Re: [MBZ] ML third row seats?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I think there needs to be special mounts or something in the rear 
cargo area for them to latch onto, they aren't plug and play on any 
vehicle.  And yeah pretty useless and take up a lot of room.


--FT

On 3/26/24 10:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Could be. They’re pretty useless unless you’ve got a Thalidomide baby (sorry, 
couldn't resist the tasteless joke) and you would need to make sure you have 
all the mounting hardware.

I think the few of these that got sold ended up like the extra row of seats 
from the family van - piled up in the back of the garage or storage shed.

-D

-D


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Re: [MBZ] ML third row seats?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Could be. They’re pretty useless unless you’ve got a Thalidomide baby (sorry, 
couldn't resist the tasteless joke) and you would need to make sure you have 
all the mounting hardware.

I think the few of these that got sold ended up like the extra row of seats 
from the family van - piled up in the back of the garage or storage shed.

-D

-D

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Re: [MBZ] ML in AZ

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Possibly not. Like it’s later cousin, the W164, the W163 had issues with power 
steering pump reservoirs, so much so that I am almost sure all the dealers 
still stock them. They do for the W164s with the M273, because I just ordered 
one for mine and they had it on the shelf. I’ve done them on M112s in the W163, 
it’s a quick and easy job.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] ML in AZ

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Re: [MBZ] ML vs GL

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Yes. Now GLE and GLS

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> On Feb 7, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Now that I have this 07 ML and can compare it side by side to the 08 GL, the 
> ML really is quite a bit smaller than the GL.  I always thought it was just a 
> shorter GL, but its smaller all the way around in general.  It is more like a 
> E class SUV and the GL is a big S class SUV.
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Re: [MBZ] ML Sport v ML

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And maybe the step bars on the sides. Purely cosmetic. MB did this sort of 
"tarting up" by just adding some different wheels and a few cosmetic changes 
and slapping a badge on it with a corresponding increase in price. At least 
they did with other models, I'm guessing it's much the same in this situation, 
too.

-D

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Subject: [MBZ] ML Sport v ML

What are the differences ‘tween an ML and and ML Sport, aside from the bumpers?

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Re: [MBZ] ML for somebody

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I wonder why it’s $1700? Better reach out. 

AZBob

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> Honestly, this is the Golden Age for used Mercedes bargains.  I don't
> recall there ever being so many solid, dependable Mercedes models available
> for under $3k that still had years of life ahead.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 8:02 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> 2000 Mercedes ML430
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Re: [MBZ] ML for somebody

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Honestly, this is the Golden Age for used Mercedes bargains.  I don't
recall there ever being so many solid, dependable Mercedes models available
for under $3k that still had years of life ahead.

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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Living in FL I found that UV can kill a set of tires in just a few years. 
Michelins were especially susceptible to this, which I experienced and later 
had confirmed by a tire guy who used to be a Michelin field rep. My cars are 
garaged, so it's not an issue, but if you park you car outside here you're 
likely to need a new set within 4-5 years due to the sidewalls cracking.

-D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML tars

Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original
tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says
to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless
I'm driving it, which is not that often or far.
I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them.

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> My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles
> or tread.
> After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure
> [at speed] is pre-ordained.
> It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in
> traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop
> the bleeding that could happen..
> I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details
> > since.
> >
> > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date
> > codes.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters.
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I
> guess
> > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the
> distributor
> > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though ,
> > lots of
> > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H.
> > >>
> > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the
> one
> > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to
> > do
> > >> it.
> > >>
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> > >
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> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Do the tires sit outside or in a garage? My 2013 F150 has the original
tires, about 30K miles, and they look good. The truck owner's manual says
to replace a 7 years regardless of miles/wear. It sits in the garage unless
I'm driving it, which is not that often or far.
I'm thinking one more year and I'll replace them.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:06 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles
> or tread.
> After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure
> [at speed] is pre-ordained.
> It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in
> traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop
> the bleeding that could happen..
> I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details
> > since.
> >
> > I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date
> > codes.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters.
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I
> guess
> > >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the
> distributor
> > >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though ,
> > lots of
> > >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H.
> > >>
> > >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the
> one
> > >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to
> > do
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> --FT
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> > >
> > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >
> > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> > Wernher
> > > Von Braun
> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

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My pickup (‘05 Dodge 2500 SLT 4X4 5.9 Cummins) that I got in trade with my pops 
has Michelin Defenders (265/70/17) on it, make date 4th week of 2016. The tires 
have only about 30K miles on them, 16K of which I’ve put on in the last year. 
They are wearing perfectly. Other that last summer, the tires have been in the 
midwest all their lives. 
Based on date alone (not wear), Michelin says on their website that their tires 
should last 10 years if well maintained. 
knowing that these tires haven’t lived in Arizona all their life I think I’ll 
feel comfortable wearing them out before I would want to place them because of 
date alone.

AZBob. 

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> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles
>> or tread.
> 
> My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015.
> Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter of 
> 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer.
> 
> Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the 
> spring.
> 
> I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which spend 
> 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan.
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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

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On 2021-12-05 10:05, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of 
miles

or tread.


My Saturn allegedly had new tires in 2015.
Mixed date codes 20-40 of 2014, so he probably bought them before winter 
of 2015, but gave me the impression he'd bought them Spring/Summer.


Being 7 years old is one reason they're not going back on the car in the 
spring.


I suspect tires sitting outdoors in Arizona go faster than tires which 
spend 4 months of the year in a dark garage in Michigan.


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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My personal hard line date code replacement is 5 years. Regardless of miles
or tread.
After 5 years of age, the compounds start to fail and catastrophic failure
[at speed] is pre-ordained.
It is not a question of "IF" ... but "WHEN" and if "When" happens in
traffic, at 75 MPH... there are not enough bandaids in the med kit to stop
the bleeding that could happen..
I buy insurance for the car... I buy new tires as insurance for myself.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details
> since.
>
> I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date
> codes.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters.
> >
> >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess
> >> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor
> >> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though ,
> lots of
> >> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H.
> >>
> >> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one
> >> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to
> do
> >> it.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
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> >
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> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> > Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ahh, ok that makes sense. I looked that up once and forgot the details since. 

I looked at some of the other tires in the fleet snd couldn’t find date codes. 

--FT
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> On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters.
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess
>> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor
>> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , lots of
>> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H.
>> 
>> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one
>> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to do
>> it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

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On 2021-12-04 19:09, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I
guess means either 2 or 4 of 2014.


2014, week 24.
Or June 2014

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Re: [MBZ] ML tars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IIRC, that is the 24th week of 2014, not that it matters.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> So the date code on these Lizetti tires on the ML is 2414 which I guess
> means either 2 or 4 of 2014. That tracks with the guy at the distributor
> telling me they discontinued them 7yr ago. Tires look good though , lots of
> tread on them, I thought they were nearly new. H.
>
> I think I’ll get a cheap replacement from El Mercado de Wal for the one
> that seems to be bad then think about a new set when Mr Budget says to do
> it.
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] ML breaks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Probably would do better if the unboxer actually had boobs...
Curt

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> I ordered a set of Bosch break pats from Amazon cheepcheep deals
> (returns) a coupla weeks ago, they arrived and were missing 1 break pat
> and one ware sincer were missing and 1 sincer was broken.  Box was torn
> up.  So I did a return then ordered another cheepcheep set.  The first
> set I think I have another week or so more to return, will need to do
> that soon and get my credit.  So I just got back last night and the
> other set was on the porch, opened it and all 4 pats where there, one
> sincer was stuck in a pat and the other was missing.  This box was torn
> up too.  Both boxes just had labels on them, were not in an envelope so
> who knows what happened in shipping.  I guess now I will send back the
> first set, and do a return on the second, and order a third set, wait on
> sending back the 2nd set, maybe there will be at least one wear sincer
> in the 3rd that I can build a full set from.
>
> Fun times as a bottom feeder... they are fairly cheap though, and there
> is no rush, so this is somewhat entertaining.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ML breaks

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That’s a good idea. I’ll make a vid. 

