Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think somebody posted earlier today they're Danish. I just checked and I 
think thats true...
-Curt

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Curt wrote:
> That would be true for a no-name brand but Nissens is not that.

Thanks for that tidbit.
Nissens sounds... Scandinavian?
mao


   
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Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote:
> That would be true for a no-name brand but Nissens is not that.

Thanks for that tidbit.
Nissens sounds... Scandinavian?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
That would be true for a no-name brand but Nissens is not that. For less than 
half the money I wouldn't even consider OEM.
When I was first in college I spent a summer as a delivery driver for an auto 
radiator wholesaler. We pushed our house brand the hardest but considered 
Nissens and Behr of equal quality.
-Curt

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Andrew wrote:
> The OEM Behr radiators are back in production and just a day or two away.
> $421.60 net. "

There is no way to know for sure, but I bet OEM at that price will
keep you from wrenching radiators at less frequency.  Cheaper in the
long run.  China or aftermarket may be half price but at twice as
often, OEM is cheap.  However, OEM may be made in china?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote:
> The OEM Behr radiators are back in production and just a day or two away.
> $421.60 net. "

There is no way to know for sure, but I bet OEM at that price will
keep you from wrenching radiators at less frequency.  Cheaper in the
long run.  China or aftermarket may be half price but at twice as
often, OEM is cheap.  However, OEM may be made in china?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Just heard from Tom Hanson at MBUSA:

"Hi Andrew,



The OEM Behr radiators are back in production and just a day or two away.
$421.60 net. "

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
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> the nissens we had was from denmark, i believe
>
> not china as someone said
>
> as in this website
>
> http://www.nissens.com/
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] nissens

2016-03-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Radiator Warehouse carries a PDI radiator for $170.  Looks tough!

http://pdidiesel.com/radiators

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> the nissens we had was from denmark, i believe
>
> not china as someone said
>
> as in this website
>
> http://www.nissens.com/
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
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[MBZ] nissens

2016-03-08 Thread Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
the nissens we had was from denmark, i believe

not china as someone said

as in this website

http://www.nissens.com/


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-18 Thread Hendrik & Fay

It's actually 23 years it takes for a Behr to snap it's neck.

Hendrik
writing in Engrish

Gary Hurst wrote:

the figure that is thrown about by nissens is "30% stronger."  i've never
heard of a nissens neck breaking and even the original unreinforced behr
necks take many years to break.  i'm not sure that comparing new behr with
reinforced neck and nissens with unreinforced is all that meaningful as
neither shows any tendency to break.

it's like the guys who have to have the brass reinforced inline fuel
filters.  i mean, if you find them cool, buy em, but it's not like a cheaper
unreinforced hengst or bosch is going to break on you anyway.  it is pretty
comical how a guy must have brass and then on the same order will buy a
super cheap chinese control arm.  who is he trying to kid?

  
  



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-18 Thread Luther
To answer your last question first, yes, you are missing the point by 
using a nuke to find a needle in a haystack.   See below.



Gary Hurst wrote:
the biggest problem with nissens is not the quality of their product, 
Why didn't you stop here?  That answered my question (telling me they 
are a quality product worthy of my Benz) well enough, no need to bs on 
and on and on and on, my friends.  Cause it's the song that never


Luther


but
that they are difficult to deal with as a company.  they change pricing
often and somewhat capriciously and have very much an "our way or the
highway" attitude.  while nissens has been steadily raising prices, behr has
been keeping their prices in line and even dropping some of them.  as a
consequence, nissens has been losing market share among my customers to behr
and to alternative aftermarket companies such as valeo.

it's a high happiness product though.  i don't think anyone has had any
complaints about them at all until kleb.  then again, i have customers write
to me every day about how they get their parts in one or two business days,
while it somehow takes kleb six weeks to get them.

