Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I wonder if anyone has ever been buried in their Mercedes; sitting up at the 
wheel; like others have in several makes? 

On Tue, 10 May 2016 16:25:07 -0500
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Mine is. And also to retain my fleet of cars. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 10, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?
> > 
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
> >> planning for it:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
> >> 
> >> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
> >> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
>  On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> >> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> >> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> >> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> >> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> >> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> >> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> >> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> >> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> >> best.
> >>> 
> >>> clay
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>  
>  Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> >> to
>  lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>  government run death camps...
>  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I remember that as well, although not in WI.
> I had a chance to enter the water chemistry graduate program on the Madison 
> campus Bacak in The Day.  Did I go wrong in enrolling at the U of Minn and 
> pursuing geology instead?
~
Probably.
Otherwise you might now be involved in the exciting job of converting sewage 
into drinking water. 

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."


Nope, the urge to reproduce clearly beats it by a nose.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.



The local hospital in Charlotte employs about 90% of the general practitioners 
in town. They don't advertise it, but if their office is in a hospital owned 
building there's a near certainty that your bill will come from the hospital's 
billing department no matter what name the practice goes by.


For instance, my doctor's business name is Family Care Specialists, but as near 
as I can tell he's a fully owned employee of Hayes-Green-Beech Hospital.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mine is. And also to retain my fleet of cars. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
>> planning for it:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
>> 
>> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
>> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
>> to
 lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
 government run death camps...
 


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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My obgyn doc cousin finally gave up her independent practice when after 
paying her nurse and desk person, and the huge ins premiums, she was 
taking home less than either of her people while spending a lot more 
time working than they did.


She took up going to auctions and yard and garage sales, buying various 
tchotchkes and selling them on ebay sorta part time, and was making more 
money while "working" about 1/4 as much with no headaches.  After awhile 
she started working for a fat farm/spa sort of place as their resident 
doc for a salary 3d/wk, no worries, steady income, set her own schedule...


--R

On 5/10/16 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.

And that was in 1996.

Another friend of ours in the same area was (she’s now retired) an OB-GYN.  She 
did a lot of low income care, subsidized by Medicare. She told me more than 
once if she did it as a community service and couldn’t see how anyone could 
make a living on the lousy fees that were offered for services.

Dan

  

On May 10, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
sense is that they earn a decent living.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.

As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:


WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to

lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death

Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of

life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
light
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The ones who are independent practitioners have been abandoning gummint 
contracts because of the overhead and low payments.  Docs with larger 
institutions, or larger practices, where they can make $$ on other 
things and make up the losses on providing gummint care are doing OK but 
they are also making adjustments.


--BB

On 5/10/16 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My 
sense is that they earn a decent living.


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is
impossible to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up
medicare as the reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas,
where there is a dearth of medical care, you look at a lot of the
docs and you will see names that are not "historically American."
These docs seem to have figured out how to make a go of it, not
necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.  I have
related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of
"health" care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is
unsustainable.

As reimbursements decline further due to
Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or whatever other gummint scheme
comes along, you will see no doc offering services to holders of
those plans, or long waiting times to get to the docs who still
do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program,
but the reality is that the system is already moving toward
providing less than acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH
has been plagued by crap service and multiple studies that
showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not
be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother
is finding that what used to be easy to book appointments are
months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments are
not covered or available, and the common response is to
purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically
Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then
volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become
hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get
industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going
to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via
Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As long as these end of life discussions are
characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via
Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
wrote:

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any
discussion of the end of
life so far too many people think granny is going
to live forever. Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised
when the traffic light
changes from green to red, a completely
predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more
surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com
<mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com>>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com
<mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>>; Mercedes
Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
    Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spout

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[clay via Mercedes]

I jumped ship when my internist left his practice to join a concierge service.  
There was far too much overhead and not enough income to pay for the 
administrative costs.  Medicaide pays nothing, insco drags feet for over 120 
days, and gives a fraction as payment.  He had to pretty much be factory worker 
seeing people for five to ten minutes then rush to the next person.  The shop 
would have made more renting the rooms out to hookers.  

