Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

These Michelins now on the SD are Brit-made so not-quite-yurpeen. 

I’m starting to think the left front suspension has gone wonky. I rebuilt the 
suspension maybe 4 or 5 years ago and got it aligned. I’m wondering if the 
rubber bits in the control arms have squeezed or deteriorated or something 
letting the tire wobble a bit which caused the edge wear and belt delamination 
at the edges. Or if the eccentric bolt loosened. I vaguely remember they didn’t 
get one properly tightened in the initial alignment so I guess that is possible 
and the camber is out of whack. That would probably need to be checked in an 
alignment. 

--FT
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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 11:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty early, 
> but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So for the price 
> I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that didn't slip belts 
> all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, other than Michelin, I have 
> never had slipped belts.  The frog michelins slipped belts too.  My 
> preference was always German made Continentals.  I am still curious about how 
> the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on the 300D.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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Curley can’t drive 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe the slipped belt problem is not the tires, but the conditions or the 
> driver(s)?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On March 3, 2018 11:34:46 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
>> early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
>> for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that
>> 
>> didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
>> other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog
>> michelins 
>> slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals. 
>> 
>> I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on
>> the 
>> 300D.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Maybe the slipped belt problem is not the tires, but the conditions or the 
driver(s)?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 3, 2018 11:34:46 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
>early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
>for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that
>
>didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
>other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog
>michelins 
>slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals. 
>
>I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on
>the 
>300D.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had cooper CS4 on the van, and I thought they slipped belts pretty 
early, but when I checked the miles on them, they had around 50k.  So 
for the price I guess they were ok.  I just wish I could find tars that 
didn't slip belts all the time.  With any tires I had msde in Yurp, 
other than Michelin, I have never had slipped belts.  The frog michelins 
slipped belts too.  My preference was always German made Continentals.  
I am still curious about how the Barums hold up.  Just put a pair on the 
300D.




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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What was the Czech continental? Barum?  Try those.  They looked decent, 
but I've not had any long enough to determine the long term viability.   
I've had poor results with several brands of "high quality" asian tars.  
IMHO, anything yurpeen is preferable over asian or US brands.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 3, 2018 at 6:38 PM
I would get some Hankook or kumho, they seem decent



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:34:20 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> https://www.discounttiredirect.com/fitmentresult/tires/size/195-70-14

Well, what do you know!

They have Cooper CS3 Touring 195 /70 R14 91T SL BSW for $47.88ea, which is
$191.52 for four, just like tires-easy.com!


> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
> >> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.discounttiredirect.com/fitmentresult/tires/size/195-70-14

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
>> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.
> 
> Or you can get four Kumho Sense KR26 195/70R14 91H BSW for $ 242.44
> 
> Specs:Value:
> SidewallBSW
> Load Index91
> Speed RatingH Speed
> Ply RatingNot Available
> UTQG460AB
> Max Single Load(lbs)1356
> Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)44
> Tread Depth9.5
> Tread DesignNondirectional
> Rim Width Range5.0-6.5
> Measured Rim Width6.0
> Section Width7.9
> Tread WidthNot Available
> Overall Diameter24.8
> Manufacturer Part Number2142703
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:04:36 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14, you can get a set of four
> Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for $ 191.52 plus delivery.

Or you can get four Kumho Sense KR26 195/70R14 91H BSW for $ 242.44

Specs:  Value:
SidewallBSW 
Load Index  91  
Speed RatingH Speed
Ply Rating  Not Available
UTQG460AB
Max Single Load(lbs)1356
Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)   44
Tread Depth 9.5
Tread DesignNondirectional
Rim Width Range 5.0-6.5
Measured Rim Width  6.0
Section Width   7.9
Tread Width Not Available
Overall Diameter24.8
Manufacturer Part Number2142703


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:27:18 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I
> guess I could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere
> else.  What a PITA. 

On the site Andrew mentioned, https://www.tires-easy.com/tires/195-70-14,
you can get a set of four Cooper CS3 Touring 195/70R14 91T BSW for
$ 191.52 plus delivery.