but again, if you want a behr, then get a behr.  i'm very much a creature of
habit so i tend to gravitate towards the same brands:  behr, bilstein,
stribel, eberspacher, lemforder, sachs, phoenix, beru, graf, akebono, et
al.  i'm very comfortable with the european, north american or japanese made
products of these companies (although some of the stuff from china has been
dissapointing despite claims that they are "identical" to the products
formerly made in germany".  i have no bad feelings about, say, a hepu or a
geuine water pump, but will always use a graf.  i don't dislike bosch plug
wires, but i will always choose a beru or, to save money, karlyns made with
beru or bremi components.  i will always prefer ate slotted rotors for my
front brakes, but i think plane jane zimmerman or balo discs are pretty good
too (in fact, italian made ate or brembo seem to be slightly less
troublesome than the german brands, although i'm avoiding brembo entirely
now as nearly all of their aftermarket rotor production is now chinese).  i
will always choose akebono pads for the front, but can happily recomment
textar/pagid to anyone.  (and i will use chinese crap for the most part on
the rears, but can see why someone else wouldn't).  i will generally prefer
brand new ate brake calipers over rebuilts, but i can see why someone would
want to spend $60 on rebuilts instead of $200 on new ones.

so if you don't like nissens, buy a behr.  i'll generally buy a behr myself,
but still am confident that nissens is a very high quality product.  i only
use mobil1 and brad penn oil, but if you want to use havoline or valvoline,
i'm not going to say you are a bad person using a bad product.

i use a ceramic "steel" to keep the edge on my knives, but you can use a
steel one and get even better results than i do.

is there something here i'm missing about what kleb and luther are trying to
say?


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'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
Nope, you've got it pegged - buy & use the brands you are happy with!

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

the biggest problem with nissens is not the quality of their product, but
that they are difficult to deal with as a company.  they change pricing
often and somewhat capriciously and have very much an "our way or the
highway" attitude.  while nissens has been steadily raising prices, behr has
been keeping their prices in line and even dropping some of them.  as a
consequence, nissens has been losing market share among my customers to behr
and to alternative aftermarket companies such as valeo.

it's a high happiness product though.  i don't think anyone has had any
complaints about them at all until kleb.  then again, i have customers write
to me every day about how they get their parts in one or two business days,
while it somehow takes kleb six weeks to get them.

but again, if you want a behr, then get a behr.  i'm very much a creature of
habit so i tend to gravitate towards the same brands:  behr, bilstein,
stribel, eberspacher, lemforder, sachs, phoenix, beru, graf, akebono, et
al.  i'm very comfortable with the european, north american or japanese made
products of these companies (although some of the stuff from china has been
dissapointing despite claims that they are "identical" to the products
formerly made in germany".  i have no bad feelings about, say, a hepu or a
geuine water pump, but will always use a graf.  i don't dislike bosch plug
wires, but i will always choose a beru or, to save money, karlyns made with
beru or bremi components.  i will always prefer ate slotted rotors for my
front brakes, but i think plane jane zimmerman or balo discs are pretty good
too (in fact, italian made ate or brembo seem to be slightly less
troublesome than the german brands, although i'm avoiding brembo entirely
now as nearly all of their aftermarket rotor production is now chinese).  i
will always choose akebono pads for the front, but can happily recomment
textar/pagid to anyone.  (and i will use chinese crap for the most part on
the rears, but can see why someone else wouldn't).  i will generally prefer
brand new ate brake calipers over rebuilts, but i can see why someone would
want to spend $60 on rebuilts instead of $200 on new ones.

so if you don't like nissens, buy a behr.  i'll generally buy a behr myself,
but still am confident that nissens is a very high quality product.  i only
use mobil1 and brad penn oil, but if you want to use havoline or valvoline,
i'm not going to say you are a bad person using a bad product.

i use a ceramic "steel" to keep the edge on my knives, but you can use a
steel one and get even better results than i do.

is there something here i'm missing about what kleb and luther are trying to
say?

