Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Don says his primary vehicle is a Cessna. 
Mitch. 
> On December 9, 2016 at 3:05 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> But, in the military they would call it a training flight. Always good 
> to have practise.
> Fly lots or don't fly at all.

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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

But, in the military they would call it a training flight. Always good 
to have practise.

Fly lots or don't fly at all.

RB

On 08/12/2016 11:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

6 hours and 14 minutes, plus a fuel stop, if there are no winds. It's 850
miles (without stopping at your place).
After thinking about it, my time is better spent building the Tailwind than
looking at MBs like I no longer own  :-(


On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How long would it take to get down there in a Cessna?




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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

I don't blame you especially considering the cost of aviation fuel.

Manfred



Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 23:31:19 -0600
From: OK Don 


6 hours and 14 minutes, plus a fuel stop, if there are no winds. It's 850
miles (without stopping at your place).
After thinking about it, my time is better spent building the Tailwind than
looking at MBs like I no longer own  :-(


On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How long would it take to get down there in a Cessna?





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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You should forget about all that and focus more on old MB

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:31 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 6 hours and 14 minutes, plus a fuel stop, if there are no winds. It's 850
> miles (without stopping at your place).
> After thinking about it, my time is better spent building the Tailwind than
> looking at MBs like I no longer own  :-(
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> How long would it take to get down there in a Cessna?
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[OK Don via Mercedes]

6 hours and 14 minutes, plus a fuel stop, if there are no winds. It's 850
miles (without stopping at your place).
After thinking about it, my time is better spent building the Tailwind than
looking at MBs like I no longer own  :-(


On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How long would it take to get down there in a Cessna?
>

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Averages in Jan are about 68 to 42 or so. That said it could go 
down to the mid 20's at night or stay at around 50. It all 
depends on the jet stream and what blows down from the north. A 
normal seeping bag should be just fine. If not then a blanket 
over it will do the job.


Manfred

Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:30:50 -0500
From: Max Dillon 

Hmm, camping  What are typical nighttime temperatures 
mid-January?

-- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300

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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In Manfred’s neck of the woods it could easily get into the 30s at night in 
January.  I’ll let him weigh in for sure, but it’s a bit colder where he is 
from my house, and 40s at night in January around here isn’t unusual.

Dan

> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, camping  What are typical nighttime temperatures mid-January?
> -- 
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> 
> On December 8, 2016 9:12:54 PM EST, MG via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>> It is near Hawthorne, Fl and there is plenty of room for camping, 
>> trailers, vans or motorhomes. Nearest real airport is Gainesville 
>> and pickup can be arranged.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:12:58 -0600
>>> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> Manfred has graciously offered his vast estate as a meeting place. 
>> It 
>>> will be Jan 14, and if everyone is amenable, spilling over to the
>> 15th.  
>>> The 16th is MLK day so some folks have that off as a travel day. 
>> OKDonn 
>>> has expressed some interest in flying down and Manfred has offered to
>> 
>>> clear trees on his runway.  There is an offer of target shooting. 
>> BBQ 
>>> plan currently is to drive in to Dianne's for Q, however that may
>> change 
>>> if someone volunteers to be chief Qmaster.  If someone volunteers as 
>>> Qmaster, I will buy some of the food.
>>> 
 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 December 8, 2016 at 5:43 PM
 Ok so what is this q and when is it?
 
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Hmm, camping  What are typical nighttime temperatures mid-January?
-- 
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On December 8, 2016 9:12:54 PM EST, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:
>It is near Hawthorne, Fl and there is plenty of room for camping, 
>trailers, vans or motorhomes. Nearest real airport is Gainesville 
>and pickup can be arranged.
>
>Manfred
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:12:58 -0600
>> From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Manfred has graciously offered his vast estate as a meeting place. 
>It 
>> will be Jan 14, and if everyone is amenable, spilling over to the
>15th.  
>> The 16th is MLK day so some folks have that off as a travel day. 
>OKDonn 
>> has expressed some interest in flying down and Manfred has offered to
>
>> clear trees on his runway.  There is an offer of target shooting. 
>BBQ 
>> plan currently is to drive in to Dianne's for Q, however that may
>change 
>> if someone volunteers to be chief Qmaster.  If someone volunteers as 
>> Qmaster, I will buy some of the food.
>> 
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> December 8, 2016 at 5:43 PM
>>> Ok so what is this q and when is it?
>>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