Craig


Specs:  Value:  
SidewallBSW 
Load Index  91  
Speed RatingT Speed
Ply Rating  Not Available
UTQG540AB
Max Single Load(lbs)1356
Max Single Air Pressure (PSI)   44
Tread Depth 9.5
Tread DesignNondirectional
Rim Width Range 5.0-6.5
Measured Rim Width  6.0
Section Width   7.8
Tread Width Not Available
Overall Diameter24.76
Manufacturer Part Number9027126

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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I would get some Hankook or kumho, they seem decent

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I called Costco to see if they had Michelin tires to fit and were compatible. 
> He could get some in the proper size that were some other name but probably 
> pretty much the same. He asked what car they were for and the conversation 
> got into some whole other dimension about they had to go on the rear not the 
> front and a bunch of stuff about the speed ratings and load ratings and what 
> not, which I knew about from when I bought these tires a few years ago. 
> Anyway he would have to order them and it would take a week or two and then a 
> bunch of other extraneous nonsense again about bringing the car in etc.  And 
> the Michelin deal is only for 4 tires and it expires in a day or two and 
> these were going to be some huge price anyway. 
> 
> Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I guess I 
> could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere else.  What a 
> PITA. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 7:44 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and 
>> get an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are 
>> trying to put something on that their computer system says is not right.  
>> Then you are not getting them to put tires on.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
 
 Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
 All season M&S
 DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
 
 I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
 
 --FT
>>> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
>>> came from outer space.
>>> 
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I called Costco to see if they had Michelin tires to fit and were compatible. 
He could get some in the proper size that were some other name but probably 
pretty much the same. He asked what car they were for and the conversation got 
into some whole other dimension about they had to go on the rear not the front 
and a bunch of stuff about the speed ratings and load ratings and what not, 
which I knew about from when I bought these tires a few years ago. Anyway he 
would have to order them and it would take a week or two and then a bunch of 
other extraneous nonsense again about bringing the car in etc.  And the 
Michelin deal is only for 4 tires and it expires in a day or two and these were 
going to be some huge price anyway. 

Maybe I should Just buy some of those cheepcheep Asian things. Or I guess I 
could check around see if I could find the Michelins somewhere else.  What a 
PITA. 

--R
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> On Mar 2, 2018, at 7:44 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and 
> get an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are 
> trying to put something on that their computer system says is not right.  
> Then you are not getting them to put tires on.
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>>> 
>>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>>> All season M&S
>>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>>> 
>>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
>> came from outer space.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Mine too- I think the others,are bundt-ugly.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 3, 2018 4:40 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> my preference is for the light alloy hubcap wheels.  The weight advantage
> of alloys without the tedious cleaning required by bundts or 15 hole or 8
> hole alloys.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> March 3, 2018 at 2:20 PM
>> Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy wheels
>> from Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they were than
>> steelies...
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

my preference is for the light alloy hubcap wheels.  The weight 
advantage of alloys without the tedious cleaning required by bundts or 
15 hole or 8 hole alloys.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
March 3, 2018 at 2:20 PM
Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy 
wheels from Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they 
were than steelies...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your (then mine, then Dimitri's) '78 240D ended up with the alloy wheels from 
Hammie the '83 240D. I was amazed how much lighter they were than steelies...
-Curt
 

On Saturday, March 3, 2018, 8:39:38 AM EST, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 When I was going to replace steel wheels on 240D with bundts I had to get 
longer bolts. Decided not to do it & still have bolts & Bundts.

Dwight Giles Jr1982 300CD2005 E320 4matic 
Wickford RI
On Mar 2, 2018 10:26 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:

Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
-Curt


    On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for 
alloys.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@ okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
>
> What about bolt length?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>      On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
&g

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When I was going to replace steel wheels on 240D with bundts I had to get
longer bolts. Decided not to do it & still have bolts & Bundts.

Dwight Giles Jr
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Mar 2, 2018 10:26 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In
> addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for
> alloys.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Dwight Giles 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> >
> > What about bolt length?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as
> w126.
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > > >
> > > > --R
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > > holding
> > > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > > >>>> Curt
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > > >>>>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > > 195/65-15
> > > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > > through the
> > > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -D
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > > really
> > > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > > almost all
> > > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > > >>>>> had
> > > run
> > > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > > >>>>> OK.  I
> > > had
> > > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > > adjustment
> > > >>>>> had gone wonky on 

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And there are 14" and 15" bundts.  A 15" will fit on  a brake made for 
14" wheels, but a 14"  bundt may not fit on a car that came with 15" out 
of the factory.


Bolts always match to the wheel, not the car.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
March 2, 2018 at 7:33 PM
As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same. In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different 
offsets for alloys.





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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hubcap and non-hubcap are different. Hubcap came in both steel and alloy...
-Curt
 

On Friday, March 2, 2018, 8:33:20 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In 
addition to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for 
alloys.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> 
> What about bolt length?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>      On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
> > >>>>> need to
> > get a
> > >>>>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> > too, use
> > >>>>> the other one for a spare now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and
> > >>>>> see
> > what
> > >>>>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> > >>>>&

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, alloy and steel are different but all alloy are same.  In addition 
to different rim width, I think there may be different offsets for alloys.