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> True, and Gary states that it's not needed.
>
> I've put Nissens in a lot of Mercedes and they are good parts.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924 <http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/%0A256-656-1924>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Luther
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr
>
> If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
> reinforced neck that the Behr does.
>
> Luther
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
> > behr so reinorcement not needed
> >
> > On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >
> >> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
> >> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For
some
> >> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
> >> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
> >> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
> >> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>
> --
>  Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Gary Hurst
the biggest problem with nissens is not the quality of their product, but
that they are difficult to deal with as a company.  they change pricing
often and somewhat capriciously and have very much an "our way or the
highway" attitude.  while nissens has been steadily raising prices, behr has
been keeping their prices in line and even dropping some of them.  as a
consequence, nissens has been losing market share among my customers to behr
and to alternative aftermarket companies such as valeo.

it's a high happiness product though.  i don't think anyone has had any
complaints about them at all until kleb.  then again, i have customers write
to me every day about how they get their parts in one or two business days,
while it somehow takes kleb six weeks to get them.

but again, if you want a behr, then get a behr.  i'm very much a creature of
habit so i tend to gravitate towards the same brands:  behr, bilstein,
stribel, eberspacher, lemforder, sachs, phoenix, beru, graf, akebono, et
al.  i'm very comfortable with the european, north american or japanese made
products of these companies (although some of the stuff from china has been
dissapointing despite claims that they are "identical" to the products
formerly made in germany".  i have no bad feelings about, say, a hepu or a
geuine water pump, but will always use a graf.  i don't dislike bosch plug
wires, but i will always choose a beru or, to save money, karlyns made with
beru or bremi components.  i will always prefer ate slotted rotors for my
front brakes, but i think plane jane zimmerman or balo discs are pretty good
too (in fact, italian made ate or brembo seem to be slightly less
troublesome than the german brands, although i'm avoiding brembo entirely
now as nearly all of their aftermarket rotor production is now chinese).  i
will always choose akebono pads for the front, but can happily recomment
textar/pagid to anyone.  (and i will use chinese crap for the most part on
the rears, but can see why someone else wouldn't).  i will generally prefer
brand new ate brake calipers over rebuilts, but i can see why someone would
want to spend $60 on rebuilts instead of $200 on new ones.

so if you don't like nissens, buy a behr.  i'll generally buy a behr myself,
but still am confident that nissens is a very high quality product.  i only
use mobil1 and brad penn oil, but if you want to use havoline or valvoline,
i'm not going to say you are a bad person using a bad product.

i use a ceramic "steel" to keep the edge on my knives, but you can use a
steel one and get even better results than i do.

is there something here i'm missing about what kleb and luther are trying to
say?

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> True, and Gary states that it's not needed.
>
> I've put Nissens in a lot of Mercedes and they are good parts.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924 <http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/%0A256-656-1924>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Luther
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:29 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr
>
> If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
> reinforced neck that the Behr does.
>
> Luther
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
> > behr so reinorcement not needed
> >
> > On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >
> >> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
> >> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
> >> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
> >> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
> >> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
> >> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>
> --
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> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
True, and Gary states that it's not needed.

I've put Nissens in a lot of Mercedes and they are good parts.

Thanks,
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On Behalf Of Luther
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal 
reinforced neck that the Behr does.

Luther

Gary Hurst wrote:
> Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
> behr so reinorcement not needed
>
> On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>   
>> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
>> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
>> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
>> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
>> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
>> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.

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'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Gary Hurst
the figure that is thrown about by nissens is "30% stronger."  i've never
heard of a nissens neck breaking and even the original unreinforced behr
necks take many years to break.  i'm not sure that comparing new behr with
reinforced neck and nissens with unreinforced is all that meaningful as
neither shows any tendency to break.

it's like the guys who have to have the brass reinforced inline fuel
filters.  i mean, if you find them cool, buy em, but it's not like a cheaper
unreinforced hengst or bosch is going to break on you anyway.  it is pretty
comical how a guy must have brass and then on the same order will buy a
super cheap chinese control arm.  who is he trying to kid?

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Luther  wrote:

> Is the Nissens plastic that much superior to the Behr?
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> Yes, because it doesn't need to.
>>
>> On 5/17/09, Luther  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
>>> reinforced neck that the Behr does.
>>>
>>> Luther
>>>
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
 behr so reinorcement not needed

 On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:



> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For
> some
> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>

>>  --
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> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Gary Hurst
Yes, because it doesn't need to.