My doc took over his father's practice and was at three docs when  I found him, 
 He fled when there were seven and they could no longer cover costs.  That shop 
is still there, plugging away while the Titanic sinks.  My medic is now able to 
give me all the time needed, in a relaxed and thoughtful manner.  He can afford 
to send his kids to college, where they are racking up debt to become healers, 
but at least they will not be enslaved to the debt

clay

On May 10, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
> sense is that they earn a decent living.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
>> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
>> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
>> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
>> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
>> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
>> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
>> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
>> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>> 
>> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
>> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
>> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
>> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>> 
>> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>> 
>> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>>> government run death camps...
>>>> 
>>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
>>>> their
>>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been that way for years, buddy.

My neighbor in Wisconsin was a pediatrician who had to go into a clinical 
practice because there was no way she could make a living in a private 
practice.  Between the lousy payouts from the insurance companies and the cost 
of malpractice insurance, it’s impossible for a physician to make it on their 
own or in a small practice.

And that was in 1996.

Another friend of ours in the same area was (she’s now retired) an OB-GYN.  She 
did a lot of low income care, subsidized by Medicare. She told me more than 
once if she did it as a community service and couldn’t see how anyone could 
make a living on the lousy fees that were offered for services.

Dan

 
> On May 10, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
> sense is that they earn a decent living.
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
>> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
>> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
>> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
>> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
>> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
>> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
>> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
>> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>> 
>> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
>> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
>> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
>> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>> 
>> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>> 
>> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>>> government run death camps...
>>>> 
>>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
>>>> their
>>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>>>>> granny dying. In both

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Really?  I didn't know doctors were going broke treating patients.  My
sense is that they earn a decent living.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is impossible
> to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare as the
> reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is a dearth
> of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see names that
> are not "historically American." These docs seem to have figured out how to
> make a go of it, not necessarily by actually providing what they bill for.
> I have related in the past the reimbursement for say, a visit to an
> oncologist by a cancer patient, and no matter what your view of "health"
> care insurance of the gummint type is, you can see it is unsustainable.
>
> As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer or
> whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc offering
> services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to get to the
> docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already happening...
>
> "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
>
> "If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
>> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
>> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
>> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
>> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
>> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
>> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
>> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
>> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
>> best.
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>>> government run death camps...
>>>
>>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
>>> their
>>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
>>>>> Those
>>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
>>>>> light
>>>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>>>> happen than when they do.
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>
>>>>>   From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>>>>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>>>>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>>>>>
>>>> joint...
>>>>
>>>>> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
>>>>> fierce independence, in both cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both
>>>>> were

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Part of that problem is that many docs are realizing that it is 
impossible to cover costs, much less make any money, serving up medicare 
as the reimbursements are laughably low.  In rural areas, where there is 
a dearth of medical care, you look at a lot of the docs and you will see 
names that are not "historically American." These docs seem to have 
figured out how to make a go of it, not necessarily by actually 
providing what they bill for.  I have related in the past the 
reimbursement for say, a visit to an oncologist by a cancer patient, and 
no matter what your view of "health" care insurance of the gummint type 
is, you can see it is unsustainable.


As reimbursements decline further due to Obamacare/medicare/singlepayer 
or whatever other gummint scheme comes along, you will see no doc 
offering services to holders of those plans, or long waiting times to 
get to the docs who still do, for some reason.  Oh wait, that is already 
happening...


"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

"If you like your health [medical] care plan, you can keep your plan"

--R

On 5/10/16 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality is 
that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even now 
in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be easy to 
book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments 
are not covered or available, and the common response is to purchase over the 
counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
happen than when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder

joint...

brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
fierce independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
case" 

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]


|  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't

admit

their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to

"prevent

mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her

in

surgery in the first place.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Dis

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is your advanced directive "cryo-freeze and maintain" by any chance?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and
> planning for it:
>
>
> http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis
>
> Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and
> kick any family member's ass who tries to subvert it
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> best.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> to
> >> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> >> government run death camps...
> >>
> >> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> >> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> >> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
> their
> >> lifetime of labor with short death?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama
> Death
> >>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end
> of
> >>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever.
> Those
> >>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> >>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic
> light
> >>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> >>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they
> DON'T
> >>>> happen than when they do.
> >>>> -Curt
> >>>>
> >>>> From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> >>>> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >>>>
> > WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the
> reality is that the system is already moving toward providing less than
> acceptable outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service
> and multiple studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more
> prone to not be given care that would result in extended life spans.  That
> is going on even now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding
> that what used to be easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors
> are fewer to be found, treatments are not covered or available, and the
> common response is to purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the
> best.
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language
> to
> >> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> >> government run death camps...
> >>
> >> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> >> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> >> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward
> their
> >> lifetime of labor with short death?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 10, 

