you need to give permission to Netflix to know where you are, when you're on a phone call and the number of the phone you're talking to, plus your left testicle and your first born child..." Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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> > OKDon wrote: > > > > I thought there was some video editing capability on the Amiga > > before the Toaster came along. Amiga was indeed the best > > platform of it's day - I wish they had made it > Curt wrote: > > There might have been, IIRC the 3000 had a composite port. It > would have been low res postage stamp stuff without the extra > hardware though. Yes, it had a composite output. So did many of the other computers of that era. The resolution was fine. The problem with trying to use the composite output in video work is the lack of synchronization. The video frames created by the computer had to line up to the video frames coming from the source (usually tape, but could be a camera). And not just the start of each frame, or even the beginning of each line. The color burst (a 3.58 MHz color reference at the beginning of every video line) _has_ to be in sync too. The process of forcing any image generating equipment to match a reference is called "genlock", presumably for "generator lock". So for the Amiga - or any computer - to be useful for video CG or keying it has to be genlocked. None of the computers provided a way to do this. A genlock board would. These were available for platforms other than Amiga - but Amiga was the most capable for the least amount of money. That said, in the late '80s or so when they were popular, a good CG made better looking text than even the best of the genlock boards - but those CG machines were more expensive, had a much shorter list of available fonts, and could only do text. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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> OK wrote: > > I thought there was some video editing capability on the Amiga > before the Toaster came along. There were a number of "gen-lock" boards that would allow the computer graphics to replace, overlay, or key over video passing through. That's isn't video editing. I knew it as CG (character generating). But without CG, a tape-to-tape copy - or edit - could only be a cut and could only be a copy of what was on the source tape. Nothing but precisely (relative term, with some equipment) timed copying. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There might have been, IIRC the 3000 had a composite port. It would have been low res postage stamp stuff without the extra hardware though. -Curt From: OK Don via Mercedes To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question I thought there was some video editing capability on the Amiga before the Toaster came along. Amiga was indeed the best platform of it's day - I wish they had made it - - On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yep it was toaster. semantics. it was called video editing in the day in > the common vernacular. Taping together film was not nonlinear editing > either, but it was still called film editing. > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
I thought there was some video editing capability on the Amiga before the Toaster came along. Amiga was indeed the best platform of it's day - I wish they had made it - - On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Yep it was toaster. semantics. it was called video editing in the day in > the common vernacular. Taping together film was not nonlinear editing > either, but it was still called film editing. > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Philip sez: Have you ever tried to add a word to the beginning of a type written page? I may gripe about some of the consequences of our technology - but I also _really_ enjoy some of the benefits!! Can you imagine a world without smartphones? 7 years and a few days ago, Steve Jobs introduced the iphone. Before that there were cell phones, and a few PDAs that never really caught on. (I have a TRG Pro i bought for my daughter to use as an exchange student if anyone wants a museum piece.) Now I am one of the trogs that insists on using a (once again trendy) flip phone. I did break down and accept a used iphone 4 for christmas. I intend to use it as an ipod touch and for things like the automotive apps. The voice quality is so much better on a "dumb" phone made by motorola. Steve Jobs truly changed the world twice. First by building and popularizing the personal computer; second by inventing and popularizing the smart phone using the scarcity model that Doyle Dane Birnbach used so successfully for VW in the 60s. Can you imagine a world without smartphones now? What is the largest component of a smartphone? What do people continually want larger on their smartphone? The HMI again is the bugaboo. The HMI is the greatest opportunity for revolutionary ways to change the world with technology. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I prefer a Blender. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > For video editing you're talking about Toaster, > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I remember the last time I linear edited, its SEARED into my mind. 2001, I'd shot a day long sales conference and they wanted ALL 6 HOURS of it on VHS with their rotten Power Point slides edited in. I didn't have enough storage (hey I had 32GB which was big time back then) for all 6 hours so I had to put the PP slides (all three billion of them) onto the editor (Panasonic Postbox, a hateful machine) and output that to tape, then linear edit to cut that over the speaker. Of course first I had to watch the whole thing and figure out how much of each slid went where. It took me a full week... I wanted to kill myself. Then I had 1000 copies mailed. Then I got laid-off, the 1000 copies got thrown away. -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question > Curt wrote: > > In reel to reel video editing you were forced to start at the > beginning and edit to the end. The only way you could change > something in the middle was to overwrite, there was no ability to > cut and splice. Not entirely true. That's true with 1 inch "type C" - but with the early 2 inch "quad" splicing was indeed done with a blade and tape. And metallic dust to figure out where the invisible tracks were so a splice could be made between them. But 2 inch quad is a _beast_ and it was the last I know of that could be mechanically edited. Moving from linear tape-to-tape editing to non-linear editing is like moving from a mechanical typewriter to a word processor. Have you ever tried to add a word to the beginning of a type written page? I may gripe about some of the consequences of our technology - but I also _really_ enjoy some of the benefits!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
> Curt wrote: > > In reel to reel video editing you were forced to start at the > beginning and edit to the end. The only way you could change > something in the middle was to overwrite, there was no ability to > cut and splice. Not entirely true. That's true with 1 inch "type C" - but with the early 2 inch "quad" splicing was indeed done with a blade and tape. And metallic dust to figure out where the invisible tracks were so a splice could be made between them. But 2 inch quad is a _beast_ and it was the last I know of that could be mechanically edited. Moving from linear tape-to-tape editing to non-linear editing is like moving from a mechanical typewriter to a word processor. Have you ever tried to add a word to the beginning of a type written page? I may gripe about some of the consequences of our technology - but I also _really_ enjoy some of the benefits!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Actually taping film together is the ORIGINAL non-linear editing. In reel to reel video editing you were forced to start at the beginning and edit to the end. The only way you could change something in the middle was to overwrite, there was no ability to cut and splice. With film you could add to the middle, way easier than video. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question >For video editing you're talking about Toaster, the Amiga was the >platform for the Toaster hardware and software. >Toaster wasn't actually an editor at all, it was a switcher that >could do effects, you had 2 or 3 tape decks that all ran to the >Toaster and you switched between them. With 3 decks you could do AB >roll which allowed for dissolves between video clips instead of just >a dissolve to color and back to video. I used a Toaster some in >college and another when I first got out. It was great in its day >but by the time I was in school non-linear was already on the scene >and was clearly the future. >Tape decks are basically a thing of the past today but NewTek (the >maker of the Video Toaster) is still on the scene making equipment >for live switching. >-Curt > Yep it was toaster. semantics. it was called video editing in the day in the common vernacular. Taping together film was not nonlinear editing either, but it was still called film editing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Red Green? Did you mean Home Improvement? I guess Red Green used some but Home Improvement was basically the sales reel for New Tek, they used ALL of them, the slime from the top of the screen, baseball player, football player... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Jim Cathey ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question >The amusing thing to me was when the Toaster was the 'big thing' >and there was all this whining about "but I want Toaster for the >PC, I don't want to get an Amiga", and Toaster was finally available >for the PC. If you looked inside, you found an Amiga blade! The >'problem' was that the Toaster intimately depended upon the video >switching that was embedded within the Amiga's custom video chips. >You _couldn't_ do it on the PC, not without equivalent hardware. >The easiest way was to use the proven Amiga chips... > >Something that irritates me is that on broadcast TV channels >that have scrolling ticker-tape bars wrapped around video feeds, >is that the ticker-tape is very choppy, based upon what is being >displayed in the video window. For awhile Amigas were doing all >this kind of broadcast presentation, and the ticker-tape stuff >was dead smooth at all times. > >-- Jim I always thought of Red Green as a tour de force for transitions made on the A3000/A4000/toaster platform. Curly (exploding away to the next scene) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The amusing thing to me was when the Toaster was the 'big thing' and there was all this whining about "but I want Toaster for the PC, I don't want to get an Amiga", and Toaster was finally available for the PC. If you looked inside, you found an Amiga blade! The 'problem' was that the Toaster intimately depended upon the video switching that was embedded within the Amiga's custom video chips. You _couldn't_ do it on the PC, not without equivalent hardware. The easiest way was to use the proven Amiga chips... Something that irritates me is that on broadcast TV channels that have scrolling ticker-tape bars wrapped around video feeds, is that the ticker-tape is very choppy, based upon what is being displayed in the video window. For awhile Amigas were doing all this kind of broadcast presentation, and the ticker-tape stuff was dead smooth at all times. -- Jim Not being a computer engineer, the design of the Amiga, with different chips for specific processes seemed like an early version of parallel computing. Where other machines did most of this on the main processor, Amiga split the tasks to free up the main processor for the actual task computations. The ms-dos world only split off the video display processing. The current definition of parallel computing (i think) is splitting the main processor tasks over more than one identical processors. In over my head already ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
