I liked the pair of 100watters on my old truck, had them aimed right at
the windshield of oncoming cars to cross at 100ft, when the Bimmer
drivers (who all seem to like to leave the aux lights on all the time,
aimed too high) got a shot of those they felt my pain. Those lights
would throw a
To make matters worse, some of these lights are tinted
blue, which creates even more scattering and glare than a normal headlamp.
Funny you should talk about glarethose DOT lamps are such total
shitthe other day I was sitting in traffic and compred the beam pattern
from my 124 Euro
Jeff Zedic wrote:
I know that I don't have any glare problems when I'm driving at night in the
UK. I still wonder why the USDOT wants us all to be blind at night! I think
they've based their syandard on some 50 year old nonsense..AGAIN!
That's pretty much it. They claim the European
David,
David Brodbeck wrote:
ernest breakfield wrote:
back to the point; since fog lights are additional light sources and
aimed lower than
headlights, fogs shouldn't cause any more dazzle, and use of them does
help increase
conspicuity (especially those of a different color).
of course, more simply, just don't look at the silly things!
That is difficult to do, and half of the definition of 'glare' is
the reduction in contrast of the _entire_ visual field due to
scatter in the optics. (That would be your eye, and the windshield.)
Dodge trucks and Subarus have
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I disagree. I think headlights should be left on at all times, as it
helps other drivers see your car even in daylight, preventing people
from pulling out too early, etc. Headlights are not bright enough to
cause visibility problems for other
Jim:
Perhaps my fogs are not focused properly (but I think they are.) I like the
how they illuminate beyond the edge of the road - even past the fence line.
At moderate speeds I can spot deer eyes and movement far sooner with fogs
than with regular head lights. Of course at super highways
Perhaps my fogs are not focused properly (but I think they are.) I
like the
how they illuminate beyond the edge of the road - even past the fence
line.
At moderate speeds I can spot deer eyes and movement far sooner with
fogs
than with regular head lights. Of course at super highways speeds
properly adjusted quality front fog lights wouldn't blind anyone, and add a
great deal to the conspicuity of your vehicle in traffic (with or without fog).
given the caliber of our average fellow motorists as evidenced by what they
will pull out of and then claim they didn't see, almost anything
ernest breakfield wrote:
properly adjusted quality front fog lights wouldn't blind anyone, and add a
great deal to the conspicuity of your vehicle in traffic (with or without
fog).
given the caliber of our average fellow motorists as evidenced by what they
will pull out of and then claim
part of the confusion here seems to be due to the Amerikun definition of
Parking Lights; to most of the world, Parking Lights are the lights that
light up only one front and one rear lamp on the selected side of
the vehicle, and are meant to be used when parked with one part of the vehicle
hi David!
we seem to have a lack of common understanding of what quality lamps or
aimed
properly means; with the exception of High Beams, properly aimed quality
lights will
not dazzle anyone. (in my last post i'm forgetting that quality lamps aren't
what
most of our US cars came with and
ernest breakfield wrote:
daytime use of running lights (what you and many Amerikuns call parking
lights)
helps make you more easily seen in shadows of trees or buildings, on overcast
days,
under bridges and overpasses, etc.. since it's not likely anyone could
complain that
those are
hi david!
note that in the text you quoted i was referring to running(/parking)
lights, not
headlights.
FWIW, CA is one of the states that still has the law against daytime use of
running(/parking) lights in the daytime (though it's both difficult and
rarely enforced),
left over from
ernest breakfield wrote:
in general, you seem to be contradicting yourself WRT where you stand on
use of lights;
you complained headlights were too dazzling but suggest using them instead
of
running(/parking) lights,...
Where did I say that? My complaint was that using fogs *along
David,
first, relax.
David Brodbeck wrote:
ernest breakfield wrote:
in general, you seem to be contradicting yourself WRT where you stand
on use of lights;
you complained headlights were too dazzling but suggest using them
instead of
running(/parking) lights,...
Where
ernest breakfield wrote:
back to the point; since fog lights are additional light sources and
aimed lower than
headlights, fogs shouldn't cause any more dazzle, and use of them does help
increase
conspicuity (especially those of a different color).
Regardless of where they're aimed,
Yes, Brian! My dad tends to do it on a regular basis, and only notices it
upon returning to the car. It's a good thing that the battery doesn't drain
quickly when this happens! I've gotten better at reminding him of it as we
get out of the car, but if not, I can't see it to let him know that
Brian,
I'm surprised you're asking this question as you've been here long enough to
know a rear fog lamp when you see one!!