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is a really interesting and insightful study regarding death and planning 
for it:

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/03/05/286126451/living-wills-are-the-talk-of-the-town-in-la-crosse-wis

Dan who has an advanced directive and will come back from the grave and kick 
any family member's ass who tries to subvert it

Sent from my iPad

> On May 10, 2016, at 2:53 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
> given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even 
> now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be 
> easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, 
> treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is to 
> purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>> government run death camps...
>> 
>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
>>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
>>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>>> happen than when they do.
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>>> 
> WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality 
> is that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
> outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
> studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
> given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even 
> now in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be 
> easy to book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, 
> treatments are not covered or available, and the common response is to 
> purchase over the counter solutions and hope for the best.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
>> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
>> government run death camps...
>> 
>> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
>> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
>> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
>> lifetime of labor with short death?
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to li

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[clay via Mercedes]

WE can all moan about some evil overlord death camp program, but the reality is 
that the system is already moving toward providing less than acceptable 
outcomes for all ages.  UK NIH has been plagued by crap service and multiple 
studies that showed the infirm with co-morbid issues are more prone to not be 
given care that would result in extended life spans.  That is going on even now 
in the good old US of A.  My own mother is finding that what used to be easy to 
book appointments are months out, the doctors are fewer to be found, treatments 
are not covered or available, and the common response is to purchase over the 
counter solutions and hope for the best.

clay


On May 10, 2016, at 10:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
> lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
> government run death camps...
> 
> Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
> control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
> production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
> lifetime of labor with short death?
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
>> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>> 
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
>>> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
>>> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
>>> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
>>> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
>>> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
>>> happen than when they do.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>>> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
>>> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
>>> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
>> joint...
>>> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
>>> fierce independence, in both cases.
>>> 
>>> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
>>> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
>>> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
>>> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
>>> case" 
>>> 
>>> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>>> 
>>> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
>>> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, absolutely yes!
>>> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
>> admit
>>> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
>> "prevent
>>> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
>>> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
>>> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
>>> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
>>> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
>>> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her
>> in
>>> surgery in the first place.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>>> 
>>> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
>> of
>>> death is medical erro

Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes, it's very important that we only use Politically Correct language to
lure the unsuspecting people into funding then volunteering for the
government run death camps...

Must not upset the masses with reality.. they might become hard to
control.. How could we run the collective farms and get industrial
production if they became upset or suspected we were going to reward their
lifetime of labor with short death?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
> Squads we won't get anywhere.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> > life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> > people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> > In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
> > changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> > granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> > happen than when they do.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> >  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> > caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> > compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder
> joint...
> > brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> > fierce independence, in both cases.
> >
> > One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
> > refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> > given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> > however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> > case" 
> >
> > That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
> >
> > As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> > [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
> >
> >
> > |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, absolutely yes!
> > Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't
> admit
> > their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to
> "prevent
> > mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> > We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> > sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> > granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> > because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> > it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her
> in
> > surgery in the first place.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
> >
> > Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause
> of
> > death is medical errors.
> >
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But I repeat myself...
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > >> Southern Redneck Crackers
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > --BB
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

As long as these end of life discussions are characterized as Obama Death
Squads we won't get anywhere.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of
> life so far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those
> people sue their doc when granny dies and thus...
> In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light
> changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like
> granny dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T
> happen than when they do.
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
> caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
> compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint...
> brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
> fierce independence, in both cases.
>
> One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
> refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
> given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
> however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
> case" 
>
> That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...
>
> As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
> [The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]
>
>
> |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in
> surgery in the first place.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
>
> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
> >>
> >
> > --
> > --BB
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup, we in the USA, aren't allowed to have any discussion of the end of life so 
far too many people think granny is going to live forever. Those people sue 
their doc when granny dies and thus...
In a similar vein are the people who are surprised when the traffic light 
changes from green to red, a completely predictable action, just like granny 
dying. In both cases we should be more surprised when they DON'T happen than 
when they do.
-Curt

  From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
   
On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were caring 
for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered compound 
fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint... brittle 
bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and fierce 
independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were 
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons given 
did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone, however was, 
"my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this case"  

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks... 

