Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:51 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There is no foam in a 123, is there? Steel bows like the old cars?
> Gerry
> ~~~ 
>> If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued to a
>> hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to replace 
>> the
>> whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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There is no foam in a 123, is there? Steel bows like the old cars?
Gerry
~~~ 
> If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued to a
> hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to replace 
> the
> whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can if you scrape as much of the old nasty foam out, but it looks like crap 
when you’re done as the adhesive bleeds through the fabric.  Don’t ask me how I 
know…

Dan



> On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You cannot re-glue the existing fabric, the rubber backing has gone bad and 
> will continue to shed until you have nothing but cloth left.
> 
> This is a common issue, foam back headliners are standard equipment in most 
> of the industry now, with either hardboard or molded plastic backing.
> 
> Get the thing out, get the material, scrape all the crap off, use spray 
> adhesive sparingly, and glue new fabric on.  Works very well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You cannot re-glue the existing fabric, the rubber backing has gone  
bad and will continue to shed until you have nothing but cloth left.


This is a common issue, foam back headliners are standard equipment in  
most of the industry now, with either hardboard or molded plastic  
backing.


Get the thing out, get the material, scrape all the crap off, use  
spray adhesive sparingly, and glue new fabric on.  Works very well.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m not sure how easy it would be to reglue the existing fabric, but JoAnn 
Fabrics has a bunch of different kinds of headliner fabric and the correct 
glue, too.  The R129 headliner I replaced has been there for almost three years 
and it’s still glued tight and looks great.

This is serious Martha territory...

Dan



> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's it, I have not attempted to fix it yet.  A friend paid hundreds for an 
> auto interior place to glue his headliner back in place.  I think a new piece 
> is about a grand.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 7, 2016 6:12:22 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued
>> to a
>> hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to
>> replace the
>> whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://www.joann.com/headliner-grey/3496064.html


> On November 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That's it, I have not attempted to fix it yet.  A friend paid hundreds for an
> auto interior place to glue his headliner back in place.  I think a new piece
> is about a grand.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's it, I have not attempted to fix it yet.  A friend paid hundreds for an 
auto interior place to glue his headliner back in place.  I think a new piece 
is about a grand.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 7, 2016 6:12:22 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued
>to a
>hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to
>replace the
>whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 
>
>Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s the same way the R129 hardtop headliners are made as well.  I’ve 
replaced them before, and while it’s a messy job, it’s not terribly difficult 
or expensive to do, just time consuming.

Dan


> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued to a
> hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to replace 
> the
> whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If it's at all like 1970s Saab headliner, it's foam backed fabric glued to a
hard shell, and when the foam disintegrates the only solution is to replace the
whole piece of fabric after removing all the foam crumbs. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All very salient points.

I just heard back from the seller, and he assures me that the two injectors in 
question are not broken off.  He was replacing the set on a Sunday at home, and 
the last two that were resistant to moving much got abandoned due to time and 
lack of light.  They’re still in place but not working.

He only replaced the glow plug harness according to him.  he thinks the engine 
harness is original, but isn’t sure.  I have a VMI a the local dealer I’ve got 
to pick up, it may offer some insight into the possibility that the engine 
harness was replaced at an earlier time, as the car has a pretty extensive 
service history with the local dealer.  Either way, the engine harness isn’t 
expensive or difficult to replace if I have to.

He’s getting under the car tonight to get pictures of the undercarriage and 
check out the exhaust system.  I should have them tomorrow.  I have alerted him 
to the need for the catalytic converter to be intact along with the related 
piping, so he’s going to do some poking and probing as well and report on the 
condition.

Headliner is starting to sag near the rear window.  This was mentioned up front 
when I first inquired about the car.  Does the whole thing have to be removed 
to fix it, or can you just poke a tiny hole and spray adhesive behind it to 
tack it into place?

Thanks a bunch, this is great information!

Dan

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> My '95 has a failed evaporator.  I think the Cliplight product is a good
> solution to that (potential) problem.
> 
> Glow Plugs:  Removing the injectors and dribbling penetrating oil on the
> inside end of the glow plug is a very effective way to loosen those
> stubborn plugs.  Time consuming compared to a plug that comes right out,
> but far less time consuming and less expensive than breaking off a plug.
