Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
All true, but my point was that I was pretty sure that the Vito was not in Canada through MB/DC official channels and I used the outmoded term MBNA to quickly group both MBUSA and MB Canada. To me the use of MBNA was a shorthand term. My frustration is that MB/DC lets the NA market have a few choices, and has a HUGE smorgasbord for the rest of the world, outside NA. At 09:59 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: Loren - there hasn't been an MBNA for many years. D-B (now D-C) long ago decided that with the different governmental requirements and to be more in line with what goes on in the rest of the world, that they would split MBNA into MBUSA for the USA and MB of Canada for our Northern neighbors. The comment wasn't meant to imply that Vito vans were officially imported into Canada, just that the Canadian market is treated differently from the USA, and they do indeed have a few M-B models, including Smart cars, that so far have not been authorized by MBUSA. Technically, North America is not the same as USA! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? At 06:59 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: Make that USA, as our Canadian neighbors get a few models that MBUSA won't let us have! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Actually it is if you live anywhere BUT North America At 10:56 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
Make that USA, as our Canadian neighbors get a few models that MBUSA won't let us have! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Actually it is if you live anywhere BUT North America At 10:56 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? At 06:59 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: Make that USA, as our Canadian neighbors get a few models that MBUSA won't let us have! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Actually it is if you live anywhere BUT North America At 10:56 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? Nope none in Canada, just Smarts, B class, likely broader range of diesels... Oh and occasionally hulking horsepower related flavors that are crippled for or not offered in the USA market. Those occasionally turn up owned by some baseball/football star in the usa as illegally imported tho. Well or for example my 500SEL which is Euro tuned edition, as compared to the slightly anaemic USA flavour. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MBMuellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck).
I wonder if Rusty carries parts for these... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Canfield Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MBMuellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck). WOW! Look at the size of that windshield!!! That's alot of glass! Mike - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck). http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://er dgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267s z=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3 Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). COOL! Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably really exist in Der Fatherland... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Moir Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Long ago and far away Road and Track did an article on the Mercedes GT (Garbage Truck). They did it for laughs but did the whole thorough test. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT started flawlessly this morning @ 7deg F, no block heater.(cord gone) Christopher McCann wrote: MB firetrucks and garbage trucks too. Would love to see an MB garbage truck. Chris - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
Ok, so my original statement was correct. The rest of the world, but not Norte Amerika. At 07:35 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? Nope none in Canada, just Smarts, B class, likely broader range of diesels... Oh and occasionally hulking horsepower related flavors that are crippled for or not offered in the USA market. Those occasionally turn up owned by some baseball/football star in the usa as illegally imported tho. Well or for example my 500SEL which is Euro tuned edition, as compared to the slightly anaemic USA flavour. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
You're not worthy to have such a fine machine. Over here we got em coming out of our ears. - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Ok, so my original statement was correct. The rest of the world, but not Norte Amerika. At 07:35 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? Nope none in Canada, just Smarts, B class, likely broader range of diesels... Oh and occasionally hulking horsepower related flavors that are crippled for or not offered in the USA market. Those occasionally turn up owned by some baseball/football star in the usa as illegally imported tho. Well or for example my 500SEL which is Euro tuned edition, as compared to the slightly anaemic USA flavour. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 7/03/2007 9:24 AM
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
Loren - there hasn't been an MBNA for many years. D-B (now D-C) long ago decided that with the different governmental requirements and to be more in line with what goes on in the rest of the world, that they would split MBNA into MBUSA for the USA and MB of Canada for our Northern neighbors. The comment wasn't meant to imply that Vito vans were officially imported into Canada, just that the Canadian market is treated differently from the USA, and they do indeed have a few M-B models, including Smart cars, that so far have not been authorized by MBUSA. Technically, North America is not the same as USA! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan They have Vitos in Canadia? I didn't think they did, at least not through MBNA... Mac? Jeff? At 06:59 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote: Make that USA, as our Canadian neighbors get a few models that MBUSA won't let us have! Werner - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Actually it is if you live anywhere BUT North America At 10:56 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck).