--FT
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> 
> Start a you-boob channel, Amazon Unboxing Adventures!, you'll get famous
> for mocking them.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 5:15 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I ordered a set of Bosch break pats from Amazon cheepcheep deals
>> (returns) a coupla weeks ago, they arrived and were missing 1 break pat
>> and one ware sincer were missing and 1 sincer was broken.  Box was torn
>> up.  So I did a return then ordered another cheepcheep set.  The first
>> set I think I have another week or so more to return, will need to do
>> that soon and get my credit.  So I just got back last night and the
>> other set was on the porch, opened it and all 4 pats where there, one
>> sincer was stuck in a pat and the other was missing.  This box was torn
>> up too.  Both boxes just had labels on them, were not in an envelope so
>> who knows what happened in shipping.  I guess now I will send back the
>> first set, and do a return on the second, and order a third set, wait on
>> sending back the 2nd set, maybe there will be at least one wear sincer
>> in the 3rd that I can build a full set from.
>> 
>> Fun times as a bottom feeder... they are fairly cheap though, and there
>> is no rush, so this is somewhat entertaining.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML breaks

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Start a you-boob channel, Amazon Unboxing Adventures!, you'll get famous
for mocking them.
-
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 5:15 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I ordered a set of Bosch break pats from Amazon cheepcheep deals
> (returns) a coupla weeks ago, they arrived and were missing 1 break pat
> and one ware sincer were missing and 1 sincer was broken.  Box was torn
> up.  So I did a return then ordered another cheepcheep set.  The first
> set I think I have another week or so more to return, will need to do
> that soon and get my credit.  So I just got back last night and the
> other set was on the porch, opened it and all 4 pats where there, one
> sincer was stuck in a pat and the other was missing.  This box was torn
> up too.  Both boxes just had labels on them, were not in an envelope so
> who knows what happened in shipping.  I guess now I will send back the
> first set, and do a return on the second, and order a third set, wait on
> sending back the 2nd set, maybe there will be at least one wear sincer
> in the 3rd that I can build a full set from.
>
> Fun times as a bottom feeder... they are fairly cheap though, and there
> is no rush, so this is somewhat entertaining.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ML breaks

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I scored a Cardone remanufactured brake booster for my 2003 ML350 off of Amazon 
warehouse for $120 last week. Retail is almost $400. Original box was banged 
up, which was the reason for the markdown, but the booster was perfect.

OE new is nearly $600. I’ll roll the dice.

-D

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ordered a set of Bosch break pats from Amazon cheepcheep deals (returns) a 
> coupla weeks ago, they arrived and were missing 1 break pat and one ware 
> sincer were missing and 1 sincer was broken.  Box was torn up.  So I did a 
> return then ordered another cheepcheep set.  The first set I think I have 
> another week or so more to return, will need to do that soon and get my 
> credit.  So I just got back last night and the other set was on the porch, 
> opened it and all 4 pats where there, one sincer was stuck in a pat and the 
> other was missing.  This box was torn up too.  Both boxes just had labels on 
> them, were not in an envelope so who knows what happened in shipping.  I 
> guess now I will send back the first set, and do a return on the second, and 
> order a third set, wait on sending back the 2nd set, maybe there will be at 
> least one wear sincer in the 3rd that I can build a full set from.
> 
> Fun times as a bottom feeder... they are fairly cheap though, and there is no 
> rush, so this is somewhat entertaining.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML, heal thyself

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I learned about False Hope after my indy tech "cleared" the CEL in my 2014
GLK 250.  It was wonderful for a few days - I thought the problem had been
solved - but then the CEL again illuminated and my hopes were dashed.

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> As far as I know the CEL is not an instantaneous status indicator. It
> requires a certain persistence in a fault detection before it comes
> on. Likewise, once the fault itself is resolved, the CEL doesn't go dark
> (unless manually cleared) but stays on for some time (or some number of
> engine starts).
>
> Allan
>
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > The ML500 was showing a CEL due to something in the fuel system, after
> the low fuel light came on. It was intermittent. I’m guessing it was the
> gas cap but maybe it was something else I don’t know.
> >
> > Anyway, the low fuel light went off but the CEL stayed on. I noticed a
> coupla days ago the CEL resolves itself too. I was going to put the scanner
> on it to clear the code but never did, so that saved me the trouble. The
> nannies got themselves happy again.
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] ML, heal thyself

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As far as I know the CEL is not an instantaneous status indicator. It
requires a certain persistence in a fault detection before it comes
on. Likewise, once the fault itself is resolved, the CEL doesn't go dark
(unless manually cleared) but stays on for some time (or some number of
engine starts).

Allan

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> The ML500 was showing a CEL due to something in the fuel system, after the 
> low fuel light came on. It was intermittent. I’m guessing it was the gas cap 
> but maybe it was something else I don’t know. 
>
> Anyway, the low fuel light went off but the CEL stayed on. I noticed a coupla 
> days ago the CEL resolves itself too. I was going to put the scanner on it to 
> clear the code but never did, so that saved me the trouble. The nannies got 
> themselves happy again. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] ML

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Best that it went to Haiti, Bob, believe me. I wouldn’t have sold it to anyone 
I knew.

-D

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> I didn’t know you were thinking of selling you ML, Dan. Turns out it was 
> fortuitous that we did not do the deal in Lubbock that Saturday, Kaleb, 
> because the boy child has since decided he has no interest in regaining his 
> license (cause the weather hasn’t been crappy for a spell). Knucklehead. 
> Future SIL ended up buying a 3rd generation 4Runner (1997) so I have regained 
> the use of my pickup. Looks like I will be driving out to the nuke plant on 
> Fridays this training cycle so I’ll be driving the truck instead of the W124. 
> I probably ought to sell the W124. Someone needs to use it more than I have 
> been. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> 
>> How much did you end up selling your ML for?  Where did you list it that 
>> you found a buyer in Haiti?  I am probably into this one for about $2k and 
>> it still needs a rear bumper cover.  Only other issue is that BAS ASR light 
>> with the rattling steering wheel.
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Re: [MBZ] ML

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I didn’t know you were thinking of selling you ML, Dan. Turns out it was 
fortuitous that we did not do the deal in Lubbock that Saturday, Kaleb, because 
the boy child has since decided he has no interest in regaining his license 
(cause the weather hasn’t been crappy for a spell). Knucklehead. 
Future SIL ended up buying a 3rd generation 4Runner (1997) so I have regained 
the use of my pickup. Looks like I will be driving out to the nuke plant on 
Fridays this training cycle so I’ll be driving the truck instead of the W124. I 
probably ought to sell the W124. Someone needs to use it more than I have been. 

AZBob

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> How much did you end up selling your ML for?  Where did you list it that you 
> found a buyer in Haiti?  I am probably into this one for about $2k and it 
> still needs a rear bumper cover.  Only other issue is that BAS ASR light with 
> the rattling steering wheel.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 320 $500 - Was told that it ran but cannot get to start

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How hard could it be to get running. Offer $300 and fool around with it a bit, 
drive it as a winter beater or flip it or part it out 

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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Seat cushion replacements are cheap.  The tire tread indicates little use.
> Floyd needs this.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:43 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2021-01-12 07:59, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’d offer $300 and take it, either get it running or parts. Doesn’t
>>> look half bad
>> 
>> I liked the interior color until I saw the right front seat.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 320 $500 - Was told that it ran but cannot get to start

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Seat cushion replacements are cheap.  The tire tread indicates little use.
Floyd needs this.

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> On 2021-01-12 07:59, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’d offer $300 and take it, either get it running or parts. Doesn’t
> > look half bad
>
> I liked the interior color until I saw the right front seat.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 320 $500 - Was told that it ran but cannot get to start

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On 2021-01-12 07:59, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

I’d offer $300 and take it, either get it running or parts. Doesn’t
look half bad


I liked the interior color until I saw the right front seat.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 320 $500 - Was told that it ran but cannot get to start

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I’d offer $300 and take it, either get it running or parts. Doesn’t look half 
bad

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> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pts/d/brownsburg-1998-mercedes-ml320/7260654917.html
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

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14.89/gallon since I bought it. It’s gotten as high as 19/gallon but the 
majority of the driving is surface streets.

-D

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine's a 350. Should be called a 370.
> What mpg does a 500 get, 14-16 or 16-18?
> Mitch.
> 
> On Tue, June 2, 2020 6:35 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> ML320 or ML500? Mine's an ML500.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Mine's a 350. Should be called a 370.
What mpg does a 500 get, 14-16 or 16-18?
Mitch.

