Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-16 Thread Zoltan Finks
What does Putin add up to? Brian On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see... VICARIUS FILII DEI (Latin = the Pope) ads up to 666. Many held the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Anyone added up any of the new candidates yet? Hm... on 4/15/08 15:21

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-16 Thread Bill R
Given the different alphabets used [which tend to change over the centuries] that number [and there is some question as to 666 being the number intended - and you certainly can't look it up in English and be sure] can be used to refer to almost anyone. Using the Hebrew alphabet from before or

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-16 Thread Mitch Haley
My favorite sci-fi author, Robert Anson Heinlein, wrote a novel named The Number of the Beast. In his book, 6-6-6 was six to the sixth power, to the sixth power (a very large number). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-16 Thread Bill R
If one is inclined toward Hebrew numerology 3 = a perfect number including the heavens, earth, and the regions below the earth; 4 = the four corners of [or all] the earth, so 7 = perfect completeness [4+3]. 6 is short of perfection [much like a 6 foot plank to cross a 7 foot gap]. 3 6's is a

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Jim Cathey
I read the other day that cops in some parts of the US want to have access to assault rifles because the bad guys got em. Some of the bad guys also have Herpes, I wonder if that'll be a draw too? So far as I'm concerned, if you're a cop you should be aiming, and thus there's no need for

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread barry Stark
Brian - You wrote ... Or perhaps the card will be skipped altogether in favor of the more secure implanting of the chip directly into our persons. Actually we are much closer than you may have imagined. My stepson is an audio-visual tech and runs those systems at trade shows of all kinds. He

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so let me understand this, you like guns when owned and operated by private citizens but not when carried by security people? This is all so confusing. Not at all---it's the choice of weapon that bothers me, because

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd bet a large sum of money that Homeland Security's mercenaries have had no more training than I have in the effective use of a gun like that, which is to say none---and probably much less training than I have in the effective use of a weapon more

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Gary Hurst
i'll join the reserves if i can walk around all day with an uzi On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i spoke to an israeli girl today. she has an uzi back home. damn, that's living! Yeah, but not the reason for why she has it. Don't the Israelis, like

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread LarryT
Many are trained at a place called Front Sight - a *very* good school - anyone and everyone should attend to learn the truth about guns and gun owners. Front Sight is providing free training to the media so they will learn some facts about guns amd ownership; Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Gary Hurst
if journalists knew anything about anything they wrote about, it would just kill their whole business On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many are trained at a place called Front Sight - a *very* good school - anyone and everyone should attend to learn the

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Zoltan Finks
Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. And in an attempt to alienate the rest of the list who are not ignoring this crazy talk: I'll go on to say that the interpretation of the text that I have been most inclined to believe is that those who have a relationship with Christ will be

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread John Freer
OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here. On 4/15/08, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. And in an attempt to alienate the rest of the list who are not ignoring this crazy talk: I'll go on to say that the

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Gary Hurst
because we are bitter? On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here. On 4/15/08, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to. And in an attempt to

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Zoltan Finks
I didn't detect any thumping by anyone. Brian On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:21 PM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here. On 4/15/08, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is exactly what I was referring to.

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Timothy Robinson
Let's see... VICARIUS FILII DEI (Latin = the Pope) ads up to 666. Many held the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Anyone added up any of the new candidates yet? Hm... on 4/15/08 15:21 Uhr, John Freer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic gun owners and bible thumpers.I'm out of here.

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Rich Thomas
I was thumping my gun while toting a bible, not sure if that applies or not. I just had a beer too, goes well with both! --R Zoltan Finks wrote: I didn't detect any thumping by anyone. Brian On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:21 PM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK you guys, fanatic

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: podunk federal government office in a sleepy suburb was guarded by not just one but two of Cheney's new storm troopers---fresh recruits in blue uniforms with a Homeland Security patch on one shoulder and a Wackenhut patch on the other, and MP5 submachine guns slung over

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
Yes! I had the same experience recently. They would cash the stupid check but required my thumbprint. I said I don't do fingerprints and walked away. I know that made me sound like I had something to hide, but I don't really care. Can't say it with enough conviction: I hate any intrusion on my

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
I have experience living without a bank, but unfortunately that experience is only as recent as about eight years ago. I did not have a bank account at all, and I didn't want one. Wasn't long before that time that I did not have a credit card (and had never had one). I paid all my bills via money

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Timothy Robinson
Thirty years ago I lost my wallet which contained my sSocial Security card. I never bothered to replace it. Eighteen years ago my driver's license which I never replced nor renewed. Never had a problem... ...that is, until after 2001 and the Patriot Act. I always banked at the same bank where I

