Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
can you make a PDF of the 114/115 stuff?
On Friday, March 24, 2006, at 04:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FYI, I have a pretty complete set of Road Track back to the mid 60s
with a
few into the mid 50s. They tested a lot of MBs as well as others and
if
anyone has a question about a specific model it's probably in one of
them.
They didn't test a huge number of diesels but there are a few. Things
like
Base Price and Price as Tested as well as different performance values
are
shown.
If there's something I can look up for you just let me know -.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:15:01 -0600 tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Now the prices are set by the marketing department, cost is based on price less markup, and quality has suffered accordingly. Speaking of markup, profit margins back in the day were something on the order of 15-20% per vehicle, I'm told. Nowadays, I think it is more like 7%. So while the cars have become more attainable (marketing-speak for cheaper), they weren't quite so fabulously expensive as the inflation calculator would suggest, ceteris paribus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceteris_paribus : Ceteris paribus is a Latin phrase, literally translated as with other things [being] the same, and usually rendered in English as all other things being equal. A prediction, or a statement about causal or logical connections between two states of affairs, is qualified by ceteris paribus in order to acknowledge, and to rule out, the possibility of other factors which could override the relationship between the antecedent and the consequent. Craig
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
FYI, I have a pretty complete set of Road Track back to the mid 60s with a
few into the mid 50s. They tested a lot of MBs as well as others and if
anyone has a question about a specific model it's probably in one of them.
They didn't test a huge number of diesels but there are a few. Things like
Base Price and Price as Tested as well as different performance values are
shown.
If there's something I can look up for you just let me know -.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:15:01 -0600 tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Now the prices are set by the marketing department, cost is based
on price less markup, and quality has suffered accordingly.
Speaking of markup, profit margins back in the day were something on the
order of 15-20% per vehicle, I'm told. Nowadays, I think it is more
like 7%. So while the cars have become more attainable (marketing-speak
for cheaper), they weren't quite so fabulously expensive as the
inflation calculator would suggest, ceteris paribus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceteris_paribus :
Ceteris paribus is a Latin phrase, literally translated as with other
things [being] the same, and usually rendered in English as all other
things being equal. A prediction, or a statement about causal or logical
connections between two states of affairs, is qualified by ceteris paribus
in order to acknowledge, and to rule out, the possibility of other factors
which could override the relationship between the antecedent and the
consequent.
Craig
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Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
I got a copy of Enduring Passion by Butterfield. It's in the business section as it is on branding. He uses MB as the example throughout the book (very nice cover, BTW) and he interviews lots of MB insiders and there is a substantial amount of documentation on the take over by marketing...right about 1994. You are spot on. Chris Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not surprised at any of these prices' modern equivalents. Before 1994 and the Great Mercedes Badge Shift (when the letters moved in front of the numbers), the cars were built to a standard then priced at cost plus a big markup. Now the prices are set by the marketing department, cost is based on price less markup, and quality has suffered accordingly. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper On 3/22/06, Christopher McCann wrote: $80316.27 adjusted: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ Chris Donald Snook wrote: Chris M. wrote: I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. If you think that is crazy, I have the original window sticker for my car (1990 300SEL) and it was over 54K (IIRC) in 1990. Now, that is crazy Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 125K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 23 00:45:27 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FMDwy-00084W-TU for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:45:24 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id 20060323004509m1400suckse; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:45:09 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:45:08 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 squirrely rear end, Part II X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:45:27 - Loren Faeth wrote: Marshall, Was this TSB a recall? Is there any chance a dealer would check or update my 124 wagons? No, there was no recall. The original links lasted well past the warranty and weren't a flawed design. It's just that the revised links were FAR superior and robust. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Now the prices are set by the marketing department, cost is based on price less markup, and quality has suffered accordingly. Speaking of markup, profit margins back in the day were something on the order of 15-20% per vehicle, I'm told. Nowadays, I think it is more like 7%. So while the cars have become more attainable (marketing-speak for cheaper), they weren't quite so fabulously expensive as the inflation calculator would suggest, ceteris paribus.