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> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dwight Giles 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?
> 
> What about bolt length?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> > cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987
> > SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> > holding
> > >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> > >>>> Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >>>>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> > 195/65-15
> > >>>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> > through the
> > >>>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> > really
> > >>>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> > almost all
> > >>>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it
> > >>>>> had
> > run
> > >>>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up
> > >>>>> OK.  I
> > had
> > >>>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> > adjustment
> > >>>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> > checked,
> > >>>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself
> > >>>>> went
> > bad, they
> > >>>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I
> > >>>>> need to
> > get a
> > >>>>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> > too, use
> > >>>>> the other one for a spare now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and
> > >>>>> see
> > what
> > >>>>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --FT
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wro

Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

They will fit but there are various widths. 126 will be wider than 123.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:41 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same cars.  
> I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
>>> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Maybe I should get a costco membership
 
 
 
> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> 
> 
> 
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost 
>> all
>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber 
>> adjustment
>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, 
>> they
>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get 
>> a
>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
>> the other one for a spare now.
>> 
>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
>>> get a set ordered.
>>> 
>> --
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

What about bolt length?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 2, 2018 7:41 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same
> cars.  I pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are
> holding
> >> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
>  Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
>  Curt
> 
>  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>   On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> 195/65-15
>  are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation
> through the
>  4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> 
> 
> 
>  The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> 
>  -D
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad --
> really
> > warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated
> almost all
> > around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had
> run
> > really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I
> had
> > only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> adjustment
> > had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> checked,
> > but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went
> bad, they
> > are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to
> get a
> > coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one
> too, use
> > the other one for a spare now.
> >
> > I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see
> what
> > they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there
> and
> >> get a set ordered.
> >>
> > --
> > --FT
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Most stores no longer carry the small tires.  You can order them online and get 
an install at the store.  No added fees.  THere are issues if you are trying to 
put something on that their computer system says is not right.  Then you are 
not getting them to put tires on.

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Mar 2, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>> 
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>> 
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I came 
> from outer space.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Yes,  Same rims for the w115-w126.  At least they have fit those same cars.  I 
pulled them from 116 and 123 on put them on w115, as well as w126.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Mar 2, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
>> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe I should get a costco membership
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
 
 
 
 The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
 
 -D
 
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber 
> adjustment
> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, 
> they
> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
> the other one for a spare now.
> 
> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
>> get a set ordered.
>> 
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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> On March 2, 2018 at 1:40 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
> several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
> available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.

All the better to get fresh tires with. 

A lot of our old 14" cars are low usage, and every month of remaining tire life 
helps. 

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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They don’t have stock on the 195/65 15 tires I wanted, either.  Not a big deal, 
as I’m in no hurry, but from what I can tell my CostCo tire place has a week 
backlog or more.  No walk in work from the looks of things.

The tires I got for my W210 wagon had to be ordered in, too, but they were on 
sister in about three days. I don’t think they have much inventory in the 
stores unless it’s a size that’s really common/popular.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
> several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
> available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.
> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> March 2, 2018 at 12:36 PM
>> I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
>> order anything in 14 in
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, for 14", you have to order the tars in.  It has been that way for 
several years.  Tarrack, discounttardirect and yurotar all have 14" 
available, but you have to get them shipped in and mounted.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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I had the same experience at the local tire chains. They had to special
order anything in 14 in

On Mar 2, 2018 11:50 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

There weren’t any 14” listings for the tires I posted for.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>>
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>>
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I
came from outer space.
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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There weren’t any 14” listings for the tires I posted for.

-D

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage
>> 
>> Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
>> All season M&S
>> DOT F1HD RH1X 3209
>> 
>> I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.
>> 
>> --FT
> I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I came 
> from outer space.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

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On 01/03/2018 8:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage

Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
All season M&S
DOT F1HD RH1X 3209

I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up.

--FT
I asked about 14" tires at our local Costco and they looked at me like I 
came from outer space.


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins -- bundts 123/126?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Do 123 bundts fit on the 126?

--R


On 3/1/18 10:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Maybe I should get a costco membership



On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:



The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D



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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment
had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they
are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
the other one for a spare now.

I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.

--FT


On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:


Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
get a set ordered.


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Find somebody that already has one and offer to buy lunch...
We don't have a Costco close enough to make it worth us having a membership...