The amusing thing to me was when the Toaster was the 'big thing' and there was all this whining about "but I want Toaster for the PC, I don't want to get an Amiga", and Toaster was finally available for the PC. If you looked inside, you found an Amiga blade! The 'problem' was that the Toaster intimately depended upon the video switching that was embedded within the Amiga's custom video chips. You _couldn't_ do it on the PC, not without equivalent hardware. The easiest way was to use the proven Amiga chips... Something that irritates me is that on broadcast TV channels that have scrolling ticker-tape bars wrapped around video feeds, is that the ticker-tape is very choppy, based upon what is being displayed in the video window. For awhile Amigas were doing all this kind of broadcast presentation, and the ticker-tape stuff was dead smooth at all times. -- Jim I always thought of Red Green as a tour de force for transitions made on the A3000/A4000/toaster platform. Curly (exploding away to the next scene) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
For video editing you're talking about Toaster, the Amiga was the platform for the Toaster hardware and software. Toaster wasn't actually an editor at all, it was a switcher that could do effects, you had 2 or 3 tape decks that all ran to the Toaster and you switched between them. With 3 decks you could do AB roll which allowed for dissolves between video clips instead of just a dissolve to color and back to video. I used a Toaster some in college and another when I first got out. It was great in its day but by the time I was in school non-linear was already on the scene and was clearly the future. Tape decks are basically a thing of the past today but NewTek (the maker of the Video Toaster) is still on the scene making equipment for live switching. -Curt Yep it was toaster. semantics. it was called video editing in the day in the common vernacular. Taping together film was not nonlinear editing either, but it was still called film editing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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A big problem on TV today is the very low data rate that the cable and satellite companies broadcast at. Most HD stuff is sent out at 6Mb/s which is the same as DVD quality but at 3x the frame size. Something has to give and that ticker ties up a lot of bandwidth. So you tell the compressor the ticker is there and since most people won't even notice it being jerky you tell the compressor to cheat that zone of the picture.You can see that when they switch away from something that had a ticker and the bottom of the screen gets all blurry... -Curt From: Jim Cathey To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question The amusing thing to me was when the Toaster was the 'big thing' and there was all this whining about "but I want Toaster for the PC, I don't want to get an Amiga", and Toaster was finally available for the PC. If you looked inside, you found an Amiga blade! The 'problem' was that the Toaster intimately depended upon the video switching that was embedded within the Amiga's custom video chips. You _couldn't_ do it on the PC, not without equivalent hardware. The easiest way was to use the proven Amiga chips... Something that irritates me is that on broadcast TV channels that have scrolling ticker-tape bars wrapped around video feeds, is that the ticker-tape is very choppy, based upon what is being displayed in the video window. For awhile Amigas were doing all this kind of broadcast presentation, and the ticker-tape stuff was dead smooth at all times. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The amusing thing to me was when the Toaster was the 'big thing' and there was all this whining about "but I want Toaster for the PC, I don't want to get an Amiga", and Toaster was finally available for the PC. If you looked inside, you found an Amiga blade! The 'problem' was that the Toaster intimately depended upon the video switching that was embedded within the Amiga's custom video chips. You _couldn't_ do it on the PC, not without equivalent hardware. The easiest way was to use the proven Amiga chips... Something that irritates me is that on broadcast TV channels that have scrolling ticker-tape bars wrapped around video feeds, is that the ticker-tape is very choppy, based upon what is being displayed in the video window. For awhile Amigas were doing all this kind of broadcast presentation, and the ticker-tape stuff was dead smooth at all times. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
For video editing you're talking about Toaster, the Amiga was the platform for
the Toaster hardware and software.
Toaster wasn't actually an editor at all, it was a switcher that could do
effects, you had 2 or 3 tape decks that all ran to the Toaster and you switched
between them. With 3 decks you could do AB roll which allowed for dissolves
between video clips instead of just a dissolve to color and back to video. I
used a Toaster some in college and another when I first got out. It was great
in its day but by the time I was in school non-linear was already on the scene
and was clearly the future.