On 5/17/09, Luther  wrote:
> If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
> reinforced neck that the Behr does.
>
> Luther
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>> Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
>> behr so reinorcement not needed
>>
>> On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>
>>> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
>>> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
>>> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
>>> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
>>> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
>>> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Luther

Is the Nissens plastic that much superior to the Behr?

Gary Hurst wrote:

Yes, because it doesn't need to.

On 5/17/09, Luther  wrote:
  

If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal
reinforced neck that the Behr does.

Luther

Gary Hurst wrote:


Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
behr so reinorcement not needed

On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

  

Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Luther
If you read Kaleb's email, he said the Nissens did NOT have the metal 
reinforced neck that the Behr does.


Luther

Gary Hurst wrote:

Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
behr so reinorcement not needed

On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
  

Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.


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'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Oh, Im not bitching, just saying this particular installation required a 
slight modification


Gary Hurst wrote:

Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
behr so reinorcement not needed

On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
  

Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Gary Hurst
Nissens not as expensive either.  Also, neck much stronger than on
behr so reinorcement not needed

On 5/17/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.
> Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some
> reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on
> the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got
> in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also
> does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr.
>
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[MBZ] Nissens radiators not as good as Behr

2009-05-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Got my Nissens from Rusty, spent today trying to install it in my E300.  
Not quite an exact fit, had to do some okie engineering on it.  For some 
reason, it has the tab deal that runs along the length up and down on 
the drivers side of the radiator.  The Behr does not have this. It got 
in the way of the radiator fitting good so I had to cut it off. It also 
does not have the metal reinforced neck like the behr. 


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84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-08 Thread Rusty Cullens

Yes, boss.

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Im going to call you in the morning, you better make me a steal of  a 
deal.


Rusty Cullens wrote:

They are fine, I have in all my cars.

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- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 


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Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping. 
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Im going to call you in the morning, you better make me a steal of  a deal.

Rusty Cullens wrote:

They are fine, I have in all my cars.

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- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 


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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can 
buy a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for 
around 150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for 
shipping.  Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im 
almost leaning toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I have thought about this (and did it on a Volvo diesel once) but the 
problem is the sharp angles and the unusual fitting of the turbo cooling 
lines to the middle of the lower radiator hose.


I could get some industrial hose with the correct diameter and 
durability, but I would have 2 problems:
1) I would need several large brass elbows to enable the hose to make 
the bends necessary
2) The extra weight and reduced flexibility of these hoses would 
probably stress crack the plastic radiator


My suspicion (that I've been unable to confirm) is that the regular 190D 
OM602 coolant hoses might work, minus the coolant fitting for the turbo. 
This would be easy to add, since many 80 turbo cars (like the later 
Volvo 240 Turbos) came with an aluminum radiator hose coupler/splice to 
get coolant for the turbo. I could probably find one in the junkyard. I 
don't want to risk getting even the regular 190D hoses though, since I 
can't tell if they'll work until it's too late and they're probably also 
very expensive.


Tyler

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, tyler  wrote:
  

For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling hoses,
and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the dealer, who
wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just the upper and
lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have a hose burst or
I'm screwed!



There have to be companies out there that make custom-fit coolant
hoses for hot-rod and kit-car builders (otherwise how would you ever
put an arbitrary engine into an arbitrary chassis with the resulting
arbitrary distance between block and radiator?).  Wonder if that would
be cheaper?  Or maybe you can source some sort of tubing with the
correct temperature and corrosion-resistance specs from an
industrial-supply house like McMaster-Carr?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, tyler  wrote:
> For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling hoses,
> and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the dealer, who
> wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just the upper and
> lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have a hose burst or
> I'm screwed!