-Curt
 

On Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:17:23 PM EST, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Maybe I should get a costco membership


On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>  
>    On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via 
>Mercedes wrote:  The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 
>195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation 
>through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
>
>
>
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
>
> -D
>
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
>> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
>> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
>> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
>> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
>> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
>> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
>> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
>> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for 
>> a spare now.
>>
>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
>> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>>> set ordered.
>> -- 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Interesting. I knew that the Grabber AT2s I put on the Dodge were good in the 
snow, I'm pleased to see them in the list of All Weather tires.
-Curt
 

On Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:21:44 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
I learned something new today.
3PMSF, or Three Peak Mountain SnowFlake.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/all-weather-tires-explained-merging-all-seasons-and-winter-tires/


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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Hankooks working well over here, but no snow driving. Seem like reasonable
tires for the money.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:45 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
> up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe I should get a costco membership
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
> >> Curt
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in
> 195/65-15
> >> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through
> the
> >> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
> >>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost
> all
> >>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
> >>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I
> had
> >>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber
> adjustment
> >>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment
> checked,
> >>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad,
> they
> >>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to
> get a
> >>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too,
> use
> >>> the other one for a spare now.
> >>>
> >>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
> >>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
>  Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
>  get a set ordered.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I only buy H rated tires for my 123 wagon.  The $55 Kumho Sense are holding
up well after 4 years.  195X70Hx14.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe I should get a costco membership
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
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>> Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
>> Curt
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15
>> are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the
>> 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:
>>
>>
>>
>> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
>>> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
>>> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
>>> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
>>> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment
>>> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
>>> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they
>>> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
>>> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
>>> the other one for a spare now.
>>>
>>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
>>> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
 get a set ordered.

>>> --
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe I should get a costco membership


On 3/1/2018 9:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
Curt

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   On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:




The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D




On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn on 
inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around the 
inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky on 
that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks like 
something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years old, 
still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to replace 
that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for a spare now.

I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
have but if you can fill me in that would be good.

--FT


On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a set 
ordered.

--
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 
195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation 
through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:



The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D



> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for a 
> spare now.
> 
> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>> set ordered.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hmm, Angie's golf needs new summer tires...
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 
195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set plus $60 for installation 
through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen shot below:



The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D



> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for a 
> spare now.
> 
> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>> set ordered.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The ones on the car must be similar of an earlier vintage 

Michelin X Radial 195 70R14 90S
All season M&S
DOT F1HD RH1X 3209

I’ll go by and get a pair. Thanks for the heads up. 

--FT
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> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set 
> plus $60 for installation through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the 
> screen shot below:
> 
> 
> 
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
>> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
>> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
>> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
>> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
>> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
>> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
>> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
>> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for 
>> a spare now.
>> 
>> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
>> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>>> set ordered.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I learned something new today.
3PMSF, or Three Peak Mountain SnowFlake.

https://blog.caranddriver.com/all-weather-tires-explained-merging-all-seasons-and-winter-tires/


https://tires.tirerack.com/search?asug=&view=list&w=3pmsf

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds,very reasonable.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 1, 2018 8:45 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the
> set plus $60 for installation through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see
> the screen shot below:
>
>
>
> The SD will have 14” tires, correct?
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really
> warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all
> around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run
> really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had
> only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment
> had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked,
> but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they
> are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a
> coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use
> the other one for a spare now.
> >
> > I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what
> they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and
> get a set ordered.
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Michelin X Tour A/S T&H in 195/65-15 are $86.49/each, $345.96 for the set 
plus $60 for installation through the 4th.  Don’t know if you’ll see the screen 
shot below:



The SD will have 14” tires, correct?

-D



> On Mar 1, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really warn 
> on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost all around 
> the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had run really low 
> inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I had only seen the 
> outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber adjustment had gone wonky 
> on that side, and was going to get the alignment checked, but now it looks 
> like something else.  Maybe the tire itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years 
> old, still a lot of tread left.  Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to 
> replace that one and I guess the other front one too, use the other one for a 
> spare now.
> 
> I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what they 
> have but if you can fill me in that would be good.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a 
>> set ordered.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun -- Costco Michelins

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Tell me about the Michelins -- the LF tire on the SD went bad -- really 
warn on inside and outside down to cords and the belt separated almost 
all around the inside and some on the outside. Kinda weird, like it had 
run really low inflation for a long time but it has been aired up OK.  I 
had only seen the outside edge so was also thinking maybe the camber 
adjustment had gone wonky on that side, and was going to get the 
alignment checked, but now it looks like something else.  Maybe the tire 
itself went bad, they are maybe 4 years old, still a lot of tread left.  
Anyway, I need to get a coupla tires to replace that one and I guess the 
other front one too, use the other one for a spare now.


I'll probably go by Costco tomorrow so can take the tires and see what 
they have but if you can fill me in that would be good.


--FT


On 3/1/18 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a set 
ordered.


--
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[MG via Mercedes]

I may need to come down there and go to the range with you. I 
want to try out a shotgun I got and you can try a few 9mm's that 
I have.


Manfred

Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Haven’t done much of anything the last couple of days as I’ve been busy setting 
up a new mesh system/router and spending time with the youngest at the range.  
Had to deal with a drippy faucet on the garden tub in the master bath, too...