Tape decks are basically a thing of the past today but NewTek (the maker of the
Video Toaster) is still on the scene making equipment for live switching.
-Curt
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Great explanation!
Thinking back to the mainframe and punchcard days, it makes sense.
My experience with the word shell came from the days when #1 son was
learning first the amiga OS on an A 500 and later doing sophisticated
video editing on an A3000. The term used by the amigaphiles was to
"shell in" to use the GIU or to work "in the shell". The command
line was in the OS (which was probably a terminal shell by your
terminology) and was referred to by "Shell out" or "out of the {GUI}
shell.
So I have not been thinking of the CMD in windows or terminal in
linux/mac/unix as a shell, although it clearly is in windows and
linux. I still have been thinking of the shell as the GUI wrapper.
I have been thinking of the terminal and CMD as a terminal emulator,
not as a shell.
I don't hang out with enough linux jockey or programmer types to keep
up with all the jargon.
Amiga was an interesting OS. It was very advanced for its time and
like winders 95, allowed you to work on the base OS, or in the GUI.
In its day it was the best video editing platform (A3000 and A4000)
>There's a whole lot of conflation of terms. The _terminal_
>is the thing running the window, that maps ASCII character
>streams to things you can see. Named after the physical
>device you once had to purchase to do this job. The program
>_generating_ the ASCII stream is, initially at least as the
>system has been configured for normal use, bash, the Bourne-Again
>SHell. (Punily named because it is an extended-feature and
>independently-written version of the original command-interpreter
>shell sh, written by Steven Bourne for the first Unix. All
>Unix shells seem to have 'sh' in their name somewhere. Ones
>I am aware of are csh, ksh, bash, dash, ash, zsh.) Shells take
>command strings that you enter and turn them into one or more
>executing programs to implement your will. Bourne's big idea
>was that the shell was itself a programming language of sorts,
>and not just a simple command interpreter. Hence shell scripts,
>that aren't just a simple sequence of commands to run but that
>can prompt, make decisions, generate other scripts, etc.
>
>The 'shell' name as a concept is due to the fact that the core
>operating system functionality is _wrapped_ in a command
>interpreter. This interpreter is no more special than any other
>program, and so can be replaced easily, permanently or otherwise.
>Prior to Unix, command interpreters tended to be embedded parts of
>the OS, and not readily replaced. (i.e. _the_ command interpreter
>was the _only_ way to execute another program. Trials of possible
>new interpreters were uber-painful, involving re-building the OS
>and rebooting the whole system. Oh, so sorry if that new version
>didn't work right...)
>
>You can run bash without a terminal. Shell scripts behind the
>scenes, for example. You can run the terminal without bash,
>perhaps by changing your login shell to something else, or
>executing a program like vi or emacs _from_ the shell.
>
>I find that understanding how and why a system is constructed
>to be a great aid to _using_ such a system effectively.
>
>-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
For video editing you're talking about Toaster, the Amiga was the platform for
the Toaster hardware and software.
Toaster wasn't actually an editor at all, it was a switcher that could do
effects, you had 2 or 3 tape decks that all ran to the Toaster and you switched
between them. With 3 decks you could do AB roll which allowed for dissolves
between video clips instead of just a dissolve to color and back to video. I
used a Toaster some in college and another when I first got out. It was great
in its day but by the time I was in school non-linear was already on the scene
and was clearly the future.
Tape decks are basically a thing of the past today but NewTek (the maker of the
Video Toaster) is still on the scene making equipment for live switching.
-Curt
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Great explanation!
Thinking back to the mainframe and punchcard days, it makes sense.
My experience with the word shell came from the days when #1 son was
learning first the amiga OS on an A 500 and later doing sophisticated
video editing on an A3000. The term used by the amigaphiles was to
"shell in" to use the GIU or to work "in the shell". The command
line was in the OS (which was probably a terminal shell by your
terminology) and was referred to by "Shell out" or "out of the {GUI}
shell.
So I have not been thinking of the CMD in windows or terminal in
linux/mac/unix as a shell, although it clearly is in windows and
linux. I still have been thinking of the shell as the GUI wrapper.
I have been thinking of the terminal and CMD as a terminal emulator,
not as a shell.
I don't hang out with enough linux jockey or programmer types to keep
up with all the jargon.