On Tue, June 2, 2020 6:35 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> ML320 or ML500? Mine's an ML500.
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

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ML320 or ML500? Mine’s an ML500.

-D

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, June 1, 2020 8:35 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Didn't seem to affect fuel economy,
>> either. It still sucked.
> 
> I get 18-20mpg in local rural driving, my best ever fill was driving to
> Grand Rapids last year to pick up a clothes washer, 20.6mpg.
> Driving to Cleveland and back with the tow dolly to pick up a car the week
> after I bought the ML, I got about 19.5 with the cruise set at 65mph.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

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On Mon, June 1, 2020 8:35 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Didn't seem to affect fuel economy,
> either. It still sucked.

I get 18-20mpg in local rural driving, my best ever fill was driving to
Grand Rapids last year to pick up a clothes washer, 20.6mpg.
Driving to Cleveland and back with the tow dolly to pick up a car the week
after I bought the ML, I got about 19.5 with the cruise set at 65mph.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

W163 is rated at 5000lb by MBUSA, I don't know what the international
rating is.
Curt's hitch is rated conservatively at 3500lb.
Draw-tite's hitch is rated at 5000lb.
There doesn't seem to be any difference in the hitches, the Draw-tite
comes with a couple of angle brackets which you're supposed to bolt to the
rear crossmember and the longitudinal frame rails of the truck.
AFAIK the 5000lb factory tow package doesn't have those frame
reinforcements, but I could be wrong about that.

I bought a Curt, and don't worry about hauling a 3000lb car on a 400lb
dolly with no brakes.

An 18' 7000lb trailer probably weighs 1800-2000lb.
Add a 4000lb car and you're getting up there in weight.
A 4800lb ML is kinda short wheelbase for a tow vehicle. I'd get a bit
worried when the trailer starts to outweigh it.

Any brake controller worth installing will have an inertia sensor and
proportion the trailer brake force based on how hard the driver is
braking.

Mitch.

On Mon, June 1, 2020 8:20 pm, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> So basically you can put on a hitch (there are 3000 and
> 5000lb versions) and wire a light connector into the tail lights and
> you're good with Bob as your uncle.
>



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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When I needed to add trailer wiring to my volvo, I got a kit from
eTrailer.com. Very easy, pre-wired harness and powered converter that
plugs right into the stock taillight harness connections. No cutting or
splicing wire. I'll never do it any other way again.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> There’s a really good thread on the Banzworld M163/4 forum about
> wiring in trailer lighting on the ML using a cheap controller and
> picking up the necessary connections i the left rear quarter.
>
> I did it on my ML500, took about 15 minutes to do and it works great.
>
> I have a 2” receiver on the ML that was on it when I got it. Haven’t towed 
> anything substantial yet, only a U-Haul trailer, but it didn’t seem to have 
> any issues with it. Didn’t seem to affect fuel economy, either. It still 
> sucked.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s a really good thread on the Banzworld M163/4 forum about wiring in 
trailer lighting on the ML using a cheap controller and picking up the 
necessary connections i the left rear quarter.

I did it on my ML500, took about 15 minutes to do and it works great.

I have a 2” receiver on the ML that was on it when I got it. Haven’t towed 
anything substantial yet, only a U-Haul trailer, but it didn’t seem to have any 
issues with it. Didn’t seem to affect fuel economy, either. It still sucked.

-D

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are guys on the ML FB group who tow all kinds of stuff with 163s 
> including trailer/car rigs. The 163 doesn’t have the nannies that get unhappy 
> with towing, 164s want a $2000 nanny setup to make the other nannies happy. 
> So basically you can put on a hitch (there are 3000 and 5000lb versions) and 
> wire a light connector into the tail lights and you’re good with Bob as your 
> uncle. 
> 
> I put a hitch on the fmr wife’s 164 ML for a bike rack, that was easy enough, 
> but to actually tow was a big deal with the aforementioned cost. 
> 
> This 99 ML320 has a hitch on it and a connector wired up, when I get the 
> tranny sorted it could be a tow car I guess.  Not sure yet what version hitch 
> it has, I should look.  The 5k version has these extra frame braces at the 
> ends. I think all the holes are already drilled in the frame.  The 05 ML500 
> will get one when I get the title sorted out. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do any of you guys who have ML's do any towing with it?  What can they tow? 
>>  Could one pull a 18' car trailer with, say, and 210 or something similar on 
>> it?  What do you have to do to get trailer wiring/trailer brake controller 
>> hooked up to one of these?  Just curious.
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing brake controller

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Oh and I put a brake controller on my truck, it is some kind of accelerometer 
deal I guess, it was kind of a pain to wire up, wires to the battery then to 
the controller and back to the big plug. I guess the same thing would work on 
the ML, it’s nothing special. My suburban has the trailer package with a 
connector to plug into the controller, you can move the controller between 
vehicles and just plug it in. 

--FT
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> On Jun 1, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you guys who have ML's do any towing with it?  What can they tow?  
> Could one pull a 18' car trailer with, say, and 210 or something similar on 
> it?  What do you have to do to get trailer wiring/trailer brake controller 
> hooked up to one of these?  Just curious.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Towing

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There are guys on the ML FB group who tow all kinds of stuff with 163s 
including trailer/car rigs. The 163 doesn’t have the nannies that get unhappy 
with towing, 164s want a $2000 nanny setup to make the other nannies happy. So 
basically you can put on a hitch (there are 3000 and 5000lb versions) and wire 
a light connector into the tail lights and you’re good with Bob as your uncle. 

I put a hitch on the fmr wife’s 164 ML for a bike rack, that was easy enough, 
but to actually tow was a big deal with the aforementioned cost. 

This 99 ML320 has a hitch on it and a connector wired up, when I get the tranny 
sorted it could be a tow car I guess.  Not sure yet what version hitch it has, 
I should look.  The 5k version has these extra frame braces at the ends. I 
think all the holes are already drilled in the frame.  The 05 ML500 will get 
one when I get the title sorted out. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do any of you guys who have ML's do any towing with it?  What can they tow?  
> Could one pull a 18' car trailer with, say, and 210 or something similar on 
> it?  What do you have to do to get trailer wiring/trailer brake controller 
> hooked up to one of these?  Just curious.
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Re: [MBZ] ML meth dealer

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"Blown head gasket" - and that's the GOOD news.

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/234316324523926
>
> $1,200
> Vehicles 
> Listed 21 hours ago in Eastover, SC
> 
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>
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>   Seller's description…
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> Blown head gasket good car just need minor touch ups and fixes; I just
> don’t have the time for it INBOX ME ASAP will work with you
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Dan -
Sounds like I need to find a SDS somewhere around here.  Are they dealer 
only?
I am having shifter problem than is a little different m than the one 
described. My 06 E350 will some days be fine (for a while) then stop 
shifting out of 1st or 2nd  (which ever one it start in).  The 
Comfort/Sport indicator also goes blank.
When it does this it cannot be shifted into R or P.  To turn the car off 
we turn the key to off, then put it in P.  Then when we re-start, it 
will work for a while.


    I assume the SDS is a little more than $29.95?

Thanks,
LarryT
06 E350




On 6/26/2019 6:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
The SDS would not only show you the codes, you could see the WIS as it 
relates to the parts that are faulting along with "actual values” to see 
exactly what and when the faults are occurring. You can also run 
diagnostics on some systems, such as turning a particular component on 
and off manually to see what’s happening.

I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like yours is 
toast based on what you describe.

-D



On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

So I got the connector back in and cleaned that all up.  Pulled the TCM and 
cleaned the contacts, there might have been a bit of tranny oil in one of the 
connectors but I couldn't be sure. Anyway got it all buttoned up and took it 
out for a spin.  Was running a bit rough but I had disconnected the battery so 
maybe that was the issue.

Transmission seemed stuck in 2nd or maybe 3rd, would not shift, would not 
accelerate very well.  Engine was running fine though. I pulled the OBD codes 
again and got the same ones plus a couple showing cylinder misfires, not sure 
what that was about.

