Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Would it be easier to weld rusty exhaust pipes with MIG than with an Oxy/acet. torch ?? Seems like it wouldn't burn as much. Not really, it just spatters and doesn't weld until you do burn through all the rust. I've watched near-artists with the oxy torch do exhaust work, they make it look easy. (It's not!) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
I used to be pretty good with rusty exhaust systems - I got all the jobs in the shop for the cheap customers who wouldn't replace the old pipes. Now I'm becoming one of them -- -- Not really, it just spatters and doesn't weld until you do burn through all the rust. I've watched near-artists with the oxy torch do exhaust work, they make it look easy. (It's not!) -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
when i got my mig welder i just picked up pieces of scrap from the shop and started playing with the controls on the welder...just making nothing. after awhile, i sensed which levels and which angles of attack made something... later i learned that if you want to weld copper, you get copper wire and argon...and then i made copper nothings for awhile... and if you want to weld aluminum...buy a tip gun but, at long last, use the sob...make a mess...then get to the job at hand
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Mig welding is one of the easiest to learn, but the trick to using a mig welder is knowing the different settings used on the welder for the metal you are welding. There are different speed settings for the wire feed and heat. Some of the cheaper models are don't use gas and they plug right into a standard 110V outlet like the one you are looking at. I have used a migwelder for more than 20 years (mines a Walker) and its one of the better investments I've made. I basically taught myself to use it through different jobs I had in the past. Most of them will have straight forward instructions on how to set it up for what you want to weld. Once you use it you will wonder why you didn't get one before. BTW, make sure you get a good face shield, heavy welders gloves and maybe a welders aprin. Been burned a few times and its not a pleasant experience. 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:37:08 -0600 Subject: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
I've never had any sorta luck with HF stuff that had more than three moving parts AND electrical current running through it. I recently bought a similarly sized Lincoln welder that I absolutely love (~$375). I can find replacement parts relatively easy and best of all, it's made right here in the Peoples Republic of Usa. Mig (with shield gas) is super/mega/hyper easy, but Oxy/Ace brazing can be maddeningly tricky for a novice, so if you can do the latter, the former will be a breeze. I just use my Oxy/Ace torch for cutting or heating stubborn fasteners, and do all my metal bonding work with the Mig setup. On 11/25/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (206k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is it something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? I was in much the same place a while ago. I just dove in on my first project, recognizing that it might take awhile to learn it. So far, so good. I bought a book or two to read up on it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Both those units claim to be able to use flux core wire. Are the benefits of using gas worth the extra hassle? Thanks -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99 E300 On 11/25/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Less spatter, cleaner weld Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders Both those units claim to be able to use flux core wire. Are the benefits of using gas worth the extra hassle? Thanks -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99 E300 On 11/25/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Same as most things - bigger is better. Spend the bit extra and get a 220V machine with variable heat and wire speed. I have a small 110V unit with variable wire speed and 2 heat settings. I am watching for a good deal on a bigger and better one.I would have been smarter and it would have cost me less in the long run if I had just bought the better one first time out. You also want the shielding gas if you are going to do bodywork. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:37 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
you won't be able to weld certain metals without gas, but if its just simple body and frame work there is no need for using gas 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:44:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders Both those units claim to be able to use flux core wire. Are the benefits of using gas worth the extra hassle? Thanks -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99 E300 On 11/25/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
I did realize one thing after using a migwelder once you go to arc welding (which takes lots of practice and good hand eye coordination) using a mig is like a solder gun 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:42:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders I've never had any sorta luck with HF stuff that had more than three moving parts AND electrical current running through it. I recently bought a similarly sized Lincoln welder that I absolutely love (~$375). I can find replacement parts relatively easy and best of all, it's made right here in the Peoples Republic of Usa. Mig (with shield gas) is super/mega/hyper easy, but Oxy/Ace brazing can be maddeningly tricky for a novice, so if you can do the latter, the former will be a breeze. I just use my Oxy/Ace torch for cutting or heating stubborn fasteners, and do all my metal bonding work with the Mig setup. On 11/25/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have an opinion on these? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6098 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=6271 I'm thinking one might be useful - but have only ever done oxy/acetylene welding. Is MIG welding something you can learn by doing, or should one take a class? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (206k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - MIG welders
Would it be easier to weld rusty exhaust pipes with MIG than with an Oxy/acet. torch ?? Seems like it wouldn't burn as much. On 11/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did realize one thing after using a migwelder once you go to arc welding (which takes lots of practice and good hand eye coordination) using a mig is like a solder gun -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