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense." 
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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the first 
place.
-Curt

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Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

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>> Southern Redneck Crackers
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

On that note.. I have, in the past 2 months, had two friends who were
caring for their 95 & 97 yr old mothers. Each mother fell and suffered
compound fracture of the upper right arm, just below the shoulder joint...
brittle bones, age, and osteoporosis, compounded by unstable stance and
fierce independence, in both cases.

One had full coverage insurance... the other something less .. both were
refused treatment by doctors.. other than to stabilize the arm. Reasons
given did not match the injuries in either case... the underlying tone,
however was, "my medical malpractice insurance won't let me touch this
case" 

That's what we have litigated ourselves into, folks...

As my Father often said, "You can't legislate common sense."
[The wisdom of 11 terms in House of Representatives.]

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> Yes, absolutely yes!
> Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit
> their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent
> mistakes" which generally make things worse.
> We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and
> sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If
> granny goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not
> because of a preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for
> it. Actually the doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in
> surgery in the first place.
> -Curt
>
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
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>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
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> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
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I'm pretty sure Stupid is a Compound, not an Element ... Just my
observation.

Even "Just plain stupid" isn't.


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> Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
> death is medical errors.
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > But I repeat myself...
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Southern Redneck Crackers
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Yes, absolutely yes!
Malpractice lawyers mean that doctors and hospitals absolutely can't admit 
their mistakes so they have to come up with convoluted systems to "prevent 
mistakes" which generally make things worse.
We have to learn to admit that the body is fantastically complicated and 
sometimes things happen. Are some medical errors preventable? Sure. If granny 
goes in for surgery at 95 years old and dies its probably not because of a 
preventable error and the family shouldn't get any money for it. Actually the 
doc that should get in trouble is the one that put her in surgery in the first 
place.
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:25 PM
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Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But I repeat myself...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sure you want to do away with malpractice lawyers?  Third leading cause of
death is medical errors.

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> But I repeat myself...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
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>> Southern Redneck Crackers
>>
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The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity and I'm 
not sure about hydrogen...
I forget who said it although its often mis-atributed to Mark Twain, still true 
none the less...
-Curt

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I respectfully submit that it is not just Southern Redneck Crackers who
make application to the Darwin Award Competitions In fact.. it seems to
have a universal appeal,,

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."

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> Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.
>
> It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"
>
> --BB
>
> On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
>> liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
>> I wonder?
>>
>> Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why
>> is
>> that, I wonder?
>>
>> The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
>> liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
>> commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless
>>
>> Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
>> really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?
>>
>> "Here, hold my beer and watch this."
>>
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But I repeat myself...

--R

On 5/10/16 12:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Southern Redneck Crackers


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I respectfully submit that it is not just Southern Redneck Crackers who
make application to the Darwin Award Competitions In fact.. it seems to
have a universal appeal,,

"Stupid is apparently the most powerful force on the earth."


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On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.
>
> It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"
>
> --BB
>
> On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
>> liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
>> I wonder?
>>
>> Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why
>> is
>> that, I wonder?
>>
>> The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
>> liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
>> commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless
>>
>> Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
>> really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?
>>
>> "Here, hold my beer and watch this."
>>
>
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Sir, I must unrespectfully disagree.

It's "Hey y'all ho mah beer n watchiss!"

--BB

On 5/10/16 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
I wonder?

Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why is
that, I wonder?

The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless

Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?

"Here, hold my beer and watch this."


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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Product liability lawsuits are always filed for the amount of the product
liability insurance limit held by the "offending company" ... Why is that,
I wonder?

Funny thing.. you buy more insurance, and you get sued more often... Why is
that, I wonder?

The hypothetical question comes: What if we just required a release of
liability upon purchase of a product that says.. If I use this product to
commit suicide by stupid you are held harmless

Then.. The Darwin Awards would be still populated with people who did
really stupid things which caused their own death.. wouldn't they?

"Here, hold my beer and watch this."


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> Paging Johnny Edwards...
>
> --R
>
> On 5/9/16 9:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued shysters
>> on
>> the jury - - -
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!
>>>
>>> Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
>>> What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it
>>> explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
>>> reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad
>>> Idea,
>>> regardless of how fancy the gas can.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?