Christopher McCann wrote: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). That is pretty neat, but I think I'll still hold out for the Mercedes sewer pumper... http://tinyurl.com/37cund Tom
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck).
Sweet. Being a former sewer worker, I'm quite jazzed. Bob R - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). Christopher McCann wrote: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). That is pretty neat, but I think I'll still hold out for the Mercedes sewer pumper... http://tinyurl.com/37cund Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck).
Notice that the man in the Mercedes sewer pumper truck is smiling and the guy on the sidewalk holding the pipe is not. Certain evidence that any MB can make you happy BillR - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). Christopher McCann wrote: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). That is pretty neat, but I think I'll still hold out for the Mercedes sewer pumper... http://tinyurl.com/37cund Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck).
that's awesome! Probably use MOGs for that now. Chris tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). That is pretty neat, but I think I'll still hold out for the Mercedes sewer pumper... http://tinyurl.com/37cund Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 08 14:35:15 2007 Received: from mail.atlasok.com ([70.184.24.3]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HPJi7-0002Df-BE for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:35:15 + Received: (qmail 18427 invoked by uid 508); 8 Mar 2007 08:35:17 -0600 Received: from 70.184.21.45 by mail2.atlasok.com (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED], uid 508) with qmail-scanner-2.01st (clamdscan: 0.90rc2/2257. spamassassin: 2.x. perlscan: 2.01st. Clear:RC:1(70.184.21.45):. Processed in 0.035773 secs); 08 Mar 2007 14:35:17 - Received: from 70-184-21-45.atlasok.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) (70.184.21.45) by mail.atlasok.com with SMTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:35:17 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:35:25 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] why is my SDL so loud? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:35:15 - Thanks. I suspected injectors also but wanted to see what others though. Will probably check the chain stretch also. BTW, just switched to M1. Peter Frederick wrote: Check the valve and injection timing -- late valve timing will lower compression and make it rattle. If it goes away with fuel treatment and then comes back, though, it's time to check the nozzle pattern, likely they are getting a bit worn. Low injection pressure will make them open early, too, same result -- injector knock at idle. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The comment wasn't meant to imply that Vito vans were officially imported into Canada, just that the Canadian market is treated differently from the USA, and they do indeed have a few M-B models, including Smart cars, that so far have not been authorized by MBUSA. If they're worried about altering their luxury image here, they should just invent a new name and rebadge some of the other vehicles. Sort of the reverse of what Toyota did when they started making cars under the Lexus marque. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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you mean like the Dodge Sprinter? CM Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner Fehlauer writes: The comment wasn't meant to imply that Vito vans were officially imported into Canada, just that the Canadian market is treated differently from the USA, and they do indeed have a few M-B models, including Smart cars, that so far have not been authorized by MBUSA. If they're worried about altering their luxury image here, they should just invent a new name and rebadge some of the other vehicles. Sort of the reverse of what Toyota did when they started making cars under the Lexus marque. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 08 15:25:21 2007 Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.241.45]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HPKUb-0006GF-EB for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:25:21 + Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:25:15 -0500 Received: from familycomp ([70.190.67.8]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id YFRF1W00c0Ahvvq000; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:25:15 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:23:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:25:22 - I know it's not Friday, but I will be away from the computer Friday so here is the A Classe skinny...I'm sure most of yous guys remember. From Wikipedia: The Moose test, also known as the Elk test, Älgtest in Swedish, has been used in Sweden for decades to test how a certain vehicle, usually an automobile, acts when avoiding a sudden danger, such as a moose. The test is made on dry pavement. Traffic cones are set up in an S shape to simulate the obstacle, the road and its edges. The car which is going to be tested has one belted person at each available seat and weights in the trunk to achieve maximum load. When the driver comes onto the track, he quickly swerves into the oncoming lane to avoid the object and then immediately swerves back to avoid oncoming traffic. The test is repeated with an increased speed until the car skids down the cones or spins around. This usually happens at speeds of about 70-80 km/h (45-50 mph) in the best cases. The test became widely known in 1997 when journalists from the Swedish motor magazine Teknikens Värld overturned the new Mercedes-Benz A-Class in the moose test, while a Trabant - a much older, and widely mocked car from the former German Democratic Republic - managed it perfectly [1]. The Dacia Logan appeared initially to fail the test, but a later investigation concluded that excessive testing had worn the car's tires to failure. The test was important in the popularization of Electronic Stability Control, which may soon become mandatory in the United States. The name 'Moose test' (German 'Elchtest') was invented by German journalists after this event, with regards to the scenario of an elk on the road, which
