Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I hate that too, but we have a combo convection/air fryer countertop unit and 
at least it does get used pretty often. The worst are appliance "gadgets" 
taking up space but that you never use because they are only useful for *one* 
thing.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, at 16:58, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> I got introduced to air fryers via the youngest son. I like to refer to 
> them as “adult Easy-Bake ovens”! They definitely have a place and can 
> do some serious things with frozen convenience-type foods as well as 
> warming up pizza. That said, it’s another appliance taking up counter 
> or cabinet space, which I hate.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Agreed.

I got introduced to air fryers via the youngest son. I like to refer to them as 
“adult Easy-Bake ovens”! They definitely have a place and can do some serious 
things with frozen convenience-type foods as well as warming up pizza. That 
said, it’s another appliance taking up counter or cabinet space, which I hate.

-D

> On Jan 4, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Combo convection oven/microwave seems odd to me because the operations are so 
> different.
> 
> You're essentially talking about a combo toaster oven/microwave.
> 
> We have a combo toaster oven/convection oven/air fryer. The air fryer part is 
> pretty garbage, it works okay but is too small to cook a useful volume of 
> anything. The convection oven part works pretty well for reheating things 
> like fries. The toaster works as well as any other toaster oven I've ever 
> used...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:19:58 PM EST, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Our microwave had the first example I've run across of failing "on". You put 
> food in it, started the cooking cycle, then the bell sounded and it turned 
> off. When you open the door, it turns on again. The only way to turn it off 
> is to un-plug it. Now we have to leave it unplugged, open the door, put the 
> food in, close the door. plug it into the wall outlet, clear the nanny, set 
> the time and push go. when it's done, unplug it, open the door and remove the 
> food without frying your hand. 
> 
> Yes, something broke and latched the wrong way in the door latch mechanism, 
> and might be repairable, but I don't have the bandwidth to deal with it and 
> SWMBO wants to play with a small convection oven, so a new Panasonic should 
> arrive tomorrow. We'll see.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Every microwave oven I've ever examined had three different
switches in series with the current to the main guts.  What you
describe should not be possible, unless some cheap-ass really
compromised on the essential safety of the design.

However you dispose of this POS, make sure you completely
disable it before it gets out of your control.  It's f'n dangerous
as hell as-is.

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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Combo convection oven/microwave seems odd to me because the operations are so 
different.

You're essentially talking about a combo toaster oven/microwave.

We have a combo toaster oven/convection oven/air fryer. The air fryer part is 
pretty garbage, it works okay but is too small to cook a useful volume of 
anything. The convection oven part works pretty well for reheating things like 
fries. The toaster works as well as any other toaster oven I've ever used...

-Curt


On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:19:58 PM EST, MB list etc via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Our microwave had the first example I've run across of failing "on". You put 
food in it, started the cooking cycle, then the bell sounded and it turned off. 
When you open the door, it turns on again. The only way to turn it off is to 
un-plug it. Now we have to leave it unplugged, open the door, put the food in, 
close the door. plug it into the wall outlet, clear the nanny, set the time and 
push go. when it's done, unplug it, open the door and remove the food without 
frying your hand. 

Yes, something broke and latched the wrong way in the door latch mechanism, and 
might be repairable, but I don't have the bandwidth to deal with it and SWMBO 
wants to play with a small convection oven, so a new Panasonic should arrive 
tomorrow. We'll see.


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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Our microwave had the first example I've run across of failing "on". You put 
food in it, started the cooking cycle, then the bell sounded and it turned off. 
When you open the door, it turns on again. The only way to turn it off is to 
un-plug it. Now we have to leave it unplugged, open the door, put the food in, 
close the door. plug it into the wall outlet, clear the nanny, set the time and 
push go. when it's done, unplug it, open the door and remove the food without 
frying your hand. 

Yes, something broke and latched the wrong way in the door latch mechanism, and 
might be repairable, but I don't have the bandwidth to deal with it and SWMBO 
wants to play with a small convection oven, so a new Panasonic should arrive 
tomorrow. We'll see.

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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 16:03:44 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Years ago, on the DEW Line, operators were getting cataracts from
> > back-scatter.
> 
> Had they worn their gold thin-film (IR-blocking) aviator's sunglasses
> they'd have been fine, and looking sharp too!

Well, yes and no. Besides, Air Force issue sunglasses did not have thin
films and were not polarized.