Anyway, the new E-GAS module arrives today, I got a big order in from the 
dealer yesterday, and earlier in the week some other bits and bobs showed up, 
so I’ve gots lots to do.

Tonight I’ll try the new module with the hopes that it’s the culprit for the 
LHM and ASR light.  I’ve got new keys and a new ignition lock so that’s a 
priority.  The rest is all piddly stuff I’ll take a whack at as time permits, 
such as a new windshield washer reservoir and pumps, the clips for the last 
lower body cladding panel, and a new set of front rotors and ceramic pads.

Odometer gears are expected today as well, so that also might get addressed 
shortly, too.  Waiting on the tiny bulbs for the BE1432 faceplate to arrive so 
I can replace the burnt out ones and finally see the radio at night.

Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get a set 
ordered.  The tires that are on it aren’t too bad, but they’re old.  I noticed 
some sidewall damage on one of the rear tires when I was under the car last 
weekend.

So still plenty to do...

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I might still be interested.  When I get this one out for a bulbectomy I was 
planning on taking a deeper look.  It’s the original and hasn’t been touched, 
so I’m sure it’s tired.  Probably needs belts, rollers, etc.

Make me a deal...and you know it would get a good home.

For what it’s worth, my intentions are not to flip this car but keep it as a 
third vehicle for backup purposes. Due to the age, mileage and condition I 
don’t see it being a viable BAT candidate, and I enjoy driving it, too.  I plan 
on making it nice but not go over the top as I couldn’t recover my costs 
if/when I sell it.

-D

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wish I had known.  I have a complete BE 1432 sitting on the shelf, dreaming
> of a good home.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Haven’t done much of anything the last couple of days as I’ve been busy
>> setting up a new mesh system/router and spending time with the youngest at
>> the range.  Had to deal with a drippy faucet on the garden tub in the
>> master bath, too...
>> 
>> Anyway, the new E-GAS module arrives today, I got a big order in from the
>> dealer yesterday, and earlier in the week some other bits and bobs showed
>> up, so I’ve gots lots to do.
>> 
>> Tonight I’ll try the new module with the hopes that it’s the culprit for
>> the LHM and ASR light.  I’ve got new keys and a new ignition lock so that’s
>> a priority.  The rest is all piddly stuff I’ll take a whack at as time
>> permits, such as a new windshield washer reservoir and pumps, the clips for
>> the last lower body cladding panel, and a new set of front rotors and
>> ceramic pads.
>> 
>> Odometer gears are expected today as well, so that also might get
>> addressed shortly, too.  Waiting on the tiny bulbs for the BE1432 faceplate
>> to arrive so I can replace the burnt out ones and finally see the radio at
>> night.
>> 
>> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get
>> a set ordered.  The tires that are on it aren’t too bad, but they’re old.
>> I noticed some sidewall damage on one of the rear tires when I was under
>> the car last weekend.
>> 
>> So still plenty to do...
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wish I had known.  I have a complete BE 1432 sitting on the shelf, dreaming
of a good home.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Haven’t done much of anything the last couple of days as I’ve been busy
> setting up a new mesh system/router and spending time with the youngest at
> the range.  Had to deal with a drippy faucet on the garden tub in the
> master bath, too...
>
> Anyway, the new E-GAS module arrives today, I got a big order in from the
> dealer yesterday, and earlier in the week some other bits and bobs showed
> up, so I’ve gots lots to do.
>
> Tonight I’ll try the new module with the hopes that it’s the culprit for
> the LHM and ASR light.  I’ve got new keys and a new ignition lock so that’s
> a priority.  The rest is all piddly stuff I’ll take a whack at as time
> permits, such as a new windshield washer reservoir and pumps, the clips for
> the last lower body cladding panel, and a new set of front rotors and
> ceramic pads.
>
> Odometer gears are expected today as well, so that also might get
> addressed shortly, too.  Waiting on the tiny bulbs for the BE1432 faceplate
> to arrive so I can replace the burnt out ones and finally see the radio at
> night.
>
> Costco has a really good deal on Michelins, so I’ll head up there and get
> a set ordered.  The tires that are on it aren’t too bad, but they’re old.
> I noticed some sidewall damage on one of the rear tires when I was under
> the car last weekend.
>
> So still plenty to do...
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> So the states that don't require inspections need to collect some data.


Interesting that you would put the onus upon those States, rather than on
the ones that are actively promoting the bigger-government position.
(Reminds me of the Soviet position that their system would/could only begin
to work once the entire world was using it.  Yeah, right.)