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Chuck Landenberger wrote: Chris, Bob Nitske's book puts the MSRP for the 87 300TD at $42,500 I guess that means the ML at $60 something is cheaper in today's dollars... I'm just guessing on the ML price. Yep, a ML is a cheaply built POS compared to a S124 or a GL. I bet a 1990 GL has a higher resale value than a 2000 ML. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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My Mulrooney sticker for my 92 300D was $44,630 after the smoke silver paint and passenger airbag were included. Started at $42,950. On 3/21/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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I'm not much of an expert on station wagons, so I don't know what to comapre it too. I think I am biased becuase I love my 300SD so much that I fail to appreciate the TD. I DONT like the Al head, and the plasticky-ness of the interior. HOWEVER, it drives very well...my wife, who has never had a single ticket in her LIFE, got a 51 in a 35 the other day. She called me and her excuse, I was enjoying the drive My response, with a smile, I'm glad you like the car. Speeding is NOT in her blood, in fact she is really opposed to speeding...so it took that car to get it out of her! Even the struts for the rear door are ingenious. The strength and placement of them allow the back hatch to open REALLY REALLY high without any strut being in your way. Ingenious. Maybe it needs to grow on me. On the other hand, I sort of don't want it to grow on me cuz when we have a few more kids it's getting sold for a down payment on a passenger Sprinter. Chris Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, After driving one for several days, I really didn't think that $42k for the best station wagon ever made was excessive in 1987. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 22 15:02:09 2006 Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.200.66]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FM4qe-Oj-TS for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:02:09 + Received: (qmail 98145 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2006 15:02:05 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XC/ApfkTTB36hHIMecA3XT3akr8qngKPm8ZqpQMXRAfunbuJVTkehKSXwP4xNd6t6DWCoHn/ME5bldXRs9w+Mxnx3arD9wF2KbIYf2NcdB3FTqD1XW+4F/xyis8BA1EdEsU76SU49BVW6VxiqEb8AQ+jYKOzeACs76TRzgsyEzg= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [67.52.19.222] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:02:04 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:02:09 - thanks for digging up that info Chuck - that's really incredible. Chris Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Levi Smith wrote: Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? I can't find my copy of the Mulroney right now, but I'm pretty sure my '82 300D was $32k and change, with no options. My '76 450SEL was $33k, decently optioned-up. Tom
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My 86 SDL was in the 48K range. I have the window sticker downstairs from the OO At 09:02 AM 3/22/2006, you wrote: thanks for digging up that info Chuck - that's really incredible. Chris Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I forgot to add something.. It's only cheaper if your salary/income has kept pace or exceeded the inflation rate.. Of course, I'm not including all the kids you might have had in between... ::) Take care, Chuck On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Levi Smith wrote: Speaking of MSRP's, I'm just curious... Anyone know what the MSRP was for an 83' 300D or something similar? My '82 300TD had a list price of about $32,000 and my '85 was a little higher ($34k as I recall but I don't have the papers any more). The '82 300D sedan was just under $30k at the beginning of the year and increased to just over $30k in Sept. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] MSRP's of our old cars
Chris M. wrote: I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. If you think that is crazy, I have the original window sticker for my car (1990 300SEL) and it was over 54K (IIRC) in 1990. Now, that is crazy Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 125K
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Think I remember seeing the MSRP of my 1990 350SDL at around $66K from the original ownerI'll check tonight. Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533
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Chris, Bob Nitske's book puts the MSRP for the 87 300TD at $42,500 I guess that means the ML at $60 something is cheaper in today's dollars... I'm just guessing on the ML price. Yes, it is INSANE. On Mar 21, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: Any source to find this out, in general? I heard $42,000 for the 87 300TD - plug that into the inflation calculator and it's $70,604 (2005 $) - that seems INSANE. Even without the inflation calculator - $42,000 in '87 was ALOT of money for a station wagon...even an MB. Thanks, Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 212K, Wulf -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