P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical Circuit Malfunction

P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical Circuit Malfunction

P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical Circuit Malfunction

P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical Circuit Malfunction

I'm guessing this might now be related to the conductor plate or maybe the 
solenoids are bad though I don't think they would all gakk at once.  I guess 
I'll order a new conductor plate, or at least pull the one that is in there and 
see if anything looks wonky.  Or might it be the TCM is fried?  Would the Fancy 
Computer be able to see more detail about what is going on?  Something 
electrical clearly, and same codes as before I fooled with the connector.


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

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Except Dimitri will weld it.

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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:48 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Lol.  Or loan it to Dimitri for the weekend...
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:44 PM Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
>> Nah that will bang out & buff out.
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
>>> > the body is pranged.
>>> >
>>> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

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Lol.  Or loan it to Dimitri for the weekend...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:44 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Nah that will bang out & buff out.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:41 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>
>> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
>> > the body is pranged.
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Nah that will bang out & buff out.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
> > the body is pranged.
> >
> > --FT
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

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I love my 1983 W123 wagon more every day...

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> Yes and cheaper to assemble.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> >
> > Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse
> both
> > solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> > (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the
> Cessna
> > 
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > > screws or bolts.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a riveting story!
> > > >
> > > > --FT
> > > >
> > > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > > have
> > > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise
> it,
> > > so I
> > > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and
> in
> > > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> > to
> > > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> > the
> > > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that.
> Another
> > > 2-3
> > > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of
> the
> > > old
> > > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> > some
> > > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> > even
> > > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > > >
> > > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> > in
> > > > under 30 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

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I wouldn't count on it.  This could me a multi-thou repair.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless
> the body is pranged.
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/23/20 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes and cheaper to assemble.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:09 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
>
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> > screws or bolts.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a riveting story!
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> > have
> > > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> > so I
> > > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone
> to
> > > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have
> the
> > > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> > 2-3
> > > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> > old
> > > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with
> some
> > > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it
> even
> > > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > > >
> > > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this
> in
> > > under 30 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > > >
> > > > -D
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Andrew, it seems that Mercedes went to rivets on window regulators in the late 
90s. I know that W220 and W211 chassis cars use rivets as well. Probably 
cheaper to use and easier in production. The regulators aren’t nearly as 
substantial as in previous models, either. At least not in the W220s.

Don, I just use a manual riveter from HF like this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/heavy-duty-17-1-2-half-inch-hand-riveter-with-collection-bottle-66422.html
 


My small riveter wouldn’t do rivets this size, and I don’t rivet enough to 
bother with the hassle of a pneumatic riveter. If this one had a negative it’s 
that you have to be able to get straight on at the rivet, so if it’s in a tight 
space you might have problems.

-D



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.
> 
> Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
> solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
> (strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
>> screws or bolts.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a riveting story!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
>> have
>>> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
>> so I
>>> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
>>> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
>>> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
>>> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
 
 Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
>> 2-3
>>> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
>> old
>>> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
>>> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
>>> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
 
 New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
>>> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
>>> under 30 minutes.
 
 Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
 
 -D
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It is more convenient to assemble with rivets, but not for maintenance.

Dan, what type of rivets are you needing a monster rivet gun for? Iuse both
solid aluminum rivets with a little pneumatic gun, and cherrymax rivets
(strong pop-type) with an airpowered gun that is rather large on the Cessna


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
> screws or bolts.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a riveting story!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I
> have
> > tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it,
> so I
> > popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> > stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> > stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> > part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> > >
> > > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another
> 2-3
> > to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the
> old
> > regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> > scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> > easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> > >
> > > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> > homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> > under 30 minutes.
> > >
> > > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> > >
> > > -D
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Re: [MBZ] ML 250 Bluetec -needs hatch

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That should be a fairly easy item to find somewhere.  Easy fix unless 
the body is pranged.


--FT

On 1/23/20 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb car?
https://www.copart.com/lot/60873529

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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Although I wonder why they didn't use more convenient fasteners, e.g.
screws or bolts.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a riveting story!
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have
> tired of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I
> popped for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in
> stock, a real “tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to
> stocking parts for a chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the
> part in stock I know they must commonly fail.
> >
> > Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3
> to drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old
> regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some
> scrap metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even
> easier to remove the carcass of the old regulator.
> >
> > New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old
> homestead and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in
> under 30 minutes.
> >
> > Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] ML Window Regulator Replacement

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is a riveting story!

--FT

On 1/23/20 3:12 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The beater ML500 driver’s window regulator puked a few weeks ago. I have tired 
of wrestling the window glass when I need to lower and raise it, so I popped 
for a new regulator from the stealership, which was cheap and in stock, a real 
“tell” that they sell a lot of these. They’re not prone to stocking parts for a 
chassis that’s 10+ years old, so when they have the part in stock I know they 
must commonly fail.

Anyway, five minutes to remove the inner door panel if that. Another 2-3 to 
drill out the rivets. Pop the motor connector and the remains of the old 
regulator come out - someone in the past attempted to repair it with some scrap 
metal and JB Weld, amazing that it held up. The break made it even easier to 
remove the carcass of the old regulator.

New regulator in, rivets in place, now I have to go over to the old homestead 
and get my monster rivet gun. Dang! I was hoping to do this in under 30 minutes.

Back in a bit after I pop over to the old place and get my stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 320

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I paid $1300 for a 2003 ML500 with about 195k on the clock back in May from FB 
marketplace locally. Far from perfect, but for that price my expectations were 
low. It’s a great truck, I’m very satisfied with it.

-D


> On Aug 30, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There’s a 2003 ML500 with 191Kmi on it that came up on Facebook Marketplace 
> yesterday for $1700. Ad said that it runs and drives great!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 98-99
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are the years to avoid?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 320

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

There’s a 2003 ML500 with 191Kmi on it that came up on Facebook Marketplace 
yesterday for $1700. Ad said that it runs and drives great!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Aug 30, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 98-99
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> What are the years to avoid?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 320

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98-99

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Correct 

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> On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:46 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I need to take it to someone with the Fancy Computer, right?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will remain in limp mode until the codes are cleared even if the problem 
>> is fixed. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On June 26, 2019 at 6:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 
 I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like 
 yours is toast based on what you describe.
>>> 
>>> Is toast, or was toast?
>>> I think he needs to clear the codes, get it out of 2nd gear, and see what 
>>> codes if any come back.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

So I need to take it to someone with the Fancy Computer, right?

--FT
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> On Jun 26, 2019, at 10:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I will remain in limp mode until the codes are cleared even if the problem is 
> fixed. 
> 
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On June 26, 2019 at 6:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like 
>>> yours is toast based on what you describe.
>> 
>> Is toast, or was toast?
>> I think he needs to clear the codes, get it out of 2nd gear, and see what 
>> codes if any come back.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

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I will remain in limp mode until the codes are cleared even if the problem is 
fixed. 

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> 
>> On June 26, 2019 at 6:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like yours 
>> is toast based on what you describe.
> 
> Is toast, or was toast?
> I think he needs to clear the codes, get it out of 2nd gear, and see what 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

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> On June 26, 2019 at 6:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like yours 
> is toast based on what you describe.

Is toast, or was toast?
I think he needs to clear the codes, get it out of 2nd gear, and see what codes 
if any come back.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So all this is suggesting the conductor plate is not conducting, or the 
TCM is not C-ing.  I'll pull it again as Kaleb suggests and see if it 
has any oil in it.  If not then opening up the tranny and on to the 
conductor plate and solenoids.


At least this thing is fairly roomy and not bad to work on so far.

--FT

On 6/26/19 6:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I'm guessing this might now be related to the conductor plate or maybe the 
solenoids are bad though I don't think they would all gakk at once.

No, they wouldn't.  They're all clipped into the conductor plate, though.  
Along with the two speed sensors,
which are molded into the conductor plate.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I'm guessing this might now be related to the conductor plate or maybe the 
> solenoids are bad though I don't think they would all gakk at once.

No, they wouldn't.  They're all clipped into the conductor plate, though.  
Along with the two speed sensors,
which are molded into the conductor plate.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Pull the tcm back out and using a flathead screw driver you need to pry the 
circuit board out of the case and see if it’s full of oil. If so clean it out. 
If you replace the conductor plate test the solenoids while you are doing it. 
Google  how to test them, it’s easy. You measure resistance then apply power 
and see if they click. 

