Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
you could buy a tube of the peelable weatherstripping caulk, and seal up the sunroof with that before spending the $117 plus freight. If the leak stops after sealing the sunroof, then you can decide to sunroof or treat it as a Wilton roof. EPC research indicate three different possible part numbers: 124 780 00 98 is "sunroof seal" for ~$117. 124 782 04 98 is "sunroof weatherstrip front" for ~$9 and 124 682 00 97 is "sunroof weatherstrip rear" for ~$13. I'm tempted to order all three. The seal installed in my car is in two parts, a front and a rear. Yesterday after the water test, as I drove the car more and more water appeared on the floor, so it was continuing to flow out from some body cavity. I am going to perform a new test and include a drive around after wetting each area (windshield drains, doors, and then roof). - Max Charleston SC On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Parking the car pointed uphill will eliminate or greatly reduce the water incursion. Water only appears on the passenger side floor. Today I checked the sunroof drains (two in front corners), they are both clear. I ran weed-wacker cord down each, followed by gently pouring water down each. Using the garden hose, car parked facing downhill, I ran water down the windshield drains: nothing. Water on both right side doors from top edge seal down: nothing. Sprayed water on the roof, finally got water in the car. My theory is the seal around the sunroof is letting too much water past and the drains can't keep up. I'm going to replace that seal next. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Move to Arizona and be done with it --R On 5/4/15 10:28 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: EPC research indicate three different possible part numbers: 124 780 00 98 is "sunroof seal" for ~$117. 124 782 04 98 is "sunroof weatherstrip front" for ~$9 and 124 682 00 97 is "sunroof weatherstrip rear" for ~$13. I'm tempted to order all three. The seal installed in my car is in two parts, a front and a rear. Yesterday after the water test, as I drove the car more and more water appeared on the floor, so it was continuing to flow out from some body cavity. I am going to perform a new test and include a drive around after wetting each area (windshield drains, doors, and then roof). - Max Charleston SC On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Parking the car pointed uphill will eliminate or greatly reduce the water incursion. Water only appears on the passenger side floor. Today I checked the sunroof drains (two in front corners), they are both clear. I ran weed-wacker cord down each, followed by gently pouring water down each. Using the garden hose, car parked facing downhill, I ran water down the windshield drains: nothing. Water on both right side doors from top edge seal down: nothing. Sprayed water on the roof, finally got water in the car. My theory is the seal around the sunroof is letting too much water past and the drains can't keep up. I'm going to replace that seal next. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
EPC research indicate three different possible part numbers: 124 780 00 98 is "sunroof seal" for ~$117. 124 782 04 98 is "sunroof weatherstrip front" for ~$9 and 124 682 00 97 is "sunroof weatherstrip rear" for ~$13. I'm tempted to order all three. The seal installed in my car is in two parts, a front and a rear. Yesterday after the water test, as I drove the car more and more water appeared on the floor, so it was continuing to flow out from some body cavity. I am going to perform a new test and include a drive around after wetting each area (windshield drains, doors, and then roof). - Max Charleston SC On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Parking the car pointed uphill will eliminate or greatly reduce the water > incursion. Water only appears on the passenger side floor. > > Today I checked the sunroof drains (two in front corners), they are both > clear. I ran weed-wacker cord down each, followed by gently pouring water > down each. > > Using the garden hose, car parked facing downhill, I ran water down the > windshield drains: nothing. Water on both right side doors from top edge > seal down: nothing. > > Sprayed water on the roof, finally got water in the car. > > My theory is the seal around the sunroof is letting too much water past > and the drains can't keep up. I'm going to replace that seal next. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Parking the car pointed uphill will eliminate or greatly reduce the water incursion. Water only appears on the passenger side floor. Today I checked the sunroof drains (two in front corners), they are both clear. I ran weed-wacker cord down each, followed by gently pouring water down each. Using the garden hose, car parked facing downhill, I ran water down the windshield drains: nothing. Water on both right side doors from top edge seal down: nothing. Sprayed water on the roof, finally got water in the car. My theory is the seal around the sunroof is letting too much water past and the drains can't keep up. I'm going to replace that seal next. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
sliding pads were replaced with new, and the rails properly lubed The cable tube can need lube too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Back when I worked in phone support I once spent 20 minutes working on an issue with a guy who then rolled out with "I'll need a computer for all this won't I?" this call had included things like "okay, lets reboot the computer." -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains >Curly, > >Not a lubrication issue, this developed shortly after I had taken the >sunroof completely apart to fix the broken bridge, the dreaded failure of >the tilt mechanism that jams the sunroof closed so an alternative means are >required to get it open again. When I replaced the broken bridge, all the >sliding pads were replaced with new, and the rails properly lubed with the >special stuff that Rusty sold me in a little tin. > >The sunroof motor just quits. I am sure it is a bad motor or relay, have a >used replacement to install someday, I may be at the right time to install >that... > >-Max > >On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Sounds like it needs gleitpaste, the special MB lube, which I believe is a >> high moly content grease for the sunroof glides. (or the cable may be >> messed up) You can buy a sunroof cable. >> >> Rusty used to pack gleitpaste in small tins, like for perc caps. for a >> reasonable price. >> >> MB only sells it by the liter or kilo or some such thing. I think you > > could find a Molykote product that will workas well. > > SHoulda guessed you had already done that. Mitch's idea of reseting the stops for the motor is a good idea. But we have to start with checking the obvious. "Is it plugged in?" I once did a lot of troubleshooting on some electric gizmo, only