> Check with local MB shops to see if any have the special tool set for
> removing the broken plugs, as the you-tube advertisement videos make the
> special tool process look very quick and drama-free.
> 
> More glow plugs: Beru lists 45Nm as the maximum recommended torque for
> removing their glow plugs.  See if the owner knows which brand plugs are
> stuck and what is installed in the rest of the head.  I did destructive
> testing on two MB star-marked plugs, I think the lowest breaking point was
> about 75 Nm.
> 
> Harness: the glow plug harness was included in the engine harness that I
> purchased, but that doesn't mean that the owner of your prospective car
> replaced both, as I think the glow plug harness can be purchased separately.
> 
> Rust belt: you want pictures of the catalytic converter.  Mine died of tin
> worm infection.  I could not stomach the cost of an MB dealer part, so I
> had an aftermarket catalytic converter installed.  The exhaust sound is now
> pretty bad, has a nasty rasp to it at heavy throttle.  Price out the front
> pipe (includes cat) and negotiate accordingly.  I think the cheapest list
> price I found was $1600 or more.
> 
> In general: last year of the 124, has better looks, better rust proofing,
> better sound system, better interior, etc. etc.
> 
> Another downside: the headliners are the glued-to-fiberboard version which
> is prone to sagging.  Ask for pix of the headliner.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Max, lots of good info in there.
>> 
>> The car I'm looking at is a 95, and I haven't found any indications that
>> the last year or two are (as) prone to evaporator failures. Hopefully they
>> resolved things by then
>> 
>> The glow plug harness has been changed, but I don't know about the engine
>> harness. I'll have a VMI from MBUSA later today. Even if it needs an engine
>> harness, they're cheap (about $200 my cost) and require minimal effort to
>> replace, since there's not much to engine electricals on the diesels. The
>> VMI may reveal that it's been replaced, I hope.
>> 
>> Nice mileage numbers - that's what I'm shooting for. That would make the
>> boy ecstatic, for sure.
>> 
>> I know that two glow plugs have not been replaced due to difficulties in
>> attempts to remove them. They're not broken, the owner just couldn't get
>> them loose so they left them alone. Not an issue for Florida, but they're
>> north of the Mason-Dixon Line, so it's affected them when it gets cold.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan,
>>> 
>>> I get about 27 - 28 mpg around town, 30 - 32 mpg on the highway.  Big
>> fuel tank, 24.5 gallons I think, so the car goes a long time between
>> stations.
>>> 
>>> Wiring harness in the engine compartment has the degrading insulation.
>>> 
>>> Glow plugs are a real pain if the last mechanic did not slather them in
>> never-seize.
>>> 
>>> Exhaust system with catalytic 

Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan,

My '95 has a failed evaporator.  I think the Cliplight product is a good
solution to that (potential) problem.

Glow Plugs:  Removing the injectors and dribbling penetrating oil on the
inside end of the glow plug is a very effective way to loosen those
stubborn plugs.  Time consuming compared to a plug that comes right out,
but far less time consuming and less expensive than breaking off a plug.
Check with local MB shops to see if any have the special tool set for
removing the broken plugs, as the you-tube advertisement videos make the
special tool process look very quick and drama-free.

More glow plugs: Beru lists 45Nm as the maximum recommended torque for
removing their glow plugs.  See if the owner knows which brand plugs are
stuck and what is installed in the rest of the head.  I did destructive
testing on two MB star-marked plugs, I think the lowest breaking point was
about 75 Nm.

Harness: the glow plug harness was included in the engine harness that I
purchased, but that doesn't mean that the owner of your prospective car
replaced both, as I think the glow plug harness can be purchased separately.

Rust belt: you want pictures of the catalytic converter.  Mine died of tin
worm infection.  I could not stomach the cost of an MB dealer part, so I
had an aftermarket catalytic converter installed.  The exhaust sound is now
pretty bad, has a nasty rasp to it at heavy throttle.  Price out the front
pipe (includes cat) and negotiate accordingly.  I think the cheapest list
price I found was $1600 or more.

In general: last year of the 124, has better looks, better rust proofing,
better sound system, better interior, etc. etc.

Another downside: the headliners are the glued-to-fiberboard version which
is prone to sagging.  Ask for pix of the headliner.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Max, lots of good info in there.