It is near Hawthorne, Fl and there is plenty of room for camping, 
trailers, vans or motorhomes. Nearest real airport is Gainesville 
and pickup can be arranged.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:12:58 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

Manfred has graciously offered his vast estate as a meeting place.  It 
will be Jan 14, and if everyone is amenable, spilling over to the 15th.  
The 16th is MLK day so some folks have that off as a travel day.  OKDonn 
has expressed some interest in flying down and Manfred has offered to 
clear trees on his runway.  There is an offer of target shooting.  BBQ 
plan currently is to drive in to Dianne's for Q, however that may change 
if someone volunteers to be chief Qmaster.  If someone volunteers as 
Qmaster, I will buy some of the food.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 8, 2016 at 5:43 PM
Ok so what is this q and when is it?



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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

I probably shouldn't mention it but there is a hydraulic jack 
conversion injector tester somewhere in the garage. Don't know 
quite where or how clean it is. So much junk so little that is 
worthless.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 14:42:12 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

I think Martha should bring his box o' new nozzles to the MiniQ and they 
could be installed and adjusted by committee!


Jaime can bring his pop tester unless someone closer has one.


MG via Mercedes 
December 8, 2016 at 1:37 PM
Then again if you are close enough you could come to the MiniQ and we 
can git'er'done.


Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm
In Houston till the 12th iirc. If ok don wants to fly in and pick me up maybe I 
can go. How long would it take to get down there in a Cessna?

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think near Gainesville Florida?
> 
> I've got some pretty good chance at getting down there, bringing SWMBO & 
> SWMBette, so if you come Regina needs to escort you.
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On December 8, 2016 8:02:01 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> Where is the location?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think near Gainesville Florida?

I've got some pretty good chance at getting down there, bringing SWMBO & 
SWMBette, so if you come Regina needs to escort you.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 8, 2016 8:02:01 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Where is the location?
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Where is the location?


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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Manfred has graciously offered his vast estate as a meeting place.  It will 
> be Jan 14, and if everyone is amenable, spilling over to the 15th.  The 16th 
> is MLK day so some folks have that off as a travel day.  OKDonn has expressed 
> some interest in flying down and Manfred has offered to clear trees on his 
> runway.  There is an offer of target shooting.  BBQ plan currently is to 
> drive in to Dianne's for Q, however that may change if someone volunteers to 
> be chief Qmaster.  If someone volunteers as Qmaster, I will buy some of the 
> food.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 8, 2016 at 5:43 PM
>> Ok so what is this q and when is it?
>> 
>> Sent from my dash mounted MBPhone
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Manfred has graciously offered his vast estate as a meeting place.  It 
will be Jan 14, and if everyone is amenable, spilling over to the 15th.  
The 16th is MLK day so some folks have that off as a travel day.  OKDonn 
has expressed some interest in flying down and Manfred has offered to 
clear trees on his runway.  There is an offer of target shooting.  BBQ 
plan currently is to drive in to Dianne's for Q, however that may change 
if someone volunteers to be chief Qmaster.  If someone volunteers as 
Qmaster, I will buy some of the food.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 8, 2016 at 5:43 PM
Ok so what is this q and when is it?

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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok so what is this q and when is it?

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> On Dec 8, 2016, at 1:20 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Sounds good to me. The more the merrier.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 23:05:34 -0500
> From: Max Dillon 
> 
> 
> Manfred, any objection to inviting non-list folks?  I know a fellow down near 
> st Pete (I think) who may be interested.
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Sounds good to me. The more the merrier.

