Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
John Berryman wrote: The PO of my 190D Euro had brake fluid changed by a local garage, they used DOT 3 it ruined the rubber in the entire brake hydraulic system. I had no idea there was a major chemical difference between 34. Are you sure they didn't put DOT 5 silicone in it?
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you suck out all the fluid in the reservoir then refill with new, then go to each wheel and bleed it out till you get new fluid coming out. LT Don wrote: Marshall -- When you say flush do you mean drain the brake system completely (hope that isn't what you mean), or do you mean suck out what one can from the reservoir with a turkey baster and refill? On 1/25/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old brake fluid or DOT 3 fluid more than a year old can cause what's happened to you. Current approved fluids are DOT-4 rated. I use Valvoline synthetic (NOT silicone) that exceeds both DOT 3 4 ratings. There are other DOT 4 fluids available, but most of them cost more than the Valvoline and their specs are no better. Some of the colored ones can make flushing marginally easier. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
The fluid is DOT-3, almost exactly one year old. Perhaps I'll switch it out on next days off with DOT-4. Do I have to be super diligent and get all traces of DOT-3 out before DOT-4 goes in? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes Bob Rentfro wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Old brake fluid or DOT 3 fluid more than a year old can cause what's happened to you. Current approved fluids are DOT-4 rated. I use Valvoline synthetic (NOT silicone) that exceeds both DOT 3 4 ratings. There are other DOT 4 fluids available, but most of them cost more than the Valvoline and their specs are no better. Some of the colored ones can make flushing marginally easier. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Bob Rentfro wrote: The fluid is DOT-3, almost exactly one year old. Perhaps I'll switch it out on next days off with DOT-4. Do I have to be super diligent and get all traces of DOT-3 out before DOT-4 goes in? DOT 3 4 can be mixed, but the resultant will have properties somewhere in between. Their characteristics are similar EXCEPT that DOT 3 boils at a much lower temp and is more hygroscopic. Mercedes approved DOT 3 in all it's cars until the mid/late '80s when they changed to DOT 4 (maybe when ABS became common). You can use DOT 3 if you flush it more often (at least yearly). Dot 4 fluid is usually good for 2-3 years (except under severe conditions). Present approval lists call for DOT 4+ fluid. There should be NOTHING in the brake system (providing all the parts are Mercedes approved) that DOT 3 fluid should cause to break down as long as it is changed before it sequesters too much water. If the fluid (DOT 3 or DOT 4) is changed in a timely manner, the master cylinder and calipers will usually last MUCH longer that if the fluid is NOT changed according to Mercedes' recommendations. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 07:10 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: I had no idea there was a major chemical difference between 34. Are you sure they didn't put DOT 5 silicone in it? Yes I'm sure. The guy had the remains of the quart on his garage shelf. His mechanic gave it to him for topping off. It was Gold Seal brand DOT 3. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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DOT 3 and 4 fluids are compatible, they just have different boiling points. No need to drain flush with alcohol or anything like that. Just siphon the reservoir, fill with fresh DOT 4, and pressure bleed (if possible) all 4 wheels. That's it. DOT 5 (silicone) fluid is the nasty stuff that can cause problems... it's not hygroscopic (doesn't absorb water) and you can end up with rust or other problems due to that. Regular fluid absorbs water, which is good - but it's also why the fluid must be replaced every year or two! Some exotic race fluids have been reported to damage seals or other rubber bits, btw... but normal DOT 3/4 should never do that. :) -dm -- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:43:31 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes The fluid is DOT-3, almost exactly one year old. Perhaps I'll switch it out on next days off with DOT-4. Do I have to be super diligent and get all traces of DOT-3 out before DOT-4 goes in? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K
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Forgot to mention that the factory specifies the interval to change your brake fluid. It is supposed to be at least each year, but I know few who do that. However is DOES need to be done. You want good brakes and good, sticky tires. We could tell the drivers with DOT 3 fluid or old fluid on the track because the fluid boiled and they lost braking ability (fade). We would pull them off the track and send them off to get their fluid changed before we'd allow them back on the track. the best policy is to never allow DOT 3 fluid near anything. Dot 4 fluid can be used in place of DOT3, and it is better. I used to put the Castrol GT in everything. At 10:59 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:43 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Call Rusty at (800) 741-5252 and buy what he sells (most likely ATE). Craig
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Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren
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Yep, Brake fade. From _40_ MPH? One stop? Could it be that your brakes piddled a little fluid onto the rotors instead? -- Jim
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Might want to take a look at your brake lines. sometimes older rubber brake lines after a HARD brake application ,can partially break down internally and start swelling on subsequent braking. usually there will be a bubbled out spot, or a soft spot in the rubber hose. ---Robert Bob Rentfro wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 11:21:12PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: Yep, Brake fade. From _40_ MPH? One stop? Could it be that your brakes piddled a little fluid onto the rotors instead? That's my guess, having done a panic stop in the same vehicle (but one year newer) yesterday. Leaky caliper bore perhaps? My DRUM braked cars didn't fade trying to panic stop from 40. 55 was an entirely different story... K
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Loren Faeth wrote: 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. Last I knew you could still get it from Meijer supermarkets in the midwest, I haven't looked to see if Walmart has it. It's decent DOT4 fluid, I quit buying it because I have a general boycott of products that say Castrol on the bottle since they started the whole business of selling hydrotreated oil as full synthetic. There are lots of ways to go, I buy Valvoline synthetic because it's cheap, and alternate it with ATE Superblue from Rusty because Superblue doesn't look like last year's Valvoline and I easily can tell when my change/flush is complete.
