[MBZ] Diesel

2022-05-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Diesel appears to be dropping. It’s 4.86 at the sams. Around 5.04 everywhere else. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> My whole house 24kW Toyota powered Kohler will run for about two weeks > depending on load on the 500 gallon tank that’s buried in my front yard. My whole-house (?) 26kW (when wired zig-zag) Hercules-powered Kohler would run for just about six days, no load, on a similar tank. It's really a

[MBZ] This is a weird deal -- 2007 Mercedes S550 OBO - $10, 800 (Raleigh)

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
190k miles but that's not the true mileage. I'm the second owner and I bought it and restored it completely from the first owner. Odometer was increasing on its own from faulty wheel speed sensors at 130k when I received car. It jumped about 10k itself so I can imagine how much it jumped from

Re: [MBZ] Coming Soon!

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
yeah, I think he said maybe $6k, or he had $6k in it, I forget --FT On 5/20/22 10:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yes. He sold his ML63? On 5/20/2022 8:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: You still have the Hoovie GL?  You should have bought his ML63 --FT Sent from iFōn

Re: [MBZ] Coming Soon!

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Get this guy to sell it https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/harrisburg-mercedes-benz-cl500-roadster/7486013840.html On 5/21/22 8:25 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Yes, it’s a 1997 (facelift) model. I’m looking at the market here in Tampa and I’m thinking about listing it around

Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 2000 Mercedes Benz S500

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
$500 if you want a project that might cost another $2k --FT On 5/20/22 11:12 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Not. -- Forwarded message - From: Frederick Moir Date: Fri, May 20, 2022 at 5:36 PM Subject: 2000 Mercedes Benz S500 To: Frederick Moir

Re: [MBZ] 2019 C63 AMG - 16k miles - $55,000

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Crackhead --FT On 5/20/22 11:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: N.b. flood car. Can't imagine paying that price. https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/willowbrook-2019-mercedes-benz-c63-amg/7486101789.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

[MBZ] Crips Ride YO!!! Rebadged with Maybach logos 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 300D Sedan 4D, $1, 500

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Or maybe Bloods, I can't keep up.  The custom headliner is a nice touch though gets great gas mileage as diesel burns a lot slower https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1020678125509093 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Diesel

2022-05-21 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
I was in Austin, TX yesterday and it was $5.49. Speaking of diesels, what’s the general consensus on reliability of 211 Chassis Diesels (2009) and the 212 Chassis 2014 Diesel E250? Donald H. Snook > On May 21, 2022, at 8:12 AM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > Diesel appears to be dropping. It’s

Re: [MBZ] S550 AC redo

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Search the ‘tubes for this. I believe you’ll have to remove the expansion valve to fully flush the system. There are AC flush chemicals that you can use which will flash or dry out without contaminating the system. I’ve only done it once, when I completely rebuilt the AC system in my former

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
That’s the Flagstaff house. Hang your laundry up, it will be dry in an hour. I’m not sure I would have room to vent the dryer into the house, as it’s right up next to an exterior wall. I have thought about it, though, as well as a whole-house humidifier. I see that as an exercise in futility,

Re: [MBZ] OT: is green paint more valuable in the used car market?

2022-05-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Truly a collectors car. It has all the right pieces, including VIN number. A garage full of cars like this one defines "Disposable Income". [Not for the faint of wallet] On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 5:37 PM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: >

[MBZ] I don't know what I got -- Mercedes-Benz Cl500 Roadster, convertible - $13, 900 (Harrisburg)

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
And crack price too! https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/harrisburg-mercedes-benz-cl500-roadster/7486013840.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] Coming Soon!

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Yes, it’s a 1997 (facelift) model. I’m looking at the market here in Tampa and I’m thinking about listing it around $4800. There have been some real beaters in the market in the last couple of months and they’ve sold for that or more. The used car market still seems inflated, so I might as well

[MBZ] S550 AC redo

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I am putting the S550 back together, have all the parts.  I reckon I should flush the AC system before hooking the lines to the "new" condenser.  I vaguely recall someone doing that with gasoline or some other solvent.  How would this work?  Run some gasoline/whatever into the lines where they

Re: [MBZ] S550 AC redo

2022-05-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Flushing is tricky. Gasoline is cheap, but then you have to get all that out too, and there's often a bit of residue. Solvent afterwards? The real problem is the expansion valve. You can't really flush with that in there, as it's easily clogged. It's a giant PITA, that's for sure! -- Jim

[MBZ] CL crackhead photog of the day -- 1991 Mercedes 300SE - $15, 000 (Daytona)

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/d/port-orange-1991-mercedes-300se/7486260347.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] S550 AC redo

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Ite, maybe it's worth taking to a shop to get them to do it, but I should do some tubers research first I guess. -FT On 5/21/22 10:11 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Search the ‘tubes for this. I believe you’ll have to remove the expansion valve to fully flush the system. There are

[MBZ] Vintage Mercedes in mint condition (and mint color)! 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 se, $23, 000

