Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andy sez: Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:21:44 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of

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2015-03-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:39 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4. Yes, and make carbon dioxide and other things. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2015-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
The Europeans need to pass regulations and taxes on the volcanoes, like they do for everything else. That should deal with it all effectively. --R On 3/21/15 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of abrasive dust

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:21:44 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks. Along with the abrasive dust are nice benign things like sulphuric

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I was a chem major until I realized I didn't want to be cooped up all afternoon in a lab... On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:39 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:58 -0400 To: diese...@pisquared.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Only if we enter an age

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2015-03-20 Thread clay via Mercedes
Tambora blew in 1816 which lead to the loss of family farm. Not krakatoa clay On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?

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2015-03-20 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Andy sez: Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust settles.. Forget the big ones. I'd bet Puu O'o has put out more pollution in the past 30 years than all the wood and fossil fuels ever burned. And that is a fairly benign volcano. When the big ones blow, as andrew

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2015-03-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust settles.. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Tambora blew in 1816 which lead to the loss of family farm. Not krakatoa clay On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages? Krakatoa blew in August, 1883. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa Craig ___

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2015-03-19 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Let's see! Where to begin? Warmer is much better than colder (for the US). The proposed solutions would seriously deteriorate the economic status of the poor and middle class (in the US). The former head of the IPCC has admitted that this cause is a religion to him. There are vast areas of

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2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate change deniers. I j ust hope you don't own any beach property. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research

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2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:48

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2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather

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2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
So today and tomorrow are supermoons or something (the vernal equinox) so the morning tides are really high. My back yard is flooded more than usual today (and downtown Charleston is probably a swamp too). I am thinking that if we get a bit more sea level rise I could put in a dock and run

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:54:48 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate change deniers. I j ust hope you don't own any beach property. Actually, Andrew, what he said is correct. The records are

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2015-03-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing and *ad hominem *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2) the attempts to suppress publication of scientific studies which don't support the global warming narrative. Add to that the proposed solutions all

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2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:58 -0400 To: diese...@pisquared.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com

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2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of

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2015-03-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to

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2015-03-19 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com To: diese...@pisquared.net Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:31:31 + Doh! CRS! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:01:50 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

2015-03-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Eighteen hundred and froze to death? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2015-03-19 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Ad hominem occurs from both political persuasions. There are zero solutions, however, we could agree that we are persons that all desire to continue to live. Those with money cannot continue to make money if we do not purchase stuff, yet, we all need to purchase stuff. I drive a 30 year old used

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2015-03-19 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
And selling them our oil doesn't help either. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on

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2015-03-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Craig wrote: If I had nothing else to do (HA!), I would detail more of the prostituting of science in the name of that political agenda. ‎It is all about passing Cap and Trade, which is nothing but a massive transference of wealth from the middle and upper middle class to the ultra wealthy.

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2015-03-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us. RB On

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2015-03-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Spoiler alert: The moon walk was also a government con! On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing and *ad hominem *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2)

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2015-03-19 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff. First is whether the planet is warming up. Second is what the cause of (1) might be if it is happening. Third then is what to do about it. 1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at