>>> https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
>>>
 Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
 Marketplace reports.

 Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
 when used to pour gasoline onto fires.



 

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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Paging Johnny Edwards...

--R

On 5/9/16 9:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued shysters on
the jury - - -

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!

Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it
explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad Idea,
regardless of how fancy the gas can.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?




https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/

Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
Marketplace reports.

Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
when used to pour gasoline onto fires.





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I think a better explanation is a government-controlled education system that 
teaches dependence and hate for capitalism, rather than individual 
responsibility and liberty and a knowledge of free market economics.
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On May 9, 2016 9:49:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes  
wrote:
>You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued
>shysters on
>the jury - - -
>
>On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!
>>
>> Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
>> What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if
>it
>> explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
>> reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad
>Idea,
>> regardless of how fancy the gas can.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
>> >
>> >Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three
>lawyers,
>> >Marketplace reports.
>> >
>> >Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
>> >when used to pour gasoline onto fires.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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You're not taking into account the effect of the silver tongued shysters on
the jury - - -

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!
>
> Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.
> What moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it
> explodes when gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a
> reasonable man would decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad Idea,
> regardless of how fancy the gas can.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?
> >
> >
> >
> https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
> >
> >Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
> >Marketplace reports.
> >
> >Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
> >when used to pour gasoline onto fires.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wow, I'm sure Trump will fix that!

Seriously, this is Exhibit A for What is Wrong With Our Legal System.  What 
moronic jury would decide that the gas can must be at fault if it explodes when 
gas is poured on to a fire?  Hello, I'm pretty sure a reasonable man would 
decide that pouring gasoline on a fire is a Bad Idea, regardless of how fancy 
the gas can.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On May 9, 2016 4:56:01 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?
>
>
>https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
>
>Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
>Marketplace reports.
>
>Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode
>when used to pour gasoline onto fires.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

DING! DING! DING!   We have a winner!




A good start.
Isn't it funny how 99% of lawyers give the 1% a bad name?
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
  

The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers...W.S.

-Curt


My friend who ran a grain elevator in the 80s farm meltdown wanted
"Open season, NO bag limit" on shysters.  I still think that is the
best solution!

What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A good start.
Isn't it funny how 99% of lawyers give the 1% a bad name?
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts
   
>The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers...W.S.
>
>-Curt

My friend who ran a grain elevator in the 80s farm meltdown wanted 
"Open season, NO bag limit" on shysters.  I still think that is the 
best solution!

What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?


  
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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers...W.S.

-Curt


My friend who ran a grain elevator in the 80s farm meltdown wanted 
"Open season, NO bag limit" on shysters.  I still think that is the 
best solution!


What do you call 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

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Re: [MBZ] fuel cans - spouts

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Why would anyone attempt to fill a gas tank with a Blatz can? We always
used kegs, with the little hose and all right on there...
On May 9, 2016 1:56 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?
>
>
>
> https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/
>
> Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers,
> Marketplace reports.
>
> Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode when
> used to pour gasoline onto fires.
>
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The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers...W.S.

-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 4:56 PM
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Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?

https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/Most
 of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers, Marketplace 
reports.Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode 
when used to pour gasoline onto fires.
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ever wonder what happened to Blitz Cans?https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/Most of lawsuits against Blitz were brought by the same three lawyers, Marketplace reports.Lawsuits have accused the company of making faulty cans that explode when used to pour gasoline onto fires.
 

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I remember that as well, although not in WI.

I had a chance to enter the water chemistry graduate program on the Madison
campus Bacak in The Day.  Did I go wrong in enrolling at the U of Minn and
pursuing geology instead?