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Minty fresh! https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5327358207326451 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I have to have whole house operation, primarily the AC, which as you would expect, is a huge (4T) consumer. I would expect to back off the thermostat if we were in a prime power situation in order to extend the run time. It’s not only critical for comfort, it keeps mold from occurring if there

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> This is Florida, there will be mold if that happened. _So_ different than eastern WA. Swamp coolers are highly effective here, it's generally quite dry. Dry enough that I've considered having our clothes dryer vent into the basement in order to conserve the heat and moisture! (Would need a

[MBZ] Nice wagon 2002 MERCEDES BENZ E320 WAGON 4MATIC - $6,800

2022-05-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Kinda high for a 210 but looks very clean, black/tan, you could start an Irish insurrection! https://greenville.craigslist.org/ctd/d/greenville-2002-mercedes-benz-e320/7486263226.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Diesel

2022-05-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
As I understand it, with CDI engines you need to watch for "black death" due to leaky injector seals. For Bluetec engines I think concerns tend to be around the DPF stuff but if you take regular long highway drives that helps. It's not an ideal car if you are doing mostly short trips, but no

[MBZ] Well maintained/restored '83 300D on BAT

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Might go cheaply, due I guess to high mileage. Might be a rewarding and affordable diesel for someone on this list. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo-36/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-05-21 10:06, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I have to have whole house operation, primarily the AC, which as you would expect, is a huge (4T) consumer. I would expect to back off the thermostat if we were in a prime power situation in order to extend the run time. It’s not only

[MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
I think I love this! https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300td-euro/ And the 603 is a phenomenal engine, right? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

[MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
As I’m going through the “new” 2003 E320, I’m going through the trunk and checking all of the tools and accessories. I found that the spare has a bad valve, and as a result, doesn’t hold air. It is the original spare tire form 2003, so I’m not keen about using in the first place. But here’s

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
While you think about it, put a new valve core in the existing stem and see if it holds air. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
It won’t. The old valve stem is cracked at the base where it comes out of the tire. -D > On May 21, 2022, at 3:30 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > While you think about it, put a new valve core in the existing stem and see > if it holds air. > >

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
T155/70R-17 CONTINENTAL SCONTACT SL -D On May 21, 2022, at 3:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: What size is the tire? Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2022, at 2:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Well maintained/restored '83 300D on BAT

2022-05-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
sold for 6500 On Sat, May 21, 2022, 1:51 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Might go cheaply, due I guess to high mileage. Might be a rewarding and > affordable diesel for someone on this list. >

Re: [MBZ] Crips Ride YO!!! Rebadged with Maybach logos 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 300D Sedan 4D, $1, 500

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Whoever got locked in the trunk managed to leave out their red bandana to attract attention. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Or maybe Bloods, I can't keep up. The custom headliner is a nice touch > though > > gets great gas mileage

Re: [MBZ] Vintage Mercedes in mint condition (and mint color)! 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450 se, $23, 000

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Nice. Fair price for a BAT auction. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Minty fresh! > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5327358207326451 > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > >

Re: [MBZ] Diesel

2022-05-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Still $5.39 here. I guess I'll wait a few more days before I buy. On Sat, May 21, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Diesel appears to be dropping. It’s 4.86 at the sams. Around 5.04 > everywhere else. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ >

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
The last place I want to be is in the Great Plains, thank you very much. And Robert is not a close relative. At least not at this point. -D On May 21, 2022, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote: Purchase a property in the geographical center and Bob's your uncle.

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-05-21 13:54, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I think I love this! https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300td-euro/ And the 603 is a phenomenal engine, right? Phenomenally reliable, with a 1990s head probably. Phenomenally powerful, not without a turbo. This is 603912

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Didn't some countries in Europe tax cars based on HP? There were a lot of Mercedes sold to the rest of the world either with or without turbos that we only got with turbos. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:52 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > And the 603 is a phenomenal

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It does look nice! The turbo 603 in the SDL we had was a great engine, I don't know about the NA engine. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 12:55 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think I love this! > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300td-euro/ > > And

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Unless the car was driven by a smoker... On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:55 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think I love this! > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300td-euro/ > > And the 603 is a phenomenal engine, right? > > Donald H. Snook > >

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Eh, I panicked after I spoke to my tire guy. So I went to Tire Rack and found the exact Continental tire. There were others, but they were stupid expensive, like over $200. Yikes! I had done a requisite Internet search using the tire size and brand, and every listing I found said it was NLA.

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-05-21 16:10, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: It won’t. The old valve stem is cracked at the base where it comes out of the tire. So you'd have to break the bead and reach in to insert a new stem. Probably harder to do with a skinny spare than a real tire.