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> On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I got the connector back in and cleaned that all up.  Pulled the TCM and 
> cleaned the contacts, there might have been a bit of tranny oil in one of the 
> connectors but I couldn't be sure. Anyway got it all buttoned up and took it 
> out for a spin.  Was running a bit rough but I had disconnected the battery 
> so maybe that was the issue.
> 
> Transmission seemed stuck in 2nd or maybe 3rd, would not shift, would not 
> accelerate very well.  Engine was running fine though. I pulled the OBD codes 
> again and got the same ones plus a couple showing cylinder misfires, not sure 
> what that was about.
> 
> P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> I'm guessing this might now be related to the conductor plate or maybe the 
> solenoids are bad though I don't think they would all gakk at once.  I guess 
> I'll order a new conductor plate, or at least pull the one that is in there 
> and see if anything looks wonky.  Or might it be the TCM is fried?  Would the 
> Fancy Computer be able to see more detail about what is going on?  Something 
> electrical clearly, and same codes as before I fooled with the connector.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 results

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The SDS would not only show you the codes, you could see the WIS as it relates 
to the parts that are faulting along with "actual values” to see exactly what 
and when the faults are occurring. You can also run diagnostics on some 
systems, such as turning a particular component on and off manually to see 
what’s happening.

I’ve never had to do a conductor plate myself, but it sure sounds like yours is 
toast based on what you describe.

-D


> On Jun 26, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I got the connector back in and cleaned that all up.  Pulled the TCM and 
> cleaned the contacts, there might have been a bit of tranny oil in one of the 
> connectors but I couldn't be sure. Anyway got it all buttoned up and took it 
> out for a spin.  Was running a bit rough but I had disconnected the battery 
> so maybe that was the issue.
> 
> Transmission seemed stuck in 2nd or maybe 3rd, would not shift, would not 
> accelerate very well.  Engine was running fine though. I pulled the OBD codes 
> again and got the same ones plus a couple showing cylinder misfires, not sure 
> what that was about.
> 
> P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
> I'm guessing this might now be related to the conductor plate or maybe the 
> solenoids are bad though I don't think they would all gakk at once.  I guess 
> I'll order a new conductor plate, or at least pull the one that is in there 
> and see if anything looks wonky.  Or might it be the TCM is fried?  Would the 
> Fancy Computer be able to see more detail about what is going on?  Something 
> electrical clearly, and same codes as before I fooled with the connector.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yabbut it is a several $100 wrench, which is why I want to avoid having 
to get one if I can, though I probably should at some point.


--FT

On 6/26/19 11:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
The "fancy computer" is just another wrench. In fact its a very 
important wrench because it means you don't need to shotgun parts.
VW only needs a cable, usually referred to as VCDS, the one I bought 
for my '98 Jetta paid for itself several times over. My '15 Jetta has 
CANBUS and wants a different cable which I probably should have bought 
in the first place (its backward compatible) but I "saved" a little 
money by buying the older type...


-Curt

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 9:26:34 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes  wrote:



It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending
element of the tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Correct.
>
> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover 
systems like ACC or transmission.

>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>>
>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  
I cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy 
computer can clear?

>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>>>
>>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
>>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if 
it shifts.

>>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
>>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

>>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The "fancy computer" is just another wrench. In fact its a very important 
wrench because it means you don't need to shotgun parts.VW only needs a cable, 
usually referred to as VCDS, the one I bought for my '98 Jetta paid for itself 
several times over. My '15 Jetta has CANBUS and wants a different cable which I 
probably should have bought in the first place (its backward compatible) but I 
"saved" a little money by buying the older type...
-Curt

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 9:26:34 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I 
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code 
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending 
element of the tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if 
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Correct.
>
> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems 
> like ACC or transmission.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I 
>> cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer 
>> can clear?
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
>>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
>>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
>>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
>>> anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had an email with a 20% code but it expired on 6/23 so I might just 
wait for another email and see if I can save $12.  I'll get the 
connector connected and everything cleaned and see if it drives OK then 
deal with the fluid later.


--FT

On 6/26/19 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

The codes didn't work on oil and sale stuff.
Now I think they don't work on ATF either, but give it a try and see what 
happens.

Any halfway decent shop should have one of these, which I think can clear 722.6 
faults.
I cleared all sorts of old HVAC and body codes from the ML with one, and it 
even displays M112 spark voltage like an oscilloscope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283524650847

When I wanted to clear the codes in my W140, the local dealer wanted $122 to do a 
computer workup. "Just plug it in and clear everything" was not in their 
vocabulary.
So to save money, I spent $600-800 or something on a Dell 630 and a counterfeit 
wifi SDS, which has been sort of a pain in the ass, should have saved some 
money and bought the older SDS.

Mitch.


On June 26, 2019 at 9:40 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

, looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy
and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The codes didn't work on oil and sale stuff. 
Now I think they don't work on ATF either, but give it a try and see what 
happens. 

Any halfway decent shop should have one of these, which I think can clear 722.6 
faults. 
I cleared all sorts of old HVAC and body codes from the ML with one, and it 
even displays M112 spark voltage like an oscilloscope. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283524650847

When I wanted to clear the codes in my W140, the local dealer wanted $122 to do 
a computer workup. "Just plug it in and clear everything" was not in their 
vocabulary. 
So to save money, I spent $600-800 or something on a Dell 630 and a counterfeit 
wifi SDS, which has been sort of a pain in the ass, should have saved some 
money and bought the older SDS. 

Mitch.  

> On June 26, 2019 at 9:40 AM Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> , looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy 
> and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Excellent, that is what I want to know!

I'm gonna go buy summadis stuff 
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-maxlife-multi-vehicle-automatic-transmission-fluid-1-gallon-773775/8150020-P 
, looks like these trannies want some Special Sauce "236.14" to be happy 
and this works.  I'll have to dig up some of those 20% codes.


--FT

On 6/26/19 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

You’re overthinking this...

The “codes” or errors are snapshots of faults that have occurred in the past or 
are currently present. The system will continue to operate properly in most 
cases, even with a fault code present.

Some faults are “soft” in that if they only happen a few times and don’t 
reoccur they go away. This would be like the CEL you get if your gas cap isn’t 
on tightly, for example.

Faults that meet or exceed a frequency thats not deemed acceptable are “hard” 
faults that don’t go away on their own and need to be cleared by the SDS. And 
example of this might be powering up the car while the airbag is disconnected, 
which results in a hard fault in the SRS system. It may mean that device or 
system is no longer functional.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I guess 
there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code (from the 
fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending element of the 
tranny troubles.

So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if the leaky 
connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?

Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT


On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

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You’re overthinking this...

The “codes” or errors are snapshots of faults that have occurred in the past or 
are currently present. The system will continue to operate properly in most 
cases, even with a fault code present.

Some faults are “soft” in that if they only happen a few times and don’t 
reoccur they go away. This would be like the CEL you get if your gas cap isn’t 
on tightly, for example.

Faults that meet or exceed a frequency thats not deemed acceptable are “hard” 
faults that don’t go away on their own and need to be cleared by the SDS. And 
example of this might be powering up the car while the airbag is disconnected, 
which results in a hard fault in the SRS system. It may mean that device or 
system is no longer functional.

-D

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I guess 
> there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code (from the 
> fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending element of the 
> tranny troubles.
> 
> So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if the 
> leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?
> 
> Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Correct.
>> 
>> OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems 
>> like ACC or transmission.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I 
>>> cleared the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer 
>>> can clear?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
 replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
 if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
 If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do 
 anything, see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.
 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It did show that 3 shift solenoids had errors and I cleared those but I 
guess there are more deeper in there.  The PO told me it had a pump code 
(from the fancy computer) which is why he thought that was the offending 
element of the tranny troubles.


So if I don't clear the codes the tranny will still act wonky even if 
the leaky connector is the issue (assuming I get everything cleaned up)?


Maybe I need to think about getting a fancy computer...

--FT

On 6/26/19 8:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D


On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date.
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts.
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter.
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

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That is correct 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
> the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
>> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Correct.

OBDII are common codes, like for emissions stuff, and do not cover systems like 
ACC or transmission.

-D

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
> the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
>> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
>> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
>> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
>> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I was reading that I need the fancy computer to clear trans codes?  I cleared 
the OBD codes but I guess there are others only the fancy computer can clear?