to discover the cord was not plugged in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Curly, Not a lubrication issue, this developed shortly after I had taken the sunroof completely apart to fix the broken bridge, the dreaded failure of the tilt mechanism that jams the sunroof closed so an alternative means are required to get it open again. When I replaced the broken bridge, all the sliding pads were replaced with new, and the rails properly lubed with the special stuff that Rusty sold me in a little tin. The sunroof motor just quits. I am sure it is a bad motor or relay, have a used replacement to install someday, I may be at the right time to install that... -Max On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like it needs gleitpaste, the special MB lube, which I believe is a high moly content grease for the sunroof glides. (or the cable may be messed up) You can buy a sunroof cable. Rusty used to pack gleitpaste in small tins, like for perc caps. for a reasonable price. MB only sells it by the liter or kilo or some such thing.I think you > could find a Molykote product that will workas well. > SHoulda guessed you had already done that. Mitch's idea of reseting the stops for the motor is a good idea. But we have to start with checking the obvious. "Is it plugged in?" I once did a lot of troubleshooting on some electric gizmo, only to discover the cord was not plugged in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
MItch, that would be news to me. I don't think there is any computer involved, just switch, motor, and relays. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > Is the procedure to rezero the motor controls something like "run all the > way forward, hold 30 seconds, then run all the way backward and hold 30 > seconds"? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Meade Dillon wrote: The sunroof motor just quits. I am sure it is a bad motor or relay, have a used replacement to install someday, I may be at the right time to install that... Is the procedure to rezero the motor controls something like "run all the way forward, hold 30 seconds, then run all the way backward and hold 30 seconds"? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Curly, Not a lubrication issue, this developed shortly after I had taken the sunroof completely apart to fix the broken bridge, the dreaded failure of the tilt mechanism that jams the sunroof closed so an alternative means are required to get it open again. When I replaced the broken bridge, all the sliding pads were replaced with new, and the rails properly lubed with the special stuff that Rusty sold me in a little tin. The sunroof motor just quits. I am sure it is a bad motor or relay, have a used replacement to install someday, I may be at the right time to install that... -Max On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sounds like it needs gleitpaste, the special MB lube, which I believe is a > high moly content grease for the sunroof glides. (or the cable may be > messed up) You can buy a sunroof cable. > > Rusty used to pack gleitpaste in small tins, like for perc caps. for a > reasonable price. > > MB only sells it by the liter or kilo or some such thing.I think you > could find a Molykote product that will workas well. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Sounds like it needs gleitpaste, the special MB lube, which I believe is a high moly content grease for the sunroof glides. (or the cable may be messed up) You can buy a sunroof cable. Rusty used to pack gleitpaste in small tins, like for perc caps. for a reasonable price. MB only sells it by the liter or kilo or some such thing.I think you could find a Molykote product that will workas well. Craig, I may try that next. Currently the sunroof has a nasty habit of only opening a couple of inches and then stopping. If I manually crank it closed a bit, then the motor will start working again an close it up, however the special socket for manual operation of the sunroof is messed up, so I have to try to put a 1/4 wrench right on the shaft, which is not too easy to rotate once the wrench is in place. The other potential leak point would be the windshield corner drain, that goes down between fender and firewall at the corner behind the battery. I've never heard of a leak developing there, but if I try the hose test, I'll start low on the car and work my way up. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:19:59 -0400 Meade Dillon wrote: > I'm going to check the sunroof drains next. Any other ideas? Does dousing it with a garden hose cause water incursion? Can you narrow down the entry point that way? Craig -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
Craig, I may try that next. Currently the sunroof has a nasty habit of only opening a couple of inches and then stopping. If I manually crank it closed a bit, then the motor will start working again an close it up, however the special socket for manual operation of the sunroof is messed up, so I have to try to put a 1/4 wrench right on the shaft, which is not too easy to rotate once the wrench is in place. The other potential leak point would be the windshield corner drain, that goes down between fender and firewall at the corner behind the battery. I've never heard of a leak developing there, but if I try the hose test, I'll start low on the car and work my way up. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:19:59 -0400 Meade Dillon > wrote: > > > I'm going to check the sunroof drains next. Any other ideas? > > Does dousing it with a garden hose cause water incursion? > > Can you narrow down the entry point that way? > > > Craig > > -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
I've had the carpets out of my '87 wagon for a couple weeks now in order to locate the water entry point. Last night we had good rain, and this morning there was plenty of water sloshing around on the passenger floor boards. I've previously checked the battery area, looked under the battery tray, and found nothing. No rust around the windshield. I'm going to check the sunroof drains next. Any other ideas? This car also occasionally gets water entry at the rear, soaking the compartment that holds the seat cushion for the third row seats (the very back floor compartment). There is evidence of shoddy repair work to collision damage at the right rear corner, so I suspect the hatch seal is no longer doing its thing because either the body or the hatch dimensions are wrong. -- - Max Charleston SC sunroof drains or leaking windshield are all I can think of other than rust though in one of those areas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 leaks when rains
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:19:59 -0400 Meade Dillon wrote: > I'm going to check the sunroof drains next. Any other ideas? Does dousing it with a garden hose cause water incursion? Can you narrow down the entry point that way? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
