Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
What was it that caused Craig to have surgery on his neck? Randy On 1/9/2022 9:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for years but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to stand back upright. Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some narrowing in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred to spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore hurting neck. This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
She's a massage therapist which doesn't help. She's on her feet all day. To make it worse she's all frustrated that she can't "fix herself" which is crazy because she always says "I can't fix you"... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: What does she do Curt? Randy On 10/01/2022 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making >any money > > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
What does she do Curt? Randy On 10/01/2022 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making any money -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
That’s what contingency funds are for. When we were young we scraped to save the recommended six months of income. Fortunately, we never had to tap it, but just having it made decision making over things like this a lot less stressful. -D -D > On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> >> Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. > > My brother broke his heel a few years ago. The docs said that he had to stay > off of it for something > like 90 days. Same story: "I can't afford to do that..." > > So now he's on permanent disability. It never healed correctly and he > re-broke it a time or two during recovery. > Can't stand for very long, and in continuous pain. He talks about just > having it cut off sometimes. > > Dumbass! > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
> Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. My brother broke his heel a few years ago. The docs said that he had to stay off of it for something like 90 days. Same story: "I can't afford to do that..." So now he's on permanent disability. It never healed correctly and he re-broke it a time or two during recovery. Can't stand for very long, and in continuous pain. He talks about just having it cut off sometimes. Dumbass! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
That sounds familiar. Spousal unit wanted to come out to Flagstaff to see if an extended stay would help her arthritis due to previous experiences/stays. Three-four days in she’s doing great, then she decides rather that turn up the thermostat she’s going to haul a load of wood in for the wood stove. And of course the result was a day or two of recovery. Duh! I had a very stern talking-to with her about it, so that’s that, but it’s much the same. “I know I shouldn’t/should do something to recover, but this is more important so I’ll do it and just recover on the backside.” Nope. Not how it works. -D > On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > As we age that healing takes longer and longer.Angie over-did it at the gym > back in November and her sciatic nerve either got pinched or rubbed on. It's > been 2 months of discomfort and pain. > Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. She'll > take a day off, feel a little better and then try to do a full day's work. I > get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making any > money but she's getting to where she needs 2 days off to put in one day so > she'll take one day off and work a half day... > We had kind of a blowout about it this morning, she's getting worried about > money but can't break out of her cycle. I told her that if she wants to get > serious about letting herself heal I'll help her with the money but if she > wants to persist with her current tactic she might as well just close the > business. I'm not going to pay for her to follow a road we know leads to > failure. > It's tough love but sometimes she needs these ultimatums to get her to do > what she already knows she needs to do. > > -Curt > >>On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:52:12 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable. > > > It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre > injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a > long slow process. > > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
As we age that healing takes longer and longer.Angie over-did it at the gym back in November and her sciatic nerve either got pinched or rubbed on. It's been 2 months of discomfort and pain. Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. She'll take a day off, feel a little better and then try to do a full day's work. I get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making any money but she's getting to where she needs 2 days off to put in one day so she'll take one day off and work a half day... We had kind of a blowout about it this morning, she's getting worried about money but can't break out of her cycle. I told her that if she wants to get serious about letting herself heal I'll help her with the money but if she wants to persist with her current tactic she might as well just close the business. I'm not going to pay for her to follow a road we know leads to failure. It's tough love but sometimes she needs these ultimatums to get her to do what she already knows she needs to do. -Curt On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:52:12 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable. It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a long slow process. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
> The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable. It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a long slow process. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
Shoulders benefit from active therapy - even after rotator cuff surgery (which I had on each shoulder 11 years apart). The pain is quite powerful but the results are worth it. I've experienced no discomfort in either shoulder since completing surgery and followup PT. On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I strained my rotator cuff a couple years ago. Mentioned it to my > chiropractor, he said "Oh yeah, I can help with that." I'll be danged but > he was right. He made an adjustment and gave me a stretch for it and about > 2 weeks later it was back to normal.He said that many rotator cuff tears > were the result of people ignoring a strain, the muscle woudl weaken and > then tear later. > The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable. > -Curt > > On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:18:49 AM EST, dan penoff.com via > Mercedes wrote: > > Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK. > > I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an > inflammation of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and > round of oral steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six > months or so I’ve regained mobility that I had lost. > > -D > > > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Already did that, did not help. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume > they would have referred you if it could. > >> > >> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last > two years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as > good as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it > seemed to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise. > >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for > years > >>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it > >>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head > very > >>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car > on > >>> lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't > tilt > >>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit > >>> and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on > >>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able > to > >>> stand back upright. > >>> > >>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I > >>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected > >>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some > narrowing > >>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some > pinched > >>> nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred > to > >>> spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need > >>> surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed > >>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be > >>> part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on > >>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms > become > >>> worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore > >>> hurting neck. > >>> > >>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a > >>> chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
I strained my rotator cuff a couple years ago. Mentioned it to my chiropractor, he said "Oh yeah, I can help with that." I'll be danged but he was right. He made an adjustment and gave me a stretch for it and about 2 weeks later it was back to normal.He said that many rotator cuff tears were the result of people ignoring a strain, the muscle woudl weaken and then tear later. The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable. -Curt On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:18:49 AM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK. I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an inflammation of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and round of oral steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six months or so I’ve regained mobility that I had lost. -D > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Already did that, did not help. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they >> would have referred you if it could. >> >> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two >> years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good >> as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed >> to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise. >> >> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for years >>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it >>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very >>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on >>> lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt >>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit >>> and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on >>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to >>> stand back upright. >>> >>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I >>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected >>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some narrowing >>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched >>> nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred to >>> spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need >>> surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed >>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be >>> part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on >>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become >>> worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore >>> hurting neck. >>> >>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a >>> chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK. I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an inflammation of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and round of oral steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six months or so I’ve regained mobility that I had lost. -D > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Already did that, did not help. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they >> would have referred you if it could. >> >> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two >> years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good >> as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed >> to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise. >> >> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for years >>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it >>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very >>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on >>> lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt >>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit >>> and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on >>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to >>> stand back upright. >>> >>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I >>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected >>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some narrowing >>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched >>> nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred to >>> spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need >>> surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed >>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be >>> part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on >>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become >>> worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore >>> hurting neck. >>> >>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a >>> chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
Already did that, did not help. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they > would have referred you if it could. > > I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two > years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good > as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed to > get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise. > > >> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for years >> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it >> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very >> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on >> lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt >> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit >> and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on >> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to >> stand back upright. >> >> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I >> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected >> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some narrowing >> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched >> nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred to >> spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need >> surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed >> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be >> part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on >> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become >> worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore >> hurting neck. >> >> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a >> chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor
Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they would have referred you if it could. I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise. On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called. Been going on for years > but I have very limited range of motion on my neck. Can not turn it > very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very > far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on > lift. Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt > head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing. If I sit > and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a car working on > something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to > stand back upright. > > Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays. I have arthritis and I > guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected > vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd. Have some narrowing > in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched > nerves. This was discovered after I had a MRI. I was then referred to > spinal expert. At first glance he says it appears I am going to need > surgery. I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed > except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be > part of this. Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on > warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become > worse. In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore > hurting neck. > > This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a > chiropractor could help with? Never been to one or know much about it. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