>
> The car I'm looking at is a 95, and I haven't found any indications that
> the last year or two are (as) prone to evaporator failures. Hopefully they
> resolved things by then
>
> The glow plug harness has been changed, but I don't know about the engine
> harness. I'll have a VMI from MBUSA later today. Even if it needs an engine
> harness, they're cheap (about $200 my cost) and require minimal effort to
> replace, since there's not much to engine electricals on the diesels. The
> VMI may reveal that it's been replaced, I hope.
>
> Nice mileage numbers - that's what I'm shooting for. That would make the
> boy ecstatic, for sure.
>
> I know that two glow plugs have not been replaced due to difficulties in
> attempts to remove them. They're not broken, the owner just couldn't get
> them loose so they left them alone. Not an issue for Florida, but they're
> north of the Mason-Dixon Line, so it's affected them when it gets cold.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I get about 27 - 28 mpg around town, 30 - 32 mpg on the highway.  Big
> fuel tank, 24.5 gallons I think, so the car goes a long time between
> stations.
> >
> > Wiring harness in the engine compartment has the degrading insulation.
> >
> > Glow plugs are a real pain if the last mechanic did not slather them in
> never-seize.
> >
> > Exhaust system with catalytic converter is unique and very dear, about
> $1700 for the front pipes with the converter.
> >
> > AC evaporator is subject to leaks.
> >
> > Performance is nice, maybe my car is weak, but it is nothing like my '87
> wagon.  The turbo OM603 is a stronger engine I think.  That said, the OM606
> does just fine.
> >
> > If you find an example that has had the engine wiring harness and
> evaporator replaced, should be a great car for a college kid.
> > --
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> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Should have sent Andrew to look at it last weekend. 
Mitch.

> On November 7, 2016 at 10:13 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It's got a good history, too. I'm waiting on a VMI from the dealer, CarFax was
> very clean and good, too. I'm waiting to hear the details on the glow plug
> replacement to make sure they weren't broken off. I also asked for
> undercarriage pictures, as it's in a snow belt state (Maryland).

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

It's got a good history, too. I'm waiting on a VMI from the dealer, CarFax was 
very clean and good, too. I'm waiting to hear the details on the glow plug 
replacement to make sure they weren't broken off. I also asked for 
undercarriage pictures, as it's in a snow belt state (Maryland).

Dan


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> wrote:
> 
> There's a huge advantage to buying a car from a long term owner who tells you
> what's wrong with it to the best of his ability. And from what you've said 
> about
> this car, the seller sounds very forthright. 
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
> 
>> On November 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> I know that two glow plugs have not been replaced due to difficulties in
>> attempts to remove them. They're not broken, the owner just couldn't get them
>> loose so they left them alone. Not an issue for Florida, but they're north of
>> the Mason-Dixon Line, so it's affected them when it gets cold.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

There's a huge advantage to buying a car from a long term owner who tells you
what's wrong with it to the best of his ability. And from what you've said about
this car, the seller sounds very forthright. 

Mitch. 


> On November 7, 2016 at 9:38 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> I know that two glow plugs have not been replaced due to difficulties in
> attempts to remove them. They're not broken, the owner just couldn't get them
> loose so they left them alone. Not an issue for Florida, but they're north of
> the Mason-Dixon Line, so it's affected them when it gets cold.
>

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Max, lots of good info in there.

The car I'm looking at is a 95, and I haven't found any indications that the 
last year or two are (as) prone to evaporator failures. Hopefully they resolved 
things by then

The glow plug harness has been changed, but I don't know about the engine 
harness. I'll have a VMI from MBUSA later today. Even if it needs an engine 
harness, they're cheap (about $200 my cost) and require minimal effort to 
replace, since there's not much to engine electricals on the diesels. The VMI 
may reveal that it's been replaced, I hope.

Nice mileage numbers - that's what I'm shooting for. That would make the boy 
ecstatic, for sure.

I know that two glow plugs have not been replaced due to difficulties in 
attempts to remove them. They're not broken, the owner just couldn't get them 
loose so they left them alone. Not an issue for Florida, but they're north of 
the Mason-Dixon Line, so it's affected them when it gets cold.