Manfred

Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 23:05:34 -0500
From: Max Dillon 


Manfred, any objection to inviting non-list folks?  I know a 
fellow down near st Pete (I think) who may be interested.

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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[MG via Mercedes]

Sounds good to me. We could even do a fire in the evening and of 
course a tour of the dome if there is interest. Heck we can 
wander over the whole place if enough energy presents itself.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 21:13:22 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

Anyone from further up the coast interested?  Andrew, if you drive down 
we'll help wax your wagon and I'll buy you a beer.


Is there anyone for whom the 14th/15th does not work?  I'm thinking the 
Q itself would be something like noon to 5 pm or so on the 14th.  Pre 
and post activities (made up onsite) for those who can and do.




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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Works for me.

Dan


> On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, it appears there are no objections to the 14th, and maybe 15th for the 
> FLminiQ.  With the 16th being a holiday for some, those who wish to do 
> something as a group/subgroup on the 15th may want to.  I'd suggest we 
> assemble Saturday morning, look over each other's cars, etc., then maybe go 
> to Dianne's around noonish for some Q.  Then we can plan the rest of the 
> day's activities.  Probably looking over cars, maybe some diagnosis/repair 
> and some test driving.  Manfred says those who want to can do some target 
> practice.  If someone wants to do more planning, you are welcome to.  My 
> thought is to let it evolve once we gather.  I don't know anyone else's 
> preferences.
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

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Manfred, any objection to inviting non-list folks?  I know a fellow down near 
st Pete (I think) who may be interested.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 7, 2016 9:44:25 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>OK, it appears there are no objections to the 14th, and maybe 15th for 
>the FLminiQ.  With the 16th being a holiday for some, those who wish to
>
>do something as a group/subgroup on the 15th may want to.  I'd suggest 
>we assemble Saturday morning, look over each other's cars, etc., then 
>maybe go to Dianne's around noonish for some Q.  Then we can plan the 
>rest of the day's activities.  Probably looking over cars, maybe some 
>diagnosis/repair and some test driving.  Manfred says those who want to
>
>can do some target practice.  If someone wants to do more planning, you
>
>are welcome to.  My thought is to let it evolve once we gather.  I
>don't 
>know anyone else's preferences.
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Re: [MBZ] FL miniQ

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

OK, it appears there are no objections to the 14th, and maybe 15th for 
the FLminiQ.  With the 16th being a holiday for some, those who wish to 
do something as a group/subgroup on the 15th may want to.  I'd suggest 
we assemble Saturday morning, look over each other's cars, etc., then 
maybe go to Dianne's around noonish for some Q.  Then we can plan the 
rest of the day's activities.  Probably looking over cars, maybe some 
diagnosis/repair and some test driving.  Manfred says those who want to 
can do some target practice.  If someone wants to do more planning, you 
are welcome to.  My thought is to let it evolve once we gather.  I don't 
know anyone else's preferences.


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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Anyone from further up the coast interested?  Andrew, if you drive down 
we'll help wax your wagon and I'll buy you a beer.


Is there anyone for whom the 14th/15th does not work?  I'm thinking the 
Q itself would be something like noon to 5 pm or so on the 14th.  Pre 
and post activities (made up onsite) for those who can and do.

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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All true.  But I might pay  upfront.  As a MOA lifer, I might be able to 
wrangle a guest escort and a free look about.  (no $$)  Until we 
finalize a date, I am not going to worry about how to get in.



MG via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 8:56 PM
It says the only way to get into that is to buy the ticket for $55. 
Limit is 500 people and no one gets in during the event without prior 
ticket purchase. Probably need to be riding a BMW also. The event 
takes place on the military base so no way to get there unless you are 
in the group or have military ID.


Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[MG via Mercedes]

It says the only way to get into that is to buy the ticket for 
$55. Limit is 500 people and no one gets in during the event 
without prior ticket purchase. Probably need to be riding a BMW 
also. The event takes place on the military base so no way to get 
there unless you are in the group or have military ID.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:49:01 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

Hmmm.