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Jim, et al.
The solution was to move the operation center 100 meters away out from
underneath the antenna.
Genius.
Fred.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:04 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > Years ago, on the DEW Line, operators were getting cataracts from
> back-scatter.
>
> Had they worn their gold thin-film (IR-blocking) aviator's sunglasses
> they'd have been fine, and looking sharp too!
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Years ago, on the DEW Line, operators were getting cataracts from 
> back-scatter.

Had they worn their gold thin-film (IR-blocking) aviator's sunglasses
they'd have been fine, and looking sharp too!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Years ago, on the DEW Line, operators were getting cataracts from
back-scatter.
Nothing changes.
Fred.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:37 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> My grandmother had coffee cups that had a metal accent. Whatever that
> metal was it was enough to smoke several microwaves.
>
> My grandfather finally got rid of those mugs...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 05:05:53 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> It's amazing how small a residual piece of aluminum foil needs to be to
> cause a microwave to go ballistic.
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:02 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > > And if that candy bar in your pocket is getting squishy, take a few
> > steps back…
> >
> > Or if it's getting hard to read the label on it...
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My grandmother had coffee cups that had a metal accent. Whatever that metal was 
it was enough to smoke several microwaves.

My grandfather finally got rid of those mugs...

-Curt



On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 05:05:53 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote: 





It's amazing how small a residual piece of aluminum foil needs to be to
cause a microwave to go ballistic.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:02 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > And if that candy bar in your pocket is getting squishy, take a few
> steps back…
>
> Or if it's getting hard to read the label on it...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's amazing how small a residual piece of aluminum foil needs to be to
cause a microwave to go ballistic.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:02 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > And if that candy bar in your pocket is getting squishy, take a few
> steps back…
>
> Or if it's getting hard to read the label on it...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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> And if that candy bar in your pocket is getting squishy, take a few steps 
> back…

Or if it's getting hard to read the label on it...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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And if that candy bar in your pocket is getting squishy, take a few steps back…

-D

> On Jan 3, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 14:22:17 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Do you have to wear the lead shield like at the dentist office when
>> they take x-rays?
> 
> Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation, so, no, you do not have to wear a
> lead apron. Just keep your eyes out of the way!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation, so, no, you do not have to wear a
> lead apron. Just keep your eyes out of the way!

However, high-voltage vacuum tubes can generate ionizing radiation,
and not necessarily on purpose, so that is something to beware of.
I don't know how likely magnetrons are to generate it, of course.

But your dental X-ray generator is a HV vacuum tube, and it does
it plenty, on purpose.  Old tube TV's were known to generate X-rays,
usually out of the horizontal deflection tube, not the picture tube.
(Picture tubes had lead-glass faces, IIRC.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 14:22:17 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Do you have to wear the lead shield like at the dentist office when
> they take x-rays?

Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation, so, no, you do not have to wear a
lead apron. Just keep your eyes out of the way!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> will boil a cup of water in seconds, I’ve never had a microwave that powerful 
> before. For that matter, if it’s used at full power for any length of time, 
> it can pop the breaker it’s on…

The old-school half-wave rectifier magnetron power supply can only draw
significant power from the line during a portion of the cycle, that around
the peak voltage in one direction only. Microwaves basically are only generated
part of the time.

Using a more sophisticated power supply, such as the newer inverter technology,
the magnetron can be made to supply continuous microwaves, pumping a lot more
heat into the target per unit time.  Greater than 2x, assuming the same 20A 
circuit
limitations of house wiring.  (Amana made 220V industrial microwaves that were
considerably more powerful than the consumer appliances.)

Of course, that will result in additional waste heat being generated within the 
magnetron,
which has to be dealt with.  You can't just finagle the power supply on your 
old Amana
to double the effective power and have something that will survive.

Engineering, am I right?

Do the 33-second 1L water test on your own oven, and find out what its effective
power is for yourself.  (Equivalent to a 100% efficient submerged resistance 
heater.)
I used a photography thermometer, but a medical thermometer would do the trick.
You just need before and after temperatures, in degrees Fahrenheit.  Multiply 
the
difference by 100 for the equivalent wattage of your oven.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That sounds like ours. Dang thing will boil a cup of water in seconds, I’ve 
never had a microwave that powerful before. For that matter, if it’s used at 
full power for any length of time, it can pop the breaker it’s on…