Dan

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan, 
> 
> I get about 27 - 28 mpg around town, 30 - 32 mpg on the highway.  Big fuel 
> tank, 24.5 gallons I think, so the car goes a long time between stations.
> 
> Wiring harness in the engine compartment has the degrading insulation.
> 
> Glow plugs are a real pain if the last mechanic did not slather them in 
> never-seize.
> 
> Exhaust system with catalytic converter is unique and very dear, about $1700 
> for the front pipes with the converter.
> 
> AC evaporator is subject to leaks.
> 
> Performance is nice, maybe my car is weak, but it is nothing like my '87 
> wagon.  The turbo OM603 is a stronger engine I think.  That said, the OM606 
> does just fine.
> 
> If you find an example that has had the engine wiring harness and evaporator 
> replaced, should be a great car for a college kid.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan, 

I get about 27 - 28 mpg around town, 30 - 32 mpg on the highway.  Big fuel 
tank, 24.5 gallons I think, so the car goes a long time between stations.

Wiring harness in the engine compartment has the degrading insulation.

Glow plugs are a real pain if the last mechanic did not slather them in 
never-seize.

Exhaust system with catalytic converter is unique and very dear, about $1700 
for the front pipes with the converter.

AC evaporator is subject to leaks.

Performance is nice, maybe my car is weak, but it is nothing like my '87 wagon. 
 The turbo OM603 is a stronger engine I think.  That said, the OM606 does just 
fine.

If you find an example that has had the engine wiring harness and evaporator 
replaced, should be a great car for a college kid.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

An na 606 w124 would be hard to beat for a young guy. Nobody under 40
should drive an m119. Fun motor but far too fast and inefficient for
college or whatever.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>

> I’m toying with the idea of replacing the S420 with a W124 diesel for the
youngest boy.  Far more economical, relatively robust, better appointed
than a W126 diesel, which I am finding are darned near impossible to find
in decent condition for a reasonable price.
>
> I’ve got a line on a nice 1995 W124 E300 with 175k, dealer maintained,
special edition, everything works, etc. about a day’s drive away.  It has
some minor damage in the right front quarter, but nothing a new bumper
strip and a tug or two on the bottom edge of the fender where it meets the
bumper and it would be good as new.
>
>
> I want to be able to send the youngster off when he graduates in December
with a solid car that won’t drain his bank account for maintenance, repairs
and operating expenses.  The W124 diesels seem to fit this requirement
pretty well, and there are still enough of them out there that prices
aren’t bad for nice examples.  Sure, he won’t have the performance of the
M119, but he also won’t be spending a small fortune putting gas in the
thing.  And he’s gain the reliability and economy of a diesel, too.
>
> We’ll see as I know more.
>
> Thanks to all for the insight, as I know the W124 well but not the diesel
versions.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:02 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:
> >
> > As long as you like the W124 body, this is a great car to own and
drive.  SWMBA liked it enough to drive for seven years.  ACC is dodgy, but
that is what the W124 has, diesel or not.  Would still be driving it had it
not been smacked really hard by a dame paying no attention.  We owned it
for ten years.
> >
> > Seating is comfortable for ten hour driving days (650-680 miles) for
many days in a row.  I did Orlando to Seattle in five days.  The
acceleration is not neck snapping, but faster than a W123 or W126 diesel.
You can chirp tires from a start.  #1 boy was able to spin it 180* from a
dead stop into a telephone pole within its own wheel base.  IT does not
perform like an e500, but does as well as the other 3 liters.  There is no
need to mash the pedal, there is lots of left over power to overtake other
cars on steep mountain passes.  There was one issue with EGR going wonky
after cresting Lincoln Pass on I-80, but the SLC dealer made it all good
again.
> >
> > clay
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m toying with the idea of replacing the S420 with a W124 diesel for the 
youngest boy.  Far more economical, relatively robust, better appointed than a 
W126 diesel, which I am finding are darned near impossible to find in decent 
condition for a reasonable price.

I’ve got a line on a nice 1995 W124 E300 with 175k, dealer maintained, special 
edition, everything works, etc. about a day’s drive away.  It has some minor 
damage in the right front quarter, but nothing a new bumper strip and a tug or 
two on the bottom edge of the fender where it meets the bumper and it would be 
good as new.