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst
i didn't have a driver's license for years until i bought a house. they owuldn't let me close until i had one, so i got one. i used to just use my costco card for id i'm sure america is much safer against terror now that i have a license. or maybe it is because america is the terror now? no,

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem arose when I signed a contract with a new company last year and was required to fill out Form I-9. I didn't have documentation required. I sought to replace the Social Security card but didn't have

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: podunk federal government office in a sleepy suburb was guarded by not just one but two of Cheney's new storm troopers---fresh recruits in blue uniforms with a Homeland Security patch on one shoulder and a Wackenhut patch on the other, and MP5 submachine guns slung over

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should take a picture of them and see if they shoot you for it. I bet they would. The federal office building in downtown Portland is near an art school, and on any given non-rainy day there are always dozens of

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst
i went to DC last april. it's entirely occupied by thuggish security personnel. even stalin would blush in may, i went to new york. i went to west point with this fella who has been going to army sports since the 1940s. we were interrogated with great hostility by rent-a-cops at the gate and

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread LWB250
Wackenhut is the mall cop of the U.S. Government. Wackenhut was a buddy of Nixon's, and as a result has had his finger in the proverbial pie of the government for years. They do most of the non-military security for the government, such as the infamous cammo dudes of Nellis AFB (Area 51). Ones

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread John Robbins
LWB250 wrote: non-military security for the government, such as the infamous cammo dudes of Nellis AFB (Area 51). Just a nit-pick, but Nellis AFB is not Area 51... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread LWB250
True, and I was wrong in suggesting that it was - my apologies. For that matter, neither is Tonopah or some of the other areas surrounding Nellis. However, Wackenhut either provides primary or augments existing military security for most of the facilities that surround Nellis. FWIW, if you ever

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread John Robbins
LWB250 wrote: FWIW, if you ever have a chance, go see the LV air show at Nellis that's in November every year. If you like to see military hardware up close, this is definitely the place. When I was in elementary school we lived just south of Nellis. I've only been to the LV air show once

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread LWB250
--- John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in elementary school we lived just south of Nellis. I've only been to the LV air show once (think it was 1st or 2nd grade), but I could always watch the air show part from my backyard! :) There were many times at recess where I could

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread John M McIntosh
On Apr 14, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: i didn't have a driver's license for years until i bought a house. they owuldn't let me close until i had one, so i got one. i used to just use my costco card for id Hah, you realize of course the terrorist they arrested in Port Angeles

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst
i just felt that my allegiance to costco was greatest and therefore they deserved to represent me, not the state of georgia. does that make me a bad man?? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: i didn't have

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Ed Booher
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's CASH transactions that will raise the alarm bells. Banks have to report cash withdrawals or deposits of $10,000, IIRC. If you get a cashier's check payable to a car dealer for more than $10,000, that's OK. Allan

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Hendrik Fay
OK, so let me understand this, you like guns when owned and operated by private citizens but not when carried by security people? This is all so confusing. Hendrik Alex Chamberlain wrote: This podunk federal government office in a sleepy suburb was guarded by not just one but two of Cheney's

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Tom Hargrave
I agree with Alex. Wackenhut is a private contract firm who's hired to protect assets like banks, car dealerships, etc. They have no more business carrying a machine gun around in public than I do. I would have no problem with them carrying around a handgun. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst
yes, that is an idea! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so let me understand this, you like guns when owned and operated by private citizens but not when carried by security people? This is all so confusing. Hendrik Alex Chamberlain wrote: This

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Gary Hurst
i spoke to an israeli girl today. she has an uzi back home. damn, that's living! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Alex. Wackenhut is a private contract firm who's hired to protect assets like banks, car dealerships, etc. They have no more

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Jim Cathey
i spoke to an israeli girl today. she has an uzi back home. damn, that's living! Yeah, but not the reason for why she has it. Don't the Israelis, like the Swiss, have nearly universal military service? The Uzi's probably just part of her kit, as she's in the Reserves for life. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-14 Thread Hendrik Fay
I read the other day that cops in some parts of the US want to have access to assault rifles because the bad guys got em. Perhaps they'll have to trade in the cruisers for armoured Humvees with a 50 cal on top, that and a few Apache helicopters may tip the balance of firepower in their favour

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Jim Cathey
how do i cash checks of the sort that the check cashing places won't cash? So far as I know, if you take it to the bank (or a branch) that it is drawn on they _must_ pay you. A check is a pay order to the bank from the account holder. You are not (or at least were not) required to have an

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: So far as I know, if you take it to the bank (or a branch) that it is drawn on they _must_ pay you. Last time I did that with a paycheck (the bank was across the street from us, the leading CPA firm in that town) the teller thought I needed to be fingerprinted first. She