Amiga was an interesting OS. It was very advanced for its time and
like winders 95, allowed you to work on the base OS, or in the GUI.
In its day it was the best video editing platform (A3000 and A4000)
>There's a whole lot of conflation of terms. The _terminal_
>is the thing running the window, that maps ASCII character
>streams to things you can see. Named after the physical
>device you once had to purchase to do this job. The program
>_generating_ the ASCII stream is, initially at least as the
>system has been configured for normal use, bash, the Bourne-Again
>SHell. (Punily named because it is an extended-feature and
>independently-written version of the original command-interpreter
>shell sh, written by Steven Bourne for the first Unix. All
>Unix shells seem to have 'sh' in their name somewhere. Ones
>I am aware of are csh, ksh, bash, dash, ash, zsh.) Shells take
>command strings that you enter and turn them into one or more
>executing programs to implement your will. Bourne's big idea
>was that the shell was itself a programming language of sorts,
>and not just a simple command interpreter. Hence shell scripts,
>that aren't just a simple sequence of commands to run but that
>can prompt, make decisions, generate other scripts, etc.
>
>The 'shell' name as a concept is due to the fact that the core
>operating system functionality is _wrapped_ in a command
>interpreter. This interpreter is no more special than any other
>program, and so can be replaced easily, permanently or otherwise.
>Prior to Unix, command interpreters tended to be embedded parts of
>the OS, and not readily replaced. (i.e. _the_ command interpreter
>was the _only_ way to execute another program. Trials of possible
>new interpreters were uber-painful, involving re-building the OS
>and rebooting the whole system. Oh, so sorry if that new version
>didn't work right...)
>
>You can run bash without a terminal. Shell scripts behind the
>scenes, for example. You can run the terminal without bash,
>perhaps by changing your login shell to something else, or
>executing a program like vi or emacs _from_ the shell.
>
>I find that understanding how and why a system is constructed
>to be a great aid to _using_ such a system effectively.
>
>-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Great explanation!
Thinking back to the mainframe and punchcard days, it makes sense.
My experience with the word shell came from the days when #1 son was
learning first the amiga OS on an A 500 and later doing sophisticated
video editing on an A3000. The term used by the amigaphiles was to
"shell in" to use the GIU or to work "in the shell". The command
line was in the OS (which was probably a terminal shell by your
terminology) and was referred to by "Shell out" or "out of the {GUI}
shell.
So I have not been thinking of the CMD in windows or terminal in
linux/mac/unix as a shell, although it clearly is in windows and
linux. I still have been thinking of the shell as the GUI wrapper.
I have been thinking of the terminal and CMD as a terminal emulator,
not as a shell.
I don't hang out with enough linux jockey or programmer types to keep
up with all the jargon.
Amiga was an interesting OS. It was very advanced for its time and
like winders 95, allowed you to work on the base OS, or in the GUI.
In its day it was the best video editing platform (A3000 and A4000)
There's a whole lot of conflation of terms. The _terminal_
is the thing running the window, that maps ASCII character
streams to things you can see. Named after the physical
device you once had to purchase to do this job. The program
_generating_ the ASCII stream is, initially at least as the
system has been configured for normal use, bash, the Bourne-Again
SHell. (Punily named because it is an extended-feature and
independently-written version of the original command-interpreter
shell sh, written by Steven Bourne for the first Unix. All
Unix shells seem to have 'sh' in their name somewhere. Ones
I am aware of are csh, ksh, bash, dash, ash, zsh.) Shells take
command strings that you enter and turn them into one or more
executing programs to implement your will. Bourne's big idea
was that the shell was itself a programming language of sorts,
and not just a simple command interpreter. Hence shell scripts,
that aren't just a simple sequence of commands to run but that
can prompt, make decisions, generate other scripts, etc.
The 'shell' name as a concept is due to the fact that the core
operating system functionality is _wrapped_ in a command
interpreter. This interpreter is no more special than any other
program, and so can be replaced easily, permanently or otherwise.
Prior to Unix, command interpreters tended to be embedded parts of
the OS, and not readily replaced. (i.e. _the_ command interpreter
was the _only_ way to execute another program. Trials of possible
new interpreters were uber-painful, involving re-building the OS
and rebooting the whole system. Oh, so sorry if that new version
didn't work right...)
