Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
A, the reality of economics. Something sadly missing in the world of politics when it comes to.. well, everything! Unfortunately, knowledge of economics seems to never be taught in our public schools.Of course it's not a sexy subject so students are hard to engage. But it's kind of like gravity - always there in the background working there's nothing you can do to stop it LarryT On 4/29/2015 12:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Becuase it's expensive! On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is possible to make hydrogen for fuel and oxygen to burn it out of a tankfull of water. This can be a direct replacement for gasoline. However the powers that be can't figure out how to tax and regulate it, so if you persist in doing it, you won't live long. It has been known for at least 70 years how to make synthetic Diesel and gasoline out of coal, and it is a clean process. However, nobody is doing it. It is very high quality fuel with Cetane higher than dino diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
It is possible to make hydrogen for fuel and oxygen to burn it out of a tankfull of water. This can be a direct replacement for gasoline. However the powers that be can't figure out how to tax and regulate it, so if you persist in doing it, you won't live long. It has been known for at least 70 years how to make synthetic Diesel and gasoline out of coal, and it is a clean process. However, nobody is doing it. It is very high quality fuel with Cetane higher than dino diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
Becuase it's expensive! On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is possible to make hydrogen for fuel and oxygen to burn it out of a tankfull of water. This can be a direct replacement for gasoline. However the powers that be can't figure out how to tax and regulate it, so if you persist in doing it, you won't live long. It has been known for at least 70 years how to make synthetic Diesel and gasoline out of coal, and it is a clean process. However, nobody is doing it. It is very high quality fuel with Cetane higher than dino diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:19:51 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Man its got to be inefficient, imagine the energy input required. Still it'd be a way to utilize the power from a tidal plant... Actually, it's the perfect use for intermittent solar or wind energy, a load that's powered when the energy is available and does not need to be backed up by a conventional power plant. http://www.sciencealert.com/audi-have-successfully-made-diesel-fuel-from-air-and-water Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present: '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 268 kmi (with failed paint on the hood) Past:'72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi '64 190Dc Emma '72 220/8 '86 190E/2.3 '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi (given to Kaleb) '95 E320 Sebastian 117 kmi RIP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
Being a capitalist by nature I feel the need to ask the question, what is my rate of return on expenditure to make that one gallon of blue diesel fuel. Just looking at the schematic of the system, I see expensive equipment setting idle waiting for the sun to shine or wind to blow, the land it sets on, buildings to house it, people costs to run, adjust, and maintain it. Then, a very low product flow. Is it economically feasible, when scaled up to commercial volume is yet another question unanswered, without large expenditure of capital. Wonderful idea perhaps, but reality wins... I can drill and develop an entire oil field for what the experiment with this would cost me and the oil will sell on delivery. Fail... On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:19:51 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Man its got to be inefficient, imagine the energy input required. Still it'd be a way to utilize the power from a tidal plant... Actually, it's the perfect use for intermittent solar or wind energy, a load that's powered when the energy is available and does not need to be backed up by a conventional power plant. http://www.sciencealert.com/audi-have-successfully-made-diesel-fuel-from-air-and-water Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present: '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 268 kmi (with failed paint on the hood) Past:'72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi '64 190Dc Emma '72 220/8 '86 190E/2.3 '94 E420 Oskar 127 kmi (given to Kaleb) '95 E320 Sebastian 117 kmi RIP ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
It seems that it would be easier to build portable synthetic diesel plants and move them to the old land fills around the country and create synthetic diesel from all the methane that's available. Or tap into some natural gas where it's not economical to transport. Or just build a plant in DC and capture the political gas to create the diesel and the hot air as a power source. This water source method seems like a new way to sell wind mills and other items or as a new income source for Holland since flowers probably aren't selling as good due to the wonderful state of the world economy. Probably good for Europe as they are all packed together like sardines, but maybe not so much in Texas or Montana. Just some thoughts... Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel!
Man its got to be inefficient, imagine the energy input required. Still it'd be a way to utilize the power from a tidal plant... -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Synthetic Diesel! http://www.sciencealert.com/audi-have-successfully-made-diesel-fuel-from-air-and-water Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