BMW motorsickle rally not far from Hawthorne/Gainesville FL the weekend 
of Jan 14.


http://www.bmwmoa.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=856821

Could be fun to go there before/after the MiniQ.

Any of you SE listers interested in BMWs too?  (I only like the 2 wheel 
variety without electronics)


The 4 wheel variety are like high cost, high maintenance women.



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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley sez:

>‎I kinda like 13-16 as that gives me the >option to pop into the BMWMOA 
>rally too!‎
‎
Buy Manfred's Air Head and go in style...‎

Rick 

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yellowknife.  Summer.  Clouds of blackflies so thick you couldn’t see.  Gosh 
awful nasty things that get in your mouth, ears, everywhere.

Makes one appreciate winter.

Dan

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all summer, 
> and we had them til October.
> 
> Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to get at 
> out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get welts the size 
> of golf balls when they bite.
> 
> The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and lick it 
> up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very attractive, too!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What about horseflies? They're pretty hostile and aggressive.

On Dec 5, 2016 9:58 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all
> summer, and we had them til October.
>
> Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to get
> at out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get welts the
> size of golf balls when they bite.
>
> The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and lick
> it up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very attractive, too!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all  
summer, and we had them til October.


Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to  
get at out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get  
welts the size of golf balls when they bite.


The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and  
lick it up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very  
attractive, too!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Them marsh skeeters we have around here drink that stuff for their 
evening cocktail.  Then there is the noseeums that hurt like hell when 
they take a chunk out of you.


A few weeks back after the hurricane, when the crop got going pretty 
well, a coupla of them picked me up to take me off to eat me.  While 
they're flying off with me, one says to the other, "Let's take him out 
to the island to eat him."  The other one says, "NO! don't do that, them 
big uns'll take him away from us!"


--FT

On 12/5/16 7:23 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I wonder about you. My first thought would be to say  Wow what a great 
idea, come on over any time you feel like it.


Skeeters are a no problem thing. Ever heard of deep woods off? It's 
the ticks that you have to worry about.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:46:02 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one was
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking around
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you could
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking about
having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her
general appearance...

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Manfred wrote:
> Ha! I wish it was a vast estate.

Back to nekkid... How about nekkid in rural suburban area?  The empty
warehouse out the back door here might satisfy nekked wandering
around?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

I wonder about you. My first thought would be to say  Wow what a 
great idea, come on over any time you feel like it.


Skeeters are a no problem thing. Ever heard of deep woods off? 
It's the ticks that you have to worry about.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:46:02 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one 
was
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking 
around
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you 
could
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking 
about

having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her
general appearance...

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Ha! I wish it was a vast estate. I'd love to have a place where 
you would have to fly for a couple of hours to get from the edge 
to the house. Still wouldn't reduce the overwatch nowadays.


Manfred



Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 16:42:29 -0500
From: Max Dillon 

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's the skeeters I am concerned about, not the NWO.

When we bought the place our realtors were these two sisters, one was 
newly married but the other one was really hot.  We're walking around 
the property and she comes out with. "Wow if you lived here you could 
walk around naked all the time."  And was cringing just thinking about 
having someone of that mindset suggesting such a thing, given her 
general appearance...


--FT


On 12/5/16 4:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...


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enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's one of the main advantages to owning a vast estate, clothing state 
becomes whatever you feel like!  At least life used to be that way, before 
drones etc...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 5, 2016 3:11:26 PM EST, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
>walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always 
>thought it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now 
>where did I put that tinfoil beanie?
>
>Manfred
>
>try to scrub that one out of your minds!
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
>> From: "d...@penoff.com" 
>> 
>> Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office
>do, I can assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater
>resolution from that high up in space for a long time.
>> 
>> The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records
>and reports, it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is
>usually much lower resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of
>vegetation, sometimes the illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.
>> 
>> Dan 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=201610187579.russian_aluminum_foil_second_skin

--FT


On 12/5/16 3:11 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always thought 
it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now where did I put 
that tinfoil beanie?


Manfred

try to scrub that one out of your minds!



Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office 
do, I can assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater 
resolution from that high up in space for a long time.


The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records 
and reports, it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is 
usually much lower resolution and shifted to infrared for detection 
of vegetation, sometimes the illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.


Dan 


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Man what a bunch of pervies at that NRO. I'm gonna have to stop 
walking around nakid in the woods from now on. Here I always 
thought it was the helicopters that did the pot looking. Now 
where did I put that tinfoil beanie?


Manfred

try to scrub that one out of your minds!



Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:38:38 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office do, I can 
assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater resolution from 
that high up in space for a long time.

The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records and reports, 
it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is usually much lower 
resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of vegetation, sometimes the 
illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.

Dan 


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Having seen the work the folks at the National Reconnaissance Office do, I can 
assure you that they've been able to see you at far greater resolution from 
that high up in space for a long time.

The Department of Agriculture uses aerial surveys for crop records and reports, 
it's very possible that's what you saw. Their imagery is usually much lower 
resolution and shifted to infrared for detection of vegetation, sometimes the 
illegal kind as Kaleb suggests.

Dan 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 9:05 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north south passes 
> at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west that takes about 1/2 hr to 
> come back from the north and about an hour from the south it makes you 
> wonder. I'm thinking that they do the closer images with the plane and the 
> higher altitude ones from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes 
> to download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 1000' 
> another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger area ones that were 
> loaded for the higher altitude view. I've seen the flight pattern from a 
> similar looking 2 engine plane twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed 
> the different closeup views about a week after. Of course the larger area 
> pictures change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
> maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
> Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be thinking that 
> so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.
>> I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No they are just looking for pot

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:05 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north south passes 
> at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west that takes about 1/2 hr to 
> come back from the north and about an hour from the south it makes you 
> wonder. I'm thinking that they do the closer images with the plane and the 
> higher altitude ones from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes 
> to download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 1000' 
> another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger area ones that were 
> loaded for the higher altitude view. I've seen the flight pattern from a 
> similar looking 2 engine plane twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed 
> the different closeup views about a week after. Of course the larger area 
> pictures change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
> maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
> Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be thinking that 
> so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
>> From: Dan Penoff 
>> No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.
>> I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

That's what I used to think but when the same plane makes north 
south passes at about 1000' and about a mile apart east to west 
that takes about 1/2 hr to come back from the north and about an 
hour from the south it makes you wonder. I'm thinking that they 
do the closer images with the plane and the higher altitude ones 
from the sat. I'm on a dial up line so the time it takes to 
download the images is noticeable. When you get down to about 
1000' another set of images is loaded that replaces the larger 
area ones that were loaded for the higher altitude view. I've 
seen the flight pattern from a similar looking 2 engine plane 
twice now about 3-5 years apart and noticed the different closeup 
views about a week after. Of course the larger area pictures 
change at the same time so it could still be all sat images. Or 
maybe it's the MIB keeping an eye on us.
Of course being German I'm probably just being paranoid to be 
thinking that so I like the Google picture taking theory better. :-)


Manfred



Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 11:40:19 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 

No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.

I did some checking and that?s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.

I did some checking and that’s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.

Dan


> On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:04 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep. That's the place alright. I was drilling holes in the beams so that I 
> could put rebar through them to lift and plant them in the concrete. I 
> remember hearing the plane fly over and stood up to look at it.
> 
> Manfred
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Yep. That's the place alright. I was drilling holes in the beams 
so that I could put rebar through them to lift and plant them in 
the concrete. I remember hearing the plane fly over and stood up 
to look at it.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 18:45:57 -0700
From: Craig 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 09:44:39 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
north end then the south.


I saw that. It is very visible on the satellite picture.



If the picture you see has some long poles sitting near it on the edge
of the runway laying E-W then look real close at the E end of the poles
and you can see a shadow of me standing there.


Yup, as shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 01:48:09 +
From: Rick Knoble 
To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal
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?Dan ponders :


?So I?m wondering how difficult replacing >the shaft seal on one of these could 
be.?