--FT
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> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
> replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
> if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
> If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
> see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I vote for fix it first, then bring the maintenance up to date. 
replace the connector, clear the transmission memory, and see if it shifts. 
if yes, go in and change the fluid and filter. 
If no, think about changing the conductor plate, but before you do anything, 
see if there's ATF in the transmission computer. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The conductor plate has absolutely nothing to do with keeping oil in.
That's all part of the connector assembly, and its seals.

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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That will be a great deal, if you can solve this with a new conductor plate
or connector and a fluid / filter change.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 8:54 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I looked at another coupla vids of replacing the conductor plate, it
> seems like the electrical connector thingie is what seals it up, one
> o-ring into the conductor plate electrical socket and the other seals
> against the transmission body and the fluid is contained between the 2
> o-rings.
>
> I'm gonna drop the pan and just go ahead and replace the fluid and
> filter, at least that will be done.
>
> The car is surprisingly clean underneath, I guess maybe he detailed it
> before he tried to sell it.  :Looks like a bit of PS fluid dripping but
> nothing too bad, there are some new tranny cooler hoses in there, the
> vehicle looks pretty well maintained (aside from this issue).
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/25/19 8:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > I pulled off the electrical connector (easy on the ML, fair amount of
> > room to work in there) and there was a lot of fluid in there.  I
> > sopped up what I could up in the transmission hole where the
> > connectors are, coming off the conductor plate it looks like. I
> > sprayed contact cleaner in there too but it seems to keep leaking out
> > fluid and it is not particularly clean either.  I'm wondering if this
> > guy I bought it from actually changed the conductor plate like he
> > said.  I'm not quite sure why it would keep leaking. Looking at pics
> > of the conductor plate I don't see how it seals up against the
> > transmission body where it goes out the hole, there don't appear to be
> > any orings in there.
> >
> > Any thoughts on why it is leaking out the transmission hole?  Are the
> > o-rings in the connector (I have a new one but the old one looked OK)
> > what keeps things from leaking?
> >
> > I don't think it wicked up the wires but I will pull the TCU and look
> > at it too after I sort this aspect out.
> >
> > The fluid looked dirty and nasty, I'm wondering if I should just drop
> > the pan and drain out the fluid and pulled the valve body and take a
> > look at the conductor plate and see exactly what is going on?  I see
> > new ones plus filter, gasket and connector for $80 on Amazon, some
> > generic part I am thinking but since there are so many of these things
> > out there I guess it would be OK.  Although I do have a filter and
> > connector already, just the conductor plate is only $7 less.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML 722.6 connector leaking

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I looked at another coupla vids of replacing the conductor plate, it 
seems like the electrical connector thingie is what seals it up, one 
o-ring into the conductor plate electrical socket and the other seals 
against the transmission body and the fluid is contained between the 2 
o-rings.


I'm gonna drop the pan and just go ahead and replace the fluid and 
filter, at least that will be done.


The car is surprisingly clean underneath, I guess maybe he detailed it 
before he tried to sell it.  :Looks like a bit of PS fluid dripping but 
nothing too bad, there are some new tranny cooler hoses in there, the 
vehicle looks pretty well maintained (aside from this issue).


--FT

On 6/25/19 8:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I pulled off the electrical connector (easy on the ML, fair amount of 
room to work in there) and there was a lot of fluid in there.  I 
sopped up what I could up in the transmission hole where the 
connectors are, coming off the conductor plate it looks like. I 
sprayed contact cleaner in there too but it seems to keep leaking out 
fluid and it is not particularly clean either.  I'm wondering if this 
guy I bought it from actually changed the conductor plate like he 
said.  I'm not quite sure why it would keep leaking. Looking at pics 
of the conductor plate I don't see how it seals up against the 
transmission body where it goes out the hole, there don't appear to be 
any orings in there.


Any thoughts on why it is leaking out the transmission hole?  Are the 
o-rings in the connector (I have a new one but the old one looked OK) 
what keeps things from leaking?


I don't think it wicked up the wires but I will pull the TCU and look 
at it too after I sort this aspect out.


The fluid looked dirty and nasty, I'm wondering if I should just drop 
the pan and drain out the fluid and pulled the valve body and take a 
look at the conductor plate and see exactly what is going on?  I see 
new ones plus filter, gasket and connector for $80 on Amazon, some 
generic part I am thinking but since there are so many of these things 
out there I guess it would be OK.  Although I do have a filter and 
connector already, just the conductor plate is only $7 less.




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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I seem to remember somebody buying a car with a new conductor plate that still 
had issues. 
Turns out they somehow managed to break the conductor plate where the connector 
attaches to it so that the terminals were no longer attached to the plate.

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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

club tech event at a local dealership had our cars on their racks and the  
techs doing a once over of the car.  

Basically a safety check.  

For free.  

It got our data into their marketing machine.

The funnest part for me was to be able to assist the techs who had never seen 
w115 or the R107, therefore having no idea what they were looking at or for.  
Pretty much stranded when faced with analog technology.  They did much better 
with the OBD compliant cars.

clay 


> On Jun 22, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm watching a vid 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4=QvwxeCy8xRQ of the connector 
> changing procedure so that looks easy enough with the proper attention.  Will 
> see what that does then chase further if need be.
> 
> tnx!
> 
> -_FT

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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Thanks, I see about a million vids on these same issues, looks like the 
722.6 is so common and the issues are so common, so that is good.  Best 
news is that these trannies seem pretty easy to deal with so that is 
good.  I'm hoping I don't have to open it up again, will check the 
connector and TCM then, which seems relatively easy to get at too.


--FT

On 6/22/19 6:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

0161 is a "if that sensor doesn't heat up I'll have difficulty monitoring the 
performance of the catalyst" code. In other words, safely ignored unless you have to 
pass an emissions inspection.

All those transmission electrical circuit codes are not governor pump related, 
they sound like
"your connector is full of oil, and by now your TCM might be full of oil too", or maybe 
"your conductor plate is screwed up or not installed right".

If you swap the connector, raise the front as much as possible to minimize 
fluid loss while you have a 30mm hole in the transmission with no connector in 
it.

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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Thanks!

--FT

On 6/22/19 7:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

P410 is your EGR or a clogged breather tube, a very common issue on these 
engines. You’ll find plenty of YT videos on clogged breather tubes, I’m sure.

-D



On Jun 22, 2019, at 6:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Plugged in my OBD reader on the ML this afternoon and got these codes.  All but 
that last two are transmission related, which is what the guy told me when I 
got it (he said the oil pump was bad and after it warmed up would not go into 
gear or stay in gear, per a tech who plugged in the magic Benz computer).  He 
also said he had replaced the conductor plate.  I bought a new electrical 
connector but did not have time to get up under there and swap the new one in, 
which I should do I guess before chasing anything else.  In any case, these 
things suggest electrical connections, the easiest to deal with will be the 
connector, then if that doesn't work then open up the tranny again and see if 
things are actually connecting in there to the solenoids.

It was running a bit rough at first at idle and died when I put it in gear, but 
after a minute it shifted into gear OK to where I could move it around.  The 
rough idle might be that Air Injection thing, I'll have to see what that is.  
Some Russian guy on utube says to check the fuse and relay first.  That might 
be it as this is a new fault from what I found before.  Also the O2 sensor, 
could be loose connector or something, or maybe there is a fuse for that too.

Middle of big tstorm right now (must be because I washed cars) so will have to 
wait until tomorrow...

   P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical Circuit Malfunction

   P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical Circuit Malfunction

   P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical Circuit Malfunction

   P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical Circuit Malfunction

   P0161 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

   P0410 Secondary Air Injection System Malfunction



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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

P410 is your EGR or a clogged breather tube, a very common issue on these 
engines. You’ll find plenty of YT videos on clogged breather tubes, I’m sure.

