Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread LarryT
I was in Saudi Arabia in the late 70's on a Natural Gas Project and found 
some interesting aspects of local highway driving.  I was told the Muslim 
drivers would pass on hills and curves and leave their continued existance 
in the hands of Allah - don't know if true of not but I saw a *lot* of 
passing on hills and curves.  Also was told there was a lot of eye disease 
among the indigent people that came from all the sand flying all the time 
(which was not in doubt) so a lot of drivers did not have great eyesight - 
especially at night.  Another common story was the locals believed the 
right-of-way was bestowed on who ever had the largest vehicle.  Hence the 
locals liked to drive the big trucks so they'd have the maximum 
right-of-way.  Interesting concept.


We also heard about foreigners always getting blamed for all accidents 
because if they hadn't been there the accident would not have occurred - so 
naturally it was the foreigners fault.   There was also a story of a 
Westerner stopping at an accident and upon seeing a Saudi woman not 
breathing he removed her from the car and applied resusitation which aved 
her life.  The story went that he was arrested and taken to jail for 
assaulting a Saudi woman.  Seems hard to believe but after seeing hands 
hanging in the middle of the main town square (as a warning to potential 
theives) some things became easier to believe.


One thing I found interesting was passing little settlements for lack of a 
better word out in the desert - there's be a dozen or so large wodden 
shipping containers like those large equipment was shipped in with doors and 
windows cut into them and TV antennas attached and a MB or Chev. Suburban 
(remember the big vehicle and right-of-way thing?)  out front - never any 
Fords because they believed Ford was owned by Jewish investors.  Seems they 
aren't aware of the publicly owned business concept. ;-)


Lots of other things went on - but they have nothing to do with Mercedes. 
;-)


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Man, does Jeff have it right! I drove in Cairo for a month and almost
had heart failure every day. The streets did not even have lanes
marked--not that it would matter anyway. It was every man for himself.
There is nothing in the U.S. that remotely compares to it.

Tom Potter (Who takes Houston traffic with a smile)

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I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten
seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with
lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road
they use! Not to mention the sidewalks!

Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian.

lol

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote:
  Another common story was the locals believed the
 right-of-way was bestowed on who ever had the largest vehicle. 

I read in a motorcycle magazine that the fastest moving vehicle
gets the ROW in Italy. Factory test riders from Bimota pass 
wherever they want. If there's oncoming traffic, it can just move
into the ditch. 

You can't pay me enough to get me to set foot in a Wahhabi hellhole,
especially Saudi Arabia. I'd sooner visit England. Unfortunately,
their international charitable works include muslim education, so
the worst of the Wahhabi attitudes are spreading fast, even in
America. It seems like Saudi Arabia produces more Imams than Israel
produces Rabbis. 
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa.asp

Mitch.



Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

geez

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


I doubt there is anywhere in North America (don't know about Mexico
though) that has traffic half as bad as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9f93gpfbo

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread andrew strasfogel

How ironic, since Henry Ford  was  an enthusiastic anti-semite...

On 9/25/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

geez

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

 I doubt there is anywhere in North America (don't know about Mexico
 though) that has traffic half as bad as this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9f93gpfbo

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread David Brodbeck
TimothyPilgrim wrote:
 I doubt there is anywhere in North America (don't know about Mexico
 though) that has traffic half as bad as this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9f93gpfbo
   

At least there's some skill in evidence there...unlike in this video
from Moscow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKGuOi8Waw




Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-26 Thread Chuck Landenberger

That bus driver sure had somebody looking over his shoulder!


On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:57 AM, David Brodbeck wrote:



At least there's some skill in evidence there...unlike in this video
from Moscow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKGuOi8Waw







Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread andrew strasfogel

The MA states (MD and Mass.) have the worst drivers - no contest.  Nobody
even comes close.  Check out the insurance rates.

On 9/24/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were
clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th
or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving
habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the
States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar.
I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury
per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes
statistically as safe as we feel they are?

On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on
earth to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of
mine.
 Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston,
at least none of the streets are one way...
 So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at
merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my
190D and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a
rocket!

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread Hendrik Riessen
I know this may come as a shock to you nice people in the US of A but there 
are motorists outside of the USA. Perhaps the title of the post should be 
worst place in the US to drive.

Then again perhaps it is right.

Hendrik
who just made a mental note not to drive in the states, seeing they got the 
worst drivers in the world


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I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were
clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th
or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving
habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the
States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar.
I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury
per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes
statistically as safe as we feel they are?





Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread Jeff Zedic
I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten 
seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with 
lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road 
they use! Not to mention the sidewalks!


Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian.

lol

Jeff Zedic
Toronto



Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread Potter, Tom E
Man, does Jeff have it right! I drove in Cairo for a month and almost
had heart failure every day. The streets did not even have lanes
marked--not that it would matter anyway. It was every man for himself.
There is nothing in the U.S. that remotely compares to it.

Tom Potter (Who takes Houston traffic with a smile)

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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten 
seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with 
lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road 
they use! Not to mention the sidewalks!

Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian.

lol

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick

No Kidding,
 Many years ago I drove a bus in Los Angeles, I thought that was a 
hectic as it could get, but I used to see a buddy regularly and he 
always looked like he was on vacation, turned out he had  spent 15 years 
doing local delivery in a semi...in Mexico City! LA traffic really was a 
vacation for him.


That said after driving commercially nationwide, Albuquerque NM has 
definitely got the worst drivers in the country, not only technically 
bad but crazy at the same time.


Kansas City is by far the most relaxed place in the country to drive, 
even in rush hour, everyone drives consistent speed and roads are well 
marked at regular intervals making finding your way simple.


NYC is the most fun, the drivers are aggressive, but very skilled. 
Remarkably few accidents and rarely more than 2 vehicles involved when 
it happens. I used to actually enjoy driving through there in an 
oversized semi! Traffic lights and lines in the road mean nothing, 
sidewalks are fair game, the only rule is to get from point A to point B 
without hitting anything :-) You haven't lived until you've run that 
racecourse in something 75 ft long and 8.5 ft wide in morning rush hour. 
Short track racing is an adrenalin let down after that.


-Robert

Jeff Zedic wrote:
I agree with Hendriknone of those bad drivers would last ten 
seconds in Cairo or Tehran. In Tehran, not only do they not bother with 
lanes or stoplight colours, they don't even care what SIDE of the road 
they use! Not to mention the sidewalks!


Ever feeling suicidal, try crossing the roads there as a pedestrian.

lol

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] worst place on earth to drive - was: OM617 head

2006-09-25 Thread Sunil Hari

oh no no no - that video must have been taken a few years ago.  because now,
the traffic doesn't move at ALL in bangalore.

On 9/25/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I doubt there is anywhere in North America (don't know about Mexico
though) that has traffic half as bad as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9f93gpfbo

Tim
1982 300TD Moby
1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah

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