Any/all data that one would need is already available.  Anything important
enough to justify such invasive government would be reflected in the
per-capita per-population-density actuarial statistics that are already
collected, for crime and property damage claims.  Compare the
program/non-program States.  It's probably fairly easy to quantify how much
such inspection programs _cost_, it's the benefit that is harder to
quantify.  But, can it be quantified sufficiently to determine if X is the
_best_ use of that amount towards the public weal?  My guess is yes, and
the answer would be: not even close.

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So the states that don't require inspections need to collect some data.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Inspection is the service stations' full employment bill.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Feb 25, 2018 12:55 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved
> > though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have
> a
> > $5 tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and
> > money and do more good in the end...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections -
> > especially in MD, where they failed
> > my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
> > plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
> > hassle.t
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan
> > > > Penoff via Mercedes
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > > > To: Mercedes List 
> > > > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > >
> > > > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> > > ever done
> > > > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> > > >
> > > > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> > > arbitrary
> > > > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> > > with a shop
> > > > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker
> > without
> > > > them ever seeing my car.
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > > > >
> > > > >> -Original Message-
> > > > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've
> never
> > > > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no
> vehicle
> > > > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> > > significantly
> > > > higher...
> > > > >> -Curt
> > > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Inspection is the service stations' full employment bill.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Feb 25, 2018 12:55 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved
> though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have a
> $5 tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and
> money and do more good in the end...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections -
> especially in MD, where they failed
> my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
> plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
> hassle.t
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > > Penoff via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > > To: Mercedes List 
> > > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >
> > > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> > ever done
> > > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> > >
> > > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> > arbitrary
> > > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> > with a shop
> > > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker
> without
> > > them ever seeing my car.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > > >
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > > >>
> > > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> > significantly
> > > higher...
> > > >> -Curt
> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There's no data to support the position that even one life has been saved 
though and tens of thousands of dollars are wasted. I'd rather just have a $5 
tax that helps low income people have safe cars. It'd save me time and money 
and do more good in the end...

Curt

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  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yeah, I have no love for inspections - 
especially in MD, where they failed
my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
hassle.t

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >
> > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> ever done
> > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> >
> > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> arbitrary
> > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> with a shop
> > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> > them ever seeing my car.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >>
> > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> significantly
> > higher...
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I have no love for inspections - especially in MD, where they failed
my 83 300TD for window tinting and some other BS.  So I got historic
plates.  Still, if even one fatality is avoided then IMO it's worth the
hassle.t

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:07 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >
> > I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were
> ever done
> > were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> >
> > Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was
> arbitrary
> > and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone
> with a shop
> > or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> > them ever seeing my car.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> > >>
> > >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> > >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> > >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't
> significantly
> > higher...
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, FL discontinued auto safety inspections in 1981,

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:02 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> 
> I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were ever 
> done
> were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> 
> Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was arbitrary
> and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone with a 
> shop
> or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without
> them ever seeing my car.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> >>
> >> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never
> >> seen any evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle
> >> inspection at all and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly
> higher...
> >> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We quit doing them in 2000 or 2001. You pulled into the gas station, paid $5, 
then put a sticker on your car. That was it. Every now and then you might get 
some guy who was on a power trip and wanted to nit pick something to drum up a 
muffler repair or something like that. You just left and went down the street 
to a different place. 

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> On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were ever 
> done were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.
> 
> Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was 
> arbitrary and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew 
> someone with a shop or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my 
> sticker without them ever seeing my car.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
>>> 
>>> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never seen 
>>> any
>>> evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle inspection at all
>>> and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly higher...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve lived here for over 20 years, and the only inspections that were ever done 
were for emissions, and those were only done around the Tampa area.

Indiana used to do inspections and it was a horrible system that was arbitrary 
and only really benefitted the shops that did it.  If I knew someone with a 
shop or mechanic’s license I could pay them the fee and get my sticker without 
them ever seeing my car.

-D

  
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
>> 
>> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never seen any
>> evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle inspection at all
>> and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly higher...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yup.  That's why FL quit doing auto inspections.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:40 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun
> 
> How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never seen any
> evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle inspection at all
> and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly higher...
> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How exactly does it keep dangerous vehicles off the road? I've never seen any 
evidence to support. There are many states with no vehicle inspection at all 
and their rate of vehicular tragedy isn't significantly higher...
-Curt
 

On Friday, February 23, 2018, 8:33:31 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Not really.  Keeps dangerous vehicles off the road.

Dropped my gf at National airport at 5 AM today.  A VA inspector was
checking tags on all arriving vehicles and nabbed her for an expired
license plate sticker.  At 5 AM in the rain.  Trying to catch a plane.
Sick sadists.  She talked him out of a $100 ticket.