-D


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Do you think it still produces as much power as it initially did?
> 
> My wife whines that it's 'weak', but I followed the test instructions
> I'd dug up, and it's still within spec.  It's just that newer inverter-based
> microwaves can be more powerful than this.  From my notes:
> 
>> She'd complained that the oven was 'weak', but I tested it.  Line
>> power was about 1450W, normal I hear, and a water heating test said
>> about 700W, which is correct.  (Heat 1L of water for 33 seconds, the
>> temperature rise in oF times 100 is the effective wattage.)  So
>> it's working as well as it did new, I think, and it's built like a
>> brick s***house.  A pleasure to work on, almost.  Good thing it's all
>> OK, a replacement magnetron is no longer available.
> 
> Yes, it's old-school tech, but it's _extremely_ well built inside, as befits
> something made by defense contractors (Amana and Litton) costing
> (in today's dollars) $3,000+ or thereabouts.  I have repaired it a couple
> of times, nothing major.  (Electrolytic capacitors, fuses, a broken spring.)
> 
> To quote Orin Scrivello D.D.S.:
> 
> Orin  : It's an antique. 
> They don't make 'em like this any more. Sturdy. Heavy. Dull!
> 
> -- Jim
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> Do you think it still produces as much power as it initially did?

My wife whines that it's 'weak', but I followed the test instructions
I'd dug up, and it's still within spec.  It's just that newer inverter-based
microwaves can be more powerful than this.  From my notes:

> She'd complained that the oven was 'weak', but I tested it.  Line
> power was about 1450W, normal I hear, and a water heating test said
> about 700W, which is correct.  (Heat 1L of water for 33 seconds, the
> temperature rise in oF times 100 is the effective wattage.)  So
> it's working as well as it did new, I think, and it's built like a
> brick s***house.  A pleasure to work on, almost.  Good thing it's all
> OK, a replacement magnetron is no longer available.

Yes, it's old-school tech, but it's _extremely_ well built inside, as befits
something made by defense contractors (Amana and Litton) costing
(in today's dollars) $3,000+ or thereabouts.  I have repaired it a couple
of times, nothing major.  (Electrolytic capacitors, fuses, a broken spring.)

To quote Orin Scrivello D.D.S.:

Orin  : It's an antique. They 
don't make 'em like this any more. Sturdy. Heavy. Dull!

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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Do you have to wear the lead shield like at the dentist office when they 
take x-rays?


Randy


On 03/01/2024 2:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Magic Chef for the “as close as you can get to original commercial-grade 
microwave” approach.

We have one in the AZ house that could melt steel, I believe, it’s so powerful.

-D



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wrote:

On 03/01/2024 1:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Well, my 1978 Amana is still working well...  :-)

-- Jim



Do you think it still produces as much power as it initially did?

We had an Amana for many years but my wife began to think it did not work as 
well as it had in the past and replaced it.

Since then, we have had a series of them as they don't last as long as the 
Amana did.

Randy





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Magic Chef for the “as close as you can get to original commercial-grade 
microwave” approach.

We have one in the AZ house that could melt steel, I believe, it’s so powerful.

-D


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 03/01/2024 1:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well, my 1978 Amana is still working well...  :-)
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
>> 
> Do you think it still produces as much power as it initially did?
> 
> We had an Amana for many years but my wife began to think it did not work as 
> well as it had in the past and replaced it.
> 
> Since then, we have had a series of them as they don't last as long as the 
> Amana did.
> 
> Randy
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On 03/01/2024 1:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Well, my 1978 Amana is still working well...  :-)

-- Jim



Do you think it still produces as much power as it initially did?

We had an Amana for many years but my wife began to think it did not 
work as well as it had in the past and replaced it.


Since then, we have had a series of them as they don't last as long as 
the Amana did.


Randy


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Well, my 1978 Amana is still working well...  :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT- microwave ovens

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Not specifically for a convection combo.

My microwave is a Goldstar (I belive now the brand would be called LG) and is 
about 30 years old. I don't know if current models will deliver the same 
longevity but the old ones were evidently well-made.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 Another problem is that the cooling fan is jammed and doesn't run.

That's what you get for not having in store pickup of appliances
and electronics these days. I bought two window air conditioners
last year and never unboxed them. I hope UPS didn't convert them
into scrap for me. Should have paid the $5 in gas to go pick
them up, but free shipping made me lazy. 
OTOH, I bought a dehumidifier at Meijer last week and had to
return it because one of the casters was shattered from somebody
dropping the box. Two trips to the store and I ended up empty handed
because they were all gone by the time I discovered the damage. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Jim Cathey]

 in the market for a new microwave...I was not impressed.