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Timothy Robinson
on 4/13/08 2:27 Uhr, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i cash checks of the sort that the check cashing places won't cash? So far as I know, if you take it to the bank (or a branch) that it is drawn on they _must_ pay you. A check is a pay order to the bank from the account

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Loren Faeth
From what I have seen, the illegals cash their checks at wallyland or at a grocery store.. As long as you no habla inglish and change your name to a mexican sounding name, you would be ok. buy fake ID. Illegals can do anything they want, even murder and skate. all they have to do is buy

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Timothy Robinson wrote: I overheard a transaction at my bank last week. It seems to be a policy that if one doesn't have an account at that bank a fee is charged for cashing a check though it is drawn on them. However, I noted they accepted fingerprints and didn't yet require a DNA sample.

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Loren Faeth
The old grey haired hippies (that are still alive) in the Kau district of Hawaii live off the grid and grow their own. I don't know if they are free of banks, but they have a cash economy, selling what they grow to locals and tourists. I guess there is a wholesale market too, but I don't

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: So far as I know, if you take it to the bank (or a branch) that it is drawn on they _must_ pay you. Apparently, federal banking laws don't require that they do it for free, and some of the national banks will go to court if a state tries to force them to do it for free:

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread LarryT
Hi Gary I think you'll find MOs create no questions at all.In fact they like MOs because of the speed they *should* clear. If they start asking about where the money is coming from tell them it's none of their business If they want to push it make them get a search warrant - which

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread LWB250
My mom got caught up with some of the taxes are unconstitutional groups a few years ago. It took months of constant lobbying on the part of myself and my brother (a career banker, like my dad was) to convince her that these people were idiots, and if she wanted to avoid taxes or pay as little as

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm pessimistic from the above that i will be able to get rid of banks. as i am absolutely such a small fish in general, this is not a practical matter as i'm pretty confident that no one really has any interest in watching me. i guess what irks me is the dead stupidity of it. they think by

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread LWB250
Not completely true. You need to review the Bank Secrecy Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act For that matter, the Bush administration has also enabled banks to report questionable account activity to the Fed to try and target those who might try and fly below the radar, so to

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
it continues the idea that we, the people, are all insurgents and must be watched closely so we can get caught at something. a government by the people, of the people and far the people consciously transformed into a government AGAINST the people and the people seem by and large pleased with this

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Robert Rentfro
I wonder if all this nonsense is spreading to small town banks? In '77 I got tossed in the cooler at 0400 in Fon-du-lac, WI, for doing 86 in a 25 in my TR7. I had to sit there in the klink with a drunk guy until 1100 to see the judge. My ticket was a little over $400 so I got my checkbook out.

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread OK Don
I guess they feel that if they can be caught cheating on their wives/taxes, the terrorist will be caught also??? On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it continues the idea that we, the people, are all insurgents and must be watched closely so we can get caught

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Allan Streib
Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think only homeless people and drug dealers can function without banks. You could always cash your checks at those check cashing places I reckon and then send your mortgage company an envelope full of fifties. Banks are a necessary evil. If you go

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i don't actually have 10,000 dollars. or even close to that. you think if i showed up at met life in new york in person they'd cash it for me on demand? :) the appraiser comes out tomorrow. hope they don't lowball me On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:05:41 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and advocating common folk to run for office so we have some real choices. So how would one of the common folk gain traction to make a realistic run for office? We had one of the TSMs from the Lab run for our local

[MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-12 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm thinking of dropping out of the banking system, but i'm not sure how practical this is. how do i cash checks of the sort that the check cashing places won't cash? how do i pay my mortgage? etc. for example, when i get my met life insurance check, how would i cash something like that

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-12 Thread Robert Rentfro
I think only homeless people and drug dealers can function without banks. You could always cash your checks at those check cashing places I reckon and then send your mortgage company an envelope full of fifties. Banks are a necessary evil. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-12 Thread Rich Thomas
You should become a guest worker Mexican -- they have all that stuff completely figured out. You might have to learn a bit of Espanol, become a vato to get the secrets. --R Gary Hurst wrote: i'm thinking of dropping out of the banking system, but i'm not sure how practical this is. how do

Re: [MBZ] question for haley and all the anti government nut jobs

2008-04-12 Thread Rick Knoble
Since passage of the Bank Secrecy Act in 1970, your banker has automatically, by law, suspected you of drug dealing and money laundering. With the recent passage of the USA-PATRIOT Act, your banker is now required to suspect you of terrorism, as well. Soon, all U.S. banks will profile each