You can run bash without a terminal. Shell scripts behind the
scenes, for example. You can run the terminal without bash,
perhaps by changing your login shell to something else, or
executing a program like vi or emacs _from_ the shell.
I find that understanding how and why a system is constructed
to be a great aid to _using_ such a system effectively.
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
There's a whole lot of conflation of terms. The _terminal_ is the thing running the window, that maps ASCII character streams to things you can see. Named after the physical device you once had to purchase to do this job. The program _generating_ the ASCII stream is, initially at least as the system has been configured for normal use, bash, the Bourne-Again SHell. (Punily named because it is an extended-feature and independently-written version of the original command-interpreter shell sh, written by Steven Bourne for the first Unix. All Unix shells seem to have 'sh' in their name somewhere. Ones I am aware of are csh, ksh, bash, dash, ash, zsh.) Shells take command strings that you enter and turn them into one or more executing programs to implement your will. Bourne's big idea was that the shell was itself a programming language of sorts, and not just a simple command interpreter. Hence shell scripts, that aren't just a simple sequence of commands to run but that can prompt, make decisions, generate other scripts, etc. The 'shell' name as a concept is due to the fact that the core operating system functionality is _wrapped_ in a command interpreter. This interpreter is no more special than any other program, and so can be replaced easily, permanently or otherwise. Prior to Unix, command interpreters tended to be embedded parts of the OS, and not readily replaced. (i.e. _the_ command interpreter was the _only_ way to execute another program. Trials of possible new interpreters were uber-painful, involving re-building the OS and rebooting the whole system. Oh, so sorry if that new version didn't work right...) You can run bash without a terminal. Shell scripts behind the scenes, for example. You can run the terminal without bash, perhaps by changing your login shell to something else, or executing a program like vi or emacs _from_ the shell. I find that understanding how and why a system is constructed to be a great aid to _using_ such a system effectively. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Thanks Your explanation is very helpful and clear. I will try that again. > I think I've just been bashed. THis was intended to be funny, playing on the bash that the linux jockeys always refer to. I always wondered why they kept talking about bash. I did figger out yesterday that the terminal kept starting with bash and so the references to bash must mean the terminal. I never could get the tab complete to work. I did read about it. With your explanation I will try it again. The ubuntu terminal then is evidently bash. As I said in an earlier post, I was finally able to navigate to the xppro/WINDOWS/system32 directory, but chntpw could not find the hive to open. My thinking is that some later patch blocks the use of peter Nordahl's password/regitry edit tools, since neither the freestanding ones or the terminal executable one would work. Heh. Maybe. Sorry. *smiles* In reading some of your later posts, I see you are trying to access a Win drive from Linux. I misunderstood. Oops. If you are actually using a Linux shell (bash, dash, zsh) you should be able to use "tab complete". This is the amazing trick where the computer actually helps you!! A prompt is when you have a "$". Many shell default to also showing you your username, the hostname, and your current directory. fmiser@HostName:~$ | The "|" is the text cursor and is often blinking. To change directory, start typing "cd /me" fmiser@HostName:~$ cd /me| and press the tab key. Most likely, the computer will fill the rest in for you and you will now have fmiser@HostName:~$ cd /media/| Press tab again, and you should hear or "see" a beep - which is the computer saying "There's more than one choice!! I can't read your mind..." Either start typing the next directory you want to enter - or press tab once more. This second press of the tab will show you all of the choices that made the computer panic. When what _YOU_ have typed can only mean one thing, the tab button will cause the computer to complete the whole path. Otherwise, it will complete as much as it can until there is an uncertainty. Maybe that will help you get into the directory you need to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
> > I think I just been bashed. Heh. Maybe. Sorry. *smiles* In reading some of your later posts, I see you are trying to access a Win drive from Linux. I misunderstood. Oops. If you are actually using a Linux shell (bash, dash, zsh) you should be able to use "tab complete". This is the amazing trick where the computer actually helps you!! A prompt is when you have a "$". Many shell default to also showing you your username, the hostname, and your current directory. fmiser@HostName:~$ | The "|" is the text cursor and is often blinking. To change directory, start typing "cd /me" fmiser@HostName:~$ cd /me| and press the tab key. Most likely, the computer will fill the rest in for you and you will now have fmiser@HostName:~$ cd /media/| Press tab again, and you should hear or "see" a beep - which is the computer saying "There's more than one choice!! I can't read your mind..." Either start typing the next directory you want to enter - or press tab once more. This second press of the tab will show you all of the choices that made the computer panic. When what _YOU_ have typed can only mean one thing, the tab button will cause the computer to complete the whole path. Otherwise, it will complete as much as it can until there is an uncertainty. Maybe that will help you get into the directory you need to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
