Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion at least. The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to contribute to a civil and productive society.. All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions and to rebuke bad actions.. The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which required loyalty to your workers], and many others.. I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost of blood and treasure.. Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of society worldwide, as I see it. Grant... On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion at least. The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to contribute to a civil and productive society.. All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions and to rebuke bad actions.. The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which required loyalty to your workers], and many others.. I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost of blood and treasure.. Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of society worldwide, as I see it. Grant... On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
What he said. There are some things we have done our best to ingrain into both of our boys: You and only you are responsible for yourself, your actions, and how people perceive you. If you are honest, work hard, and treat others with respect no matter how you are treated, you will succeed. Success is measured by you and only you based on your personal goals and values. Personal integrity is the only thing you can really control, but it must be earned through your actions. No one can take it away from you, but you are the only one who can give it value. No matter how difficult life becomes, there is one thing you will always have - family. It is incumbent on you to care for, trust, respect and protect your family. They are the foundation on which you as a person and your personality are built on, and how you conduct yourself reflects directly back on every member. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, whenever our boys challenged or questioned our values relative to others or society in general, we always told them that it is because we have high(er) standards. We backed that up through our actions and examples. Now that both are adults they have told us how much they appreciate the way we raised them. They still deal with the trials and tribulations of young adults, but they need those experiences to build their own characters - there are some things you can’t teach or set examples for. You have to lead by example…. Dan On Nov 29, 2014, at 12:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion at least. The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to contribute to a civil and productive society.. All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions and to rebuke bad actions.. The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which required loyalty to your workers], and many others.. I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost of blood and treasure.. Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of society worldwide, as I see it. Grant... On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
As long as we support a society that rewards failure (meant in the broad sense) and punishes success (also in a broad sense) expect more of the same. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:31 PM To: Mountain Man; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion at least. The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to contribute to a civil and productive society.. All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions and to rebuke bad actions.. The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which required loyalty to your workers], and many others.. I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost of blood and treasure.. Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of society worldwide, as I see it. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Big ATTABOY to you, SHMBO, and the children. Despite the bad examples we see in public display, both in private and government. the core of civilized people is still strong.. the values which cause good social and business interaction are not lost.. just injured If this were a combat situation I would put society in general, world wide,on the walking wounded list.. It is reflected in the cars that are built.. the machinery produced, the work ethic displayed by the checkout stand... and noted by those of us who know and still subscribe to the values of a working and functioning civilized society. In final distillation, it is in large part why we drive now ancient Mercedes that were built under that make it right or not at all ethic... and appreciate them still... Grant... On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What he said. There are some things we have done our best to ingrain into both of our boys: You and only you are responsible for yourself, your actions, and how people perceive you. If you are honest, work hard, and treat others with respect no matter how you are treated, you will succeed. Success is measured by you and only you based on your personal goals and values. Personal integrity is the only thing you can really control, but it must be earned through your actions. No one can take it away from you, but you are the only one who can give it value. No matter how difficult life becomes, there is one thing you will always have - family. It is incumbent on you to care for, trust, respect and protect your family. They are the foundation on which you as a person and your personality are built on, and how you conduct yourself reflects directly back on every member. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, whenever our boys challenged or questioned our values relative to others or society in general, we always told them that it is because we have high(er) standards. We backed that up through our actions and examples. Now that both are adults they have told us how much they appreciate the way we raised them. They still deal with the trials and tribulations of young adults, but they need those experiences to build their own characters - there are some things you can’t teach or set examples for. You have to lead by example…. Dan On Nov 29, 2014, at 12:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion at least. The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to contribute to a civil and productive society.. All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions and to rebuke bad actions.. The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which required loyalty to your workers], and many others.. I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost of blood and treasure.. Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of society worldwide, as I see it. Grant... On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
I believe this as well. Despite all the naysayers, I really believe that most people are generally ethical and act appropriately when challenged. Dan On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:14 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Big ATTABOY to you, SHMBO, and the children. Despite the bad examples we see in public display, both in private and government. the core of civilized people is still strong.. the values which cause good social and business interaction are not lost.. just injured If this were a combat situation I would put society in general, world wide,on the walking wounded list.. It is reflected in the cars that are built.. the machinery produced, the work ethic displayed by the checkout stand... and noted by those of us who know and still subscribe to the values of a working and functioning civilized society. In final distillation, it is in large part why we drive now ancient Mercedes that were built under that make it right or not at all ethic... and appreciate them still... Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
In that regard, the feedback system on ebay, Angieslist and other consumer sites is a great motivator of decent human behavior. My faith has always been rewarded by those who have good reviews, although for all that I know they are or were scoundrels at heart On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe this as well. Despite all the naysayers, I really believe that most people are generally ethical and act appropriately when challenged. Dan On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:14 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Big ATTABOY to you, SHMBO, and the children. Despite the bad examples we see in public display, both in private and government. the core of civilized people is still strong.. the values which cause good social and business interaction are not lost.. just injured If this were a combat situation I would put society in general, world wide,on the walking wounded list.. It is reflected in the cars that are built.. the machinery produced, the work ethic displayed by the checkout stand... and noted by those of us who know and still subscribe to the values of a working and functioning civilized society. In final distillation, it is in large part why we drive now ancient Mercedes that were built under that make it right or not at all ethic... and appreciate them still... Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Dan wrote: Success is measured by you and only you based on your personal goals and values. I think this is a concept that needs to be in flux. Examples of how this is being implemented around us are primary examples of the fundamental failure. Self is not the *all important.* While social values are not the *all important* either, there needs to be greater spread across the borders of self and social. We are community, *co* meaning with or together has a dynamic place. With self in the primary seat, we generate failure. Be careful. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Yep, I thought of Vinnie immediately - a goodun - youtts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:58 PM To: Dimitri Seretakis; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D I love to shame them by evacuating my perch for someone who may very well be younger than I... Of course, that assumes they have a sense of shame... Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. I'd get into the reasons why, but that involves religion and politics, and I'm not going there. Rick For a definition of yoots see My Cousin Vinnie. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Don't go there. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, I thought of Vinnie immediately - a goodun - youtts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:58 PM To: Dimitri Seretakis; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D I love to shame them by evacuating my perch for someone who may very well be younger than I... Of course, that assumes they have a sense of shame... Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. I'd get into the reasons why, but that involves religion and politics, and I'm not going there. Rick For a definition of yoots see My Cousin Vinnie. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
That was for Rick, not Wilton, who can go anywhere he darn well pleases., and no one will be offended. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Don't go there. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yep, I thought of Vinnie immediately - a goodun - youtts. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 1:58 PM To: Dimitri Seretakis; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dwight and Curt's former 240D I love to shame them by evacuating my perch for someone who may very well be younger than I... Of course, that assumes they have a sense of shame... Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. I'd get into the reasons why, but that involves religion and politics, and I'm not going there. Rick For a definition of yoots see My Cousin Vinnie. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Yoots was Re: Dwight and Curt's former 240D
I believe that it is a problem that every generation has had to deal with. It's the nature of the beast - some of us are defective, and it will always be so. Which ones are defective is subject to individual interpretation however . . . On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick wrote: Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of shame... and THAT is a problem for our future. Let's be realistic. It ain't our future - it is their future. Our future is gone - let it be. I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things responsibly in the first place. Their future is all our fault. mao -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