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At 07:46 AM 1/25/2006, Mitch Haley wrote re. DOT 4 brake fluid: There are lots of ways to go, I buy Valvoline synthetic because it's cheap, and alternate it with ATE Superblue from Rusty because Superblue doesn't look like last year's Valvoline and I easily can tell when my change/flush is complete. I used to use Castrol GT but started using the Valvoline synthetic because Marshall said good things about it. I now have it in most of my vehicles and in two situations it has solved long term sticky caliper problems. First in an 87 Polaris fourwheeler that has one brake only, the caliper of which was sticking despite efforts taking it apart and shinning things up with crocus cloth. Same thing on the front calipers of an 87 Ford 700. Good stuff. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV I'm nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - Too?
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Hi all, I hate to pick nits, but I wanted to clarify something. IMO, brake fade refers specifically to overheated brakes - usually exceeding the temperature rating of the pad compound, resulting in a lack of friction, and therefore stopping power. This can also include rotors that are too small to dissipate the heat generated - that's why high-performance cars have huge brake rotors. This excess heat can cause the brake fluid to boil, and when that happens, you get a spongy pedal, etc and the fluid should be replaced pronto (it doesn't go back to normal when it cools). So while brake fade can cause the fluid to boil, the fluid doesn't fail and *cause* brake fade - but the symptoms could be easily confused. Definitely check the hoses, pads, rotors, and replace the fluid if over 2 years old. Normally all of this is related to REPEATED hard brake use - think racetrack or autocross, where every 10-30 seconds you're standing on the brakes from fairly high speeds. The best brake fluid in the world won't do any good if the brakes are too small, or you have a street pad compound that fades at low temps. What was originally described *could* have been fade, but sure shouldn't be after one hard stop from 40-0!! It could have glazed the pads/rotors or something perhaps. But it definitely would not affect the brake fluid unless the reservoir was accidentally filled with Zerex G-05 or something, lol. About pads... most OE/OEM pads are designed for light pedal effort and low noise. Pads that claim to be low-dust may require more pedal effort and/or be noisier. Race pads that can withstand really high temps (much more fade resistant) are usually high-effort, noisy, and dirty - or REALLY expensive! I have Porterfield R4-S carbon-Kevlar pads, which have great feel, are quiet, last a long time, and are fairly low dust but most people would choke at the cost (at least double what most OEM pads cost). I'm a big fan of the R4-S pads, btw... they're available for most Mercedes. So far most people who have tried them love them. Cheapest to buy direct from the mfr... www.porterfield-brakes.com. Fluid: I did a ton of research on this in the past, to find what fluids have the highest boil points. The summary is, the best stuff at the best price that's available everywhere is Valvoline SynPower brake fluid, about $6/quart at any FLAPS. The next step up for the picky folks is ATE Super Blue or ATE Type200 Gold (same stuff, different color dye), but it costs twice as much ($10-$12 per quart). Beyond that, Motul 600 has even higher boil points, but the cost doubles again - $20-$25 per quart. Those are the three top street fluids, IMNSHO. There are more exotic fluids out there, but in general they need frequent replacement (think weeks or months, not years) and the cost gets just stupid. Those are strictly for racetrack use, if the ATE or Motul fluids are boiling (!!!) and the pads/rotors are still within their rated temp range. Sorry for the long rant... now back to your daily moose and Mobil-1. :-) Dave M. Boise, ID (Valvoline or ATE brake fluids in all my vehicles) -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:40:08 -0800 From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren
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Good points and good info, Dave! Thanks! At 11:13 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote: Hi all, I hate to pick nits, but I wanted to clarify something. IMO, brake fade refers specifically to overheated brakes - usually exceeding the temperature rating of the pad compound, resulting in a lack of friction, and therefore stopping power. This can also include rotors that are too small to dissipate the heat generated - that's why high-performance cars have huge brake rotors. This excess heat can cause the brake fluid to boil, and when that happens, you get a spongy pedal, etc and the fluid should be replaced pronto (it doesn't go back to normal when it cools). So while brake fade can cause the fluid to boil, the fluid doesn't fail and *cause* brake fade - but the symptoms could be easily confused. Definitely check the hoses, pads, rotors, and replace the fluid if over 2 years old. Normally all of this is related to REPEATED hard brake use - think racetrack or autocross, where every 10-30 seconds you're standing on the brakes from fairly high speeds. The best brake fluid in the world won't do any good if the brakes are too small, or you have a street pad compound that fades at low temps. What was originally described *could* have been fade, but sure shouldn't be after one hard stop from 40-0!! It could have glazed the pads/rotors or something perhaps. But it definitely would not affect the brake fluid unless the reservoir was accidentally