I want to be able to send the youngster off when he graduates in December with 
a solid car that won’t drain his bank account for maintenance, repairs and 
operating expenses.  The W124 diesels seem to fit this requirement pretty well, 
and there are still enough of them out there that prices aren’t bad for nice 
examples.  Sure, he won’t have the performance of the M119, but he also won’t 
be spending a small fortune putting gas in the thing.  And he’s gain the 
reliability and economy of a diesel, too.

We’ll see as I know more.

Thanks to all for the insight, as I know the W124 well but not the diesel 
versions.

Dan

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:02 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> As long as you like the W124 body, this is a great car to own and drive.  
> SWMBA liked it enough to drive for seven years.  ACC is dodgy, but that is 
> what the W124 has, diesel or not.  Would still be driving it had it not been 
> smacked really hard by a dame paying no attention.  We owned it for ten years.
> 
> Seating is comfortable for ten hour driving days (650-680 miles) for many 
> days in a row.  I did Orlando to Seattle in five days.  The acceleration is 
> not neck snapping, but faster than a W123 or W126 diesel.  You can chirp 
> tires from a start.  #1 boy was able to spin it 180* from a dead stop into a 
> telephone pole within its own wheel base.  IT does not perform like an e500, 
> but does as well as the other 3 liters.  There is no need to mash the pedal, 
> there is lots of left over power to overtake other cars on steep mountain 
> passes.  There was one issue with EGR going wonky after cresting Lincoln Pass 
> on I-80, but the SLC dealer made it all good again.
> 
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[clay via Mercedes]

As long as you like the W124 body, this is a great car to own and drive.  SWMBA 
liked it enough to drive for seven years.  ACC is dodgy, but that is what the 
W124 has, diesel or not.  Would still be driving it had it not been smacked 
really hard by a dame paying no attention.  We owned it for ten years.

Seating is comfortable for ten hour driving days (650-680 miles) for many days 
in a row.  I did Orlando to Seattle in five days.  The acceleration is not neck 
snapping, but faster than a W123 or W126 diesel.  You can chirp tires from a 
start.  #1 boy was able to spin it 180* from a dead stop into a telephone pole 
within its own wheel base.  IT does not perform like an e500, but does as well 
as the other 3 liters.  There is no need to mash the pedal, there is lots of 
left over power to overtake other cars on steep mountain passes.  There was one 
issue with EGR going wonky after cresting Lincoln Pass on I-80, but the SLC 
dealer made it all good again.

clay


> On Nov 6, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> So for those who have owned/driven this model, I'm curious as to your 
> impression of their performance since they're not turbocharged.
> 
> Are they doggy in comparison to the turbo version?  Do you have to drive them 
> with your foot into the pedal?
> 
> I love the performance of the OM603 in my W126. It's close to a vergasser in 
> performance, I think.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:34 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Not I, the shop SWMBA took the car to.  They were well versed in BioD damage 
>> and had the specialized parts to reduce the screw over that fuel causes. 
>> First time the GP broke off, second time I forget what happened.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You did it wrong 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 PM, clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
 valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  
 
 
 clay
 
 
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It 
> can turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Typical fuel mileage?
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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It does not have turbo lag either which is nice

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> On Nov 6, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is good to know as I haven’t driven one before and I was curious what 
> that engine was like without a turbo.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They have more power than the 617 and 602 turbos and just about the same hp 
>> as the 3.5 603. In other words they are not doggy at all. Now if you step up 
>> to a turbo 606 in a 98-99, now those are pretty darn quick 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is good to know as I haven’t driven one before and I was curious what that 
engine was like without a turbo.

Thanks!

Dan


> On Nov 6, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They have more power than the 617 and 602 turbos and just about the same hp 
> as the 3.5 603. In other words they are not doggy at all. Now if you step up 
> to a turbo 606 in a 98-99, now those are pretty darn quick 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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They have more power than the 617 and 602 turbos and just about the same hp as 
the 3.5 603. In other words they are not doggy at all. Now if you step up to a 
turbo 606 in a 98-99, now those are pretty darn quick 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> So for those who have owned/driven this model, I'm curious as to your 
> impression of their performance since they're not turbocharged.
> 
> Are they doggy in comparison to the turbo version?  Do you have to drive them 
> with your foot into the pedal?