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Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The name 'Moose test' (German 'Elchtest') was invented by German journalists after this event, with regards to the scenario of an elk on the road, which is a likely occurrence in Sweden but not in Germany. Around my neck of the woods its deer. It's a rare drive home from work where I don't see at least one or two near the road, if not on the road. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
They probably really exist in Der Fatherland... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Moir Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Long ago and far away Road and Track did an article on the Mercedes GT (Garbage Truck). They did it for laughs but did the whole thorough test. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT started flawlessly this morning @ 7deg F, no block heater.(cord gone) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB firetrucks and garbage trucks too. Would love to see an MB garbage truck. Chris - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Sindelfingen plant, where the vast majority of our cars were built, built airplane engines during the war. Got the shit bombed out of it too. At least it wasn't disassmbled and taken as reparations as a few BMW plants were. That was mostly the owrk of the Soviets and prolly the French too. Americans were far more interested in taking INFORMATION/RESEARCH/SCIENTISTS. MB also made a few other light armored troop carriers. And Engines for boats too, of course. The idea behind the three pointed star (Daimler) was engines for land, sea and air. At first, people could not comprehend ANY usefulness for a car - that's what horses were for But the motor boat caught on immediately. Chris OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They did a locomotive once also - it cornered as if on rails. On 3/6/07, Frederick Moir wrote: Long ago and far away Road and Track did an article on the Mercedes GT (Garbage Truck). They did it for laughs but did the whole thorough test. Fred Moir -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 07 13:44:12 2007 Received: from web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.69.19]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HOwR9-0003In-K4 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:44:12 + Received: (qmail 95146 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 13:44:05 - X-YMail-OSG: SOK9CCkVM1meab4gDtEk72qBlLFBWLWSfqZ85emIVSSPISdcxxoc16a0OUYexaJ4MNfWsUQhgCGqch74N_ZC5yR2KvtlN7RwyoS9uw0oXfNnmey2.pCTvAzQ7jlgTQAqJEDHFlZwj4wOPQN2ZZnqQQFQZg-- Received: from [24.123.111.98] by web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:44:05 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:44:12 - http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). COOL! Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably really exist in Der Fatherland... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Moir Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Long ago and far away Road and Track did an article on the Mercedes GT (Garbage Truck). They did it for laughs but did the whole thorough test. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT started flawlessly this morning @ 7deg F, no block heater.(cord gone) Christopher McCann wrote: MB firetrucks and garbage trucks too. Would love to see an MB garbage truck. Chris - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie
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WOW! Look at the size of that windshield!!! That's alot of glass! Mike - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck). http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/ContentFilesMantel/Bilder_Fahrzeuge/muellfahrzeug_gr.jpgimgrefurl=http://erdgasfahrzeuge.harzenergie.de/Content.aspx%3Fmpid%3D53%26ch%3D3h=168w=267sz=17hl=destart=1tbnid=4uwL8l00shkFEM:tbnh=71tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmercedes%2Babfall%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). COOL! Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably really exist in Der Fatherland... Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Moir Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Long ago and far away Road and Track did an article on the Mercedes GT (Garbage Truck). They did it for laughs but did the whole thorough test. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT started flawlessly this morning @ 7deg F, no block heater.(cord gone) Christopher McCann wrote: MB firetrucks and garbage trucks too. Would love to see an MB garbage truck. Chris - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck).
