Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Why would someone go to that much trouble and have such a crappy interior on the car? Looking at the door panels you would think they ran out of money about the time they got around to the interior... Dan --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Thomas Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Thomas Savage tesav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW M To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 10:21 PM Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want to pump? Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the details. I wonder if the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model S-class, presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by looking at the engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump was powerful enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows, seats, locks, automatic martini mixer, etc.). Or did they figure out a way to run the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12? Since I bought my Euro 126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic stuff is suddenly of great interest to me. I don't know anything about W140 S600s or their hydraulics, but the W100 hydraulic pump is set up in tandem with the power steering pump. That's it mounted on the right side of the v12, with the cooling fins on it. http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg The M100 has a big fluid reservoir alongside the pump. That might be it on the left side of the firewall, though the original was black metal. The fluid that goes in it is $42 for 500mL. So my uneducated guess is that it was just a matter of mounting a pump and rerouting lines. That part was probably child's play for the mad scientist with the skills to undertake such a project. Speaking of mad scientists, check this out: http://mbgrand600.com/Page80.html Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Thomas Savagetesav...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine? Easy, just use a stack of these: http://www.thesuccessfulsalon.com/images/euro500.jpg Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want to pump? Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the details. I wonder if the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model S-class, presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by looking at the engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump was powerful enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows, seats, locks, automatic martini mixer, etc.). Or did they figure out a way to run the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12? Since I bought my Euro 126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic stuff is suddenly of great interest to me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hydraulics cost money---how high pressure do you want to pump? Yeah, obviously, but I still want to know the details. I wonder if the car from which the engine was pulled (a late-model S-class, presumably, but I don't know which chassis just by looking at the engine) had SLS, and if so, if the SLS hydraulic pump was powerful enough to run all the systems in the Grosser (windows, seats, locks, automatic martini mixer, etc.). Or did they figure out a way to run the pump from the 600 engine with the new V12? Since I bought my Euro 126 project car with four-wheel SLS all this hydraulic stuff is suddenly of great interest to me. I don't know anything about W140 S600s or their hydraulics, but the W100 hydraulic pump is set up in tandem with the power steering pump. That's it mounted on the right side of the v12, with the cooling fins on it. http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg The M100 has a big fluid reservoir alongside the pump. That might be it on the left side of the firewall, though the original was black metal. The fluid that goes in it is $42 for 500mL. So my uneducated guess is that it was just a matter of mounting a pump and rerouting lines. That part was probably child's play for the mad scientist with the skills to undertake such a project. Speaking of mad scientists, check this out: http://mbgrand600.com/Page80.html Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine? Easy, just use a stack of these: http://www.thesuccessfulsalon.com/images/euro500.jpg Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: For some reason, it seems to me that it wanted to be an XKE and failed. Perhaps you were thinking of one XKE in particular? Alex -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xke-hearse-vs-m-coupe.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 72129 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090901/bce07427/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:51 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for instance: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html.. You want to spend 17K on a BMW then you need this: http://jalopnik.com/5349440/how-to-build-a-500-hp-v10-e30-m3 From the article: Dropping the 500 HP S85 V10 from the E60 M5http://jalopnik.com/tag/e60-m5/into the engine bay of an E30 M3 http://jalopnik.com/tag/e30-m3/ requires building an essentially all-new chassis underneath the classic body. Here's how it's done. EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090901/b8b0a0f2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Ed Booheredboo...@gmail.com wrote: You want to spend 17K on a BMW then you need this: http://jalopnik.com/5349440/how-to-build-a-500-hp-v10-e30-m3 Bah! Humbug! The people who did that should be horsewhipped. Destroying a first-generation M3, one of the all-time classics of the '80s! Why couldn't they have used an ordinary E30 as a donor car, or an E36 M3 (comparatively speaking far more plentiful)? It's like dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Alex Chamberlain wrote: It's like dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser. Found one! http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Thomas Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: It's like dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser. Found one! http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg Tom Oh Heck Yes! Time to drop that under the hood of my W110. Mmmm V12 Finny! EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090902/f2fb4def/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Thomas Savagetesav...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: It's like dropping a new Mercedes V12 in a 600 Grosser. Found one! http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1518/68600pullmanengine7ht.jpg Hmm. Wonder how they adapted all the hydraulics to the new engine? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for instance: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html.. That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed to death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's repairable. The wheels make the car. The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090831/dc1bef45/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best. Far better than anything MB has produced lately. Their wheels are better looking too. relng...@aol.com writes: ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for instance: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html.. That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed to death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's repairable. The wheels make the car. The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course. RLE -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Allan Streib wrote: Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best. Far better than anything MB has produced lately. Their wheels are better looking too. For some reason, it seems to me that it wanted to be an XKE and failed. Too little hood aand too much cabin gives you a car that makes the four seater XKE look sporty. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW M
Just right for a single guy and his dog. Ed 300E 2009/8/31 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Can't say I'm crazy about this little car overall, but IMO the front end styling (hood, grille, headlights) of a BMW is just one of the best. Far better than anything MB has produced lately. Their wheels are better looking too. relng...@aol.com writes: ...I can think of few better ways to invest $17K than this one, for instance: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/134785.html.. That is a very well kept car and it's plain that it hasn't been detailed to death just for the pictures. Too bad about the seat damage but it's repairable. The wheels make the car. The seller's claim about the handling is not quite so, of course. RLE -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090831/f55e7b7a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