filled with Zerex G-05 or something, lol. About pads... most OE/OEM pads are designed for light pedal effort and low noise. Pads that claim to be low-dust may require more pedal effort and/or be noisier. Race pads that can withstand really high temps (much more fade resistant) are usually high-effort, noisy, and dirty - or REALLY expensive! I have Porterfield R4-S carbon-Kevlar pads, which have great feel, are quiet, last a long time, and are fairly low dust but most people would choke at the cost (at least double what most OEM pads cost). I'm a big fan of the R4-S pads, btw... they're available for most Mercedes. So far most people who have tried them love them. Cheapest to buy direct from the mfr... www.porterfield-brakes.com. Fluid: I did a ton of research on this in the past, to find what fluids have the highest boil points. The summary is, the best stuff at the best price that's available everywhere is Valvoline SynPower brake fluid, about $6/quart at any FLAPS. The next step up for the picky folks is ATE Super Blue or ATE Type200 Gold (same stuff, different color dye), but it costs twice as much ($10-$12 per quart). Beyond that, Motul 600 has even higher boil points, but the cost doubles again - $20-$25 per quart. Those are the three top street fluids, IMNSHO. There are more exotic fluids out there, but in general they need frequent replacement (think weeks or months, not years) and the cost gets just stupid. Those are strictly for racetrack use, if the ATE or Motul fluids are boiling (!!!) and the pads/rotors are still within their rated temp range. Sorry for the long rant... now back to your daily moose and Mobil-1. :-) Dave M. Boise, ID (Valvoline or ATE brake fluids in all my vehicles) -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:40:08 -0800 From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Thanks for the info. On 1/25/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look for Valvoline SynPower fluid, which is a DOT 4+ fluid. Should be at almost all chain part stores - think AutoZone, Kragen/Shucks/Checker, NAPA, etc... BTW - nice VeeDub you have there! Wouldn't mind replacing my Dasher with one of those! :) +dm -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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ETY parts has the VW dot4 brake fluid ( I have a bottle of this stuff, I think it's made by pentosin ) http://www.etyproducts.com/quantity%20discounts.html They have decent price on Diesel Purge as well. The ATE super blue/amber are great fluids and make it easy to tel when you are changing out brake fluid ---Robert LT Don wrote: I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 12:46 PM, LT Don wrote: I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? Valvoline Synthetic is fine. It exceeds DOT 34, available all over. I recently bought some at Advance Auto Parts Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Bob Rentfro wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Old brake fluid or DOT 3 fluid more than a year old can cause what's happened to you. Current approved fluids are DOT-4 rated. I use Valvoline synthetic (NOT silicone) that exceeds both DOT 3 4 ratings. There are other DOT 4 fluids available, but most of them cost more than the Valvoline and their specs are no better. Some of the colored ones can make flushing marginally easier. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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Marshall -- When you say flush do you mean drain the brake system completely (hope that isn't what you mean), or do you mean suck out what one can from the reservoir with a turkey baster and refill? On 1/25/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old brake fluid or DOT 3 fluid more than a year old can cause what's happened to you. Current approved fluids are DOT-4 rated. I use Valvoline synthetic (NOT silicone) that exceeds both DOT 3 4 ratings. There are other DOT 4 fluids available, but most of them cost more than the Valvoline and their specs are no better. Some of the colored ones can make flushing marginally easier. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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LT Don wrote: Marshall -- When you say flush do you mean drain the brake system completely (hope that isn't what you mean), or do you mean suck out what one can from the reservoir with a turkey baster and refill? If you remove the content (with turkey baster or Topsider) of the reservoir and replace with fresh fluid and then bleed out about 80 ml from each caliper (replenish if you don't have a pressure bleeder that does that automatically), you've pretty well flushed the system. A complete hydraulic system with a manual clutch contains 0.5 liters for a 123 and 0.35 liters for a 201/124. For an automatic it would be 15-25% less I GUESS. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 04:39 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Old brake fluid or DOT 3 fluid more than a year old can cause what's happened to you. The PO of my 190D Euro had brake fluid changed by a local garage, they used DOT 3 it ruined the rubber in the entire brake hydraulic system. I didn't test the hoses but replaced them 2 of the calipers had some fluid in the outer bellows and another was dripping real good. The reservoir cap seal had melted into the threads of the reservoir which had black gooey fluid. I've seen this with other people's cars and a bunch of Brit stuff over the years but never had the pleasure of having this problem on one of my own cars until recently. Its real important that approved fluid is used. DOT 3 Kills in a MB. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