Mike Canfield wrote: WOW! Look at the size of that windshield!!! That's alot of glass! I think that windshield costs more than a lot of our cars!!! John
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(Daimler) was engines for land, sea and air. At first, people could not comprehend ANY usefulness for a car - that's what horses were for But the motor boat caught on immediately. Yeah, the whole sea horse thing just wasn't working out. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck).
Ha, has to be gemany, 4 guys in the cab, here the local privately run collector runs a truck like that with *one* person. On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug (garbage collection truck). COOL! Chris John 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
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Actually it is if you live anywhere BUT North America At 10:56 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan - THAR SHE BLOWS Der MB Muellsammelfahrzeug(garbage collection truck).
Ja, Did you see the price? 186,377 Euros. That's a lot of bucks tor Der Vaterland garbage For you 186k Euros you get a lot of glass! At 08:39 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: Mike Canfield wrote: WOW! Look at the size of that windshield!!! That's alot of glass! I think that windshield costs more than a lot of our cars!!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
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Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Not upscale enough for MBUSA. And by the time it was DCAG it was probably too late. The ML _is_ a soccer mom-mobile. (I have little use for SUV's. Gimme a good car, wagon, or truck. Preferably all of them!) -- Jim
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Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not upscale enough for MBUSA. And by the time it was DCAG it was probably too late. The ML _is_ a soccer mom-mobile. (I have little use for SUV's. Gimme a good car, wagon, or truck. Preferably all of them!) In general I agree. However if you have more than 2 kids in car seats, it's really nice to have a third row of seats to take the family anywhere. I still miss our Dodge Caravan in that regard (though not the plague of electrical problems it had). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Try here: http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/vans/home/products/new_vans/vito/crewbus.html
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The R is the Benz mommyvan of choice around here. But you also have to have bleached blond hair and a cell phone implanted in your ear, and pay no attention to the driving task at hand. Daddy has the S or SL, or maybe a 6 or 7 Beemer. --R Allan Streib wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not upscale enough for MBUSA. And by the time it was DCAG it was probably too late. The ML _is_ a soccer mom-mobile. (I have little use for SUV's. Gimme a good car, wagon, or truck. Preferably all of them!) In general I agree. However if you have more than 2 kids in car seats, it's really nice to have a third row of seats to take the family anywhere. I still miss our Dodge Caravan in that regard (though not the plague of electrical problems it had). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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:14:31 + Received: from STREIB ([12.2.42.59]) by odin.envisagenow.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:16:39 -0500 Received: by STREIB (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:14:26 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:14:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher McCann's message of Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:56:11 -0800 (PST)) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2007 17:16:39.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[33C45B20:01C76013] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:14:31 - Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Figures. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Diesels too. I want a Sprinter. I can't afford a Sprinter. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann writes: MB has a bunch of minivans - if you live in Europe. Figures. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 06 18:09:08 2007 Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net ([204.127.225.96]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HOe60-0008Ew-AK for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:09:08 + Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c-71-197-225-160.hsd1.or.comcast.net[71.197.225.160]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id 20070306180901b16008luvie; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:09:01 + Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:10:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Upcoming auction items X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:09:08 - The heavy equipment auction is coming up and there are a bunch of goodies for the auto inclined http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore07mar.html ROTARY/FMC SP098-47 6,000 lb, 2-post alignment rack, CONVEY AIR 10 hp, 6-drum dust collector, FMC 7,000 lb alignment rack, WHEELTRONIC 11144 11,000 lb, 2-post automotive lifts, WESTERN, GILBARCO 9,000 lb, 2-post automotive lifts 1995 MERCEDES S420, V8, auto, loaded 1995 MERCEDES S320, V8, auto loaded 2000 MERCEDES ML430 4x4, V8, auto, loaded might be of interest and you can bid live online -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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You do get a 3rd row (up to big kids size) in the GL CDI, available in the USA (45 states, perhaps more since it is a big, heavy beast). Look it up on the MBUSA site. Werner - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not upscale enough for MBUSA. And by the time it was DCAG it was probably too late. The ML _is_ a soccer mom-mobile. (I have little use for SUV's. Gimme a good car, wagon, or truck. Preferably all of them!) In general I agree. However if you have more than 2 kids in car seats, it's really nice to have a third row of seats to take the family anywhere. I still miss our Dodge Caravan in that regard (though not the plague of electrical problems it had). Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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They have the A class in Europe...but it never made it over here and we can only talk about that on a Friday...(hint hint) Bob Rentfro '77 300D 168K '87 Acura Legend 182K Goodyear, AZ - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:20 AM Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 3/6/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan For the very reason you just quoted. As others have pointed out, MB does have minivans in europe. But in Europe, MB is more of a GM. Here they have to be luxury because that is who they sell to in the US. MB builds everything, from the Smart sized to Semi's. But they just would not have been able to compete with Chrysler on their home turf. VW knows this as well, and is why they will be selling an 08 Caravan with VW badging. Even Ford and Chevy have kind of given up in the mini van segment. Their examples just don't have the same winning feel. Which is too bad, I loved the Astro. Chrysler owns the US minivan segment, everyone else is just kind of also rans. Although much of that is my own opinion. Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
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MB firetrucks and garbage trucks too. Would love to see an MB garbage truck. Chris Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/6/07, Allan Streib wrote: Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan For the very reason you just quoted. As others have pointed out, MB does have minivans in europe. But in Europe, MB is more of a GM. Here they have to be luxury because that is who they sell to in the US. MB builds everything, from the Smart sized to Semi's. But they just would not have been able to compete with Chrysler on their home turf. VW knows this as well, and is why they will be selling an 08 Caravan with VW badging. Even Ford and Chevy have kind of given up in the mini van segment. Their examples just don't have the same winning feel. Which is too bad, I loved the Astro. Chrysler owns the US minivan segment, everyone else is just kind of also rans. Although much of that is my own opinion. Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, happy customer of austerlitzshepherds.com Ohne Zucht keine Leistung, ohne Leistung keine Zucht! -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz) Freude an der Arbeit: Hoechste Leistung - Mercedes-Benz. -1985 300SD, 220K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 06 21:16:03 2007 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.233]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HOh0t-0005Ib-KE for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:16:03 + Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s16so2115447wxc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.23.1 with SMTP id 1mr8652041wxw.1173215755826; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.130.1 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:15:55 -0500 From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Re: OSX users X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:16:03 - On 3/6/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i keep hearing people say that, but after locating every shortcut everyone could tell me about (including the folks at Apple stores and online support), i still find the Mac lacking in that department in several major examples. (finding the basic Command shortcuts was easy enough, as finding these things *should* be.) Ernest, Ctrl-F2 - Highlights the Apple Menu, from there you can cursor to the menu you need. Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
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I think the new R Class is MBs minivan. Also, all minivans have undergone a transformation from looking like a little van to more of a large station wagon with an upright drivers area. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan
Don't you think the M class is sort of a minivan as well? Does not have sliding side doors but apart from that sort of van like rather than SUV like if you ask me. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why no minivan I think the new R Class is MBs minivan. Also, all minivans have undergone a transformation from looking like a little van to more of a large station wagon with an upright drivers area. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [MBZ] Why no minivan Anyone know why MB never came out with a minivan. Especially with the purchase of Chrysler the inventor of the minivan (not sure what they thought the VW bus was). Seems like they'd sell like hotcakes to upscale soccer moms. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