-D


> On Jun 22, 2019, at 6:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Plugged in my OBD reader on the ML this afternoon and got these codes.  All 
> but that last two are transmission related, which is what the guy told me 
> when I got it (he said the oil pump was bad and after it warmed up would not 
> go into gear or stay in gear, per a tech who plugged in the magic Benz 
> computer).  He also said he had replaced the conductor plate.  I bought a new 
> electrical connector but did not have time to get up under there and swap the 
> new one in, which I should do I guess before chasing anything else.  In any 
> case, these things suggest electrical connections, the easiest to deal with 
> will be the connector, then if that doesn't work then open up the tranny 
> again and see if things are actually connecting in there to the solenoids.
> 
> It was running a bit rough at first at idle and died when I put it in gear, 
> but after a minute it shifted into gear OK to where I could move it around.  
> The rough idle might be that Air Injection thing, I'll have to see what that 
> is.  Some Russian guy on utube says to check the fuse and relay first.  That 
> might be it as this is a new fault from what I found before.  Also the O2 
> sensor, could be loose connector or something, or maybe there is a fuse for 
> that too.
> 
> Middle of big tstorm right now (must be because I washed cars) so will have 
> to wait until tomorrow...
> 
>   P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
>   P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
>   P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
>   P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical Circuit Malfunction
> 
>   P0161 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 2 Sensor 2)
> 
>   P0410 Secondary Air Injection System Malfunction
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm watching a vid 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4=QvwxeCy8xRQ of the 
connector changing procedure so that looks easy enough with the proper 
attention.  Will see what that does then chase further if need be.


tnx!

-_FT

On 6/22/19 6:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

0161 is a "if that sensor doesn't heat up I'll have difficulty monitoring the 
performance of the catalyst" code. In other words, safely ignored unless you have to 
pass an emissions inspection.

All those transmission electrical circuit codes are not governor pump related, 
they sound like
"your connector is full of oil, and by now your TCM might be full of oil too", or maybe 
"your conductor plate is screwed up or not installed right".

If you swap the connector, raise the front as much as possible to minimize 
fluid loss while you have a 30mm hole in the transmission with no connector in 
it.

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Re: [MBZ] ML codes/diagnosis

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

0161 is a "if that sensor doesn't heat up I'll have difficulty monitoring the 
performance of the catalyst" code. In other words, safely ignored unless you 
have to pass an emissions inspection. 

All those transmission electrical circuit codes are not governor pump related, 
they sound like
"your connector is full of oil, and by now your TCM might be full of oil too", 
or maybe "your conductor plate is screwed up or not installed right".

If you swap the connector, raise the front as much as possible to minimize 
fluid loss while you have a 30mm hole in the transmission with no connector in 
it.

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Re: [MBZ] ML Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be useful in Florida.

-D


> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> you can buy a cheap little steam generator at a restaurant auction or even a 
> small boiler, heat your building and have steam to clean cars, floor, 
> upholstery, or whatever.
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 8:27 PM:
>> I have thought about getting the HF one
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Mania

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

you can buy a cheap little steam generator at a restaurant auction or 
even a small boiler, heat your building and have steam to clean cars, 
floor, upholstery, or whatever.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 8:27 PM:

I have thought about getting the HF one





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Re: [MBZ] ML Mania

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I have thought about getting the HF one 

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> On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some ancient old Bissell, I think. Rarely gets used, I have to scrape the 
> dust off of it when I get it out.
> 
> Had to do some repairs to it as well, It had been sitting so long that a kink 
> in a hose that supplied the hot water to the pump had developed. It was right 
> next to a hose barb at the end of the hose, so I just snipped about 1/2” off 
> the end of the hose and made sure it would still reach. Success!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What steam cleaner do you have?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> More or less wrapped up everything that needs doing on the ML today.
>>> 
>>> Steam cleaned the carpets throughout, cleaned the interior well, installed 
>>> the new windshield washer reservoir which required removal of the radiator 
>>> support, believe it or not, and replaced a horn.
>>> 
>>> The last one was the weirdest. I’ve never had a horn fail on a Mercedes. 
>>> This car has the disc type horn in the front lower valance like most cars. 
>>> I checked everything from the fuse box, relay, down to the horn. Got power 
>>> all the way when I pressed the horn pad, so it must have been bad.
>>> 
>>> I’ve got a couple FIAMM horns from the W140 S500, so I grabbed one of them. 
>>> Had to change connectors, as the original horn had 1/4” push on connectors 
>>> and the S500 horn had screw terminals, but that was no big deal. I now have 
>>> a horn, which is nice.
>>> 
>>> It’s been nearly a week and I’ve not gotten any more warning lights, so I 
>>> have to assume that pulling and cleaning the ABS unit connector made it 
>>> happy. I do still have a BAS light due to a failed steering angle sensor, 
>>> but I’ll live with that for a while, as it’s a pig to replace and the lack 
>>> of brake assist isn’t a detriment to driving.
>>> 
>>> I’ll drive it a few more days before moving it to the storage site, my 
>>> friend’s house a couple blocks away. He’s TDY with his family for a couple 
>>> years in Monterey, CA, so the house is just sitting unused.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Mania

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Some ancient old Bissell, I think. Rarely gets used, I have to scrape the dust 
off of it when I get it out.

Had to do some repairs to it as well, It had been sitting so long that a kink 
in a hose that supplied the hot water to the pump had developed. It was right 
next to a hose barb at the end of the hose, so I just snipped about 1/2” off 
the end of the hose and made sure it would still reach. Success!

-D

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What steam cleaner do you have?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> More or less wrapped up everything that needs doing on the ML today.
>> 
>> Steam cleaned the carpets throughout, cleaned the interior well, installed 
>> the new windshield washer reservoir which required removal of the radiator 
>> support, believe it or not, and replaced a horn.
>> 
>> The last one was the weirdest. I’ve never had a horn fail on a Mercedes. 
>> This car has the disc type horn in the front lower valance like most cars. I 
>> checked everything from the fuse box, relay, down to the horn. Got power all 
>> the way when I pressed the horn pad, so it must have been bad.
>> 
>> I’ve got a couple FIAMM horns from the W140 S500, so I grabbed one of them. 
>> Had to change connectors, as the original horn had 1/4” push on connectors 
>> and the S500 horn had screw terminals, but that was no big deal. I now have 
>> a horn, which is nice.
>> 
>> It’s been nearly a week and I’ve not gotten any more warning lights, so I 
>> have to assume that pulling and cleaning the ABS unit connector made it 
>> happy. I do still have a BAS light due to a failed steering angle sensor, 
>> but I’ll live with that for a while, as it’s a pig to replace and the lack 
>> of brake assist isn’t a detriment to driving.
>> 
>> I’ll drive it a few more days before moving it to the storage site, my 
>> friend’s house a couple blocks away. He’s TDY with his family for a couple 
>> years in Monterey, CA, so the house is just sitting unused.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML Mania

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What steam cleaner do you have?

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> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> More or less wrapped up everything that needs doing on the ML today.
> 
> Steam cleaned the carpets throughout, cleaned the interior well, installed 
> the new windshield washer reservoir which required removal of the radiator 
> support, believe it or not, and replaced a horn.
> 
> The last one was the weirdest. I’ve never had a horn fail on a Mercedes. This 
> car has the disc type horn in the front lower valance like most cars. I 
> checked everything from the fuse box, relay, down to the horn. Got power all 
> the way when I pressed the horn pad, so it must have been bad.
> 
> I’ve got a couple FIAMM horns from the W140 S500, so I grabbed one of them. 
> Had to change connectors, as the original horn had 1/4” push on connectors 
> and the S500 horn had screw terminals, but that was no big deal. I now have a 
> horn, which is nice.
> 
> It’s been nearly a week and I’ve not gotten any more warning lights, so I 
> have to assume that pulling and cleaning the ABS unit connector made it 
> happy. I do still have a BAS light due to a failed steering angle sensor, but 
> I’ll live with that for a while, as it’s a pig to replace and the lack of 
> brake assist isn’t a detriment to driving.
> 
> I’ll drive it a few more days before moving it to the storage site, my 
> friend’s house a couple blocks away. He’s TDY with his family for a couple 
> years in Monterey, CA, so the house is just sitting unused.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Does Michigan still have concrete freeways?
New England doesn't although I still remember the days of the "clunk clunk, 
clunk clunk." down the road. Here where frost heaving is an issue it would get 
worse every year even after paving over. They finally pulled all the concrete 
in the '90s.

-Curt

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 10:00:47 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On May 14, 2019 at 9:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Will it town a 18’ car trailer loaded with a 210 for example?

In theory, that should be just within the 5000lb braked limit. 