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I was a poor college student at UW Madison, I ran out of gas just a
> couple blocks from a gas station, so I hiked over to get some gas.  I found
> that either the city or the state has passed a law outlawing the practice
> of gas stations loaning out gas cans to stranded motorists.  Apparently one
> too many WI citizens had removed themselves from the gene pool, spilling
> gasoline and then catching fire, so they passed a law to "fix that".
> Result: all gas stations sold gas cans, so I had to spend a few bucks
> (precious funds better spent on beer) to purchase a gas can and then a buy
> the gallon of gas to get rolling again.  I'm sure that this law prevented
> all future self-immolation eventsor maybe it just enriched gas station
> owners?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Contrary to the royal edicts of the Peoples Republic of Kookifornia, you
> > can not legislate common sense.
> >
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

When I was a poor college student at UW Madison, I ran out of gas just a
couple blocks from a gas station, so I hiked over to get some gas.  I found
that either the city or the state has passed a law outlawing the practice
of gas stations loaning out gas cans to stranded motorists.  Apparently one
too many WI citizens had removed themselves from the gene pool, spilling
gasoline and then catching fire, so they passed a law to "fix that".
Result: all gas stations sold gas cans, so I had to spend a few bucks
(precious funds better spent on beer) to purchase a gas can and then a buy
the gallon of gas to get rolling again.  I'm sure that this law prevented
all future self-immolation eventsor maybe it just enriched gas station
owners?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
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> Contrary to the royal edicts of the Peoples Republic of Kookifornia, you
> can not legislate common sense.
>
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This is the tip of the iceberg.  I hear that Pres. Hillary's first official
act will be to outlaw funnels!

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Contrary to the royal edicts of the Peoples Republic of Kookifornia, you
> can not legislate common sense.
>
> Recently, I stopped to assist a motorist at the side of the road.. they had
> run out of gas. This was apparently a common event because they had a spare
> gas container in the trunk, with gas in it.. It had no nozzle, and the cap
> was loose and leaking. As soon as the trunk opened you could almost see the
> fuel fumes coming out.
>
> The agitated woman driver very belligerently advised me she didn't need any
> help and could handle it, so I stepped back and watched as she tried to
> pour fuel from the Blitz container, with no nozzle, directly into the fill
> port... drenching herself in gas and the side of the car, with a puddle
> under the side of the car..
> [Hey.. it's cheaper than renting a three stooges movie, right?]
>
> Scratch one set of nice shoes and a business dress. I noted a wedding ring,
> so I sent up a prayer for the poor devil who wakes up to her each morning..
> and again offered to help.. which was now accepted, with a lecture about
> how she was late for work anyway..
>
> I just happen to carry a spare Blitz fill nozzle in my truck tool box, with
> an attached flex hose reducer to fill generator tanks [small fill port
> size]... Installed same, put fuel in tank.. started car.. woman drove
> off... leaving the spare Blitz fuel tank setting at side of road.. I
> collected it.. and continued on my way.
>
> I do so hope she has some other talents besides operating machinery.. ;))
> The country phrase that covers her is, "She couldn't pour pizz out'ta a
> boot if the instructions were written on tha heel."
>
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>
> > This is as it should be, our benevolent gummint watching out for our,
> > something, while spending and causing to be spent billions of legal
> tenders.
> >
> > --R (sent from my miniPad)
> >
> > On May 8, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had a couple of fuel cans i have picked up along the way with no
> > spouts.  I decided to get some spouts this week and boy is that a trick!
> >
> > Apparently bug brud"DUH" bumster has decreed from on high that we can't
> > buy a gas can anymore unless it has some mickey mouse malfunctioning
> valve
> > do-HICKEY in it.   I found online a product made in St Looie, called
> > ez-pour that is a regular spout with a cap.  I had 2 brands of 5-6 gal
> jugs
> > and of course they had different cap sizes.
> >
> > I took POSitive out for another 40 miles or so round trip to the nearest
> > farm store (TSC).  They had the regular type, and a high volume type for
> > dissels that won't work in modern vergassers with the tiny fill hole.  I
> > got one of each because if I need to put benzin in both, I can swap the
> > spouts around with the extra caps.  Each spout comes with 2 caps that fit
> > most prastic jugs.
> >
> > If you live in kollyfonia, you can buy their "water jug" spout and use it
> > on a gas jug.  Thanks to moonbeam, you can't buy a spout for gas can in
> PRK
> > and other *ist  run states.
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Contrary to the royal edicts of the Peoples Republic of Kookifornia, you
can not legislate common sense.

Recently, I stopped to assist a motorist at the side of the road.. they had
run out of gas. This was apparently a common event because they had a spare
gas container in the trunk, with gas in it.. It had no nozzle, and the cap
was loose and leaking. As soon as the trunk opened you could almost see the
fuel fumes coming out.

