Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
Salt and brine used extensively all throughout the northeast. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2018, at 10:00 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > In RI they salt. As Curt said sometimes,brine before the storm. Then either > salt or salt & sand I used to live near the Cargill salt mine in Lansing > NY. Jillions of tons of road salt out of there every year. > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Dec 5, 2018 11:25 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> In MA the trucks generally can do both brine and salt, brine before the >> storm, rock salt after, usually mixed with some sand. We've got hills, this >> is a requirement or nothing would ever move around. The salt kills some of >> the grass on the edge of the road but that's about it. >> >> Curr >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:38 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes< >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: SWMBA and I are in disagreement about >> winter road conditions along the Atlantic coast and other real winter >> places. I contend that the roads are salted and that this continues to >> this day. She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime >> and if they do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, >> especially in the radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been >> banned. >> >> I understand that salt being flushed into streams that support anadromous >> fishies is not a nice thing. But, there are no fish of any value left >> feeding into the Atlantic, and the white man cares not a whit for his >> footprint or damage to indigenous populations back east. The First Peoples >> out that way are without the stout Treaty rights that the Pacific Coastal >> tribes enjoy. >> >> SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back east >> was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? >> >> >> >> clay monroe >> redgh...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
In RI they salt. As Curt said sometimes,brine before the storm. Then either salt or salt & sand I used to live near the Cargill salt mine in Lansing NY. Jillions of tons of road salt out of there every year. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 5, 2018 11:25 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > In MA the trucks generally can do both brine and salt, brine before the > storm, rock salt after, usually mixed with some sand. We've got hills, this > is a requirement or nothing would ever move around. The salt kills some of > the grass on the edge of the road but that's about it. > > Curr > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:38 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: SWMBA and I are in disagreement about > winter road conditions along the Atlantic coast and other real winter > places. I contend that the roads are salted and that this continues to > this day. She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime > and if they do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, > especially in the radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been > banned. > > I understand that salt being flushed into streams that support anadromous > fishies is not a nice thing. But, there are no fish of any value left > feeding into the Atlantic, and the white man cares not a whit for his > footprint or damage to indigenous populations back east. The First Peoples > out that way are without the stout Treaty rights that the Pacific Coastal > tribes enjoy. > > SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back east > was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? > > > > clay monroe > redgh...@comcast.net > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
In MA the trucks generally can do both brine and salt, brine before the storm, rock salt after, usually mixed with some sand. We've got hills, this is a requirement or nothing would ever move around. The salt kills some of the grass on the edge of the road but that's about it. Curr Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:38 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA and I are in disagreement about winter road conditions along the Atlantic coast and other real winter places. I contend that the roads are salted and that this continues to this day. She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime and if they do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, especially in the radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been banned. I understand that salt being flushed into streams that support anadromous fishies is not a nice thing. But, there are no fish of any value left feeding into the Atlantic, and the white man cares not a whit for his footprint or damage to indigenous populations back east. The First Peoples out that way are without the stout Treaty rights that the Pacific Coastal tribes enjoy. SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back east was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 03:41:23 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > I can't speak for the east, but between the rockies and the > appalachians, they salt the crap out of the roads, especially in the > fall. The salt of choice has gone from rock salt to liquid brine. > They will put the brine on the roads before it snows. As the winter > wear on and the salt gets used up, and or the funds to buy salt dry up, > the salt crews run less often. Salts other than NaCl are played with > form time to time, as some work at temps lower than NaCl. Calcium > Chloride is the most popular substitute, but cost is a limiting > factor. Airports generally us CaCl or other salts. MO, and perhaps Ky > and Tn are more conservative with the salt, but with the exception of > those states, the slave states pretty much don't salt. There is a significant focus in the heavy truck industry on making electrical system connections tighter because the use of CaCl and MgCl. These chemicals are worse to much worse than NaCl for rotting things. It used to be that once you made it through the winter and did a little cleanup, you were good to go. With these chemicals, you need to clean them out thoroughly because they will draw moisture out of the air and continue their nefarious activities -- a gift that keeps on giving ... I recall dust in the air post-snows in Los Alamos when we first moved there (2002), but apparently the EPA got after them, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
Rock salt here. I'm sure our friends can tell us what they do in the People's Republics of Massachusetts and Rhode Isle. Like Craig said, where it's so cold you don't dare shut down without a place to plug in your block heater, it's far cheaper and more effective to put studs and chains on the cars. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
> She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime and if they > do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, especially in the > radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been banned. They salt in Spokane. They did not when I first moved here, but the EPA (!) forced them to. They used to sand, but that led to dust in the air. Hence, sand was banned, and salt was substituted. Thus they traded the pitting of paint and glass for wholesale rotting of the entire car. Were it not for this salt I would still be driving my beloved Frankenheap in the winter, but instead _another_ car has to be procured, etc. Wonder what the ecological impact is of _making_ an entire car that would otherwise not have been necessary? Around here it looks to be brine, but we passed a rock salt truck on the freeway on our trip to Yakima this Thanksgiving. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
I can't speak for the east, but between the rockies and the appalachians, they salt the crap out of the roads, especially in the fall. The salt of choice has gone from rock salt to liquid brine. They will put the brine on the roads before it snows. As the winter wear on and the salt gets used up, and or the funds to buy salt dry up, the salt crews run less often. Salts other than NaCl are played with form time to time, as some work at temps lower than NaCl. Calcium Chloride is the most popular substitute, but cost is a limiting factor. Airports generally us CaCl or other salts. MO, and perhaps Ky and Tn are more conservative with the salt, but with the exception of those states, the slave states pretty much don't salt. Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/4/18 11:12 PM: On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:37:34 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA and I are in disagreement about winter road conditions along the Atlantic coast and other real winter places. I contend that the roads are salted and that this continues to this day. She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime and if they do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, especially in the radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been banned. Salt helps lower the melting point of ice, but it lowers it only a limited amount. When it is -30 deg.F. outside, salt will help with melting not at all. So salting the roads in those conditions is futile. SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back east was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? They salt the roads. I have attached a copy of a web page written in 2014. Is that close enough to the present? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts
Also, many (most?) places use brine bow vs rock salt. At leasy that's how they do it in NC. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Craig via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 12:13 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Craig > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Salted nuts > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:37:34 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > > SWMBA and I are in disagreement about winter road conditions along the > > Atlantic coast and other real winter places. I contend that the roads > > are salted and that this continues to this day. She is of the opinion > > that salting roads is an ecological crime and if they do not salt her > > Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, especially in the radical > > liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been banned. > > Salt helps lower the melting point of ice, but it lowers it only a limited > amount. > When it is -30 deg.F. outside, salt will help with melting not at all. So > salting the > roads in those conditions is futile. > > > > SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back > > east was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? > > They salt the roads. > > I have attached a copy of a web page written in 2014. Is that close enough to > the present? > > > Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Salted nuts
SWMBA and I are in disagreement about winter road conditions along the Atlantic coast and other real winter places. I contend that the roads are salted and that this continues to this day. She is of the opinion that salting roads is an ecological crime and if they do not salt her Alaska roads, the rest of the nation, especially in the radical liberal enclaves of the North East, salt has been banned. I understand that salt being flushed into streams that support anadromous fishies is not a nice thing. But, there are no fish of any value left feeding into the Atlantic, and the white man cares not a whit for his footprint or damage to indigenous populations back east. The First Peoples out that way are without the stout Treaty rights that the Pacific Coastal tribes enjoy. SO, those who are in the know (last time I spent any winter time back east was over 50 years ago) who gets the victory cupcake? clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