The ML gives me the impression that it's SWB and on the tall side, I'm not sure 
if the tongue weight of a heavy trailer could induce hobby horsing on freeway 
expansion strips. OTOH, maybe your freeways don't induce galloping like 
Michigan freeways do. 
The dolly is pretty much all push/pull, there's no noticeable up/down action on 
the towing vehicle.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Cool! Thanks!

-D

> On May 15, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2019 at 8:53 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So the early MLs don’t care about taillight/brake light connections, 
>> correct? That would be a 163, right?
> 
> I don't know about that, I used an independently powered light controller. 
> If there be bulb out nannies, the input impedance of the controller isn't 
> enough to upset them. 
> There's a 12V outlet in the back, pretty simple to fish a wire from that down 
> to the bumper where I hid the controller. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

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> On May 15, 2019 at 8:53 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> So the early MLs don’t care about taillight/brake light connections, correct? 
> That would be a 163, right?

I don't know about that, I used an independently powered light controller. 
If there be bulb out nannies, the input impedance of the controller isn't 
enough to upset them. 
There's a 12V outlet in the back, pretty simple to fish a wire from that down 
to the bumper where I hid the controller. 

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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I believe that is correct. The issue on the 164 is the stability control nanny, 
braking controller, and light circuit and sensors, and who knows what else. The 
magic box deals with all that stuff.  I saw somewhere that this 99 I have is 
not concerned with those things but I cannot say with certainty but it seems to 
make sense. 

--FT
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> On May 15, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So the early MLs don’t care about taillight/brake light connections, correct? 
> That would be a 163, right?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 14, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I put a Curt hitch on the W164 for a bike rack. it mounted to the factory 
>> points. To hook in lights and to make the nannies happy you need a $2k 
>> controller. Factory tow package has all that so if you want to tow you 
>> should get one with that. 
>> 
>> This 163 I have has a hitch and light connector, I don’t think it has caring 
>> nannies. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
 bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
 while you do it?  I don't know.
>>> 
>>> I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later 
>>> model W164 at a non trivial cost. 
>>> 
>>> My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing 
>>> a 2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
>>> Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
>>> trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly 
>>> behind me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 
>>> 3500lb. 
>>> The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
>>> Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. 
>>> I don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those 
>>> reinforcements or not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about 
>>> ripping the rear crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, 
>>> but I would tow a 210 or 140 if the need arose. 
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

So the early MLs don’t care about taillight/brake light connections, correct? 
That would be a 163, right?

-D

> On May 14, 2019, at 10:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put a Curt hitch on the W164 for a bike rack. it mounted to the factory 
> points. To hook in lights and to make the nannies happy you need a $2k 
> controller. Factory tow package has all that so if you want to tow you should 
> get one with that. 
> 
> This 163 I have has a hitch and light connector, I don’t think it has caring 
> nannies. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
>>> bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
>>> while you do it?  I don't know.
>> 
>> I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later model 
>> W164 at a non trivial cost. 
>> 
>> My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing 
>> a 2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
>> Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
>> trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly behind 
>> me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 3500lb. 
>> The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
>> Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. 
>> I don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those 
>> reinforcements or not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about 
>> ripping the rear crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, 
>> but I would tow a 210 or 140 if the need arose. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Great minds deceive alike. Curt &  Fred & i did some fast footwork that day
in uhaul.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Haha!  Uhaul rents dollies to tow more MGs than were ever imported.
> When I towed my MBs, I also told them I would tow an MG.   I alternate
> between MG b and MG GT.
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote on 5/14/19 10:22 PM:
> > Remember we had to tell uhaul it was  an MG or something light so they
> > would rent to us?
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Haha!  Uhaul rents dollies to tow more MGs than were ever imported.   
When I towed my MBs, I also told them I would tow an MG.   I alternate 
between MG b and MG GT.


Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote on 5/14/19 10:22 PM:

Remember we had to tell uhaul it was  an MG or something light so they
would rent to us?

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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Remember we had to tell uhaul it was  an MG or something light so they
would rent to us?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 8:21 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  Kinda... When I got my '84 190D UHaul didn't want me to tow it with a
> Ranger. It towed it and it was okay until it started to snow at which point
> it was pretty scary.
> You'll never encounter snow but I suspect you'll want cars mostly
> larger/heavier than a W201...
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019, 4:41:28 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I was just thinking….
>
> Can an ML, like an ML430, tow another car with a dolly easily and/or
> safely?
>
> I ask because as I look around at cheap cars to pick up as a backup
> vehicle, if I could get something I could use to tow stuff with a dolly it
> would be a great help when I buy cars.
>
> I’m really wishing the youngest son would abandon his 200 E320 and buy a
> pickup truck like he’s been talking about. Then I could just buy a good
> trailer and borrow his truck, but I don’t see this happening any time soon.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My 16’ double 3500lb axle trailer weighs 1800lb but only has a 5000lb tongue 
(is that the trailer part?). The shop I bought it from said if I brought it to 
them they’d weld up a 7000lb tongue to it. So technically I guess it should 
only have a 3200lb load but I have hauled 126 SELs which are probably quite a 
bit more than 3200. 

--R
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> On May 14, 2019, at 9:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will it town a 18’ car trailer loaded with a 210 for example?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2019, at 8:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
>>> bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
>>> while you do it?  I don't know.
>> 
>> I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later model 
>> W164 at a non trivial cost. 
>> 
>> My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing 
>> a 2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
>> Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
>> trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly behind 
>> me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 3500lb. 
>> The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
>> Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. 
>> I don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those 
>> reinforcements or not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about 
>> ripping the rear crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, 
>> but I would tow a 210 or 140 if the need arose. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

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I put a Curt hitch on the W164 for a bike rack. it mounted to the factory 
points. To hook in lights and to make the nannies happy you need a $2k 
controller. Factory tow package has all that so if you want to tow you should 
get one with that. 

This 163 I have has a hitch and light connector, I don’t think it has caring 
nannies. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On May 14, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
>> bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
>> while you do it?  I don't know.
> 
> I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later model 
> W164 at a non trivial cost. 
> 
> My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing a 
> 2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
> Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
> trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly behind 
> me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 3500lb. 
> The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
> Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. I 
> don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those reinforcements 
> or not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about ripping the rear 
> crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, but I would tow a 
> 210 or 140 if the need arose. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

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> On May 14, 2019 at 9:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Will it town a 18’ car trailer loaded with a 210 for example?

In theory, that should be just within the 5000lb braked limit. 

The ML gives me the impression that it's SWB and on the tall side, I'm not sure 
if the tongue weight of a heavy trailer could induce hobby horsing on freeway 
expansion strips. OTOH, maybe your freeways don't induce galloping like 
Michigan freeways do. 
The dolly is pretty much all push/pull, there's no noticeable up/down action on 
the towing vehicle.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

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Will it town a 18’ car trailer loaded with a 210 for example?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2019, at 8:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
>> bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
>> while you do it?  I don't know.
> 
> I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later model 
> W164 at a non trivial cost. 
> 
> My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing a 
> 2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
> Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
> trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly behind 
> me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 3500lb. 
> The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
> Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. I 
> don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those reinforcements 
> or not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about ripping the rear 
> crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, but I would tow a 
> 210 or 140 if the need arose. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ML for Towing?

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> On May 14, 2019 at 6:11 PM fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> General rule - any vehicle can safely tow its own mass plus a
> bit.  With trailer brakes - even more.  Will the nannies scream
> while you do it?  I don't know.

I believe Rich said something about turning off the nannies in a later model 
W164 at a non trivial cost. 

My W163, a 2003 ML350, has ESP and 4Matic but it doesn't care if I'm towing a 
2900lb car on a 400lb dolly. Within a week of buying it, I drove it to 
Cleveland to pick up a Cruze. The only issues were the usual ones involving 
trying to get to Cleveland on rough roads with a bouncing empty dolly behind 
me. It's rated for 5000lb, but wears a class II Curt hitch rated at 3500lb. 
The hitch looks as solid as the 5000lb Draw-Tite version to me, but the 
Draw-Tite comes with two pieces of steel angle to reinforce the ML's frame. I 
don't know if MLs with factory towing package come with those reinforcements or 
not. I'd tow the W140 with the ML and not worry about ripping the rear 
crossmember off the ML's chassis. I've only towed Cruzes, but I would tow a 210 
or 140 if the need arose. 

Mitch.

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