The agitated woman driver very belligerently advised me she didn't need any
help and could handle it, so I stepped back and watched as she tried to
pour fuel from the Blitz container, with no nozzle, directly into the fill
port... drenching herself in gas and the side of the car, with a puddle
under the side of the car..
[Hey.. it's cheaper than renting a three stooges movie, right?]

Scratch one set of nice shoes and a business dress. I noted a wedding ring,
so I sent up a prayer for the poor devil who wakes up to her each morning..
and again offered to help.. which was now accepted, with a lecture about
how she was late for work anyway..

I just happen to carry a spare Blitz fill nozzle in my truck tool box, with
an attached flex hose reducer to fill generator tanks [small fill port
size]... Installed same, put fuel in tank.. started car.. woman drove
off... leaving the spare Blitz fuel tank setting at side of road.. I
collected it.. and continued on my way.

I do so hope she has some other talents besides operating machinery.. ;))
The country phrase that covers her is, "She couldn't pour pizz out'ta a
boot if the instructions were written on tha heel."



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> This is as it should be, our benevolent gummint watching out for our,
> something, while spending and causing to be spent billions of legal tenders.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On May 8, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I had a couple of fuel cans i have picked up along the way with no
> spouts.  I decided to get some spouts this week and boy is that a trick!
>
> Apparently bug brud"DUH" bumster has decreed from on high that we can't
> buy a gas can anymore unless it has some mickey mouse malfunctioning valve
> do-HICKEY in it.   I found online a product made in St Looie, called
> ez-pour that is a regular spout with a cap.  I had 2 brands of 5-6 gal jugs
> and of course they had different cap sizes.
>
> I took POSitive out for another 40 miles or so round trip to the nearest
> farm store (TSC).  They had the regular type, and a high volume type for
> dissels that won't work in modern vergassers with the tiny fill hole.  I
> got one of each because if I need to put benzin in both, I can swap the
> spouts around with the extra caps.  Each spout comes with 2 caps that fit
> most prastic jugs.
>
> If you live in kollyfonia, you can buy their "water jug" spout and use it
> on a gas jug.  Thanks to moonbeam, you can't buy a spout for gas can in PRK
> and other *ist  run states.
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[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

This is as it should be, our benevolent gummint watching out for our, 
something, while spending and causing to be spent billions of legal tenders. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On May 8, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

I had a couple of fuel cans i have picked up along the way with no spouts.  I 
decided to get some spouts this week and boy is that a trick!

Apparently bug brud"DUH" bumster has decreed from on high that we can't buy a 
gas can anymore unless it has some mickey mouse malfunctioning valve do-HICKEY 
in it.   I found online a product made in St Looie, called ez-pour that is a 
regular spout with a cap.  I had 2 brands of 5-6 gal jugs and of course they 
had different cap sizes.

I took POSitive out for another 40 miles or so round trip to the nearest farm 
store (TSC).  They had the regular type, and a high volume type for dissels 
that won't work in modern vergassers with the tiny fill hole.  I got one of 
each because if I need to put benzin in both, I can swap the spouts around with 
the extra caps.  Each spout comes with 2 caps that fit most prastic jugs.

If you live in kollyfonia, you can buy their "water jug" spout and use it on a 
gas jug.  Thanks to moonbeam, you can't buy a spout for gas can in PRK and 
other *ist  run states.

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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I had a couple of fuel cans i have picked up along the way with no 
spouts.  I decided to get some spouts this week and boy is that a 
trick!


Apparently bug brud"DUH" bumster has decreed from on high that we 
can't buy a gas can anymore unless it has some mickey mouse 
malfunctioning valve do-HICKEY in it.   I found online a product made 
in St Looie, called ez-pour that is a regular spout with a cap.  I 
had 2 brands of 5-6 gal jugs and of course they had different cap 
sizes.


I took POSitive out for another 40 miles or so round trip to the 
nearest farm store (TSC).  They had the regular type, and a high 
volume type for dissels that won't work in modern vergassers with the 
tiny fill hole.  I got one of each because if I need to put benzin in 
both, I can swap the spouts around with the extra caps.  Each spout 
comes with 2 caps that fit most prastic jugs.


If you live in kollyfonia, you can buy their "water jug" spout and 
use it on a gas jug.  Thanks to moonbeam, you can't buy a spout for 
gas can in PRK and other *ist  run states.


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