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
Yes, Brian! My dad tends to do it on a regular basis, and only notices it
upon returning to the car. It's a good thing that the battery doesn't drain
quickly when this happens!
Methinks you need an audible alarm (ding-ding-ding) when the driver's door is
open and one of the parking
Ha. Yeah, Jeff, I've been here a spell now, but I don't know much about the
new MBs, and I'll be the first to admit that there's a mega-ton that I don't
know - period - especially compared to some of the veritable gurus here.
When I don't know, I ask questions.
I thought fog lamps would be
My Taurus does it when the
key is in the ignition or the headlight switch isn't off.
He does this with our Dodge pickup that also has the audible alarm. He
accidentally turns on the cargo light which can't be seen due to the camper
shell (canopy for us in the PNW). He couldn't figure out why
I didn't know about the red rear fog lamps either, and I've been on this
list for 4 years now. I guess I'll never see the LIGHT!
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula
the rear fog light is a European thing - pull out the headlight knob once
for front fog lights, pull again for rear.
On 11/26/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't know about the red rear fog lamps either, and I've been on this
list for 4 years now. I guess I'll never see the
Sunil wrote
the rear fog light is a European thing - pull out the headlight knob once
for front fog lights, pull again for rear.
And its an annoyingly American thing to leave fogs on all the time,
even when there isn't fog for 500 miles. Seems people think hey look,
I have fog lights and am
Where were you in Sedona, Brian?
Bob R
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Ha. Yeah, Jeff, I've been here a spell now
Zoltan Finks wrote:
Recently as I was on vacation at a nice resort in Sedona, I noticed that one
of the batch of new Mercedes Benzes in the parking lot had its left hand
parking light on most of the day, and all night.
I'm assuming that the light control switch is the same as it is on the older
I thought fog lamps would be amber, not red.
Nope, red.
And why would just one side be lit?
So as not to be mistaken for the brake lights in those intermittent
not-quite-so-foggy patches. If it's not foggy, you shouldn't be
using fog lights! (And don't get me started on that. The number
Yes, Brian! My dad tends to do it on a regular basis, and only
notices it
upon returning to the car. It's a good thing that the battery
doesn't drain
quickly when this happens!
Methinks you need an audible alarm (ding-ding-ding) when the driver's
door is open and one of the parking lamps
Methinks you need an audible alarm (ding-ding-ding) when the driver's
door is open and one of the parking lamps is powered. My Taurus does
it when the key is in the ignition or the headlight switch isn't off.
Thus defeating the purpose of the all-night parking light. (A Euro
Also in may places illegal to run if there is no fog.
Tony Wirtel wrote:
Sunil wrote
the rear fog light is a European thing - pull out the headlight knob once
for front fog lights, pull again for rear.
And its an annoyingly American thing to leave fogs on all the time,
even when there
At this time of year, I often drive with my front fogs on, and not to
be kool or annoying. They really help me spot those spooked deer on country
roads right after dusk.
My 124's have the single rear fog (no benefit on clear nights), but I don't
think my 123's do that trick.
Ned Kleinhenz
'95
They [fogs] really help me spot those spooked deer on country
roads right after dusk.
How? If adjusted right they only light up a fan-shaped area in front
of the car, such that if you were going any faster than that 10-15 MPH
there's no way you could avoid anything that was lit by them anyway.
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funny boo boo among MB owners
They [fogs
in Sedona, Brian?
Bob R
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Ha. Yeah, Jeff, I've been here a spell now, but I don't know
Tony Wirtel wrote:
Have no clue that 95% of fogs are almost perfectly useless, projecting
a light pattern that doesn't do anything if going more then say
10-15MPH. On many cars (insert any Dodge or Pontiac I've driven)
decorative only
I used to think the fog light pattern was useless until I
Brian said he was:
fending off tourist information solicitors.
That's what stinks about going up to Sedona. They are everywhere...like rap
artists.
Bob Rentfro
With a 1988 126 model, I find the (front) fog lights assist in seeing
anything when its dark. The US DOT headlights are a poor excuse for
lighting (as so many here have opined in the past).
Like you, I use the fogs to help me see the edge of certain roads and
when it is wet, for the same
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