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> Every "car inspection" done at the point of a gun is a scam.  DC, MD, IL,
> P.R. of HI, P.R. of Kollyfonia, they are all the same, a scam.
>
>
>> THat is worthy of going into the quotable Quote museum of the Okibenz
>> hall of fame.      DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum
>> and villainy."  I would modify to DC and surrounds:
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 10:06 AM
>> Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by its
>> proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and
>> villainy."
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not really.  Keeps dangerous vehicles off the road.

Dropped my gf at National airport at 5 AM today.  A VA inspector was
checking tags on all arriving vehicles and nabbed her for an expired
license plate sticker.  At 5 AM in the rain.  Trying to catch a plane.
Sick sadists.  She talked him out of a $100 ticket.

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> Every "car inspection" done at the point of a gun is a scam.  DC, MD, IL,
> P.R. of HI, P.R. of Kollyfonia, they are all the same, a scam.
>
>
>> THat is worthy of going into the quotable Quote museum of the Okibenz
>> hall of fame.   DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum
>> and villainy."   I would modify to DC and surrounds:
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 10:06 AM
>> Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by its
>> proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and
>> villainy."
>> -Curt
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Every "car inspection" done at the point of a gun is a scam.  DC, MD, 
IL, P.R. of HI, P.R. of Kollyfonia, they are all the same, a scam.




THat is worthy of going into the quotable Quote museum of the Okibenz 
hall of fame.   DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of 
scum and villainy."   I would modify to DC and surrounds:

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 10:06 AM
Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by 
its proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum 
and villainy."

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maryland's car inspection is a total scam. DC is much better.

On Feb 21, 2018 8:06 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by its
> proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and
> villainy."
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:58:39 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Curt - MD is  marginally more humane than MA.  By about 10 percent.
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little
> power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger
> one time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our
> house. She had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather
> than just letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500
> when it was all done with.
> For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry
> while her car was towed?
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are
> actually pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax
> Collector (DMV) and they tell me how to do something to save myself a
> buck.  Example, when I moved back into the state since I had a license
> plate that hadn’t been turned in I was able to use that registration to
> skip paying a $225.00 administrative fee for bringing a car in from out of
> state.
>
> That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.
>
> Glad I don’t live in MD.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com  > wrote:
> > Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when
> it is registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed
> Dealer, Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee
> or Tax Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect
> the vehicle and sign off.
> >
> > I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit
> up to do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this
> gave me a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive
> the car the 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently
> registered.  I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them
> put the call into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do
> around here as time permits.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Park next door and walk over in those juris-dick-shuns.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Having experienced both, you're wrong. MD is terminally infected by its 
proximity to DC. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and 
villainy."
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:58:39 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt - MD is  marginally more humane than MA.  By about 10 percent.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little 
power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger one 
time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our house. She 
had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather than just 
letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500 when it was 
all done with.
For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry while 
her car was towed?
-Curt


    On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are actually 
pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax Collector (DMV) 
and they tell me how to do something to save myself a buck.  Example, when I 
moved back into the state since I had a license plate that hadn’t been turned 
in I was able to use that registration to skip paying a $225.00 administrative 
fee for bringing a car in from out of state.

That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.

Glad I don’t live in MD.

-D


> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>
> That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their 
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or 
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:
> Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it is 
> registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer, 
> Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax 
> Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the 
> vehicle and sign off.
>
> I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up to 
> do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this gave me 
> a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive the car the 
> 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently registered.  
> I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them put the call 
> into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do around here as 
> time permits.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I just got pulled over a little while ago. I was literally in the middle of 
nowhere and did not have the cruise set like normal and was going a little 
fast. I got a laugh out of him asking me what was wrong with my car. I told him 
it was a diesel. He just told me to slow down and off I went.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little 
> power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger 
> one time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our 
> house. She had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather 
> than just letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500 
> when it was all done with.
> For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry 
> while her car was towed?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are actually 
> pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax Collector (DMV) 
> and they tell me how to do something to save myself a buck.  Example, when I 
> moved back into the state since I had a license plate that hadn’t been turned 
> in I was able to use that registration to skip paying a $225.00 
> administrative fee for bringing a car in from out of state.
> 
> That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.
> 
> Glad I don’t live in MD.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their 
>> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or 
>> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it is 
>> registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer, 
>> Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax 
>> Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the 
>> vehicle and sign off.
>> 
>> I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up 
>> to do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this 
>> gave me a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive the 
>> car the 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently 
>> registered.  I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them 
>> put the call into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do 
>> around here as time permits.
>> 
>> -D
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt - MD is  marginally more humane than MA.  By about 10 percent.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little
> power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger
> one time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our
> house. She had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather
> than just letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500
> when it was all done with.
> For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry
> while her car was towed?
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are
> actually pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax
> Collector (DMV) and they tell me how to do something to save myself a
> buck.  Example, when I moved back into the state since I had a license
> plate that hadn’t been turned in I was able to use that registration to
> skip paying a $225.00 administrative fee for bringing a car in from out of
> state.
>
> That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.
>
> Glad I don’t live in MD.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when
> it is registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed
> Dealer, Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee
> or Tax Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect
> the vehicle and sign off.
> >
> > I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit
> up to do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this
> gave me a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive
> the car the 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently
> registered.  I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them
> put the call into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do
> around here as time permits.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