?Century Bob sez on the 10PA the seal goes in from behind, so the compressor 
has to be disassembled. He says that at about 1:14 in the second video. This 
guy is frickin' good.?

?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5lLC5v6PE&sns=em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MangGmPZc6g&sns=em

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:51:28 -0600
From: Peter Frederick 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal
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I've done two.

Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the  
seals.


Not a bad job.

Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the  
four under the top plate.


The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've  
never had an issue with them after that.


Peter



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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 21:06:07 -0500
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Thanks, Rick and Peter.

Just got done watching Bob?s videos on resealing.  Looks pretty straightforward 
and not difficult at all.  I ordered a resealing kit with the shaft protector 
on eBay for about $23 just now, so I?ll probably take this on next week.

Any reason why one couldn?t use compressor oil rather than mineral oil for 
reassembly?

Also, I assume there are charts somewhere that will give the amount of oil to 
fill the compressor with before reinstalling it?  I?ll do some Googling?.

Dan

 

On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've done two.

Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the seals.

Not a bad job.

Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the four under 
the top plate.

The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've never had 
an issue with them after that.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 09:44:39 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
> north end then the south.

I saw that. It is very visible on the satellite picture.


> If the picture you see has some long poles sitting near it on the edge
> of the runway laying E-W then look real close at the E end of the poles
> and you can see a shadow of me standing there.

Yup, as shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Nope, trees all around, that's why you would need to be above 100 
by the end. An amusing story, I invited a friend over one time. 
He flies an ultralight just like I do, from a long paved runway 
at a local airplane community. He flew over along the runway and 
left, didn't land. When I called him to ask why he told me that 
my runway was to narrow (90') and short. For an ultralight? 
Really? It all depends on what you are comfortable with. With 
your plane I would probably be uncomfortable. With mine I'm in 
the air at 200 and at better then 300 by the end of the runway. 
That's good enough for me to turn around and have a good chance 
at getting down. I probably should try that when I get back to 
flying.


As for the trees, yep it's been a while since I've used it. Told 
myself I wouldn't fly till I got the dome done. It's taken a bit 
longer then I thought it would. Slight understatement there. I 
could have the trees out and ready to go in a week. Just give me 
the word.


The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
north end then the south. If the picture you see has some long 
poles sitting near it on the edge of the runway laying E-W then 
look real close at the E end of the poles and you can see a 
shadow of me standing there. Those are the poles that are now 
holding up the roof of the solar support structure.


Manfred


Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:28:49 -0600
From: OK Don 


I only need 800 feet, if the ends are clear (no trees, power 
lines, etc.).


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's not an official runway anymore. The airplane(s) must have moved on
years ago. The dome house is why I thought it was Manfred's place.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:50:47 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > 29°33'15.72" N  82°04'37.78" W
>
> I see some small ones at  29°33'15.77" N  82°04'36.5" W
>
> and a larger one at29°33'05.8" N  82°04'40.7" W
>
>
> Is that your geodesic dome home nearby?
>
>
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:50:47 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 29°33'15.72" N  82°04'37.78" W

I see some small ones at  29°33'15.77" N  82°04'36.5" W

and a larger one at29°33'05.8" N  82°04'40.7" W


Is that your geodesic dome home nearby?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

for now we are debating a date.  Jan 7 and 21 are in the mix, and if I 
disappoint #1 daughter and #1 soon to be son in law, the Jan 14 is in 
there also.  Max needs a weekend, but social Director may have other 
plan for him.  If Max gets a thumbs down, then any date in there can 
work for most of us.  What works for you?



OK Don via Mercedes 
November 30, 2016 at 5:36 PM
Hmmm - after I install the new alternator belt I'll find out how far to
100' AGL. I know that I can get off the ground in 800', but haven't tried
to find the 100' AGL distance.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:05 PM, MG via Mercedes 



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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I doubt it.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Can you do a u-turn in under 700' after liftoff?
>
> > On November 30, 2016 at 6:36 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hmmm - after I install the new alternator belt I'll find out how far to
> > 100' AGL. I know that I can get off the ground in 800', but haven't tried
> > to find the 100' AGL distance.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Can you do a u-turn in under 700' after liftoff?