> Curly wrote: Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot Well, first of all, *nix traditionally uses one "root", not a root for every drive. Each drive can be mounted to any directory anywhere in the tree. Oh. You are still talking MS Win. Err start > run. Type "cmd". A terminal will open. Then "dir" to change directory - but there probably isn't tab-complete so you have to "ls" to see the content of each directory and type each name exactly. It probably also is limited to 8.3 namespace so longer names will be truncated. Maybe MSWin terminal is JUNK! I use msys, which behaves like a bash shell. I think I just been bashed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
> Curly wrote: > > Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then > launch a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there > might be a way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. > > Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to > c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks > > Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot Well, first of all, *nix traditionally uses one "root", not a root for every drive. Each drive can be mounted to any directory anywhere in the tree. Oh. You are still talking MS Win. Err start > run. Type "cmd". A terminal will open. Then "dir" to change directory - but there probably isn't tab-complete so you have to "ls" to see the content of each directory and type each name exactly. It probably also is limited to 8.3 namespace so longer names will be truncated. Maybe MSWin terminal is JUNK! I use msys, which behaves like a bash shell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Windows Ultimate Boot CD will do that easily. Google is your friend for instructions on how to use it. Beak in to XP and all earlier versions, last I used it. On Jan 12, 2015 5:20 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > > > Yes, I am trying to blank the password of a winders installation on a drive called XP Pro an unfortunate name for use in linux. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
There are distros specifically for this job. I can't remember any names off the top of my head but as usual Google is your friend. I used one once for a Windows Server 2003 system with RAID 1 drives and had to do the dang thing 3 times. The first time I only did one of the 2 drives which then got "fixed" when I ran Windows by the RAID 1 controller.Hadta run the tool, change one drive, then reboot the tool and change the other drive. PITA but still easier than reinstalling Windows and getting Microsoft to re-authorize the serial number. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Craig ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question >On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:23:10 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch >> a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a >> way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. >> >> Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to >> c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks >> > > Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot > > >Your designations of directories are Windows oriented, yet your question >is about Linux. Do you have a Windows partition mounted on your Linux >system? > > >Craig OOPS! sorry Subject was supposed to be ubuntu Yes, I am trying to blank the password of a winders installation on a drive called XP Pro an unfortunate name for use in linux. I have made progress in the second alternative, terminal. I have managed to cd to /media where XP\ Pro is mounted and shown in the dir command. However cd with /XP\ Pro or any other combination does not work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
There are 2 drives in the box, each with a different install of XP. I booted it into the other xp and changed the drive to xppro, a much more unix friendly name. will see if I can get into the winders\system32 directory now. The XP Pro drive would mount, but I could not naviagte to it in terminal. On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:23:10 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks > Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot Your designations of directories are Windows oriented, yet your question is about Linux. Do you have a Windows partition mounted on your Linux system? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:23:10 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks > Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot Your designations of directories are Windows oriented, yet your question is about Linux. Do you have a Windows partition mounted on your Linux system? Craig OOPS! sorry Subject was supposed to be ubuntu Yes, I am trying to blank the password of a winders installation on a drive called XP Pro an unfortunate name for use in linux. I have made progress in the second alternative, terminal. I have managed to cd to /media where XP\ Pro is mounted and shown in the dir command. However cd with /XP\ Pro or any other combination does not work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:23:10 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch > a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a > way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. > > Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to > c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks > > Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot And you also forgot to start a new thread. Now we have "Ubuntu question" right in the middle of "Oh Martha." Please start a new thread next time. Your designations of directories are Windows oriented, yet your question is about Linux. Do you have a Windows partition mounted on your Linux system? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Ubuntu question
Is it possible to navigate to C:/windows/system32 in FILE then launch a terminal in the system 32 directory? I thought there might be a way. Rt click does not bring it up in the menu. Alternately, I need to know the commands to get to c:\windows\system32 in the terminal window. Thanks Yeah, I know this is rudimentary 'nix, but i forgot ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