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I know your penny-pinching is driving your thought process, Mitch, but I’m not putting a 2003 tire into service, even if it’s a spare. It’s a beautiful tire, too, doesn’t appear that it’s ever been used. -D > On May 21, 2022, at 4:19 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2022-05-21

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Yup. AC is a function of dehumidification, so it’s got to be running, even if it’s at a higher temperature. When we leave the house it goes to 78F and stays there. On a day like today,where the “feels like” temperature is at or near 100F, it will still run occasionally and keep the humidity to

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Purchase a property in the geographical center and Bob's your uncle. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 2:02 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yup. AC is a function of dehumidification, so it’s got to be running, even > if it’s at a higher temperature. > > When we leave the

Re: [MBZ] Nice wagon 2002 MERCEDES BENZ E320 WAGON 4MATIC - $6,800

2022-05-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Very clean and attractive but also 20 years old... On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 10:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Kinda high for a 210 but looks very clean, black/tan, you could start an > Irish insurrection! > > >

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> And the 603 is a phenomenal engine, right? Yes. And by 91 it should have the new head and gasket designs. Not sure why it wasn't turbo, though, as that had been well worked out years before on the SDL's and the '87 TD in the US. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
What they wanted was a true humidistat, one that simply doesn't care what the temperature is. If it's humid, it runs the AC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Poos?

2022-05-21 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-05-21 14:52, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: What they wanted was a true humidistat, one that simply doesn't care what the temperature is. If it's humid, it runs the AC. I imagine scheduling that dropped the temp very low for two hours each day before dawn would have prevented the

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
What size is the tire? Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2022, at 2:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > As I’m going through the “new” 2003 E320, I’m going through the trunk and > checking all of the tools and accessories. I found that the spare has a bad > valve, and as a

[MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Just read that someone on an aircraft list just paid $7.41/gallon for 100LL, Jet A was $7.80/gallon at Shafter, CA. Other airports were $5.50 to $6.00/gallon -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, 6.66 lb/gal for Jet A. 6 lb/gal for 100LL On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 6:08 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And they do it in pounds, not gallons… > > -D > > > On May 21, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Of

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, just discussing the fuel needs of larger jets and what it would cost now days Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2022, at 6:02 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Over 5000 gallons. The longest runway at that airport is 4500 feet, I doubt > that a 737 will be operating there. > >> On

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I use tires and wheels pulled off cars in the back 40 with good tread. Some are 20 years old and work grate Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2022, at 6:33 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Living in FL tire age and condition is critical. It might look nice, but > that’s no

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The 737 MAX holds 6878 gallons. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 6:01 PM OK Don wrote: > Over 5000 gallons. The longest runway at that airport is 4500 feet, I > doubt that a 737 will be operating there. > > On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 5:54 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Over 5000 gallons. The longest runway at that airport is 4500 feet, I doubt that a 737 will be operating there. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 5:54 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And what does a typical 737 for example hold? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 21,

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I get that it's old, but I'd probably use it as a spare if the rubber still looked good. Not like it's been exposed to the sun and elements. A skinny temp service spare is only supposed to be used to get you to the nearest tire shop, really. On Sat, May 21, 2022, at 4:32 PM, dan penoff.com

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I put an original spare from a 115 chassis on once - it looked like new, never been out of the trunk, and the sidewall popped as I let the car down - just from the weight. I take tire age very seriously now. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 6:03 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
And they do it in pounds, not gallons… -D > On May 21, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Of course they don't always fill it to the brim. Part of the pre-flight is a > calculation of how much fuel they need for the trip, potential diversions, > and final reserve. > >

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Of course they don't always fill it to the brim. Part of the pre-flight is a calculation of how much fuel they need for the trip, potential diversions, and final reserve. On Sat, May 21, 2022, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The 737 MAX holds 6878 gallons. > > On Sat, May 21, 2022 at

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Only is the US - at least according to the technical Data books I have for '89-'93. Every combination was made for someone - depending on the market. Yes, turbos with manual trannies. On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 6:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought it was

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Prices

2022-05-21 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
And what does a typical 737 for example hold? Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2022, at 5:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Just read that someone on an aircraft list just paid $7.41/gallon for > 100LL, Jet A was $7.80/gallon at Shafter, CA. Other airports were $5.50 to > $6.00/gallon

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
It actually looks great, other than being covered with some white dust or something. Like it was just made. For $150 I’m not taking any chances. The other problem is that no tire store in their right mind would work on it due to the age. If I could bust the bead and get a new valve in and it

Re: [MBZ] Look at this interior! 300TD Euro

2022-05-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I thought it was typically turbo -> automatic, NA could also be paired with an automatic but often was manual. Or so I recall Herr Booth saying. On Sat, May 21, 2022, at 6:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Didn't some countries in Europe tax cars based on HP? There were a lot of > Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Spare Tire Source

2022-05-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Living in FL tire age and condition is critical. It might look nice, but that’s no guarantee of integrity. And again, if it was mine I would probably try and recover it somehow, but not for the spousal unit. -D > On May 21, 2022, at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > I put an

[MBZ] Rotten tires

2022-05-21 Thread RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes
Folks I used a brand new 1984 300d spare …. It still had the nubs on it … brand new. This was about 2015 ….. it tore apart after maybe 50 miles Don’t use old tires is my advice … even if they are NOS My 2 cents Xx rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To