So far I've been very pleased with the Amana in our
kitchen.  Built like the proverbial brick s***house
inside, very repairable.  Of course, it dates from
the late 70's when those things were most definitely
_not_ cheap.  I've had to do some soldering and a
capacitor replacement on its power supply, other
than that it's still going strong.  Made in USA.

And it doesn't beep at me.  Ever.  I hate beeping.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[John Robbins]

Jim Cathey wrote:
 And it doesn't beep at me.  Ever.  I hate beeping.

My mircowave gets upset if I haven't taken the food out fast enough for 
its liking... about every 30 seconds or so it beeps at me.  Kinda 
overkill IMO.

John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Rich Thomas]

I like that feature.  Many times I have finished supper or whatever, 
next meal I go to put something in the wave, and there I find part of 
the last meal.  Oooops.  Our dryer does it too, that is really annoying.

--R

John Robbins wrote:
 Jim Cathey wrote:
   
 And it doesn't beep at me.  Ever.  I hate beeping.
 

 My mircowave gets upset if I haven't taken the food out fast enough for 
 its liking... about every 30 seconds or so it beeps at me.  Kinda 
 overkill IMO.

 John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[pm7088]

We bought a 1st generation AMANA in about 1977, cost about $800 (Real $), made 
out of stainless steel, built like a Benz bank vault.

Our 2 year old Frigidaire is the hero of the kitchen.  I'm amazed when I use 
it.  Put in left overs, push warm button and the are warm, regardless of 
weight, quantity, etc.  How do they do that?  How do they thaw red meat 
perfectly without cooking it a little?

Please don't answer these questions, I prefer to believe in magic :-0

Pete

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[John Robbins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Put in left overs, push warm button and the are warm,
 regardless of weight, quantity, etc.  How do they do that?  How do
 they thaw red meat perfectly without cooking it a little?

I wish mine would work that well!  The meat always gets a little browned 
on the outside.  Is this one of those permanent mount microwaves?

John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Rolf]

I want one of the new ones that is a toaster, a grill, a convection oven
AND microwave.

Cant beat that with a bat.

-Rolf

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 We've been in the market for a new microwave oven. After looking at the
 local hardware store (where the microwave ovens were still in their boxes)
 and online, I decided to get one from Amazon.com.

 I chose the Sharp R-230KK Black 800-Watt 4/5 cubic foot oven because many
 of the others are 17+ inches deep and leave little or no counter room in
 front of the microwave.

 It came today.

 I put it on our formica counter and immediately noticed that the hard
 plastic (front) and metal (rear) feet slide very easily over the counter,
 especially when you try to push to button to open the door.

 I was not impressed.

 It's going back.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Rich Thomas]

WOW!  A floor polish AND a dessert topping!

--R

Rolf wrote:
 I want one of the new ones that is a toaster, a grill, a convection oven
 AND microwave.

 Cant beat that with a bat.

 -Rolf

   


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Curt Raymond]

Just add water, makes its own sauce.

Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:30:28 -0500
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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WOW!  A floor polish AND a dessert topping!

--R

Rolf wrote:
 I want one of the new ones that is a toaster, a grill, a convection
 oven
 AND microwave.

 Cant beat that with a bat.

 -Rolf

   


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Rolf]

What you really want is this http://www.vorwerk.com/thermomix/html/

My wife is all hot on it but the $1k+ price tag makes parts of me shrivel.

(2008-05-02 14:47:49) *rolf:* hey
(2008-05-02 14:47:54) *rolf:* whats the name of that thing you want
(2008-05-02 14:47:58) *rolf:* for the kitchen
(2008-05-02 14:47:59) *rolf:* all in one
(2008-05-02 14:48:02) *rolf:* thermo king?
(2008-05-02 14:48:16) *Christelle:* thermomix
(2008-05-02 14:48:21) *Christelle:* aka bimbi
(2008-05-02 14:48:33) *Christelle:* the god of all food processors

There you have it. The GOD of all food processors even.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
 Just add water, makes its own sauce.

 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:30:28 -0500
 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 WOW!  A floor polish AND a dessert topping!

 --R

 Rolf wrote:
   
 I want one of the new ones that is a toaster, a grill, a convection
 
  oven
   
 AND microwave.

 Cant beat that with a bat.

 -Rolf

   

 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Microwave ovens

[Douglas]

I am looking at the GE trivection OTR microwave does it all with speed cook. 
Easy to program and only $750 for basically a second oven also.