> 
> I love the performance of the OM603 in my W126. It's close to a vergasser in 
> performance, I think.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:34 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Not I, the shop SWMBA took the car to.  They were well versed in BioD damage 
>> and had the specialized parts to reduce the screw over that fuel causes. 
>> First time the GP broke off, second time I forget what happened.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You did it wrong 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 PM, clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
 valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  
 
 
 clay
 
 
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It 
> can turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Typical fuel mileage?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

So for those who have owned/driven this model, I'm curious as to your 
impression of their performance since they're not turbocharged.

Are they doggy in comparison to the turbo version?  Do you have to drive them 
with your foot into the pedal?

I love the performance of the OM603 in my W126. It's close to a vergasser in 
performance, I think.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:34 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Not I, the shop SWMBA took the car to.  They were well versed in BioD damage 
> and had the specialized parts to reduce the screw over that fuel causes. 
> First time the GP broke off, second time I forget what happened.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You did it wrong 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
>>> valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It 
 can turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Typical fuel mileage?
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[clay via Mercedes]

Not I, the shop SWMBA took the car to.  They were well versed in BioD damage 
and had the specialized parts to reduce the screw over that fuel causes. First 
time the GP broke off, second time I forget what happened.



> On Nov 5, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You did it wrong 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
>> valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It 
>>> can turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
 
 
> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Typical fuel mileage?
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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You did it wrong 

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> On Nov 5, 2016, at 9:33 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
> valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It can 
>> turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Typical fuel mileage?
 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[clay via Mercedes]

Head came off twice to get the GP out of spot #6 in my 95.   BioD made IP 
valves leak, the injectors wanted attention another time.  


clay


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It can 
> turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Typical fuel mileage?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[clay via Mercedes]

Engine eats GP #6  Cokes it in

I was getting really good mileage on extended drives.  I do not recall exact 
mpg, but was getting 680 miles on a tank at 80mph with minimal stops.  City 
driving was around 22-27 depending on traffic.  Mostly done short drives to 
work.

This is also the model with monovalve issues.  Wilton knows how to put them to 
work again.




---
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> 
> I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if anyone 
> here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct experience what 
> kind of mileage is realistic with this car.
> 
> I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six cylinder 
> OM616 in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow plugs out 
> of?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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> On November 5, 2016 at 6:33 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It can
> turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.

Is it the engine where Marshall said you needed to get a swivel socket from the
Snap-On man to remove the back plug, or was that the turbo version?

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not really, if one is stuck work in back and forth till it comes out. It can 
turn into a nightmare if you get too aggressive with it.

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> On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Typical fuel mileage?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And are these the engines that are difficult to get glow plugs out of?


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Typical fuel mileage?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Typical fuel mileage?

Dan


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Nov 5, 2016 2:24 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Is the engine right?  Shouldn’t this be an OM606?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if
>> anyone here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct
>> experience what kind of mileage is realistic with this car.
>>> 
>>> I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six
>> cylinder OM616 in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow
>> plugs out of?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Nov 5, 2016 2:24 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Is the engine right?  Shouldn’t this be an OM606?
>
>
> > On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if
> anyone here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct
> experience what kind of mileage is realistic with this car.
> >
> > I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six
> cylinder OM616 in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow
> plugs out of?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

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606 yes

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> On Nov 5, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is the engine right?  Shouldn’t this be an OM606?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if 
>> anyone here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct 
>> experience what kind of mileage is realistic with this car.
>> 
>> I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six cylinder 
>> OM616 in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow plugs out 
>> of?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is the engine right?  Shouldn’t this be an OM606?


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if anyone 
> here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct experience what 
> kind of mileage is realistic with this car.
> 
> I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six cylinder 
> OM616 in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow plugs out 
> of?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] W124 E300 Diesels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve seen a couple of these up for sale recently, and was wondering if anyone 
here was familiar enough with this model to know from direct experience what 
kind of mileage is realistic with this car.

I’m talking about the later W124 models, like 1995, with the six cylinder OM616 
in them.  And is this the engine that’s a b*tch to get glow plugs out of?

Thanks,

Dan
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