In my experience public servants are generally jerks. They've got a little 
power and love to use it. I forgot to renew the registration on the Ranger one 
time, Angie got pulled over for expired tags about 2 miles from our house. She 
had a totally clean license, the cop had the truck towed rather than just 
letting her go home and get a different car. Cost us nearly $500 when it was 
all done with.
For what? What level of public safety was increased by making my wife cry while 
her car was towed?
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:25:43 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are actually 
pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax Collector (DMV) 
and they tell me how to do something to save myself a buck.  Example, when I 
moved back into the state since I had a license plate that hadn’t been turned 
in I was able to use that registration to skip paying a $225.00 administrative 
fee for bringing a car in from out of state.

That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.

Glad I don’t live in MD.

-D


> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their 
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or 
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it is 
> registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer, 
> Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax 
> Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the 
> vehicle and sign off.
> 
> I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up to 
> do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this gave me 
> a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive the car the 
> 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently registered.  
> I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them put the call 
> into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do around here as 
> time permits.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That is a d*ck move if I ever heard one.  Our public servants are actually 
pretty good about stuff like this.  Like when I go to the Tax Collector (DMV) 
and they tell me how to do something to save myself a buck.  Example, when I 
moved back into the state since I had a license plate that hadn’t been turned 
in I was able to use that registration to skip paying a $225.00 administrative 
fee for bringing a car in from out of state.

That saved me $675.00 when I moved back here.

Glad I don’t live in MD.

-D


> On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their 
> unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or 
> plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it is 
> registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer, 
> Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax 
> Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the 
> vehicle and sign off.
> 
> I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up to 
> do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this gave me 
> a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive the car the 
> 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently registered.  
> I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them put the call 
> into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do around here as 
> time permits.
> 
> -D

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's good customer service. Around here, people  who drive their
unregistered or expired tag cars to DMV to get the necessary documents or
plates are routinely ticketed in the DMV parking lots.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it
> is registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer,
> Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax
> Collector Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the
> vehicle and sign off.
>
> I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up
> to do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this
> gave me a chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive
> the car the 3-4 blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently
> registered.  I just called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them
> put the call into his rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do
> around here as time permits.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Do they verify for free or does the DMV or police charge for this
> service?
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Updated the blog with the thing I got done today.  Nothing major, just a
> bunch of little piddly things, but that stuff adds up over time.  Had my
> local gendarme come by and verify my VIN so I can get a registration and
> title on Thursday when I’m back in the office.  If I get it done in the
> morning I can order my keys and ignition cylinder at lunch.
> >
> > http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html  400E_Blog.html>  http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html>>
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 400E Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Any car brought in from out of state has to have the VIN verified when it is 
registered. It can be done by a Florida Notary Public, Licensed Dealer, Police 
Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax Collector 
Employee. No fee involved, just fill out a form, inspect the vehicle and sign 
off.

I have a good friend and neighbor who is an attorney that I usually hit up to 
do this, but we’ve got a new community service officer (CSO) and this gave me a 
chance to meet him.  Plus it also meant I didn’t have to drive the car the 3-4 
blocks to go to my friend’s house, since it’s not currently registered.  I just 
called up our local sheriff’s substation and had them put the call into his 
rotation.  It’s a courtesy thing that LEO will do around here as time permits.

-D


> On Feb 20, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Do they verify for free or does the DMV or police charge for this service?
> 
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Updated the blog with the thing I got done today.  Nothing major, just a 
> bunch of little piddly things, but that stuff adds up over time.  Had my 
> local gendarme come by and verify my VIN so I can get a registration and 
> title on Thursday when I’m back in the office.  If I get it done in the 
> morning I can order my keys and ignition cylinder at lunch.
> 
> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html 
>  
>  >
> 
> -D
> 
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Do they verify for free or does the DMV or police charge for this service?

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Updated the blog with the thing I got done today.  Nothing major, just a
> bunch of little piddly things, but that stuff adds up over time.  Had my
> local gendarme come by and verify my VIN so I can get a registration and
> title on Thursday when I’m back in the office.  If I get it done in the
> morning I can order my keys and ignition cylinder at lunch.
>
> http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html  400E_Blog.html>
>
> -D
>
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