> On November 30, 2016 at 6:36 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmmm - after I install the new alternator belt I'll find out how far to
> 100' AGL. I know that I can get off the ground in 800', but haven't tried
> to find the 100' AGL distance.

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Looks like a few trees have sprouted up in the runway -

 29°33'15.72" N  82°04'37.78" W



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:36 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Hmmm - after I install the new alternator belt I'll find out how far to
> 100' AGL. I know that I can get off the ground in 800', but haven't tried
> to find the 100' AGL distance.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:05 PM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Yep. Just south of Hawthorne, Fl. If you look at Google 3mi south of
>> Hawthorne and 1mi east you can see the dirt air strip running just about
>> N-S. If Don can be above 100' at the end of 1500' on a dirt strip then it
>> would work.
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>



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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - after I install the new alternator belt I'll find out how far to
100' AGL. I know that I can get off the ground in 800', but haven't tried
to find the 100' AGL distance.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:05 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yep. Just south of Hawthorne, Fl. If you look at Google 3mi south of
> Hawthorne and 1mi east you can see the dirt air strip running just about
> N-S. If Don can be above 100' at the end of 1500' on a dirt strip then it
> would work.
>
> Manfred
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Yep. Just south of Hawthorne, Fl. If you look at Google 3mi south 
of Hawthorne and 1mi east you can see the dirt air strip running 
just about N-S. If Don can be above 100' at the end of 1500' on a 
dirt strip then it would work.


Manfred




Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 14:30:50 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 

Central Florida, as in near Gainesville.

Manfred has a massive spread capable of parking many and maybe even landing 
Don?s Cessna.




On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Where is this again? There's a 301 near our DC beltway.


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ WAS needs much repair 82 380SEL

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

None of my business  but as a Q veteran. I think your first FL Q should
focus on cars & get food at a restaurant.  Then later you can move into
cooking. Our Q has evolved over  9 years thanks to Coleman Curt & my access
to clams,at end of my street.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Nov 29, 2016 8:57 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Diane's BBQ or somewhere in Gainesville sounds good to me, unless someone
> is inspired to cook up sump'in.   A place where we can meet, talk and gawk
> at each other's cars is all that is necessary AFIK.
>
> MG via Mercedes 
>> November 29, 2016 at 5:55 PM
>> Yeah but do you want to plan something to cook and see how many would
>> come or shall we just meet and go to Diane's BBQ or somewhere in
>> Gainesville and eat there? I am clueless on all this stuff.
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ WAS needs much repair 82 380SEL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Diane's BBQ or somewhere in Gainesville sounds good to me, unless 
someone is inspired to cook up sump'in.   A place where we can meet, 
talk and gawk at each other's cars is all that is necessary AFIK.



MG via Mercedes 
November 29, 2016 at 5:55 PM
Yeah but do you want to plan something to cook and see how many would 
come or shall we just meet and go to Diane's BBQ or somewhere in 
Gainesville and eat there? I am clueless on all this stuff.


Manfred



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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ WAS needs much repair 82 380SEL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We’ll just private message on this stuff when the time gets closer to decide 
what to do.  We’ve got a month to worry about it and get a solid date from 
Curley….

Dan


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:55 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but do you want to plan something to cook and see how many would come or 
> shall we just meet and go to Diane's BBQ or somewhere in Gainesville and eat 
> there? I am clueless on all this stuff.
> 
> Manfred
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ WAS needs much repair 82 380SEL

[MG via Mercedes]

Yeah but do you want to plan something to cook and see how many 
would come or shall we just meet and go to Diane's BBQ or 
somewhere in Gainesville and eat there? I am clueless on all this 
stuff.


Manfred





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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:47:03 -0500
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I thought Curley was saying he would be here in early January?

Dan



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