There have to be companies out there that make custom-fit coolant
hoses for hot-rod and kit-car builders (otherwise how would you ever
put an arbitrary engine into an arbitrary chassis with the resulting
arbitrary distance between block and radiator?).  Wonder if that would
be cheaper?  Or maybe you can source some sort of tubing with the
correct temperature and corrosion-resistance specs from an
industrial-supply house like McMaster-Carr?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I got it from MACS, a small radiator shop that happened to be a block 
from where I discovered the problem. I was 1,000 miles from home and 
needed to get to work the very next day- and the shop had the radiator 
for me in under an hour! It's an OEM Behr... I have absolutely no idea 
how it was possible for them to source a german radiator for such a rare 
car in under an hour. When they said they could do it, I would have bet 
money they were mistaken, and I still didn't really believe it could be 
the right one until after I installed it.


The radiator is for a 190D Turbo- and Mercedes said it would take 1 week 
and cost $673.40 to get. I couldn't buy it from you because I would have 
been stranded and missing work while waiting for it to ship to 
Washington, and your online price is was higher at the time (but now 
your site says only $388 for it- still not worth missing a week of work 
over).


For this same car, I've been looking for a replacement set of cooling 
hoses, and have been unable to even get a quote from anyone but the 
dealer, who wants something like $450 and has a one week wait for just 
the upper and lower radiator hoses which is absurd. I hope I never have 
a hose burst or I'm screwed!


Tyler

Rusty Cullens wrote:

where did you buy that radiator?

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING 
radiator- all brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a 
huge mountain pass with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a 
plastic tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

Peter Hertzing wrote:

I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K 
with no

problems.




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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Rusty Cullens

where did you buy that radiator?

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING radiator- all 
brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a huge mountain pass 
with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a plastic 
tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

Peter Hertzing wrote:

I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K with no
problems.



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread tyler
I also have the 3 row Nissen on my 740 Turbo. It's an AMAZING radiator- 
all brass and super wide. I towed a 6,000lb trailer over a huge mountain 
pass with my 740 Turbo, and the engine only hit 105C.


Do they make something comparable for Mercedes? I just bought a plastic 
tanked Behr for my benz... and it was $500!


I don't think iPd carries those incredible Volvo radiators anymore :(

Tyler

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I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K with no
problems.



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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Rusty Cullens

They are fine, I have in all my cars.

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To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?


OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-07 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Nissens are alright but do not have the drain valve found on the Behrs, 
so it is takey off hose time to drain the juice.
Nissen are a Danish aftermarket parts supplier and as such should be no 
drama. Although you can generally screw the parts people down to price 
match the Behr.
I put a Nissen on a 190E and it fitted A OK and cooled nicely, just did 
the one on my Mum's 190E and got a good price on the Behr so I used that.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can 
buy a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for 
around 150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for 
shipping.  Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im 
almost leaning toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.





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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread Scott Ritchey
I put a new Nissens in my 82 300SD about 100K miles ago.  No problems yet.

Scott

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Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.

-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread Gary Hurst
i've always bought behrs, but nissens has a really good reputation. i sell a
lot fewer of them than back in the day though.  same as with boge shocks.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> I used them in my old 220D & one of my old 240D's I also put one in one of
> the 123 bodies I owned but I don't remember which one. They worked great.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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> OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy
> a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around
> 150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.
> Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning
> toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E,
>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Hertzing
I can not respond on the brand for M Benz, but I have had the three row
nissens replacement for my 89 volvo 740. turbo for well over 250K with no
problems.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy a
> used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around
> 150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  Or, I
> can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning toward the
> new one but wondered if those were any good.
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread OK Don
In my limited experience with used radiators, not one has been worth the
money, even the $20 one I got from you. Just buy the new one and be done
with it.


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Re: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread Tom Hargrave
I used them in my old 220D & one of my old 240D's I also put one in one of
the 123 bodies I owned but I don't remember which one. They worked great.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924
 

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Subject: [MBZ] Nissens radiators?

OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.

-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com


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[MBZ] Nissens radiators?

2009-05-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
OK, are these any good?  Rusty?  Need a radiator for my E300.  I can buy 
a used one searching car=part.com which may or may not be OE for around 
150-170 plus whatever shipping, so probably 20-30 more for shipping.  
Or, I can spend 220 for a new nissens from Rusty.  Im almost leaning 
toward the new one but wondered if those were any good.


--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com



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