Douglas
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Subject: [MBZ] OT - Microwave ovens


 'Bought an Amana for $180 at U-Tapao Royal Thai Naval Base, Thailand, base
 exchange in Nov '72; brought it home in the bomb bay of a B-52 Jan '73. 
 The
 unit was bigger than most units now and HEAVY; 'built like a Benz 123.
 'Used it for 24 yrs and was still working fine, but plastic ceiling in 
 it
 finally warped, and I got frustrated trying to get it to stay in place.
 We've had 2 since the Amana.

 Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Bill R]

OMG, I hope it doesn't require that you read their instructions to assemble
the thing!

The Thermomix cooks by oneself...prepares dishes, also time-consuming,
easier and faster than you are accustomed of the traditional cuisine. The
several times patented all-in-one-concept...allows weighing, cutting,
chaffing, kneading, stirring and heating...recipes succeed always and taste
brilliant. By using the Varoma you cook vitamin-protecting, healthy and
delicious - just your family's fancy.

Bill R's Sue

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What you really want is this http://www.vorwerk.com/thermomix/html/

My wife is all hot on it but the $1k+ price tag makes parts of me shrivel.

(2008-05-02 14:47:49) *rolf:* hey
(2008-05-02 14:47:54) *rolf:* whats the name of that thing you want
(2008-05-02 14:47:58) *rolf:* for the kitchen
(2008-05-02 14:47:59) *rolf:* all in one
(2008-05-02 14:48:02) *rolf:* thermo king?
(2008-05-02 14:48:16) *Christelle:* thermomix
(2008-05-02 14:48:21) *Christelle:* aka bimbi
(2008-05-02 14:48:33) *Christelle:* the god of all food processors

There you have it. The GOD of all food processors even.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
 Just add water, makes its own sauce.

 Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:30:28 -0500
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 WOW!  A floor polish AND a dessert topping!

 --R

 Rolf wrote:
   
 I want one of the new ones that is a toaster, a grill, a convection
 
  oven
   
 AND microwave.

 Cant beat that with a bat.

 -Rolf

   

 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[OK Don]

Our 1975 Kenmore - bottom of the line - microwave finally died - with
that burning transformer smell - this last Dec. The new (cheap) one
that replaced it is also too light to push the buttons on without
pushing it off the counter. I need to apply some glue to hold it
still.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:19 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We bought a 1st generation AMANA in about 1977, cost about $800 (Real $), 
 made out of stainless steel, built like a Benz bank vault.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:43:10 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
  Another problem is that the cooling fan is jammed and doesn't run.
 
 That's what you get for not having in store pickup of appliances
 and electronics these days. I bought two window air conditioners
 last year and never unboxed them. I hope UPS didn't convert them
 into scrap for me. Should have paid the $5 in gas to go pick
 them up, but free shipping made me lazy. 
 OTOH, I bought a dehumidifier at Meijer last week and had to
 return it because one of the casters was shattered from somebody
 dropping the box. Two trips to the store and I ended up empty handed
 because they were all gone by the time I discovered the damage. 

And when going to Santa Fe to look at microwaves not in a box means an
hour drive each way, it biases the decision toward getting it on line.

Shirley said, They [Amazon] do well with books, but not microwaves.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 I put it on our formica counter and immediately noticed that the hard
 plastic (front) and metal (rear) feet slide very easily over the counter,
 especially when you try to push to button to open the door.

It might be easier to put a dab of silicone on each foot than to ship
the thing back. When the sealant starts getting firm, put waxed paper
over the feet and put it right side up. When fully hardened, remove
the waxed paper and the silicone should grip the formica.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 02 May 2008 00:31:03 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
  I put it on our formica counter and immediately noticed that the hard
  plastic (front) and metal (rear) feet slide very easily over the
  counter, especially when you try to push to button to open the door.
 
 It might be easier to put a dab of silicone on each foot than to ship
 the thing back. When the sealant starts getting firm, put waxed paper
 over the feet and put it right side up. When fully hardened, remove
 the waxed paper and the silicone should grip the formica.

Good idea.

Another problem is that the cooling fan is jammed and doesn't run. I was
going to open the thing to try to free the fan (I heard some
fan-blade-banging-against-something type noises when I first powered it
up), but they have tamper-resistant torx screws holding the cover on.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwave ovens

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  going to open the thing to try to free the fan (I heard some
  fan-blade-banging-against-something type noises when I first powered it
  up), but they have tamper-resistant torx screws holding the cover on.

Bits to drive those are readily available online and good to have... I
notice them in use on an increasing number of consumer products that
They don't want you to get inside.

Alex

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